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Callistus
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:29:00 -
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Patch notes for 3900 to 3908 are up; Linkage.
Yay for blaster changes!
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:31:00 -
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Yey :D
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:37:00 -
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Im loving this. Lots of updates and changes going on. This is the way we like it. 
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Kalaan Oratay
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:39:00 -
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Thats a whole lot of projectile love
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:41:00 -
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..and precisions get nerfed
yay I say \o/
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 15:44:07
Originally by: Grimpak
..and precisions get nerfed
yay I say \o/
Yep, i guess it was expected. The old explosion radius was 150 and now its 200. Base damage was 300 and now its 260.
Really big blaster changes though. The capacitor need of blasters has been reduced by 30% and the CPU need has been reduced by 15%. Hope this remains balanced.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:45:00 -
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Surprising how many people are prepared to assume the worst, complain about it noisily and then go suddenly quiet when at least some of their concerns (carriers are broken/no patch til september/drones are bugged) are addressed.
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:46:00 -
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But where is the Phoon love? The one thing I really really want :/
How hard can it be to change a ship bonus?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 15:44:07
Originally by: Grimpak
..and precisions get nerfed
yay I say \o/
Yep, i guess it was expected. The old explosion radius was 150 and now its 200. Base damage was 300 and now its 260.
Really big blaster changes though. The capacitor need of blasters has been reduced by 30% and the CPU need has been reduced by 15%. Hope this remains balanced.
due to the blaster nature I would say that it's a step in the right direction
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Originally by: Abdalion
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Arakasai
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
But where is the Phoon love? The one thing I really really want :/
How hard can it be to change a ship bonus?
Making changes is easy ... it is testing for balance impacts that is hard :) So it is all about prioritization. The changes in this patch were more global. The change you want is time spent for a focused change on a single ship.
Not to say it is not important but the other changes positively effect a greater number of people.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Surprising how many people are prepared to assume the worst, complain about it noisily and then go suddenly quiet when at least some of their concerns (carriers are broken/no patch til september/drones are bugged) are addressed.
Yeah, i hope we will see some positive responses to this from the ones who whined about this recently in the sticky thread. They havent read it yet i think, its only been up for like five minutes.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tachy on 19/05/2006 15:54:08
Edited by: Tachy on 19/05/2006 15:52:27
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Shuttle icons now display the proper racial backgrounds.
A really game saving fix. 
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Drones will no longer auto-target gang or corp members if that member has been aggressively flagged to you recently.
An exploit involving drones has been resolved. What is it you say? As if we would tell you before we fixed it! :)
Two things patches with a single removed feature?
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Player Owned Structures
Yay! Oh, did you forget to write down the control tower bonus fixes?
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T2 manufacturing
Will we have to repair and repackage partially used tools(R.A.M./R.Db.) now?
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Chat fixes
Do links still break the chat system completely as they do in the test server?
I am missing the info on more changes to the font and the happy message that the overview and reloading bugs are fixed.
All in all a nice little patch.
Phoon love: Tux already stated that none of the ship changes will make it into the next patch because it is not possible.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kalaan Oratay
Thats a whole lot of projectile love
Well, removing cap usage isnt really a big thing i think since they hardly used any to begin with. 10% extra damage for artillery are good though.
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Lucian Corvinus
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
But where is the Phoon love? The one thing I really really want :/
How hard can it be to change a ship bonus?
Linkage for phoon
ohhh and really like that the precision light missiles become more usefull now with the unnerfing of speed
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.19 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Surprising how many people are prepared to assume the worst, complain about it noisily and then go suddenly quiet when at least some of their concerns (carriers are broken/no patch til september/drones are bugged) are addressed.
Yeah, i hope we will see some positive responses to this from the ones who whined about this recently in the sticky thread. They havent read it yet i think, its only been up for like five minutes.
Most of the info is in ships&modules forum for weeks, also most of the balance stuff wont go into this patch cause CCP wont do any coding for us atm (reason for some of the china rants).
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Got some bad news. We can't update any effects. That means that we can't update the new Hawk and Typhoon bonuses. Also limiting the drone control unit to motherships and carriers isn't possible either. The simple attribute changes like the ones on turrets and missiles are good to go though.
