Only if players who bothered to grind those standings are somehow reimbursed.

I'd like to see the requirement for jump clone installation linked to "mini epic arcs" for each corp. Players would have to complete a series of 5-10 difficult missions and would get "clone rights" with that corp as a reward.

I'd like to see the requirement for jump clone installation linked to "mini epic arcs" for each corp. Players would have to complete a series of 5-10 difficult missions and would get "clone rights" with that corp as a reward.

Players who aren't in empire don't even need 8.0 standings. Players with Rorquals or friends who have Rorquals don't need 8.0 standings either.

then what purpose would it serve? this is a bad idea, just another reason why not to do missions.

why do you need jump clones in empire......so you can go from Jita to Amarr in a flash?

idea is worthless like the idea to allow the ability to put a pos without standings.

Please tell me, what are the many ways to get your jump clones in hisec without grinding any standings in 0.5-1.0 systems ?

then what purpose would it serve? this is a bad idea, just another reason why not to do missions.

why do players have to do missions? is there a reason having JC's should be inherently harder/more annoying for traders, PvP'ers, Miners and Explorers?

If the jumpclone standings mechanic is moved to another mechanic that requires work, time, isk etc etc, like say building and/or buying the clone bay and installing it in something. then thats fine. Entitlement has little to do with this idea.

what is a huge tedious bore is telling all ur noobs that the moment they join they have to grind standings to 8.0 so that ur corp can use JC's, even if they are miners with no skills, u tell them to sit in station and fleet up with other mission runners. Whats an annoying circumvention of the mechanic is telling ur noobs that they have to join other ppls corps for a second to get JC's and then come back to the corp they really want to be in.

OR, we could just swap the mechanic for something with more focus on players, that still requires work and time, rather than NPC buttkissing.

It is quite easy to get your personal standings to an npc corp to 8+. I managed to get ammatar fleet up to 9 from 0 in one day easy as (yes i did data missions to get there faster...nothing stopping you from doing so). I dont understand why people have such a big issue with mission grinding, its a nice way to earn special privelages while making isk. So you feel we should get immediate access to everything in game because its bad to grind? Well lucky you, in your world you score a titan within a day...oh and isk has no value...seen as you dont need any form of grind to get it.

At the very least standings+missions gives hisec some different mechanics from nullsec...unlike some people i dont want everything in this game to be all the same.

if they made it more of a player corp service then definitely.

can either of u tell me why the PvE grind is a good mechanic and should stay?

i dnt give two ***** about 'its not that hard' or 'just join another corp for a day'. u tell me why its not a pants on head mechanic that wouldnt be better replaced by something driven by players.

even a POS module that takes organic matter as fuel per clone would be better.

can either of u tell me why the PvE grind is a good mechanic and should stay?

i dnt give two ***** about 'its not that hard' or 'just join another corp for a day'. u tell me why its not a pants on head mechanic that wouldnt be better replaced by something driven by players.

even a POS module that takes organic matter as fuel per clone would be better.

What about a tag mechanic? You can turn in tags to improve sec or run the datacentre missions for faction standings. Maybe a similar scheme for specific corporation standings. There's no reason for newer players to be priced out of a mechanic like this either, the tags could drop on regular missions.

This just looks like a bit of a rant regarding the removal of standings for POS though rather than a proper suggestion. Going forward they can either gradually remove the relevance of standings or find some new, meaningful rewards to attach to them. I'd prefer the latter really.

Because everything that is playerdriven is going to be abused and exploited. Because clone bays belong to NPC Factions in Empire and if you want to dump your lump of meat in their bays, you do what they want you to do. Because Some grind does not hurt. Because you also see other things from the game than just exploding ships. Because you also realize that it takes effort to gain something.

Shall I continue?

I don't give a damn about what you think; if you don't like it, join 00 sec and you get your JCs with no effort. Actually, having this 8.0 Standing Requirement is a driving force to push players out of High sec. If you take that away, more people stay in high sec and CCP continues with its chaotic plan to introduce changes to push people out of High sec and make them stay in High sec at the same time. That's just dense.

The PVE grind is a good mechanic because it makes players actually put effort into achieving a goal whether it is(was) to put up a POS, get jumpclones or get reduced market taxes. Additionally it gets them a chance to work together towards a common goal for overall corp standings. What advantage would there be in an entirely player run mechanism? At least PVE based mechanisms is something unique to HiSec, maybe not the best system ever, but better than one press instant gratification you seem to be looking for.

