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Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.16 21:22:00 - [1] The time for you running your mouth with impunity has come to an end. Now it's time for consequence. You didn't think I'd find you? I did. You think I don't have the patience to sit here, watching you cower inside a station all day? I do. The lesson you're about to learn is worth waiting for. You can make this easy on yourself and undock now. Or we can sit here all day. And all night. And all week long. I might even pay some mercs to come do a few shifts, so I can go to sleep every now and then. But in the meantime I have enough X-Instinct to see you through this week. You are not getting out of this one without putting your money where your big mouth is. ____
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.16 21:33:00 - [2] You will excuse me if I take my time to respond as I seem unable to stop laughing... All this just for me? Don't I feel special today. I am not sure what you plan to do outside the station, except wave at me, since we are not at war. I guess you probably do plan to sent a war dec my way at some point. Not that it would help you much. You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble and ISK you know. If you wanted to shoot at me all you had to do was ask for a duel. I'll make it easy on you. I'll post the internal GLS duelling rules for you on our public communications portal here. If you feel you can handle it, challenge me to a duel using standard issue T1 cruisers and I will accept. Sometime within the next 24 hours ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2006.05.16 21:37:00 - [3] Edited by: Kaleigh Doyle on 16/05/2006 21:37:41 Originally by: Nooey The time for you running your mouth with impunity has come to an end. I hope this kettle is prepared to follow his own advice should Shemar stuff some antimatter into that gullet of his...
Alexi Borizkova	Posted - 2006.05.16 21:43:00 - [4] And just when I start thinking that this was going to be yet another quiet, boring day.. This should be fun to watch play out. In Corporate Caldari, taxes pay YOU.
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.16 21:54:00 - [5] I don't need a war. I just need five seconds. But if you're going to puff that chest out and offer a duel, then hell, I'll kill you for free. Let's see those rules, photo boy. ____
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:16:00 - [6] If this doesn't stop, i'll stop it. Website / Forums / [b]O-SYN Is Recruiting[/b
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:24:00 - [7] I have to add one stipulation. The PTO will maintain all the intellectual property rights for live, live broadcast or delayed broadcast viewing of this event. Nooey may use any footage for personal purposes but he may not use it commercialy. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:26:00 - [8] Shut the hell up Shemar. Website / Forums / [b]O-SYN Is Recruiting[/b
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:29:00 - [9] Did you confuse me with Nooey Yuki? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:30:00 - [10] That'd be a definite no. You're far more effete than Nooey is. Website / Forums / [b]O-SYN Is Recruiting[/b
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:32:00 - [11] Nooey erupts into violent laughter, losing an X-Instinct capsule from his mouth. ____
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Yuki Li That'd be a definite no. You're far more effete than Nooey is. Sorry, can't be bothered to look that up. It's not like anything you say matters to me anyway. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:38:00 - [13] No, because you're flat ignorant. Website / Forums / Recruiting
Kale Ryoko	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:44:00 - [14] Kale fails to suppress a smirk as he observes... I don't believe what I'm hearing. Shem's actually going to fight you, Nooey? Well this was unexpected... See you in space. -Kale
Aran Cole	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Yuki Li That'd be a definite no. You're far more effete than Nooey is. Sorry, can't be bothered to look that up. It's not like anything you say matters to me anyway. * Marked by self-indulgence, triviality, or decadence: an effete group of self-professed intellectuals. * Overrefined; effeminate. * No longer productive; infertile. Take your pick... they all seem to apply. <smirks> _______________________
Bruno Bonner	Posted - 2006.05.16 22:53:00 - [16] Originally by: Shemar I have to add one stipulation. The PTO will maintain all the intellectual property rights for live, live broadcast or delayed broadcast viewing of this event. Nooey may use any footage for personal purposes but he may not use it commercialy. Oh marvelous idea, i was afraid that i couldn't attend the event. Can i order a copy of the holoreel in high definition?. Got a few students in our institution that would love to see dueling tactics and analize the datafeed. Good luck to both participants, but if someone's taking bets i'll put 10mill isk for shemar regards Bruno ------ aka BinderAJ
Steiner	Posted - 2006.05.17 00:31:00 - [17] Hell, I hate his big mouth too, 10m on Nooey! ---
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.17 01:05:00 - [18] I don't know what I missed that started all this, but damn it's funny. Where and when? I want to watch.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 01:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Aran Cole Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Yuki Li That'd be a definite no. You're far more effete than Nooey is. Sorry, can't be bothered to look that up. It's not like anything you say matters to me anyway. * Marked by self-indulgence, triviality, or decadence: an effete group of self-professed intellectuals. * Overrefined; effeminate. * No longer productive; infertile. Take your pick... they all seem to apply. <smirks> Thanks for the effort but quite frankly I still don't care. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Bruno Bonner Oh marvelous idea, i was afraid that i couldn't attend the event. Can i order a copy of the holoreel in high definition?. Got a few students in our institution that would love to see dueling tactics and analize the datafeed. Good luck to both participants, but if someone's taking bets i'll put 10mill isk for shemar The event will be available, yes. One of the main reasons I am giving Nooey some of my time for this is that our research shows a high level of marketable interest (for educational purposes of course ). Keep monitoring thse channels for details and thanks for the vote of confidence. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I don't know what I missed that started all this, but damn it's funny. Where and when? I want to watch. Stay tuned! ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Steiner Hell, I hate his big mouth too, 10m on Nooey! I'll cover that bet. Please confirm that you accept. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:26:00 - [23] Duels are lame. Wars are the way!
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:30:00 - [24] The official GLS dueling rules have now entered the public domain here. As previously agreed the ship selection will be limited to T1 non-faction cruisers. I prefer that the participants declare their ship selections prior to fitting, but if Nooey does not want that, fine with me. As for fittings, I prefer no limitations, but if Nooey wishes a 'no faction' modules rule I will accept that. Me preference is a standing start, the option to yield available and the loot returned to the original owner, but again if Nooey wants any of these options changed, I am fine with it. Additionally I am willing to cover any bets third parties wish to place against me, up to a total (for all bets not individually) of 100 million ISK. Members or associates (past or present) of Omerta Syndicate and the Star Ftaction are excluded from this. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:35:00 - [25] Wow, I'm out for 3 hours and I come back to THIS? Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Duels are lame. Wars are the way! Mr. Bliss, A duel only takes an hour at best of my time and gives the GLS the potential to provide entertainment for a profit, which is what we do. A war on the other hand is boring and time consuming, with vast amounts of time wasted in searching for targets or evading the enemy searching for you. Time I could be spending in the company of the wonderful Bunnies and Tarts. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Reyn Sartha	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:55:00 - [27] Edited by: Reyn Sartha on 17/05/2006 02:54:52 BAH
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2006.05.17 02:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Shemar Members or associates (past or present) of Omerta Syndicate and the Star Ftaction are excluded from this. Did you just exclude yourself?
Aran Cole	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Aran Cole Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Yuki Li That'd be a definite no. You're far more effete than Nooey is. Sorry, can't be bothered to look that up. It's not like anything you say matters to me anyway. * Marked by self-indulgence, triviality, or decadence: an effete group of self-professed intellectuals. * Overrefined; effeminate. * No longer productive; infertile. Take your pick... they all seem to apply. <smirks> Thanks for the effort but quite frankly I still don't care. That's alright, Shemar, it wasn't for your benefit anyway _______________________
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Did you just exclude yourself? Kyoko smirks Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Steiner	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:04:00 - [31] I'm going to change my bet a bit. I give Nooey 20m if he pods you. Go Nooey! ---
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:23:00 - [32] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Originally by: Shemar Members or associates (past or present) of Omerta Syndicate and the Star Ftaction are excluded from this. Did you just exclude yourself? Yes Tatsue, I excluded myself from betting against me, with me ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:30:00 - [33] If this will be televised, then perhaps Shemar should wear a prison uniform like so many others who die on bad GLS programs. I can even provide you a (slightly used) uniform, fresh off the body of a prisoner who tried to escape shortly after being captured from the remains of Gila-class cruiser. I'm not quite sure where he though he was going to escape to in the detention area of my Raven, but he didn't make it there. Might I add the Lai-Dai extreme supression bean-bag guns should not be fired at full power when attempting to only stun? Well, they shouldn't be set to 10, 4-5 seems to do, 10 caused a mess... You don't mind a 3-inch wide hole in your uniform's shirt do you Shemar?
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:35:00 - [34] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia If this will be televised, then perhaps Shemar should wear a prison uniform like so many others who die on bad GLS programs. You don't mind a 3-inch wide hole in your uniform's shirt do you Shemar? Oh that old story again? I assure you the combat uniforms designed for that show were for maximum combat efficiency and (where possible) sex appeal. Perhaps watching a show before critisizing it would be advisable. I did not realize Caldari were in such a short supply of clothing as to wear used ones and even preserve the clothing of the dead. In any case, no thanks. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:38:00 - [35] Edited by: Shemar on 17/05/2006 03:39:20 Originally by: Steiner I'm going to change my bet a bit. I will give Nooey 20m if he makes Shemar go down with his ship, shoots Shemar's escape capsule that is and shows us some nice pictures of his frozen corpz in space. Do the world a favor Nooey. Go Nooey! you can kill the loud mouth. Ahh, I see that after avoiding the bet you also increased your expectations. Getting cheap are we? Tell you what: If, in case Nooey wins, he does shoot at my pod, I'll give him an extra 5 million ISK. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.05.17 03:51:00 - [36] Grins maniacally I haven't seen a good cat fight in years. I put fifteen million on Nooey,he actually knows how to load his guns and launchers.
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.05.17 08:30:00 - [37] What, what's going on here? Seems every time I decide to look away the IGS goes from infinite boredom to quality entertainment. Can't we have some details? Shem, what did you do to the nice Omerta gentleman? :) Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is not hiring
Camar	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:11:00 - [38] Originally by: Lucian Alucard Grins maniacally I haven't seen a good cat fight in years. I put fifteen million on Nooey,he actually knows how to load his guns and launchers. I'll take that bet. Nooey wins I give you 15m. Shemar wins you give me 15m.
DeadRow	Posted - 2006.05.17 10:55:00 - [39] 15mil on shemar winning- Kill the bighead shemar!