If you see that some of those things are up for month or years (TomB announced Typhoon change about 2004) and are still delayed, who wont get ****ed?
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Surprising how many people are prepared to assume the worst, complain about it noisily and then go suddenly quiet when at least some of their concerns (carriers are broken/no patch til september/drones are bugged) are addressed.
Yeah, i hope we will see some positive responses to this from the ones who whined about this recently in the sticky thread. They havent read it yet i think, its only been up for like five minutes.
Most of the info is in ships&modules forum for weeks, also most of the balance stuff wont go into this patch cause CCP wont do any coding for us atm (reason for some of the china rants).
I think it's reasonably safe to assume that the balance stuff listed in the patch notes will go in... and yes, I'm aware that the nature of the changes has been known for a while, but the assumption has been made more than once that they'd been pushed back to Kali in September rather than going out this month. Totally unjustified, as it happens, but it was fuel for flames for a while. It'd just be nice to think that someone, somewhere has taken note of this and had it occur to them that, just maybe, assuming the worst isn't always entirely fair.
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Lone Bear
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:05:00 -
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lot of ♥ for blasters and ♥ ♥ for neutron ones
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
If you see that some of those things are up for month or years (TomB announced Typhoon change about 2004) and are still delayed, who wont get ****ed?
Yeah. But i think this week and the one before it has made it clear to the devs what alot of the players want. So i hope something good will come out of all this rabbling.
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:08:00 -
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hm what drone exploit, only drone exploit i know is that they are dumb, but its hardly an exploit...
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Most of the info is in ships&modules forum for weeks, also most of the balance stuff wont go into this patch cause CCP wont do any coding for us atm (reason for some of the china rants).
What you see in the patch notes is whats going in, whats not going in is changes to ships.
You can confirm this by actually reading tux's orginal post again in ships & modules, he makes it quite clear whats going in and whats not.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius
[...] Totally unjustified, [...]
Yes, we had so many hints on a patch coming within the next weeks since the only source for the info can be found way into the emotional thread following Oveur's DevBlog.
The balancing actions are at the lower limit of what pilots asked for. The reason for this is that someone can't test the stuff properly for various reasons and he even told us right that.
Would it hurt you much if I'd call you blind fanboy?
If it does, feel free to send me an evemail.
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Megadon
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Eewec Ourbyni
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:15:00 -
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Nice to see that somewhere between the test patch 3906 and 3908 they actually got the local and corp channels to display.. at all (a problem I believe that was experienced on TQ for a short time as well) as to the other chat and IGB fixes, I've never actually worked out a reliable way of getting the bugs to show for these, but hopefully those that have, have been able to test this on Sisi (although as has been stated in this thread already, this was listed in the previous patch notes, and I do believe it has appeared in other patch notes aswell). That said, I've not actually been on Sisi recently, although I did hop on their briefly the other day... shortly thereafter sisi went down for some other reason so I didn't get much tested and there were some ubertossers killing everyone even though it's against sisi rules to do so without consent from both parties, and no one could tell the prats cos chat was MIA. Needless to say, if I logged in and chat was still gone it was pointless undocking cos no testing could get done.
This is a sig...
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
[...] Totally unjustified, [...]
Yes, we had so many hints on a patch coming within the next weeks since the only source for the info can be found way into the emotional thread following Oveur's DevBlog.
The balancing actions are at the lower limit of what pilots asked for. The reason for this is that someone can't test the stuff properly for various reasons and he even told us right that.
Would it hurt you much if I'd call you blind fanboy?
If it does, feel free to send me an evemail.
Context 4tw.
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...but the assumption has been made more than once that they'd been pushed back to Kali in September rather than going out this month. Totally unjustified, as it happens...
My point is not that everyone knew this patch was coming. Nobody did, because we hadn't been told. No, my point is that, in light of this lack of information, simply assuming the worst and claiming that the fixes won't show until September turns out to have been, on top of being unreasonable, actually just flat-out wrong, and thus an unjustified assertion.
