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Callistus	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:29:00 - [1] Patch notes for 3900 to 3908 are up; Linkage. Yay for blaster changes! -------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:31:00 - [2] Yey :D ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:37:00 - [3] Im loving this. Lots of updates and changes going on. This is the way we like it. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Kalaan Oratay	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:39:00 - [4] Thats a whole lot of projectile love ---
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:41:00 - [5] ..and precisions get nerfed yay I say \o/ ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:43:00 - [6] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 15:44:07 Originally by: Grimpak ..and precisions get nerfed yay I say \o/ Yep, i guess it was expected. The old explosion radius was 150 and now its 200. Base damage was 300 and now its 260. Really big blaster changes though. The capacitor need of blasters has been reduced by 30% and the CPU need has been reduced by 15%. Hope this remains balanced. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:45:00 - [7] Surprising how many people are prepared to assume the worst, complain about it noisily and then go suddenly quiet when at least some of their concerns (carriers are broken/no patch til september/drones are bugged) are addressed.
Leandro Salazar	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:46:00 - [8] But where is the Phoon love? The one thing I really really want :/ How hard can it be to change a ship bonus? ___________________________________ Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 15:44:07 Originally by: Grimpak ..and precisions get nerfed yay I say \o/ Yep, i guess it was expected. The old explosion radius was 150 and now its 200. Base damage was 300 and now its 260. Really big blaster changes though. The capacitor need of blasters has been reduced by 30% and the CPU need has been reduced by 15%. Hope this remains balanced. due to the blaster nature I would say that it's a step in the right direction ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Arakasai	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Leandro Salazar But where is the Phoon love? The one thing I really really want :/ How hard can it be to change a ship bonus? Making changes is easy ... it is testing for balance impacts that is hard :) So it is all about prioritization. The changes in this patch were more global. The change you want is time spent for a focused change on a single ship. Not to say it is not important but the other changes positively effect a greater number of people.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Surprising how many people are prepared to assume the worst, complain about it noisily and then go suddenly quiet when at least some of their concerns (carriers are broken/no patch til september/drones are bugged) are addressed. Yeah, i hope we will see some positive responses to this from the ones who whined about this recently in the sticky thread. They havent read it yet i think, its only been up for like five minutes. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Tachy	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:49:00 - [12] Edited by: Tachy on 19/05/2006 15:54:08 Edited by: Tachy on 19/05/2006 15:52:27 Quote: Shuttle icons now display the proper racial backgrounds. A really game saving fix. Quote: Drones will no longer auto-target gang or corp members if that member has been aggressively flagged to you recently. An exploit involving drones has been resolved. What is it you say? As if we would tell you before we fixed it! :) Two things patches with a single removed feature? Quote: Player Owned Structures Yay! Oh, did you forget to write down the control tower bonus fixes? Quote: T2 manufacturing Will we have to repair and repackage partially used tools(R.A.M./R.Db.) now? Quote: Chat fixes Do links still break the chat system completely as they do in the test server? I am missing the info on more changes to the font and the happy message that the overview and reloading bugs are fixed. All in all a nice little patch. Phoon love: Tux already stated that none of the ship changes will make it into the next patch because it is not possible. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Kalaan Oratay Thats a whole lot of projectile love Well, removing cap usage isnt really a big thing i think since they hardly used any to begin with. 10% extra damage for artillery are good though. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Lucian Corvinus	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Leandro Salazar But where is the Phoon love? The one thing I really really want :/ How hard can it be to change a ship bonus? Linkage for phoon ohhh and really like that the precision light missiles become more usefull now with the unnerfing of speed
Nafri	Posted - 2006.05.19 15:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Joerd Toastius Surprising how many people are prepared to assume the worst, complain about it noisily and then go suddenly quiet when at least some of their concerns (carriers are broken/no patch til september/drones are bugged) are addressed. Yeah, i hope we will see some positive responses to this from the ones who whined about this recently in the sticky thread. They havent read it yet i think, its only been up for like five minutes. Most of the info is in ships&modules forum for weeks, also most of the balance stuff wont go into this patch cause CCP wont do any coding for us atm (reason for some of the china rants). Quote: Got some bad news. We can't update any effects. That means that we can't update the new Hawk and Typhoon bonuses. Also limiting the drone control unit to motherships and carriers isn't possible either. The simple attribute changes like the ones on turrets and missiles are good to go though. If you see that some of those things are up for month or years (TomB announced Typhoon change about 2004) and are still delayed, who wont get ****ed? Summertime - Campingtime!