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 12:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Can't we have some details? Shem, what did you do to the nice Omerta gentleman? :) I am not really sure Elsebeth. Apparently what I have to say matters so much to Nooey that he feels the need to fight over it. But, as usual, the GLS is at the forefront of quality entertainment, so I could not pass this one up By the way, we will need a neutral observer for the duel... interested? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Camar I'll take that bet. Nooey wins I give you 15m. Shemar wins you give me 15m. You are cutting in on my action Camar! Just kidding, I will cover any unanswered bets against me, but will step aside if others want to step in and cover them. Thanks for the vote of confidence, you too DeadRow ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.05.17 13:41:00 - [42] Quote: By the way, we will need a neutral observer for the duel... interested? Due to current political circumstances and the ever growing list of people who want me dead, again (please take a number if you want in), advertising my location at any given time is not such a brilliant idea. If the duel can be arranged without that info leaking, and you take the risk of having unexpected and impolite guests arrive, sure. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is not hiring
DeadRow	Posted - 2006.05.17 14:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Shemar By the way, we will need a neutral observer for the duel... interested? Ill be the observer if you havnt already got one shemar, would need a time/date to know when to come to empire tho
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:03:00 - [44] Thank you both ladies. Elsebeth, unfortunatly missing out on all the wonderful promotional and product placement opportunities by keeping the details secret would invalidate my reasons for going along with this, so unfortunately I will have to do it without your always welcome presence. Deadrow, if Nooey accepts you as a neutral party, I would be glad to have you. We will make sure you have at least 48 hours of warning ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Lordess Red	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:30:00 - [45] Edited by: Lordess Red on 17/05/2006 15:30:30 This seems to be a very interesting situation. Is this event open to spectators? Oh, and good luck to you Nooey. Even though I know you will not be needing it.
Babs Johnson	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:33:00 - [46] Edited by: Babs Johnson on 17/05/2006 15:34:28 There's more to this story that's not being told. What did Shemar run his mouth about? Why is Nooey so cross? Details! We need the sordid details!
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:36:00 - [47] It depends on what you mean by 'open'. I have not yet decided on the cost of admission for spectators. I have to also stress that at this point, Nooey has not yet issued an official challenge and therefore a lot of the details are not finalised. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:39:00 - [48] Dear Babs, I am afraid you will have to ask Nooey for that, as I am not quite sure. I just saw a lovely business opportunity and I took it. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:43:00 - [49] Quote: Elsebeth, unfortunatly missing out on all the wonderful promotional and product placement opportunities by keeping the details secret would invalidate my reasons for going along with this, so unfortunately I will have to do it without your always welcome presence. Thank you for the complimet, charming as ever, and perfectly understandable. I'll watch the vid. Good luck, and have fun. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is not hiring
Gorion Wassenar	Posted - 2006.05.17 15:48:00 - [50] Admision is free. Because frankly they cannot stop you :) ------------------ CEO of TKI Public Channel: TKI-Net http://s14.invisionfree.com/Tsuroki
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 16:07:00 - [51] Edited by: Shemar on 17/05/2006 16:10:16 Actually there is a great number of ways to control it, the simplest of which is to not start the duel until all present have paid up. Additionally the final location determination and communications with the neutral observer and between the participants will happen in a private comms channel and only paid participants will have access to that. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Danno	Posted - 2006.05.17 16:24:00 - [52] Edited by: Danno on 17/05/2006 16:25:33 am routing for you shemar, blow that dude up
Gorion Wassenar	Posted - 2006.05.17 16:27:00 - [53] Its amazing what you can see in a cloaked ship ;) ------------------ CEO of TKI Public Channel: TKI-Net http://s14.invisionfree.com/Tsuroki
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 16:55:00 - [54] Danno: Thanks Gorion: Always nice to see you demonstrate the Caldari way of doing business In any case the ticket price will me much less than the trouble one would have to go through to avoid paying it, so be my guest ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.05.17 17:47:00 - [55] Shemar, i hope you find your entire crew losing their lives over your ego as entertaining as you find all this attention. You're a complete joke, one that's way too old to be amusing anymore. Website / Forums / Recruiting
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 19:18:00 - [56] Yuki, there are a lot of people who could talk about the lives of crew members, but you are not one of them. Given that is is a very short mission, I can fly with a skeleton crew, all of whom are volunteers (and yes, the contractual obligation to keep sending their salaries to their families for life should something happen to them helps). That of course is if I lose. I never considered myself (or any of us pod pilots really) as someone who mattered, but if Nooey is willing to go to all this trouble to shoot me, just because he doesn't like what I say, I will venture a guess that it matters to him. Me, I am just doing my job, providing entertainment for a price. Nooey offers to provide a show and I cash in. Simple as that. No ego involved. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.05.17 22:15:00 - [57] Edited by: Yuki Li on 17/05/2006 22:15:26 What a bunch of absolute crap. Don't try to play the compassion card after proving your crew don't matter to you. And don't try to tell me i don't give a damn about my crew. You don't know a thing about me. Website / Forums / Recruiting
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 22:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Yuki Li And don't try to tell me i don't give a damn about my crew. You don't know a thing about me. You mean like you just did? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.17 22:40:00 - [59] Eh? Where is that? Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 22:47:00 - [60] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Eh? Where is that? Seriously? Originally by: Yuki Li Don't try to play the compassion card after proving your crew don't matter to you. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2006.05.17 22:55:00 - [61] Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 17/05/2006 22:55:52 Well, for being one of all fancy words about that (and scolding condemnations, ofc), you seem awfully well prepared to make money out of risking those people's lives... Your wallet and your ego > their lives? (Yes yes, I'm sure their families will be all thrilled about the widow pensions you throw at them... Buying out your counscience, eh? )
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.17 23:10:00 - [62] You people are too funny! So if I duel I don't care about my crews, if I don't I am a coward. You got all your bases covered huh? Especially coming from you Tatsue that less than a week ago were going on about how voluntary your crews follow you to their deaths and how freely and willingly they make that choice. In any case, unless you would like to claim that I use slaves for crews, the simple fact that I do have a crew willing to go along, knowing all the facts available to me, is all that needs to be said. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.17 23:13:00 - [63] Umm, I fail to see where you're going. Yuki was talking about your relationship with your crew, because the inference made from what you said was that it didn't matter if your crew died because their family would get compensation, therefore if they died it would be inconsequential. With enough money, you can buy off a life, after all (and that's not real compassion). This seems logical, as you've been selfishly spinning this duel into something it's not intended to be, that is, serving your entertainment business which has been known to thrive off bloodsport. Yuki asked you to not make a blind accusation about her relationship with her crew. She never talked about it and therefore there's no way you can begin to dissect her words. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.17 23:15:00 - [64] Actually, I agree. Coming from Tatsue, that entire scolding of "ego > lives" doesn't bear any weight. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.05.18 00:15:00 - [65] I can't help it, I am falling more and more in love with Omerta. Caldari with spines...I love it!
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.18 00:34:00 - [66] Edited by: Shemar on 18/05/2006 00:35:40 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Umm, I fail to see where you're going. Yuki was talking about your relationship with your crew, because the inference made from what you said was that it didn't matter if your crew died because their family would get compensation, therefore if they died it would be inconsequential. With enough money, you can buy off a life, after all (and that's not real compassion). This seems logical, as you've been selfishly spinning this duel into something it's not intended to be, that is, serving your entertainment business which has been known to thrive off bloodsport. Yuki asked you to not make a blind accusation about her relationship with her crew. She never talked about it and therefore there's no way you can begin to dissect her words. Your assumption that I don't care about my crew is utterly wrong. My crew lays down their life every single day, fighting greatly outnumbered against fleets of outlaws and task forces of invading navies. They do it for profit (yes, many of them also from patriotism, but since they don't get a say as to what or who I fight I am not counting on that). Up until recently, it is true that I refused to force my crew to fight against other pod pilots except in self defense. That is still the case. However I am now in a position to offer them enough financial incentives to volunteer for this extra hazardous job. I could have just waved their contracts in front of them and force them to do it, as I am sure many pilots do, but I didn't. Unlike others, I never claimed I was some kind of charitable person or that I do things for the good of mankind. I do business. I try to do business in a way that improves the universe around me, but it is still business. I offer, they accept, it's a deal. As long as I do not go back on my deals and I don't force anybody into doing things they do not want to do, I can sleep fine at nights. I put my crews into a lot less danger than any of you who try to make something out of this, yet somehow I am the one who cares less. Whatever. My crew knows best. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.18 01:02:00 - [67] I really don't care about conditions. I really don't care about observers. I really don't care about betting. I really don't care about televising this. Most of all, I don't care for your need to make this into a spectacle. This was a fight of honour. But you being you, I guess you just had to make it into a fight about something far less important. Well you lost the honour part of it already, without a shot being fired, congratulations. Yuki and Kyoko couldn't be more right in what they say, and I thank them for saving me the effort of pointing the obvious out. When your crew are floating lifelessly in the void, take a moment to realise that it was your incessant drivel, your unrelenting need to voice your opinion negatively in affairs that don't even involve you at all that was responsible. (And that Babs, is all you need to really know, surprised it even needed pointing out.) As far as my Crew goes, they all hate you as much as I do. If we were duelling in Titans I still couldn't take all the people who wanted to come. I'm just the bringer of consequence, your illusions of impunity are just that, illusions. You run your mouth here like you do and think nobody will do something about it, that you can hide safely in your puny alliance and take a crap on everybody else. That ends now. Consider this my official acceptance Shemar. On one simple condition, since you have so many of your own. If I win, you don't show your face here on the Summit for a week. If I lose, then the same applies to me. My gift to the universe, a week of sanity. ____
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.18 01:40:00 - [68] How very amusing Nooey. I think you give me enough material for a daily comedy show. Off the Summit for a week huh? What an unusual request. You really must stop obsessing about me. I am not all that important you know. It can't be a good sign. I recommend professional help. I have some vacation coming up and it coincides nicely, so I'll accept your term. As for honour, what a joke. Fighting because you don't like my words. Usless. Meaningless. You call that honour? At least I do it for profit. Unless you are under the influence again, even you realize that you have no way of hurting me, if I choose not to allow you to. I have no reason to do this, other than to provide some entertainment and make some money, which is exactly what I do. My crew has a strong emotional reaction to you too, by the way. Except they don't hate you, they are laughing their bottoms off. On to details. Since you don't care about who the neutral party is and DeadRow offered, I guess you agree. How does next Sunday sound? About 20:00? Asking both Nooey and DeadRow. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.18 01:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Shemar Edited by: Shemar on 17/05/2006 03:39:20 Originally by: Steiner I'm going to change my bet a bit. I will give Nooey 20m if he makes Shemar go down with his ship, shoots Shemar's escape capsule that is and shows us some nice pictures of his frozen corpz in space. Do the world a favor Nooey. Go Nooey! you can kill the loud mouth. Ahh, I see that after avoiding the bet you also increased your expectations. Getting cheap are we? Tell you what: If, in case Nooey wins, he does shoot at my pod, I'll give him an extra 5 million ISK. I'm sure the satisfaction of you going splat will mean more to Nooey than 5mil isk.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.18 01:47:00 - [70] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I'm sure the satisfaction of you going splat will mean more to Nooey than 5mil isk. Oh but he can have both. All he has to do is actually shoot my pod Well, he'll have to kill my ship first but that's another story. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.18 02:03:00 - [71] Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I'm sure the satisfaction of you going splat will mean more to Nooey than 5mil isk. Oh but he can have both. All he has to do is actually shoot my pod Well, he'll have to kill my ship first but that's another story. A story with a happy ending.
