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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2014.04.21 10:55:00 -
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Now that CCP has made it clear that grinding personal or corporate standings for a specific empire faction is no longer needed for setting up POS in 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 systems I propose the following to CCP:
Remove personal or corporate 8.0+ standing at a station to install jump clones, let everybody not be burdened by this grinding
It should be CCPgames policy to not allow lore (the history of the game) to influence the open world pvp gameplay negatively for new players and current capsuleers that want it easier.
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Paikis
Sky Fighters
Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.21 11:08:00 -
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I don't think this is a good idea. There are already many ways to get your jump clones without grinding any standings. Use one of those methods. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1376
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Posted - 2014.04.21 11:14:00 -
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if they made it more of a player corp service then definitely.
but i think i remember reading somewhere its intended as a tool for null sec, rather than empire. if thats wrong, or if things have changed, then dnt see why they cant make it part of player corps in empire as well.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
180
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Posted - 2014.04.21 11:17:00 -
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Please tell me, what are the many ways to get your jump clones in hisec without grinding any standings in 0.5-1.0 systems ?
Even using someone else's his/her corporation to piggyback on that corporation's standing to install jump clones, takes:
A) Time, you need to leave your current corp, join the corp with standings and leave again in time.
B) Effort, you can be awoxed by your other temporary corp mates and the corp in question can be war-decked
PS: I love Estel Arador Corp Services for my pvp alts
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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cabrilliant
Silicon Heaven
0
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Posted - 2014.04.21 11:51:00 -
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How about we just get rid of jumpclones entirely? and no more setting medical clones to other stations either..
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Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2014.04.21 11:57:00 -
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Only if players who bothered to grind those standings are somehow reimbursed.
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:24:00 -
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Any reimbursement by CCP is not feasible, what do you want to reimburse for your effort, time with plex or few skillpoints in Social ?
The game mechanic of the last 10 years gave players the opportunity to use jump clones in hisec, but now that CCP has entired a new course for the next decade of eve, they have to look towards giving new players and current players that don't like the grind in eve a less difficult gameplay.
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1376
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:34:00 -
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Lilliana Stelles wrote:Only if players who bothered to grind those standings are somehow reimbursed.
well no, those standings would still be useful.
grinding for sec status was altered. didnt mean players that grinded their sec status were reimbursed.
grinding for POS standings is on its way out, no one will be reimbursed
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
574
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:45:00 -
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I'd like to see the requirement for jump clone installation linked to "mini epic arcs" for each corp. Players would have to complete a series of 5-10 difficult missions and would get "clone rights" with that corp as a reward.
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:51:00 -
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CCP will find it much more cost effective to delete the code for the grinding of faction standing, then to create even more new game features for just jump clones.
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1376
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Posted - 2014.04.21 12:53:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:I'd like to see the requirement for jump clone installation linked to "mini epic arcs" for each corp. Players would have to complete a series of 5-10 difficult missions and would get "clone rights" with that corp as a reward.
still tedious.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2087
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:22:00 -
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Players who aren't in empire don't even need 8.0 standings. Players with Rorquals or friends who have Rorquals don't need 8.0 standings either. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
407
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:23:00 -
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No. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:27:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:I'd like to see the requirement for jump clone installation linked to "mini epic arcs" for each corp. Players would have to complete a series of 5-10 difficult missions and would get "clone rights" with that corp as a reward.
Why? It's a sandbox, so why try to force people play content they possibly have no interest in playing to gain access to one of the central clone related features in the game? I could see it, if it provided some meaningful advantage, but it's just a jump clone after all. On its own it doesn't boost your ability to achieve things in the game in any way. It's an empty shell for you to fit extra implants on, so I don't see much of a reason to create barriers for jump clone access. New players might not have much use for them at the start, but if there are no strong reason to limit access, such limits should be removed or at least mitigated to insignificance. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6337
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:28:00 -
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
180
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:33:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Players who aren't in empire don't even need 8.0 standings. Players with Rorquals or friends who have Rorquals don't need 8.0 standings either.
A Rorqual can not entire 0.5-1.0 system no matter how good your friends are that fly them, and players who are in empire need 8.0+ standing with the station to install a Jump Clone, that is the whole point of this Thread
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Ix Method
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
132
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:37:00 -
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Standings for [stuff] is a horrible mechanic but it seems sensible to replace that system rather than slowly erode it into irrelevance as we're seeing atm.
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:01:00 -
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then what purpose would it serve? this is a bad idea, just another reason why not to do missions.
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Crazy Hooker
Shooting Blues Everyday
7
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:07:00 -
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why do you need jump clones in empire......so you can go from Jita to Amarr in a flash?
idea is worthless like the idea to allow the ability to put a pos without standings. |
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:10:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:then what purpose would it serve? this is a bad idea, just another reason why not to do missions.
But what is CCP's reason to drop faction standing requirement for POS setup in 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 systems then ?
If not to make the gameplay for new players or current players who don't want to invest the time and effort for that
The same CCP philosophy can easily be applied to installing Jump Clones in hisec.
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Stein Backstabber
The Forgotten Wanderers
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:17:00 -
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You only need one corp, ever. Really. I've got JCs dotted about the place and in only one do I have standings. Sure standings would be more convenient but...you know, it's not a huge deal. |
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
182
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:21:00 -
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Crazy Hooker wrote:why do you need jump clones in empire......so you can go from Jita to Amarr in a flash?
idea is worthless like the idea to allow the ability to put a pos without standings.