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Joerd Toastius Surprising how many people are prepared to assume the worst, complain about it noisily and then go suddenly quiet when at least some of their concerns (carriers are broken/no patch til september/drones are bugged) are addressed. Yeah, i hope we will see some positive responses to this from the ones who whined about this recently in the sticky thread. They havent read it yet i think, its only been up for like five minutes. Most of the info is in ships&modules forum for weeks, also most of the balance stuff wont go into this patch cause CCP wont do any coding for us atm (reason for some of the china rants). I think it's reasonably safe to assume that the balance stuff listed in the patch notes will go in... and yes, I'm aware that the nature of the changes has been known for a while, but the assumption has been made more than once that they'd been pushed back to Kali in September rather than going out this month. Totally unjustified, as it happens, but it was fuel for flames for a while. It'd just be nice to think that someone, somewhere has taken note of this and had it occur to them that, just maybe, assuming the worst isn't always entirely fair.
Lone Bear	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:05:00 - [17] lot of ♥ for blasters and ♥ ♥ for neutron ones
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Nafri If you see that some of those things are up for month or years (TomB announced Typhoon change about 2004) and are still delayed, who wont get ****ed? Yeah. But i think this week and the one before it has made it clear to the devs what alot of the players want. So i hope something good will come out of all this rabbling. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Bacchuss	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:08:00 - [19] hm what drone exploit, only drone exploit i know is that they are dumb, but its hardly an exploit... ************************************ "What you gonna do, when I come for yoU?!" ************************************
keepiru	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Nafri Most of the info is in ships&modules forum for weeks, also most of the balance stuff wont go into this patch cause CCP wont do any coding for us atm (reason for some of the china rants). What you see in the patch notes is whats going in, whats not going in is changes to ships. You can confirm this by actually reading tux's orginal post again in ships & modules, he makes it quite clear whats going in and whats not. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Tachy	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Joerd Toastius [...] Totally unjustified, [...] Yes, we had so many hints on a patch coming within the next weeks since the only source for the info can be found way into the emotional thread following Oveur's DevBlog. The balancing actions are at the lower limit of what pilots asked for. The reason for this is that someone can't test the stuff properly for various reasons and he even told us right that. Would it hurt you much if I'd call you blind fanboy? If it does, feel free to send me an evemail. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Eewec Ourbyni	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:15:00 - [22] Nice to see that somewhere between the test patch 3906 and 3908 they actually got the local and corp channels to display.. at all (a problem I believe that was experienced on TQ for a short time as well) as to the other chat and IGB fixes, I've never actually worked out a reliable way of getting the bugs to show for these, but hopefully those that have, have been able to test this on Sisi (although as has been stated in this thread already, this was listed in the previous patch notes, and I do believe it has appeared in other patch notes aswell). That said, I've not actually been on Sisi recently, although I did hop on their briefly the other day... shortly thereafter sisi went down for some other reason so I didn't get much tested and there were some ubertossers killing everyone even though it's against sisi rules to do so without consent from both parties, and no one could tell the prats cos chat was MIA. Needless to say, if I logged in and chat was still gone it was pointless undocking cos no testing could get done. This is a sig... -- You think this guys post is nuts.... you should see his bio -- ... good, ain't it!