Tallon Kard	Posted - 2006.05.18 03:51:00 - [72] Originally by: Nooey I really don't care about conditions. I really don't care about observers. I really don't care about betting. I really don't care about televising this. Most of all, I don't care for your need to make this into a spectacle. This was a fight of honour. But you being you, I guess you just had to make it into a fight about something far less important. Well you lost the honour part of it already, without a shot being fired, congratulations. Yuki and Kyoko couldn't be more right in what they say, and I thank them for saving me the effort of pointing the obvious out. When your crew are floating lifelessly in the void, take a moment to realise that it was your incessant drivel, your unrelenting need to voice your opinion negatively in affairs that don't even involve you at all that was responsible. (And that Babs, is all you need to really know, surprised it even needed pointing out.) As far as my Crew goes, they all hate you as much as I do. If we were duelling in Titans I still couldn't take all the people who wanted to come. I'm just the bringer of consequence, your illusions of impunity are just that, illusions. You run your mouth here like you do and think nobody will do something about it, that you can hide safely in your puny alliance and take a crap on everybody else. That ends now. Consider this my official acceptance Shemar. On one simple condition, since you have so many of your own. If I win, you don't show your face here on the Summit for a week. If I lose, then the same applies to me. My gift to the universe, a week of sanity. Not that I know either of you at all, but I must say nooey I find it funny you think its his fault this has turned into a spectacle. After all, it was YOU who broadcasted this message originally for the whole board to see :) I am afraid it is you who brought this attention my friend. Anyway, if I am allowed, I would like to place a small wager on the side of Shemar. My reasoning for this is simply the way nooey has "acted" in these conversations.
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.18 04:25:00 - [73] Let me get this straight. You're saying that my requesting a duel, is responsible for Shemar's decision to turn this into a media circus with betting, live camera coverage and other things that I don't care enough about to have remembered? Is there some kind of overlooked rationality underpinning your statement or do you suppose that I control his mind? ____
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.05.18 04:28:00 - [74] So. Many. Words. Fight, **, or go for your guns. Just stop talking. Tell us the results when you know them. -- Originally by:** Mephysto come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.18 04:57:00 - [75] Remind me again, what was the single condition I placed upon this fight? Thanks for that contribution Kitty, fantastic work. ____
Bruno Bonner	Posted - 2006.05.18 05:29:00 - [76] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay So. Many. Words. Fight, ****, or go for your guns. Just stop talking. Tell us the results when you know them. Heheh, i gotta say that i agree with her here, im eager to see the show And regarding the "week of sanity", well i support freedom of speech and the right to express one's view.....from whomever regardless of origin and race. The summit will probably not be the same with just one....we need Nooey and Shemar playing their magic. anyways.....who's taking the bets? regards Bruno ------ aka BinderAJ
Aleria Angelis	Posted - 2006.05.18 07:27:00 - [77] sigh whatÆs Shemar done now. Did he catch you at bad angle Nooey? I know its annoying but even photographers have their off days. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Aleria (see Bio for full examples of work)
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2006.05.18 08:36:00 - [78] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Actually, I agree. Coming from Tatsue, that entire scolding of "ego > lives" doesn't bear any weight. Well shrug, that's irrelevant. What I was pointing out was simply that he's doing the exact same thing he was accusing me of doing. That's it. If you want to cry foul about some perceived injustice, don't immediately turn around and start doing the same thing. I was accused of sacrificing the lives of a lot of people. Well, now Shemar is the one running a betting industry on the lives of his crew.
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.05.18 09:02:00 - [79] Quality entertainment, I say. Saying Shemar does not care for his crew is... I don't know. Equivalent to calling Tharrn of 1st Praetorian a freedom fighter. Priceless. That said, there is a reason for why I and many others do not approve of duels in anything else but light frigates that can run without crew. I hope some arrangement to minimize nonsensical losses can be arrived to here too. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is not hiring
James Snowscoran	Posted - 2006.05.18 10:05:00 - [80] Just get it over with so we can have some peace and quiet. To be perfectly honest, neither of you are famous or important enough to warrant an entire section of GalNet devoted to a personal feud. -----
Yal XianKun	Posted - 2006.05.18 10:05:00 - [81] The Adeptus Illuminati Aegis Authentica would like to provide Nooey with the cruiser hull of his choice that meets the criteria of this duel, as a token of our support for his righteous anger.
Celes Tenebrae	Posted - 2006.05.18 10:19:00 - [82] Oh my goodness, fighting?! How awful.. I believe I still have your cell culture somewhere in the laboratory Shemar. It's mostly a control group I'm sure, there was a slight problem with cross contamination and a misplaced progressive gamma projector, but I'm sure I could clean it up. I know, everybody has their own medical insurance these days, but I still worry, and theres nothing quite like a personal touch... tell me, strictly speaking, would your clone really _need_ hair and skin? I assume you are going to arrange for medical staff at this event? It would be such a shame if somebody were seriously hurt in all this mess, I'm happy to volunteer at least. Just contact me if you need me.
Siren Shiva	Posted - 2006.05.18 10:39:00 - [83] I bet this is just a promotion gag. Maybe Shemar has gotten too little attention lately... Lyticus > I freaking hate you! Siren Shiva > I love you too <3 Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent [vi
Ladel Teravada	Posted - 2006.05.18 11:08:00 - [84] Edited by: Ladel Teravada on 18/05/2006 11:08:47 Nooey-haani... If you manage to "pod" Shemar, I'll add ten million ISK to your funds, given ample proof that is. Call it "the fund for making the cluster a better place". Commander Ladel Teravada Deputy Quartermaster Captain, C.N.S. Forgotten and C.N.S. Taris Dream Caldari Independent Naval Reserves Lai Dai Loyalist
Jana Mordu	Posted - 2006.05.18 11:28:00 - [85] When you win, Nooey; take this hands a data disk of all shemar's rantings and ramblings , scramble his pod and play it back to him endlessly. Oh, I would wish you luck but I don't think you will need it
Tallon Kard	Posted - 2006.05.18 11:49:00 - [86] Originally by: Nooey Let me get this straight. You're saying that my requesting a duel, is responsible for Shemar's decision to turn this into a media circus with betting, live camera coverage and other things that I don't care enough about to have remembered? Is there some kind of overlooked rationality underpinning your statement or do you suppose that I control his mind? hmm I dont think I stuttered? That is exactly what I am saying. You drag a mans name out in public !! And then you question HIS motives when he defends himself? I think once a mans name and honor is questioned (or lack there of) it is completely up to HIM how he chooses to defend it. If you werent prepared for this to become something "public" then you should have never brought this out, you should have handled it privately with him.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.18 12:36:00 - [87] I will try to provide some replies without a quotefest... It is undisputable that Nooey is the one who made this a public issue, not me. It is undisputable that Nooey is the one following me around with personal attacks in irrelevant topics (and I can provide links to two or three upon request). It is well known that the GLS specializes in promotional activities and entertainment, so it should hardly be a surprise to anyone that when Nooey makes a public spectacle of himself, we point a camera and microphone to him and sell tickets. Personally, I don't really think that what I have to say matters much. I know for a fact that what Nooey and his merry band have to say does not matter to me in the least. But apparetnly what I say does affect Nooey, to the point where he decided it is worth his time to fight me about it. In all honestly I find it quite unhealthy. Tatsue, I never claimed that my crew had any kind of absoulte freedom and they are choosing to follow me. That was you. Flying a space ship these days is probably one of the most hazardous jobs. I know my crew does it for the money. I am sure looking at my total number of crew losses over the past year, compared to others, you will see why it is quite easy for me to find crews for hire. Celes, I am not quite sure what you are cooking with that DNA sample of mine, but I am quite sure I don't want to know about it. Thanks for the offer but I will go with standard medical and search and resque services. Since most of you do not get the joke or did not bother to read the duel rules, let me inform you that the duel will take place in a high security system. So in the event that Nooey wins, firing at my pod would be most entertaining, hence my offer to give him 5 million ISK if he does so. To those that offer their support, thank you. Unfortunately I do not have the capability to cover bets for me, only against me. To those that wish to bet against me, if nobody else will take your bet, message me privately and I will cover it. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:45:00 - [88] Originally by: Siren Shiva I bet this is just a promotion gag. Maybe Shemar has gotten too little attention lately... quite possible, but then how pathetic would that be? I choose to give Nooey the benefit of the doubt. Nooey hasn't given any reason yet to be a liar, so lets assume he isn't.
Elrianmk2	Posted - 2006.05.18 13:47:00 - [89] Would the GLS confirm how much the ticketÆs to see this event would be? Furthermore, would they also confirm if the video will be available for research and training purposes with third party broadcasters and whether such footage would be authorised for use in third party advertising campaigns? Also one last query, could you confirm that this event is scheduled for 20:00 Eve Standard time? ----- The only certainties are death and taxes. Edit: and the nerfing of my pic :/
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.05.18 14:54:00 - [90] OFFICIAL GILEAD'S BULLET TRANSMISSION GDBT offers to provide Nooey with any ammunition neccessary, with the promise that every round with have Shemar's name engraved. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Rana Ash	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:50:00 - [91] Edited by: Rana Ash on 18/05/2006 15:50:25 You two Nooey and Shemar makes me laugh , whom wins or looses i don't care about. But the spectacle will be worth watching, just for the entertainment value. Keep it a good clean fight.. ¦on Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details lyret dedreen
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.18 15:53:00 - [92] Originally by: Elrianmk2 Would the GLS confirm how much the ticketÆs to see this event would be? Furthermore, would they also confirm if the video will be available for research and training purposes with third party broadcasters and whether such footage would be authorised for use in third party advertising campaigns? Also one last query, could you confirm that this event is scheduled for 20:00 Eve Standard time? With Nooey's acceptance I can now move on to the business side of things. Event tickets will cost 50000 ISK. The price includes access to the GLS dueling channel where the final location of the duel will be announced as well as all communication between participants and observer will take place. I am also working on commentators and news coverage which will also be included with no additional cost. The event will become available in holoreel format, for private usage, for the price of 10000 ISK. Commercial use (such as 3rd party advertising) will require additional licensing. Educationl use is free. The event is nominally scheduled for next Sunday, 20:00 EVE Stadard time, as our research indicates that particular time is conductive to peak audiences. A specific date and time as well as the general area of the duel will be announced 24 hours prior to the event. Thank you for your interest. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Lorna Doone	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:10:00 - [93] Originally by: Nooey When your crew are floating lifelessly in the void, take a moment to realise that it was your incessant drivel, your unrelenting need to voice your opinion negatively in affairs that don't even involve you at all that was responsible. (And that Babs, is all you need to really know, surprised it even needed pointing out.) So who died and made you the arbitrator of who gets to post, what they can comment on and how often they can comment on it? There are a lot of things that get said on here that I don't particularly care for, but I'd defend to my last breath people's right to say it. --------------------------------------------------------------- "Meantime, all around me is violence and robbery, coarse delight and savage pain, reckless joke and hopeless death."