Btw whats the point of Rorquals if we start using POS for jumpclones...theyve already lost their compression advantage.

If PVE grinds are such a terrible thing then we should completely remove mission income, NPC bounties and loyalty points...making isk from PVE is a grind too.

Makes it way to easy and if it is cheap it's even easier.

And what meaningful rewards can you couple to standings, if you are not supposed to be in High sec to begin with? (You don't need standings for clones in Low sec as you have Rorqus and Titans.)

So?


I'd like to see docking rights in NPC stations tied to corp standings, sentry guns shoot players they don't like, scalable installation fees & access to station services. Maybe if they really hate you NPC corps might send out NPC bounty hunters to come kill you too. No, I'm not joking. It'd be hilarious.

What advantage would there be in an entirely player run mechanism?

-That no matter what u do as a profession, its not any easier or harder to get JC's
- U dnt have to corp hop to get JC's. ur corp provides for u if they have the equipment
- The service is buildable, destroyable, costs money, resources, takes time
- that NPC's and PvE are not directly involved. as CCP will tell u, the less NPC involvement the better.

why do you need jump clones in empire......so you can go from Jita to Amarr in a flash?

if u want another chance at a rebuttal, why don't u answer my questions from before? Why does a miner/trader/explorer need to grind through the mechanics of another career to get something that is useful to all professions?

im not advocating a Push button->get JC

This goes doubly when u are both saying 'oh its so easy to get a JC' 'i grinded in a day, cause im amazing' so clearly its the current system that is favoring instant gratification types

work together towards a goal? like u did when u grinded for a day to get ur personal standing up. Or maybe ur referring to joining someone elses corp for less than 24 hours to get a JC. great team effort there. Or was it when players join fleet, dock up and let others run missions for them. Roll No, attaching it to a POS or other player system encourages players working together more than a standings grind ever will

As if the saving grace for the rorqual would be its jump clones. seriously.

Now that CCP has made it clear that grinding personal or corporate standings for a specific empire faction is no longer needed for setting up POS in 0.5, 0.6 and 0.7 systems I propose the following to CCP:


Remove personal or corporate 8.0+ standing at a station to install jump clones, let everybody not be burdened by this grinding


It should be CCPgames policy to not allow lore (the history of the game) to influence the open world pvp gameplay negatively for new players and current capsuleers that want it easier.

Why does a miner need to fight npcs that spawn into his belt, why do indies need to get salvage from pvp and exploration? No profession can exist in a bubble, each one interacts with another. Also they do not NEED to do any form of pve, they can simply do it if they want a nice non essential bonus in the game.

How is using a POS clone bay not an instant JC button, in a few months there will be no effort at all in setting up a small POS anywhere in HiSec.

We grinded standings in one day to get a JC for ONE corp, guess what singular corps dont cover all of Eve, standings grinding awards you bit by bit expanding your JC ability but if you want overall coverage its a long bit of work, hardly instant gratification.
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I often run missions with other players who would get absolutely destroyed in lvl 4s, we all share in the standings increase, and in my own corp we work together to get the corps standing up at a decent level. If that isnt teamwork then i know a lot less than i thought. How is one guy in a corp putting up a POS working together more than a mission running fleet?

As stupid as it sounds...its all that ship has, might as well ditch the thing with POS replacing it, thats one thing i cant understand, why did CCP replace it with POS modules just as it looked like it had a chance of use with the compression changes.

I would if its engine is broken (well more of a push) Your saying standing grinding is a broken mechanic, hows isk grinding any different...except for the whole getting isk straight away compared to standings reward after time, ah thats it the only difference is the isk grind has instant gratification.

Yes one corp. U only need the standings of one corp to install unlimited jump clones. And how is 1 guy running level 4's whilst 10ppl sit afk in fleet more work than several chars combining their PI to make a tower, modules and fuel to make their own JC base? see how i twisted things like u have?

. As far as JC's go, you would cut out the middle men who provide valuable jump clone services to players without standing for reasonable prices. Don't squash opportunity in the sand box.

Except for they don't. The same 10 people who sat AFK in station or on a gate will also sit AFK in station or on a gate, while 1 guy does the PI to make their life easier. Sorry to disappoint you, but that's how it works in 98% of the cases.

As far as JC's go, you would cut out the middle men who provide valuable jump clone services to players without standing for reasonable prices. Don't squash opportunity in the sand box.