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Tachy Originally by: Joerd Toastius [...] Totally unjustified, [...] Yes, we had so many hints on a patch coming within the next weeks since the only source for the info can be found way into the emotional thread following Oveur's DevBlog. The balancing actions are at the lower limit of what pilots asked for. The reason for this is that someone can't test the stuff properly for various reasons and he even told us right that. Would it hurt you much if I'd call you blind fanboy? If it does, feel free to send me an evemail. Context 4tw. Quote: ...but the assumption has been made more than once that they'd been pushed back to Kali in September rather than going out this month. Totally unjustified, as it happens... My point is not that everyone knew this patch was coming. Nobody did, because we hadn't been told. No, my point is that, in light of this lack of information, simply assuming the worst and claiming that the fixes won't show until September turns out to have been, on top of being unreasonable, actually just flat-out wrong, and thus an unjustified assertion. Again, my hope is that one person, just one person, will actually think about this and think "hmm... we assumed the worst-case scenario, and it turns out that it was completely unfounded... maybe next time I'll be a little less strident in proclaiming the end of the world". What I suspect will actually happen is that everyone will say "hmm... we assumed the worst-case scenario, and it turns out that it was completely unfounded... well, good, but it's still obviously the case that everything else CCP haven't told us the full details of will turn out in the worst possible way unless we shout about it unrelentingly until we're proved wrong again at which point we'll have to find something else to complain about". The scientific process suggests that you make predictions, you see how they turn out and then you modify future predictions based on these results, rather than ignoring them and continue with your original assumptions. Hint: science works.
Harisdrop	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:30:00 - [24] Is there a patch coming or was it today? 9 Lives and counting
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:33:00 - [25] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 16:33:40 Originally by: Joerd Toastius What I suspect will actually happen is that everyone will say "hmm... we assumed the worst-case scenario, and it turns out that it was completely unfounded... well, good, but it's still obviously the case that everything else CCP haven't told us the full details of will turn out in the worst possible way unless we shout about it unrelentingly until we're proved wrong again at which point we'll have to find something else to complain about". You want to nerf Preemptive Whining? But its my favorite trick in the book! Seriously, nobody will have to assume anything if there is information available. Most of the discussions last week was about the total radio silence. Also alot of people expected Kali because the latest information said it would come. When it turned out that peoples fears came true (kali delayed and split up in 3 parts), it resulted in alot of negative feelings. Hence the 10 page long sticky with rabble rabble rabble. I mean, sure, people could try to not assume the worst case scenario, but ccp could also try to give us more information so we wont have to assume anything. --- The Eve Wiki Project
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:38:00 - [26] hawk and phoon aren't in there. and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:39:00 - [27] Originally by: HippoKing hawk and phoon aren't in there. and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur Linkage for phoon --- The Eve Wiki Project
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 16:33:40 Originally by: Joerd Toastius What I suspect will actually happen is that everyone will say "hmm... we assumed the worst-case scenario, and it turns out that it was completely unfounded... well, good, but it's still obviously the case that everything else CCP haven't told us the full details of will turn out in the worst possible way unless we shout about it unrelentingly until we're proved wrong again at which point we'll have to find something else to complain about". You want to nerf Preemptive Whining? But its my favorite trick in the book! Seriously, nobody will have to assume anything if there is information available. Most of the discussions last week was about the total radio silence. Also alot of people expected Kali because the latest information said it would come. When it turned out that peoples fears came true (kali delayed and split up in 3 parts), it resulted in alot of negative feelings. Hence the 10 page long sticky with rabble rabble rabble. I mean, sure, people could try to not assume the worst case scenario, but ccp could also try to give us more information so we wont have to assume anything. Oh sure, work needs to be done on both sides, and even given E3 constraints and the fact that they've been working flat-out on both hardware upgrades and actually sorting Kali, CCP could've said more than they have. With any luck both parties will learn from this. That said, CCP not saying so much doesn't detract from my playing experience as much as Muffy-clones do :P
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:44:00 - [29] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Oh sure, work needs to be done on both sides, and even given E3 constraints and the fact that they've been working flat-out on both hardware upgrades and actually sorting Kali, CCP could've said more than they have. With any luck both parties will learn from this. That said, CCP not saying so much doesn't detract from my playing experience as much as Muffy-clones do :P Agreed. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.05.19 16:45:00 - [30] Originally by: HippoKing hawk and phoon aren't in there. and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur Hawk change was dropped. Something to do with not being able to change effects.

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