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:14:00 - [94] Originally by: Shemar Since most of you do not get the joke or did not bother to read the duel rules, let me inform you that the duel will take place in a high security system. So in the event that Nooey wins, firing at my pod would be most entertaining, hence my offer to give him 5 million ISK if he does so. If the "duel" is going to be in a high security system how are you going to prevent Concord Battleships interfering with the fighting the moment the first shot is fired? _________________
Takitoo	Posted - 2006.05.18 16:56:00 - [95] One Million on Shemar ! Takitoo giggles. ___________________________ So, this 'geddon and this Apoc are sitting in a bar, when this Ragnarok walks in. The barkeep turns around to the serving girl and says: "Lousy day, huh ?"
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.18 17:01:00 - [96] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine If the "duel" is going to be in a high security system how are you going to prevent Concord Battleships interfering with the fighting the moment the first shot is fired? If you had bothered to read the duel procedure you would know that it involves looting bookmarks off each other's jet cans to artificially induce CONCORD sanctioned aggression. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.19 00:06:00 - [97] I'll supply Nooey with a Tractor beam BPO, so he can make one to haul in shemar's frozen corpse... /me looks at a crate of the blueprints, "Guess that's what I get for taking investment advise from a Gallente..."
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.19 00:14:00 - [98] /me takes a picture of Shemar. Spits on it. Throws to the floor. Step on it and twists her ankle on the filthy picture. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Gaius Sejanus	Posted - 2006.05.19 02:44:00 - [99] Matter of honor? Oh please. There is no honor in a man who resorts to violence because he got a wild hair up his nose about somebody else. You lost whatever speck of moral high ground you may have at one time ever claimed to possess as soon as you made a public spectacle out of yourself. Does the EVEMail transmitter on your ship not function properly and you were unable to contact Shemar directly? Also spare us your crocodile tears on the subject of Shemar's crew...if you cared a whit about their lives, you wouldn't have embarked on this fool's errand in the first place. It doesn't matter whose ship explodes, Nooey has already lost.
Tallon Kard	Posted - 2006.05.19 04:12:00 - [100] Originally by: Gaius Sejanus Matter of honor? Oh please. There is no honor in a man who resorts to violence because he got a wild hair up his nose about somebody else. You lost whatever speck of moral high ground you may have at one time ever claimed to possess as soon as you made a public spectacle out of yourself. Does the EVEMail transmitter on your ship not function properly and you were unable to contact Shemar directly? Also spare us your crocodile tears on the subject of Shemar's crew...if you cared a whit about their lives, you wouldn't have embarked on this fool's errand in the first place. It doesn't matter whose ship explodes, Nooey has already lost. Thank you Gajus, those were my sentiments exactly.
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.05.19 07:34:00 - [101] Gaius has the best point here so far, of course. Less entertaining, but more sense. Please could the gentlemen consider dueling in frigates? Aren't duels an old-fashioned concept enough without risking lives? Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is not hiring
Tallon Kard	Posted - 2006.05.19 08:03:00 - [102] hmm, I guess no one noticed me saying the exact same thing earlier, ah well. This is still amusing.
Plan Neun	Posted - 2006.05.19 08:48:00 - [103] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Edited by: Kaleigh Doyle on 16/05/2006 21:37:41 Originally by: Nooey The time for you running your mouth with impunity has come to an end. I hope this kettle is prepared to follow his own advice should Shemar stuff some antimatter into that gullet of his... What on earp is this corpchange Kaleigh, have you given up your baby? Love and kisses Plan "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:29:00 - [104] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Please could the gentlemen consider dueling in frigates? Aren't duels an old-fashioned concept enough without risking lives? I understand your reservations Elsebeth. Unfortunately, frigates are too fragile and fickle and often the winner is determined by luck, instead of skill and tactics, as the duel does not last long enough. I assure you that every possible precausion has been taken to minimize the loss of life. The event will take place in a high security system where medical and resque services will be able to be on standby in great numbers. Additionally both participants have the option to yield or warp away forfeiting the duel but preserving the lives of their crew. Additionally, given the very short duration of the event and the lack of need for long term ship maintenance and quality of life services, most of my crew will be evacuated to the nearest space station, with only a handful of volunteers tasked with critical duties during combat remaining on board. I assure you that having talked to them, not a single one of them would have it any other way. Finally, according to the agreed upon rules, I am announcing the ship type of my choice. I will fight in a Thorax class cruiser. I am eagerly awaiting Nooey's choice. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.05.19 12:38:00 - [105] Your call, of course, Shemar. I trust your arrangements, naturally. I'd love to be there. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is not hiring
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:09:00 - [106] I'd love for you to be there too Elsebeth, but I understand the security risks, not to mention that the work you are doing is far more important than this. Should you decide that you can attend (maybe through the use of a cloaked vessel) I will provide you with a VIP pass, naturally. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Elsebeth Rhiannon	Posted - 2006.05.19 13:44:00 - [107] An extremely tempting suggestion, I must say. Peace in a pod - Liberty Network Gradient is not hiring
Amelie DeLumin	Posted - 2006.05.19 14:41:00 - [108] It is a pity that I am unable to attend this event. I would truely like to see old friends again. It would be almost like a reuion of sorts.
Lillith Blackheart	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:43:00 - [109] I can't even begin to decide which annoying sot I'd rather see lose.
Verone	Posted - 2006.05.19 20:12:00 - [110] Verone smiles broadly as he reads four pages of this pure humor. Oh, really... now this is priceless. Well Nooey, escrow me Shemar's frozen corpse when you're done and I'll gladly pay 20 million credits to add it to Veto's corporate meat locker. I'd like to see a recording of this fight too, to be honest. Would be... interesting... to say the least... VETO RECRUITMENT
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.05.20 10:21:00 - [111] Quote: I understand your reservations Elsebeth. Unfortunately, frigates are too fragile and fickle and often the winner is determined by luck, instead of skill and tactics, as the duel does not last long enough. in a frigate you'd have to rely on having some actual ability, rather than mwd on, blasters on, mwd off, release drones, web scramble. Because ofcourse, that's the definition of modern tactics, hey Shemar? As for any concerns regarding my crew, i normally pilot an interceptor for that precise reason. Shemar, you made your own bed. Hell, after Nooey kills you, maybe i'll come kill you myself. Maybe i'll promote him, for doing the Intergalactic Summit a service, and shutting your mouth. We'll see, i suppose. Website / Forums / Recruiting
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:08:00 - [112] For a group that pretends to be about actions and not words you sure talk a lot about what you would like to do. Still waiting for Nooey to declare his ship of choice, as per the rules. I would hate to see him forfeit on a technicality. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Siren Shiva	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:24:00 - [113] I'll believe in a promotion gag until someone dies, and there is proof of it... but right now it does not look like any fight is going to happen. Lyticus > I freaking hate you! Siren Shiva > I love you too <3 Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent [vi
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:25:00 - [114] "Still waiting for Nooey to declare his ship of choice, as per the rules. I would hate to see him forfeit on a technicality." Per your own rules, he doesn't have to.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:31:00 - [115] Edited by: Shemar on 20/05/2006 11:33:26 The rules he agreed to. Any failure to comply is an automatic forfeit. If he had any objections he should have stated them before accepting: Originally by: Shemar I prefer that the participants declare their ship selections prior to fitting, but if Nooey does not want that, fine with me. Originally by: Nooey I really don't care about conditions. ... Consider this my official acceptance Shemar. On one simple condition, since you have so many of your own. As far as I am concerned it is clear he accepted all conditions. It would be interesting to see if he uses that as a way to back out of the duel... ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Amial Starkiel	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:46:00 - [116] Some old-fashioned duelling! It's sounds almost like a scene from a holo-reel -- all we're missing is Johnny D. Wrayne doing his famous micro-jump attack. "Drone this, pilgrim!" (Hehe, loved those old holoreels when I was a kid. Best stuff ever to come out of the Gallentean movie network if you ask me.) Would love to see this in person, but alas I'm a poor girl, got to work to keep my ship fuelled, no time for running off watching spectacles. I'd love a broadcast though although I don't think my gold feed subscription include the Glamour Syndicate holofeed by default. Haven't the infolink at hand right now -- how's your coverage into Minmatar space, Mr Shemar? /Amial
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:53:00 - [117] Ms. Starkiel, This event will be available for live broadcast in all areas the GEN (the Glamour Entertainment Network) is available and that includes Minmatar space. It will be however a Pay-Per-View service and not part of the regular GEN subscription, save the Premium package. It will also be available, in a future date in holoreel format. Thank you for your interest ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.20 11:56:00 - [118] "As far as I am concerned it is clear he accepted all conditions. It would be interesting to see if he uses that as a way to back out of the duel..." I see him agree on the stated conditions. Which include "participants may choose to disclose their ship selection, but don't have to". And out of you two, i only see one person already talking about the duel not happening due to technicalities, and that person is not Nooey. "Just in case there is any confusion I will elaborate on that. The official GLS dueling rules for ship selection state: (..) They can also decide whether they are to disclose their choices prior to fitting or not."" I marked the relevant part there for you, for easier reading. It says "they" can decide (on their own, respectively) not "one of participant decides for both". In addition, you said yourself earlier in the very post i linked to: "I prefer that the participants declare their ship selections prior to fitting, but if Nooey does not want that, fine with me." Seems you're changing your mind rapidly on the matter as the time approaches and push is about to come to shove. How... Gallente. "Nooey agreed to all the conditions, including all my preferences regarding optional rules."[/i] He agreed on duel conditions. Your preferences though aren't part of it but merely that, your personal preferences. And the very rules you cite allow each participant to have their own preference that doesn't affect the other.
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.05.20 12:05:00 - [119] Quote: For a group that pretends to be about actions and not words you sure talk a lot about what you would like to do. And i suppose possessing the ability to back our actions up with words would qualify us as not really being about actions and not words? Save your breath, wouldn't want you to run out before you can say your last words. Website / Forums / Recruiting
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.05.20 12:26:00 - [120] Originally by: j0sephine ... Seems you're changing your mind rapidly on the matter as the time approaches and push is about to come to shove. How... Gallente. Please don't make this about nationality j0sephine. I am a Gallente (albeit a posthuman revolutionary guerilla anarchist gallente) but I'm just as unimpressed by the wriggling and pathetic legalistic manouverings as you are. Just fight the man Shemar. Turn up in whatever ship you want to fly. Nooey turns up in whatever ship he wants to fly - warp to a planet and finish the thing. Demanding to know his ship choice before the duel is weak. _________________
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.20 12:45:00 - [121] "Please don't make this about nationality j0sephine. I am a Gallente (albeit a posthuman revolutionary guerilla anarchist gallente) but I'm just as unimpressed by the wriggling and pathetic legalistic manouverings as you are." Sorry about that, Jasmine... it did occur to me actually while writing that wasn't very fair thing to say, due to people like you out there... but then we all have shortcomings and can't resist saying things against better judgement every now and then ;s
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2006.05.20 13:14:00 - [122] Unless I'm otherwise engaged, I will come to see this for 50k, for sure. Nooey, I'm rooting for you. So, is it sunday, 20:00?