Again, my hope is that one person, just one person, will actually think about this and think "hmm... we assumed the worst-case scenario, and it turns out that it was completely unfounded... maybe next time I'll be a little less strident in proclaiming the end of the world". What I suspect will actually happen is that everyone will say "hmm... we assumed the worst-case scenario, and it turns out that it was completely unfounded... well, good, but it's still obviously the case that everything else CCP haven't told us the full details of will turn out in the worst possible way unless we shout about it unrelentingly until we're proved wrong again at which point we'll have to find something else to complain about". The scientific process suggests that you make predictions, you see how they turn out and then you modify future predictions based on these results, rather than ignoring them and continue with your original assumptions. Hint: science works.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:30:00 -
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Is there a patch coming or was it today?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 16:33:40
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
What I suspect will actually happen is that everyone will say "hmm... we assumed the worst-case scenario, and it turns out that it was completely unfounded... well, good, but it's still obviously the case that everything else CCP haven't told us the full details of will turn out in the worst possible way unless we shout about it unrelentingly until we're proved wrong again at which point we'll have to find something else to complain about".
You want to nerf Preemptive Whining? But its my favorite trick in the book!
Seriously, nobody will have to assume anything if there is information available. Most of the discussions last week was about the total radio silence. Also alot of people expected Kali because the latest information said it would come. When it turned out that peoples fears came true (kali delayed and split up in 3 parts), it resulted in alot of negative feelings. Hence the 10 page long sticky with rabble rabble rabble.
I mean, sure, people could try to not assume the worst case scenario, but ccp could also try to give us more information so we wont have to assume anything.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:38:00 -
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hawk and phoon aren't in there.
and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
hawk and phoon aren't in there.
and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur
Linkage for phoon
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 16:33:40
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
What I suspect will actually happen is that everyone will say "hmm... we assumed the worst-case scenario, and it turns out that it was completely unfounded... well, good, but it's still obviously the case that everything else CCP haven't told us the full details of will turn out in the worst possible way unless we shout about it unrelentingly until we're proved wrong again at which point we'll have to find something else to complain about".
You want to nerf Preemptive Whining? But its my favorite trick in the book!
Seriously, nobody will have to assume anything if there is information available. Most of the discussions last week was about the total radio silence. Also alot of people expected Kali because the latest information said it would come. When it turned out that peoples fears came true (kali delayed and split up in 3 parts), it resulted in alot of negative feelings. Hence the 10 page long sticky with rabble rabble rabble.
I mean, sure, people could try to not assume the worst case scenario, but ccp could also try to give us more information so we wont have to assume anything.
Oh sure, work needs to be done on both sides, and even given E3 constraints and the fact that they've been working flat-out on both hardware upgrades and actually sorting Kali, CCP could've said more than they have. With any luck both parties will learn from this. That said, CCP not saying so much doesn't detract from my playing experience as much as Muffy-clones do :P
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Oh sure, work needs to be done on both sides, and even given E3 constraints and the fact that they've been working flat-out on both hardware upgrades and actually sorting Kali, CCP could've said more than they have. With any luck both parties will learn from this. That said, CCP not saying so much doesn't detract from my playing experience as much as Muffy-clones do :P
Agreed.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
hawk and phoon aren't in there.
and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur
Hawk change was dropped. Something to do with not being able to change effects.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:47:00 -
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Fifty spacebux says the precision nerf isn't enough, and the blasters are still inferior weapons. Anyone?
Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Fifty spacebux says the precision nerf isn't enough, and the blasters are still inferior weapons. Anyone?
I was actually expecting you to say something positive to this thread... you havent forgotten how much you actually like this game, have you?
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Kalaan Oratay
Thats a whole lot of projectile love
Well, removing cap usage isnt really a big thing i think since they hardly used any to begin with. 10% extra damage for artillery are good though.
It definatly make sa difference. Fight a curse once and you will know why.
With this fix the cannons wont go offline wich is definatly good for projo users.
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Dampfschlaghammer
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Posted - 2006.05.19 16:56:00 -
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Fifty spacebux says the precision nerf isn't enough, and the blasters are still inferior weapons. Anyone?
Precision missile nerf wont be enough till theyre identical to Tech 1 Missiles  .
With other words, the whole idea of making large weapon systems able to hit small targets by simply loading other charges is the wrong way to go.
These changes point in the right direction, but actually it would have been better to think about giving broken stuff a completely new role, instead of boosting/nerfing attributes.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 17:01:59
Originally by: MOS DEF
It definatly make sa difference. Fight a curse once and you will know why.