With the new industry changes CCP will come up, you will see that placing Jump Clones in empire (especially near losec gates) will be very usefull.
If you still want a nice profit margin by producing ships and items in hisec and losec empire (other then Null sec) you want to seek out systems that will not be busy and cost you an extra 14% in production costs.
With the latest addition of new cloning skills from CCP; Advanced Infomorph Psychology and Infomorph Synchronizing jumping around in empire (0.1-1.0) can be done in a flash.
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
182
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:27:00 -
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Stein Backstabber, how long did it take you to get 8.0+ standings with the npc corp to allow you to install Jump Clones ?
I see you only have 2 members in your corporation, this means the average standing for that one npc corp is done relatively "convenient".
CCP could make it so "convenient" that anyone can install Jump Clones in all of empire all the time without any difficulty
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
382
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Posted - 2014.04.21 15:15:00 -
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If you want easy access to jump clones join a null sec corp that has access to an outpost. Problem solved. Don't expect everything to be easy in hisec. Something about risk and reward. |
Paikis
Sky Fighters
Sky Syndicate
1163
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Posted - 2014.04.21 15:35:00 -
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Freelancer117 wrote:Please tell me, what are the many ways to get your jump clones in hisec without grinding any standings in 0.5-1.0 systems ?
Why do you think you're entitled to jump clones without putting ANY work in? You want some clones? Here's how to get them without grinding any standings yourself:
1. Join Estel Arador's Corp.
2. Join a corp with access to a nullsec outpost
3. Find a friend with (or someone willing to sell you the use of) a Rorqual/Mothership/Titan.
4. Pay someone to grind the standings for you. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1377
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Posted - 2014.04.21 15:57:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:then what purpose would it serve? this is a bad idea, just another reason why not to do missions.
why do players have to do missions? is there a reason having JC's should be inherently harder/more annoying for traders, PvP'ers, Miners and Explorers?
If the jumpclone standings mechanic is moved to another mechanic that requires work, time, isk etc etc, like say building and/or buying the clone bay and installing it in something. then thats fine. Entitlement has little to do with this idea.
what is a huge tedious bore is telling all ur noobs that the moment they join they have to grind standings to 8.0 so that ur corp can use JC's, even if they are miners with no skills, u tell them to sit in station and fleet up with other mission runners. Whats an annoying circumvention of the mechanic is telling ur noobs that they have to join other ppls corps for a second to get JC's and then come back to the corp they really want to be in.
OR, we could just swap the mechanic for something with more focus on players, that still requires work and time, rather than NPC buttkissing.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
151
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Posted - 2014.04.21 16:33:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Liafcipe9000 wrote:then what purpose would it serve? this is a bad idea, just another reason why not to do missions. why do players have to do missions? is there a reason having JC's should be inherently harder/more annoying for traders, PvP'ers, Miners and Explorers? If the jumpclone standings mechanic is moved to another mechanic that requires work, time, isk etc etc, like say building and/or buying the clone bay and installing it in something. then thats fine. Entitlement has little to do with this idea. what is a huge tedious bore is telling all ur noobs that the moment they join they have to grind standings to 8.0 so that ur corp can use JC's, even if they are miners with no skills, u tell them to sit in station and fleet up with other mission runners. Whats an annoying circumvention of the mechanic is telling ur noobs that they have to join other ppls corps for a second to get JC's and then come back to the corp they really want to be in. OR, we could just swap the mechanic for something with more focus on players, that still requires work and time, rather than NPC buttkissing.
Until a reasonable alternative is suggested it should stay as is. The general rule is that things should be accessible by the three primary currencies in Eve(Isk/Effort/Friends). Clones can be gotten by any of the three. |
Chaotix Morwen
Ugly Duckling Inc
8
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Posted - 2014.04.21 17:18:00 -
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It is quite easy to get your personal standings to an npc corp to 8+. I managed to get ammatar fleet up to 9 from 0 in one day easy as (yes i did data missions to get there faster...nothing stopping you from doing so). I dont understand why people have such a big issue with mission grinding, its a nice way to earn special privelages while making isk. So you feel we should get immediate access to everything in game because its bad to grind? Well lucky you, in your world you score a titan within a day...oh and isk has no value...seen as you dont need any form of grind to get it.
At the very least standings+missions gives hisec some different mechanics from nullsec...unlike some people i dont want everything in this game to be all the same. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Ineluctable.
407
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Posted - 2014.04.21 17:21:00 -
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Chaotix Morwen wrote:It is quite easy to get your personal standings to an npc corp to 8+. I managed to get ammatar fleet up to 9 from 0 in one day easy as (yes i did data missions to get there faster...nothing stopping you from doing so). I dont understand why people have such a big issue with mission grinding, its a nice way to earn special privelages while making isk. So you feel we should get immediate access to everything in game because its bad to grind? Well lucky you, in your world you score a titan within a day...oh and isk has no value...seen as you dont need any form of grind to get it.
At the very least standings+missions gives hisec some different mechanics from nullsec...unlike some people i dont want everything in this game to be all the same.
But no, you are doing it wrong! It's evil NPC grind and lots of work for too little gains! You need to have everything easier, faster and readier so that you can start right away with the game you want to lose at. Doing missions to do PVP in different places? How dare CCP stick to that mechanic! You only need to do PVP and get all the tools for PVP ready without any other part or mechanic of EVE involved! Have you got the message now?
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
2474
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Posted - 2014.04.21 17:22:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:if they made it more of a player corp service then definitely.
Adding the Rorqual clone bay onto a POS? Works for me!
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