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 13:23:00 - [123] Originally by: j0sephine He agreed on duel conditions. Your preferences though aren't part of it but merely that, your personal preferences. And the very rules you cite allow each participant to have their own preference that doesn't affect the other. No you are misinterpreting the rules. The optionl rules are not to be followed or not based on personal preference, they are to be decided by both participants prior to the duel at which point they become part of the rules. So when you say: Originally by: j0sephine It says "they" can decide (on their own, respectively) not "one of participant decides for both". your interpretation is wrong. The correct interpretation is "both parties mutually agree" and not "on their own, respectively" or, of course "one of participant decides for both" For this proccess I stated all my personal preferences of options for Nooey. He accepted them as they were, offering no objections. If he wanted the ship choice to remain unknown all he had to do was state that he did not wish that option (or any of the other options) active. I made it clear that it would not be a deal breaker. However once he accepted the set of options as stated, I expect him to follow them to the letter. I had no problem being the first to declare my choice allowing Nooey to not only choose his fittings but also the ship he will fly with that knowledge at hand. In any case I don't see Nooey complaining and I am sure he does not need rules lawyers to get this done. This is not a set of rules made specifically for this duel, it is part of a continuous and pre-existing effort within the GLS to create a playing field as even as possible for dueling. Unless Nooey himself has an issue, I will bother with this no further. Any explanations on rules interpretation provided to third parties are more than adequate. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.20 13:43:00 - [124] "No you are misinterpreting the rules. The optionl rules are not to be followed or not based on personal preference, they are to be decided by both participants prior to the duel at which point they become part of the rules." I don't see anything in these rules stating something to such effect. If you can't write duel rules in clear manner, that's your problem and no one else's. And since you're at the same time a participant in duel and author of these rules, any post-fact interpretations you provide are dubious, at best, and look like pathetic wriggling at worst. "In any case I don't see Nooey complaining and I am sure he does not need rules lawyers to get this done." Am sure he also doesn't need your false concern over 'if he would possibly try to back out of duel on technicalities'. Trying to publicly pin one's own cowardice to the other side involved in duel... that comes as low as it can go. Just shut up on the matter and get on with fight. Or admit you have no guts for it, rather than look for excuses.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 13:54:00 - [125] The duel is scheduled for tomorrow, Sunday the 21st at 22:00 EVE standard time. The location will be close to Kaaputenen (this is not arbitrary, I tried to split the distance between where I hand out and Omerta HQ, since I don't really know where Nooey is). If the location is not convenient Nooey can let me know about it. The exact loactions will be revealed to the paying viewers prior to the duel. I strongly recommend that you are in the area at least 30 minutes prior to the duel start time, so that you can easily travel to the designated location. Having said this, the tickets are now on sale. Forwards payments of 50000 ISK per person to me. If you purhase more than one ticket or buying a ticket for somebody else please make sure that you include their exact pilot callsign. In the event that the duel is cancelled or one of the participants fails to appear or forfeits, full ticket price refunds will be made, but travel time and expances will not be refunded. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.05.20 13:58:00 - [126] To be honest the Glamour Syndicate dueling rules have offended my sense of honour Shemar. They are obviously intended to allow cowardly dogs to walk away from challenges on their bellies under the covering fire of legal suits rather than ensuring a prompt and satisfying exchange of weapons fire. Therefore I'd like to challenge you to a duel as well! And before we get a load of belly-aching about the loss of crews and inhumane nature of the thing, yes, I'm very happy to fly an Interceptor against you so its nobody else's life at stake in the thing. Here's my rules. 2 of us warp to a planet in a 0.0 system. Only one ship comes back. The end. _________________
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2006.05.20 13:59:00 - [127] Stop trying to wriggle out of the duel Shemar! Selling tickets won't save you! grins
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 14:00:00 - [128] Originally by: j0sephine If you can't write duel rules in clear manner, that's your problem and no one else's. And since you're at the same time a participant in duel and author of these rules, any post-fact interpretations you provide are dubious, at best, and look like pathetic wriggling at worst. The rules are written and being used by reasonable concenting adults looking for a fair fight, not people looking to twist them for an advantage. If in your head "If I feel like it I reveal my ship but if I don't I keep it a secret" makes more sense than "Either we both reveal our ships or neither does" as a rule that's your problem. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 14:04:00 - [129] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine To be honest the Glamour Syndicate dueling rules have offended my sense of honour Shemar. They are obviously intended to allow cowardly dogs to walk away from challenges on their bellies under the covering fire of legal suits rather than ensuring a prompt and satisfying exchange of weapons fire. I gave Nooey the option to change any of these rules. He did not take it. End of story. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Therefore I'd like to challenge you to a duel as well! And before we get a load of belly-aching about the loss of crews and inhumane nature of the thing, yes, I'm very happy to fly an Interceptor against you so its nobody else's life at stake in the thing. Here's my rules. 2 of us warp to a planet in a 0.0 system. Only one ship comes back. The end. I don't fly interceptors. A duel with you has very little commercial value and even if it did, I am not stupid enough to announce my scheduled presence in a low sec or 0.0 system. I have nothing to gain by dueling you. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 14:08:00 - [130] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Stop trying to wriggle out of the duel Shemar! Selling tickets won't save you! grins Hahaha! You know it's all about the bottom line Kaleigh ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.05.20 14:26:00 - [131] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 20/05/2006 14:26:22 Originally by: Shemar I don't fly interceptors. A duel with you has very little commercial value and even if it did, I am not stupid enough to announce my scheduled presence in a low sec or 0.0 system. I have nothing to gain by dueling you. I'd be happy to use a larger ship you can fly Shemar. And really, I suspect you overvalue your own reputation grotesquely if you think there'd be many people waiting to eliminate you the moment you arrived in a 0.0 system. 0.0 is not the terrifying hive of bloodshed and arbitary instant murder you seem to think it is Shemar, if you'd paid a little more attention during those Starfraction orientation lectures you might know this Anyway, my challenge is not about your financial bottom line Shemar. Its because I think you're a big fat legalistic poltroon trying to wriggle and worm your way out of what should be a pretty simple engagement. If you don't have the courage to fight then fair enough. I think people can draw their own conclusions as to your worth henceafter. Don't say I never gave you the chance to step up though _________________
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2006.05.20 14:49:00 - [132] Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 20/05/2006 14:50:31 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine And really, I suspect you overvalue your own reputation grotesquely if you think there'd be many people waiting to eliminate you the moment you arrived in a 0.0 system. 0.0 is not the terrifying hive of bloodshed and arbitary instant murder you seem to think it is Shemar, if you'd paid a little more attention during those Starfraction orientation lectures you might know this But dear Jasmine, 0.0 is where such vile villains as the dreadful Intaki of the Syndicate live! It must be an atrocious dump!
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 14:58:00 - [133] Following the rules agreed upon, especially after I have done my part is not too much to ask Jasmine. I am sure Nooey is not that petty anyway and the point is moot. As for dueling you, Jasmine, you missed the entire point. I have nothing to gain. Say I kill your ship, so what? Where is the profit? Where is the incentive to go to all the trouble and risk resources? I certainly don't have strong enough feelings about you to make it worth my time just for the pure satisfaction of it. If you want a fair duel in high sec, so people can freely attend and I can sell tickets and take bets and are willing to wait a couple of weeks so that viewers do not get flooded with new material and lose interest, I'll give you your duel. And the rules do provide for not disclosing what ship you will fly, all you have to do is ask for that option before agreeing to a set of options, if me knowing what you will fly is such a big threat to you. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 15:05:00 - [134] Originally by: GoGo Yubari But dear Jasmine, 0.0 is where such vile villains as the dreadful Intaki of the Syndicate live! It must be an atrocious dump! Jasmine knows very well that I have spent time in 0.0. I still have assets up in the North. I am quite capable of going anywhere I want but frankly I don't see the incentive. As for "And really, I suspect you overvalue your own reputation grotesquely if you think there'd be many people waiting to eliminate you" it's funny coming from the woman wanting to shoot me on a topic about another man also going to great lengths to shoot me. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.20 15:39:00 - [135] "The rules are written and being used by reasonable concenting adults looking for a fair fight, not people looking to twist them for an advantage. If in your head "If I feel like it I reveal my ship but if I don't I keep it a secret" makes more sense than "Either we both reveal our ships or neither does" as a rule that's your problem." Being able to provide your opponent with information abot ship you plan to use or to withold it from them, while leaving them full choice if they reciprocate... allows for simple and very flexible set of handicaps applied to fight. Considerably more broad than "i'll show you mine if you show me yours" mindest that dominates playgrounds. Hardly a problem, and far from something too complicated for the 'reasonable adult' to grasp...
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 15:48:00 - [136] Edited by: Shemar on 20/05/2006 15:52:50 The rules are designed for fair fights, not providing handicaps to either side. The issue never came up with any of the duels arranged within GLS and allies. I do not disagree that if I wanted to safe-guard against people trying to abuse the rules we would have to make the writing a lot more specific and complicated, but frankly I have no interestd in dealing with or catering to people who would do that. Edit: And even assuming it could make sense in a friendly duel, how could it possibly make sense in a hostile one and why would I ever willingly give Nooey an advantage? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.20 15:52:00 - [137] Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Stop trying to wriggle out of the duel Shemar! Selling tickets won't save you! grins Hahaha! You know it's all about the bottom line Kaleigh The bottom line? How Caldari of you. Your next step is giving up those absurd notoions of 'fanshion' you have for those ugly costumes you people wear, and the garbage you smear all over your face. Makeup, what a joke. Are the 'pretty' Gallente so ugly that they need help fixing themselves?
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 15:55:00 - [138] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Your next step is giving up those absurd notoions of 'fanshion' you have for those ugly costumes you people wear, and the garbage you smear all over your face. Makeup, what a joke. Are the 'pretty' Gallente so ugly that they need help fixing themselves? I am a fan of the natural look personally. Jeans and a t-shirt is what you will usually find me in and don't even get me started on any kind of chemical on my skin or hair. I never touch the stuff. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.20 16:33:00 - [139] "The rules are designed for fair fights, not providing handicaps to either side. (..) Edit: And even assuming it could make sense in a friendly duel, how could it possibly make sense in a hostile one and why would I ever willingly give Nooey an advantage?" For the very reason you claim to be most crucial to you -- to ensure 'fair fight'. That's what handicaps are for. It's rare for both combatants to be equally skilled. Are you telling me if you were to duel someone you know to be considerably weaker, you wouldn't grant them such handicap to even the odds?
