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Let us try and keep on topic with this one guys. You might ask something like, without Ratts in the belts you encourage AFK mining what might your trade off be?

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LOL. "Force miners into nullsec".

The only place you can "force" miners to go is WoW. They're too stubborn and defiant and childish for anything else.

Since belts is no longer the primary source of PVE income for null, there is really no reason to have the battleship spawns anymore.

Since belts is no longer the primary source of PVE income for null, there is really no reason to have the battleship spawns anymore. Reducing the spawn size to frigate, cruisers and battlecruisers. This would make it more durable for miners, while still not promoting AFK mining.

As a twist, faction spawns and officer spawns should still appear in the former glory in both asteroid belts and grav sites, this reduces the average risk but if you are not carefull a faction spawn with escorts will clear the field of any miners that are not carefull.

Well, I'd like to remove static belts, so ratting would have to be moved to anomalies anyway. Guess standard anomalies in 0.0 are too high tier to accommodate the ratting playstyle, so maybe placing System Landmarks instead of static belts that produce ratting content. Those would also provide a opportunity to create uniqueness and maybe hints of history to systems.

So replace static belts with static landmarks, which clutter the overview and are easily camped? Let me think ... nay.

They are easier to camp and raid, especially for roaming gangs. Since you have them in your overview, you can see at a glance the range from your current position and don't need to switch between Dscan and probe scan; thus you can easier determine where people are. As one scenario, but I guess that easier PVP is all well with CCP, who needs to pander all the newbie PVPers out there and make it more accessible.

Your argument has zero substance because static belts are just exactly that *right now*.

LOL. "Force miners into nullsec".

The only place you can "force" miners to go is WoW. They're too stubborn and defiant and childish for anything else.

Get rid of rats in belts and grav sites.

Do miners want them there? I seriously doubt it.

Give belt ratters some ratting equivalent to the belts they'd lose.

The reason I think this would get more miners into null is because without rats, they can mine in as small a ship as they like (with the normal trade-off of mining capacity).

Hesitant miners who might take a small ship out to solo mine simply can't withstand the rats, unless things have changed radically since I was in null belts.

Just an idea.

Might even help low-sec.

I love your posts like this, they set me up for my replies.

Real miners aren't mining just so they can take the ISK, and then do something else with it.

A lot of those who participate in mining, are not real miners.
Mining was just the most convenient obstacle for them to overcome, for their REAL desired play style.
They want, for this reason, to keep mining as simple and 'painless' as possible, so they can get it over with and play their REAL game.

REAL miners want to mine, and play against and with other miners.
Funny enough, getting to mess with enemy miners often involves dealing with things complained about by those viewing mining as an obstacle.

The twisted result?
Real miners LIKE the obstacles to mining, and just want them to be interesting, not removed from the game.

You have NO CLUE what keeps miners out of null.

It have nothing to do with belt rats, that can easily be tanked by an exhumer and killed by the drones from 3-4.

What keeps miners in high sec are the cloaky campers that shut down entire solar systems. AND there is nothing you can do about the cloaky camper. They are 100% invincible.

Null will NEVER be as profitable to mine as high sec, because you spend so much of your time camped into station.