Marie Trudeau	Posted - 2006.05.20 17:15:00 - [140] Edited by: Marie Trudeau on 20/05/2006 17:15:32 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Makeup, what a joke. Are the 'pretty' Gallente so ugly that they need help fixing themselves? Marie Trudeau coughs. Excuse me?* I've never heard any Caldari man complain about my own choice of cosmetics before, to be honest ... ---------------------------
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.20 17:29:00 - [141] Edited by: j0sephine on 20/05/2006 17:30:06 "I've never heard any Caldari man complain about my own choice of cosmetics before, to be honest ... " Well, i've heard a few complaints coming from Caldari men, who happened to find out the hard way considerable amounts of make up and liquor can make one confused about gender of Gallente winking suggestively from bar corner... but guess that's neither for here nor now... ;s
Amial Starkiel	Posted - 2006.05.20 18:03:00 - [142] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine [...] Here's my rules. 2 of us warp to a planet in a 0.0 system. Only one ship comes back. The end. With the risk of sounding like some Amarr noble, I must say that's just barbaric! Destroying each other's ships (stripped of crew) is one thing. A test of skill, then metal scraps floating in space. I could pay to watch that. Going to 0.0 space must be for one reason only -- to avoid the long arm of the law if you fire on the other's helpless pod. What's the skill in firing at a pod? This kind of "honour" should have been left behind a thousand years ago. Murder is what it is, nothing more nothing less. Don't know either of the combattants or what grudges are involved and it doesn't really matter to me to be honest. But a nice, exiting old-fashioned duel I could enjoy watching. If I wanted to see someone murder another human I'd go get a snuff-reel over the counter at some station bazaar ... /Amial
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.05.20 18:40:00 - [143] I get the feeling Shemar thinks he's going to lose, and getting his face on Galnet as many times as possible before the fight. One does what one must, I guess. -- Originally by: Mephysto come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
Vera Nosfyu	Posted - 2006.05.20 19:12:00 - [144] I cannot help but find it quite ironic that a 5 page thread has spawned as a result of Nooey attempting to get Shemar to shut up. ----------------------------------------------------------- "Violence solves all problems, no man, no problem." --Josef Stalin
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 19:54:00 - [145] Originally by: j0sephine For the very reason you claim to be most crucial to you -- to ensure 'fair fight'. That's what handicaps are for. It's rare for both combatants to be equally skilled. Are you telling me if you were to duel someone you know to be considerably weaker, you wouldn't grant them such handicap to even the odds? Obviously our definition of 'fair fight' differs. For me it means allowing each participant to fight to the outmost of their capabilities not tailoring the rules so that they both have equal chances. In a case where I am dueling a friend we may agree on special rules to offset potential unfairness (although, again, it has never really come up as with friends the duel is about learning not about who wins) but I can't possibly see a reason in a duel with an 'enemy'. I certainly would never ask for an advantage regardless of skill level and I can't of course speak for Nooey but I am pretty sure he is not interested in claiming his skill is inferior to mine, so again the point is moot. Besides, measuring 'skill level' is quite arbitrary. The only possible way to get a comparative mesure would be by compairing which pilot has had their license for longer but there are so many factors that make that unusable as we all bring radically different percentages of skills that are of absolutely no use to a fight. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 20:00:00 - [146] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay I get the feeling Shemar thinks he's going to lose, and getting his face on Galnet as many times as possible before the fight. One does what one must, I guess. Care to put your ISK where your mouth is? I am still taking bets against me ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.20 20:05:00 - [147] Yal has been kind enough to offer me a Thorax Cruiser which I have gratefully accepted with honour. It's now prepared and loaded with Nikolai's special ammunition. Whilst I think Josephine might have pointed out an inconsistency in the rules, I don't need such things to win, they are amusing however. ____
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 20:11:00 - [148] Excellent. I see you did not blindly choose to put your trust in inferior Caldari technology. It will be a glorious fight! ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.05.20 20:11:00 - [149] Edited by: j0sephine on 20/05/2006 20:11:48 "Obviously our definition of 'fair fight' differs. For me it means allowing each participant to fight to the outmost of their capabilities not tailoring the rules so that they both have equal chances. In a case where I am dueling a friend we may agree on special rules to offset potential unfairness (..)" I don't understand; what you say sounds like fighting with no handicap to either side is "fair" to you no matter how big the skill difference of these involved... except when you are dueling a friend, in which case this just-a-second-ago "fair" fight with no handicaps can be considered exactly opposite of "fair", and an offset needs to be introduced to make up for it? You are indeed right, our definitions of "fair" differ quite a bit. Mine doesn't change depending on wheter you like person involved, or not...
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.20 20:15:00 - [150] Originally by: j0sephine I don't understand; what you say sounds like fighting with no handicap to either side is "fair" to you no matter how big the skill difference of these involved... except when you are dueling a friend, in which case this just-a-second-ago "fair" fight with no handicaps can be considered exactly opposite of "fair", and an offset needs to be introduced to make up for it? You are indeed right, our definitions of "fair" differ quite a bit. Mine doesn't change depending on wheter you like person involved, or not... Don't twist what I said. I have never fought a duel where any of the participants asked for any kind of handicap, nor have I ever considered it. If a friend of measurable lower capabilities asked me to modify the rules to give him an unfair advantage so that he would have a better chance of winning I would consider it, although, again, it has never come up and I still don't see why anyone would ask for that. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Nooey	Posted - 2006.05.20 20:52:00 - [151] Originally by: Shemar I see you did not blindly choose to put your trust in inferior Caldari technology. Actually, it's to show you how to properly use one. ____
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.05.20 21:38:00 - [152] Edited by: Kitty O''Shay on 20/05/2006 21:38:27 Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Kitty O'Shay I get the feeling Shemar thinks he's going to lose, and getting his face on Galnet as many times as possible before the fight. One does what one must, I guess. Care to put your ISK where your mouth is? I am still taking bets against me 500k on Nooey, to be covered by Shemar. I would expect that to be sufficient to cover the entrance fee, since you're sure you'll win. I'd love to watch, but since CONCORD and I don't see eye-to-eye on what's a valid target, I'll be content with a FTL feed. Edit: embarassing grammer. -- Originally by: Mephysto come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
Lygos	Posted - 2006.05.21 00:07:00 - [153] I suspect there will be more posts in this thread than there will be bullets exchanged on TQ.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.21 00:14:00 - [154] Originally by: Shemar Excellent. I see you did not blindly choose to put your trust in inferior Caldari technology. It will be a glorious fight! Or he could fit the finest the State has to offer, and slaughter you mercilessly. If he wants to draw it out, we aren't going to stop him. You'll just suffer longer.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.21 00:31:00 - [155] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Or he could fit the finest the State has to offer, and slaughter you mercilessly. If he wants to draw it out, we aren't going to stop him. You'll just suffer longer. Perhaps you'd care to back that up with the Caldari cruiser of your choice? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.05.21 01:36:00 - [156] So, are you covering my bet or not? Or do I have come with the shooty-shooty too? -- Originally by: Mephysto come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.21 02:28:00 - [157] Your bet is covered, yes ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Ly'sol	Posted - 2006.05.21 09:23:00 - [158] <commands his computer to replace shemars voice with "Dodger Roo of the planet vaRooo" the cartoon and "Buck Tuckly the space Ducky" and finds the mindless chatter less annoying >
Yuki Li	Posted - 2006.05.21 14:18:00 - [159] Quote: Perhaps you'd care to back that up with the Caldari cruiser of your choice? A Caldari cruiser would wipe the floor with your silly Thorax, if fitted correctly. And you don't want to question me on that. Website / Forums / Recruiting
Mebrithiel Ju'wien	Posted - 2006.05.21 14:30:00 - [160] Originally by: Yuki Li Quote: Perhaps you'd care to back that up with the Caldari cruiser of your choice? A Caldari cruiser would wipe the floor with your silly Thorax, if fitted correctly. And you don't want to question me on that. No-one would question you Yuki - I fail to see though why you'd point out the obvious. All cruisers can wipe targets out if fitted correctly. Hell, I reckon a well fitted blackbird could take on a Megathron quite nicely.
Steiner	Posted - 2006.05.21 16:42:00 - [161] I'm going to place a normal bet on Nooey, 10m to be covered by Shemar, right? The other 20m on the pod will just go to Nooey when he *****s the egg. ---
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.21 16:50:00 - [162] 10 million ISK on Nooey. Covered. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Rana Ash	Posted - 2006.05.21 17:34:00 - [163] Lots and lots of chatter, i do hope this fight will be a fair and decent one. And most of all that there will be no sore loosers ¦on Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details lyret dedreen
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.21 17:56:00 - [164] The premium access to the duel is now activated. Those of you who have paid for tickets or have been promised VIP access can log on to channel GLSDuel. Ticket sales will continue until just before the start of the duel. For any problems regarding access contact me via EVE-Mail. Private conversations will automatically be rejected from now until the end of the duel. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.21 22:49:00 - [165] The duel took place in front of a live audience and was broadcast live for all GEN premium and pay-per-view subscribers. The winner is Shemar. No objections as to the result were filed so the result is deemed final. Stay tuned for the release of the battle in holoreel format. Steiner, I will be expecting your payment of 10 million ISK. Feel free to verify the result with DeadRow who oversaw the duel or Nooey himself. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
DeadRow	Posted - 2006.05.21 22:53:00 - [166] Was a very good fight- Well played shemar.
Jacq d'Luna	Posted - 2006.05.21 23:04:00 - [167] Well. That was certainly an interesting episode. I eagerly await the holoreel release. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Tarsha Listur	Posted - 2006.05.22 06:33:00 - [168] well done shem Quote: Kalahari Wayrest :F*** noobs, they cause lag!
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.05.22 06:40:00 - [169] Laughs maniacally then collects himself Shemar I see you beat a impudent child, when your ready to fight on a grander scale let me know 'til then your on borrowed time old friend.
Plan Neun	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:13:00 - [170] I wanna congratulate the winner , and hope we can see a video of the duel in near future. Darn that i didnt bet. I would have won money. "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Steiner	Posted - 2006.05.22 10:18:00 - [171] Well, I betted on the one that I wanted to win, can't winn all the time I guess. I will transfer the money and check the holoreel once I am back from my vacation. ---
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:32:00 - [172] Originally by: Shemar Following the rules agreed upon, especially after I have done my part is not too much to ask Jasmine. I am sure Nooey is not that petty anyway and the point is moot. As for dueling you, Jasmine, you missed the entire point. I have nothing to gain. Say I kill your ship, so what? Where is the profit? Where is the incentive to go to all the trouble and risk resources? I certainly don't have strong enough feelings about you to make it worth my time just for the pure satisfaction of it. If you want a fair duel in high sec, so people can freely attend and I can sell tickets and take bets and are willing to wait a couple of weeks so that viewers do not get flooded with new material and lose interest, I'll give you your duel. And the rules do provide for not disclosing what ship you will fly, all you have to do is ask for that option before agreeing to a set of options, if me knowing what you will fly is such a big threat to you. Okay then. Agreed. We can use your hisec security flagging bypass to fight in Hisec if you like and you can make whatever you like of the proceedings Shemar. We can certainly wait a couple of weeks. I would like no prior declaration of ship types or module category limitations obviously. I'm happy to call it non-faction tech1 cruisers as the engagement. I would prefer a random engagement range 15-80 as the start point and this can be achieved by simply simultaneously picking a warp in distance while moving to the same celestial object. Please let me know how you feel about this and lets talk about a potential date. _________________
James Duar	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:48:00 - [173] I'd be interested to meet the fool who crews cruisers flown by you people.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:27:00 - [174] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Okay then. Agreed. We can use your hisec security flagging bypass to fight in Hisec if you like and you can make whatever you like of the proceedings Shemar. We can certainly wait a couple of weeks. I would like no prior declaration of ship types or module category limitations obviously. I'm happy to call it non-faction tech1 cruisers as the engagement. I would prefer a random engagement range 15-80 as the start point and this can be achieved by simply simultaneously picking a warp in distance while moving to the same celestial object. Please let me know how you feel about this and lets talk about a potential date. I agree on principle Jasmine. I do have a couple of issues, one that my preferred dueling style is now known to you and two that the actual ticket sales were a bit dissapointing. We can fix one if you agree to known ship types or are willing to wait a bit so I can figure out and possibly train something different. Number two is really my problem and since I did offer you a duel I won't back out on account of that. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:43:00 - [175] Originally by: Lucian Alucard Shemar I see you beat a impudent child, when your ready to fight on a grander scale let me know 'til then your on borrowed time old friend. sighs I guess I shouldn't be surprised that more people want in... Let's wait and see if I still have a crew willing to do this, after my duel with Jasmine and if I can make this in any way financially viable (the only reason the current show was profitable was the bets people took against me) and we'll talk. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Marie Trudeau	Posted - 2006.05.22 13:30:00 - [176] Is there any synopsis of the battle available? ---------------------------
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.22 14:16:00 - [177] I avoid talking about it Marie because I am not really into bragging, it's done and over with. The holoreel will come with commentary from me and, if Nooey wishes to provide his own perspective, Nooey also, for those interested enough to pay the 10k price. Nooey, if you do feel like writing a short text describing the duel from your point of view, send it to me and I will include it in the product, unedited and uncensored. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.05.22 19:38:00 - [178] Originally by: Shemar I agree on principle Jasmine. I do have a couple of issues, one that my preferred dueling style is now known to you and two that the actual ticket sales were a bit dissapointing. We can fix one if you agree to known ship types or are willing to wait a bit so I can figure out and possibly train something different. Number two is really my problem and since I did offer you a duel I won't back out on account of that. I think its fair to say that you and I both now have publicly-known duelling styles Shemar, and lets face it, we are both Gallente born and bred and such tastes and pecadillos in starship options leave little room for surprise. Still, I do believe that an element of risk and excitement is essential for the true practise of honourable restitution so in the interests of better stimulating your anticipations in this regard I'd strongly suggest we refrain from prior discussion of ship hull type against the possibility that one or both of us decide at the last minute to abandon the luxurious lines and mod cons of gallente starship engineering and decide to slum the occassion in something of retro polished brass styling, something made of spars and spare parts or indeed the multi-angled kitsch the Caldari seem to love. Or to cut a long story short. Its likely to be a Thorax lets face it, just as I imagine you are likely to pilot one as well. But lets keep the mystery and leave one or both of us the option of surprising the other. Racial ECM and specific anti ship tactics are powerful but power should go with risk in this regard, and if one feels like gambling on the outcomes with choice in technology then lets ensure there is actually a gamble to be had, no? Quote: I do assume that you agree to the GLS maintaining all viewership, audiovisual property and betting rights to the event. smiles I think you might be a little disappointed in the confidence a galnet undertaking from a notorious anarchist guerrilla corporation of outlaws and scoundrels might give you in the intellectual property rights courts in the federation Shemar ... but as you wish, of course I'm happy for you to sell the holovids. By the by, if you are a little worried by the profit you stand to make then I can suggest a side bet between the two of us to the tune of shall we say ... 200m isk? I'd imagine a seasoned and successful duellist of your calibre would feel mightily confident after despatching the last challenger mr Shemar - why not spice the occassion further with a sensible wager. _________________
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.22 20:20:00 - [179] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I think you might be a little disappointed in the confidence a galnet undertaking from a notorious anarchist guerrilla corporation of outlaws and scoundrels might give you in the intellectual property rights courts in the federation Shemar It seems I have more faith in your word than you Jasmine, as your word is all I need, I do not expect you to go back on it. Originally by: Jasmine Constantine By the by, if you are a little worried by the profit you stand to make then I can suggest a side bet between the two of us to the tune of shall we say ... 200m isk? I'd imagine a seasoned and successful duellist of your calibre would feel mightily confident after despatching the last challenger mr Shemar - why not spice the occassion further with a sensible wager. I am beginning to wonder Jasmine, if you are trying to con a simple photographer out of his hard earned cash. A wager is quite different from profit and I have no illusions as to our comparative skill levels. Taking bets against me vs. Nooey was a reasonable business decision. A duel against you is far less likely to end in my favor and I do not feel it is a sound investment. I am smart enough to not let this one event go to my head and to know that there is very little margin between a convincing victory and utter defeat. In other words, my ego is much cheaper than 200m I guess we might as well go ahead and schedule the duel for two weeks from now then. Sunday, 20:00? I live in Sinq Laison now, so I leave it up to you to find a relatively close spot that is also convenient for you. Just one more thing Jasmine... since you agreed to the GLS duelling procedure (except the initial range determination), why exactly do you want to fight me? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.05.22 21:59:00 - [180] Originally by: Marie Trudeau Is there any synopsis of the battle available? From what I could gather over FTL, since I wasn't there in person: Rail-o-rax w/ ECM drones vs. Blaster-rax = Nooey never got got a shot off. -- Originally by: Mephysto come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.22 22:08:00 - [181] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Date/time seems fine. As for the place, I'd prefer a place within half a dozen jumps of Rens if we are doing the empire thing. Ideally not too busy a system to keep the ship responsiveness up. ... And I frankly can't resist a fight. Very well, I can arrange that. I will send you the location a couple of days prior so you can set up at your leisure. Frankly, the only reason I am fighting you Jasmine is because I said I would and I don't go back on my word (even though if I wanted to get technical I could reject your random initial range clause), so I intend to keep this one low key. I honestly do not see any potential for profit or personal satisfaction and I intend to put the lives of my crew above my ego, if and when it comes to that. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.22 22:10:00 - [182] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay From what I could gather over FTL, since I wasn't there in person: Rail-o-rax w/ ECM drones vs. Blaster-rax = Nooey never got got a shot off. Just to correct the facts, since people seem intent on talking about it, Nooey's blasterax was using the ECM drones. The reason he did not get a shot is because I stayed out of his range. I barely got any shots myself as I was jammed for the most part. My combat drones were the only thing doing damage. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.05.22 22:14:00 - [183] You are quite within your rights to warp away if it comes to that Shemar of course. And technically (if indeed we are being technical) the whole basis of mutual acceptance of arbitary rules sets is no binding legalistic treatise simply an agreement between spacers to do things in a particular way. While you were in nowise bound to accept my challenge its wrong to cite legal technicalities as an option since such things very literally do not exist. Anyways, I'll look forward to the contest and goddess willing there'll be no foolish loss of life and an entertaining engagement beyond. _________________
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.05.22 22:16:00 - [184] Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Kitty O'Shay From what I could gather over FTL, since I wasn't there in person: Rail-o-rax w/ ECM drones vs. Blaster-rax = Nooey never got got a shot off. Just to correct the facts, since people seem intent on talking about it, Nooey's blasterax was using the ECM drones. The reason he did not get a shot is because I stayed out of his range. I barely got any shots myself as I was jammed for the most part. My combat drones were the only thing doing damage. My apologies, I was going on what I heard over FTL, the bits and pieces left me to string that together. Regardless, sounds like it would've been fun to actually see. -- Originally by: Mephysto come on, solo-mining in a 0.4 system? Its wrong NOT to pod you...
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.22 22:27:00 - [185] No problem Kitty, I know you were just trying to be helpful ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.23 02:42:00 - [186] The holoreel of the duel is now available. Due to the relative lack of action it has been decided to provide it as part of the basic GEN services and not as a premium service. All subscribers can access it here. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
DiNoer	Posted - 2006.05.23 06:40:00 - [187] Edited by: DiNoer on 23/05/2006 06:40:59 Magical lolzor-lollypops handed out to both parties. GF Now kiss and make up... erph shake hands! La prospTritT de l'Gme libre La prospTritT de la fTdTration
Takitoo	Posted - 2006.05.23 06:58:00 - [188] I want a lolzor-lollipop. ___________________________
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.05.23 07:31:00 - [189] winks at Helena If you come over tonight love I will let you have mine.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.05.23 07:57:00 - [190] Uh...that's just not right...I'm not sure how...but something is very, very wrong there... -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Hope Troja	Posted - 2006.05.23 08:38:00 - [191] Well I'm glad thatÆs finally over, its a shame that two very intelligent speakers of the Summit can't settle disputes peacefully but when push comes to shove actions speak louder than words. Nooey seems to be honouring his agreement and Shemar is refraining from gloating. I believe theyÆve both gained something from this.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2006.05.23 09:03:00 - [192] Originally by: Hope Troja Well I'm glad thatÆs finally over, its a shame that two very intelligent speakers of the Summit can't settle disputes peacefully but when push comes to shove actions speak louder than words. Nooey seems to be honouring his agreement and Shemar is refraining from gloating. I believe theyÆve both gained something from this. a warrior of weapons or words fights tirelessly for famous victories. Once foiled however, thier names are stricken from books of honor and respect. When push comes to shove madame troja, People will often fight over nothing at all. its not that they can't handle a dispute, its because they are mearly human...
Tarsha Listur	Posted - 2006.05.23 10:11:00 - [193] Originally by: Hope Troja Nooey seems to be honouring his agreement and Shemar is refraining from gloating. I believe theyÆve both gained something from this. means we can get some peace too hehe
Amial Starkiel	Posted - 2006.05.23 16:03:00 - [194] A wonderful duel! Thanks to both duellists. I found I was missing the close-in battles from Johnny D. Wrayne's movies though... -- that's real life for you, I suppose. Top notch entertainment, excellent to find the feed as a free offering too! Didn't expect that. /Amial
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.23 21:17:00 - [195] I wonder how Nooey is taking this rather humiliating loss. I hope he's keeping quiet because he's being noble and owning up to his end of the bargin, because I fear there could be other explanations for why he's so silent. I just hope Yuki isn't teasing him. If this or similar happened to Yuki or I while we were Reikoku pilots, the mass jeering and and alliance wide humiliation would have amounted to ritual suicide, I'm sure. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.05.23 23:59:00 - [196] I should think that he's either arranging his own death, or packing up to leave. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Karn Mithralia	Posted - 2006.05.24 04:27:00 - [197] Well done Shemar, I'm not at all suprised you won. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:44:00 - [198] I would like to thank all those that supported me, either verbally or financially (by betting against me ) I would also like to reiterate that duels do not prove or change anything. I have always maintained that and my opinion has not shifted just because I won one. As far as I am concerned, we just put on a show and made GLS (and me personally) some money. My thanks ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Dheen Heph	Posted - 2006.05.25 16:49:00 - [199] Congratulations, Shemar. I was hoping you would be victorious, and you didn't disappoint.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.28 03:19:00 - [200] I can't help but get a laugh at the whole disuse of "inferior Caldari technology", but Shemar's ships used railguns, which are very much a Caldari weapon, whereas Nooey used Blasters, a Gallente weapon. Oh the amusement in looking back at some of these comments.
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.28 04:02:00 - [201] I was expecting it to be a typical Thorax blaster stand-off, which is why I voiced no objection to Nooey's loadout choice when he mentioned it in passing. And it really is their thing anyway, so I'd rather not get too involved in it. I think Shemar proved that he has some degree of smarts (however small that measurement may be), and since he was under Nooey's command before, I didn't think it was entirely impossible for this to happen, even if I did put my faith in poor Nooey. Anyway, I don't personally believe duels prove anything. They only briefly settle disputes maybe - and I'm sure some people have enjoyed the relative peace and quiet. (Also, I do find what Zenobia-haan pointed out to be slightly amusing, even though railgun technology is shared between the two nations). Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Sicex	Posted - 2006.05.28 10:49:00 - [202] Edited by: Sicex on 28/05/2006 10:49:51 Quote: I wonder how Nooey is taking this rather humiliating loss. Nooey has no doubt been crying like a baby after such a humiliating defeat... Defeated by range , Nooey I'll teach ya how to fly a cruiser sometime. And Shemar showed smarts?... hmm, um, well at least he's cute.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.05.28 11:00:00 - [203] I would expect that Nooey is packing up to leave, but it seems that Omerta hasn't yet bothered to eject him...you should really get around to that, don't want to give him mixed messages or anything. Unless of course he has chosen to end his life as a member of O-Syn, which would be perfectly honorable and understandable. -------- Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2006.05.28 11:57:00 - [204] Originally by: Sicex And Shemar showed smarts?... hmm, um, well at least he's cute. Ehm... Well... Err... Sicex... We need to talk... Though I must say it would be unfair to say anything other than that under those rules Shemar applied his greys nicely. I still am curious to know how he'll do in engagements where he doesn't know what he's facing, though. That's my one disappointment with this whole affair.
Marie Trudeau	Posted - 2006.05.28 11:57:00 - [205] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I can't help but get a laugh at the whole disuse of "inferior Caldari technology", but Shemar's ships used railguns, which are very much a Caldari weapon, whereas Nooey used Blasters, a Gallente weapon. Oh the amusement in looking back at some of these comments. Indeed, it's very amusing to see people characterize railguns, for which Gallente ships have specific performance enhancements to the same degree as they do for blasters, as "Caldari wepaons". Sheesh, some people! Don't you agree? ---------------------------
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.28 12:03:00 - [206] Malthros and Kyoko: This kind of thinking is exactly what will destroy the Caldari in the event of a war, just as it cost Nooey dearly. It does not matter how effective a typical ship loadout is, when it becomes predicatble it is doomed to fail. The Thorax cruiser is not the best cruiser because it can be loaded with blasters for extreme damage output, it is the best cruiser becaue of it's unmatched tactical flexibility. In any case, if you really think that any Caldari cruiser can match it, feel free to ask for a tryout. As for the petty comments Kyoko, I will leave the judgement of each side's behavior before and after the duel to others. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.28 12:04:00 - [207] Originally by: Sicex And Shemar showed smarts?... hmm, um, well at least he's cute. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2006.05.28 12:12:00 - [208] Originally by: Shemar The Thorax cruiser is not the best cruiser because it can be loaded with blasters for extreme damage output, it is the best cruiser becaue of it's unmatched tactical flexibility. Is that so? Bring a Thorax and I'll bring you a surprise. (No, not ECM.) Up for it?
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.28 12:24:00 - [209] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Is that so? Bring a Thorax and I'll bring you a surprise. (No, not ECM.) Up for it? That is quite one sided Tatsue and just illustrates my point that under equal terms the Thorax is unmatched. I am sure there are ways to defeat a Thorax with a generic by necessity setup, using a very specialized setup and the knowledge of what you are facing as an advantage. The Thorax is good, but it is not 'that' good. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Tarsha Listur	Posted - 2006.05.28 13:28:00 - [210] personally i like the fact both races can use blasters and rails, its shows a common ancestry of our cutural development
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2006.05.28 13:40:00 - [211] Well Shemar, I'd let you know what I'd be flying... Because quite simply: Rax blaster fit = dead. Rax rail fit = dead. Rax drone-and-run fit = dead. Easily defeated by ECM of course, but I can't think of any other way to beat it with a Rax in a one-versus-one scenario. My point, of course, being that labelling the Rax as a superior tool because it can alternate between close and long range fits, or slow high-power or fast low-power fits is... Well... Something all cruisers can do and the Rax is not best at it.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.28 13:46:00 - [212] I am a bit confused here, are we on or not? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Tatsue Nuko	Posted - 2006.05.28 13:59:00 - [213] With my uncertain schedules: if you want to come to Curse, definitely. If not, we'll have to see when I can actually get into empire.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.28 15:02:00 - [214] I am too lazy to come to curse I am not sure there is a point since you already told me how to beat you, although there is always the possibility you are bluffing, but if you feel like a friendly test let me know ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.28 15:02:00 - [215] Originally by: Marie Trudeau Indeed, it's very amusing to see people characterize railguns, for which Gallente ships have specific performance enhancements to the same degree as they do for blasters, as "Caldari wepaons". Sheesh, some people! Don't you agree? When people want an effective rail frig, they go harpy, when they want an effective rail cruiser, they go eagle. When you want a Battleship that really shows you how to use railguns, you go with... well, lets just say the ship you'd goo with Rocs. Railguns are made for death from afar, and we show you how to get that done. When you want superior firepower, you go Caldari, when you want to get up close and personal, and/or use extremely buggy weaponry, you go blasters and drones, the Gallente way.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.28 15:04:00 - [216] A thorax is unmatched in flexibility? You think the Moa is a one trick pony? The Caracal is, but a well tanked Caracal can take down a blaster thorax, let alone a less damage intensive railship. And you won't be hitting very well from a Caracal's optimal in a thorax.
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.28 15:07:00 - [217] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia blah blah blah The Gallente way is to use what will kill you most efficiently and our ships are made to accomodate that. We don't need to read "ship fittings for dummies", that's your thing. It makes me extremely happy to see you unable to grasp basic warfare concepts. Please maintain your current though patterns. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Marie Trudeau	Posted - 2006.05.28 15:53:00 - [218] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Marie Trudeau Indeed, it's very amusing to see people characterize railguns, for which Gallente ships have specific performance enhancements to the same degree as they do for blasters, as "Caldari wepaons". Sheesh, some people! Don't you agree? When people want an effective rail frig, they go harpy, when they want an effective rail cruiser, they go eagle. When you want a Battleship that really shows you how to use railguns, you go with... well, lets just say the ship you'd goo with Rocs. Railguns are made for death from afar, and we show you how to get that done. When you want superior firepower, you go Caldari, when you want to get up close and personal, and/or use extremely buggy weaponry, you go blasters and drones, the Gallente way. People like you make me think that the Federation has a good chance against the State in the upcoming conflagrations, despite being outnumbered, to be honest. The key thing to understand about Gallente ships, Malthros, is that they are flexible. You can use rails or blasters and receive the same augmented results either way. Certain Gallente ships work extremely well with railguns, such as the Taranis, the Enyo and, yes, the Thorax. Assuming that your Gallente foe is using blasters can lead to a quick death, in fact. ---------------------------
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2006.05.28 21:13:00 - [219] Originally by: Shemar As for the petty comments Kyoko, I will leave the judgement of each side's behavior before and after the duel to others. That's probably best, because heavens knows I've tried to completely sweep off your accomplishment as worthless. Meaningless in the grand scheme of things, maybe, but not worthless. I don't like you, sure, but that means you should be all the more glad you got any decent commentary out of me. This event was supposed to shut people up, but it hasn't done that yet. So let's shut up already. Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com
Shemar	Posted - 2006.05.28 23:01:00 - [220] As far as I am concerned this event was about using Nooey's desire to shoot me, to make some money. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Jon Engel	Posted - 2006.05.29 01:56:00 - [221] hmmm, Sorry to say, but I suspected Shemar would win this from the beginning. Usually the hot headed and anxious folk loose the fight in the end. I was considering betting 50 million on Shemar when this fiasco started, but I didnt want to risk it. Too bad though, I wouldve been right to do so. Just goes to show you. Hybrids kill dem fast.
Shintoko Akahoshi	Posted - 2006.06.01 03:30:00 - [222] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I would expect that Nooey is packing up to leave, but it seems that Omerta hasn't yet bothered to eject him...you should really get around to that, don't want to give him mixed messages or anything. Unless of course he has chosen to end his life as a member of O-Syn, which would be perfectly honorable and understandable. See, that's the difference between our two organizations - where you see a failed pilot, we see a pilot in need of a Moa... The Red Mom of WarÖ
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2006.06.01 04:11:00 - [223] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi See, that's the difference between our two organizations - where you see a failed pilot, we see a pilot in need of a Moa... Are you sure dear? Quote: An interesting move for you Kaleigh. Perfectly timed as well, as I need a new Thorax. Maybe its just that... Quote: Actually, it's to show you how to properly use one. grins
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.06.01 08:03:00 - [224] And this why I chose to learn how to fly all ships and not just one or two races. But then again most people consider me a filthy pirate due a lack of racial loyalty and a general disdain for things resembling order.
Rellik B00n	Posted - 2006.06.01 23:33:00 - [225] .............................. . ......... ....................... ......................................... .......................... 8 pages of this ** and you havnt even managed to fight each other? Its like eunuch p0rn, lots of build up but you know theres not going to be any real action. . are you famous? click here to view my kills**
DeadRow	Posted - 2006.06.01 23:39:00 - [226] Just how much you know then. Iirc they had the fight about 2 weeks ago /My posts/opinions are my own and do not reflect opinions/posts of my corp.
Rellik B00n	Posted - 2006.06.02 05:48:00 - [227] thanks for the newsflash, I wasnt trawling thru 8 pages of chest beating to find out. so who won? are you famous? click here to view my kills
Shemar	Posted - 2006.06.02 10:39:00 - [228] There you go: Result Report Duel Holoreel ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision

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