With this fix the cannons wont go offline wich is definatly good for projo users.
I thought the natural cap recharge would allow the guns to keep firing, but i guess curse knows how to suck.
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Maximillian Pele
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Surprising how many people are prepared to assume the worst, complain about it noisily and then go suddenly quiet when at least some of their concerns (carriers are broken/no patch til september/drones are bugged) are addressed.
Yeah, i hope we will see some positive responses to this from the ones who whined about this recently in the sticky thread. They havent read it yet i think, its only been up for like five minutes.
I'd say that our CCP friends came home happy from E3 to find a riot.
Everything keeps changing - first the E3 press timetable goes, then then Dev blog timetable goes. Now we get a patch we weren't told about 24 hrs ago?
And, if they could suddenly fix this, what about all the other fixes?
We'll see.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:10:00 -
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Still nothing about the overview problems 
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Cyonaura
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:11:00 -
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"# Quitting the tutorial with an Achura character will no longer cause an Overview error."
Good fix, I almost quit the tutorial and didnt bother with eve after getting that for 4 hours without being able to find a workaround.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:14:00 -
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Still no fix for Recon ships then.
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boohoo
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Still no fix for Recon ships then.
yeah, but some of those gda@#$@# carrier bugs going away will be a godsend. Those were making my life as uberhauler a living hell :p 
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:21:00 -
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btw, the blaster stuff is a decent start. Maybe once SISI gets back into business some testing can be done to illuminate the continuing need for more blaster tweeks including perhaps a damage bump.
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:24:00 -
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I also miss a fix to the 'Drones following ship at 1500.000000001 m rather than orbiting or returning to drone bay' which is extremely annoying and has cost me a few mil in T2 drones already (May the T2 people that buy Hammerhead IIs for 1 mil roast in hell eternally!)
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Gorgons
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dampfschlaghammer
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Fifty spacebux says the precision nerf isn't enough, and the blasters are still inferior weapons. Anyone?
Precision missile nerf wont be enough till theyre identical to Tech 1 Missiles .
With other words, the whole idea of making large weapon systems able to hit small targets by simply loading other charges is the wrong way to go.
These changes point in the right direction, but actually it would have been better to think about giving broken stuff a completely new role, instead of boosting/nerfing attributes.
And I guess you think that your uber range tremor ammo, or your hail, barrage and quake is just andy dandy, right?
because you won't be able to insta wreck frigs and inties with your tremor ammo sitting 200 km away right?
now what should T2 missiles be good for then, enlighten us?
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Quari Nimbles
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:26:00 -
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 at the assault frigate nerf with no other changes made.
Also, no overview fix?
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: Nafri
Most of the info is in ships&modules forum for weeks, also most of the balance stuff wont go into this patch cause CCP wont do any coding for us atm (reason for some of the china rants).
What you see in the patch notes is whats going in, whats not going in is changes to ships.
You can confirm this by actually reading tux's orginal post again in ships & modules, he makes it quite clear whats going in and whats not.
I know whats standing there, and I know what I wrote. Balance changes in terms of making Hawk, Typhoon, most assault frigs usefull at all.
Whats also missing for month is a fix for 50% of the recon ships and a explanation for the matari carrier bonus.
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Sempra
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:39:00 -
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Very sweet. Master Blaster Love!
Go Leafs Go!
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Lo3d3R
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:41:00 -
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ehhhhh what about fixing the drones (e.g. they actually all go back in the dronebay) and the +5% damage on the Tachyon Beam Laser's that was (mentioned by Tuxford ?).
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Copenhagen
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:46:00 -
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"The capacitor need of all projectile turrets has been removed."
Hey Tux didnt you mean "The Powergrid need of all....." ?
Yeh Yeh Thats It
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Braaage
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:53:00 -
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What the patch notes don't say is what currently works on TQ that is broken on Sisi, like the inability to select text in the chat window to copy.
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Mephysto
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Posted - 2006.05.19 17:57:00 -
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Bug Report Page
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:04:00 -
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Nuts. No Phoon or Hawk changes...
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Braaage
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto
Bug Report Page
Sorry Mephysto didn't mean to sound rude or anything it was my first time back on Sisi yesterday since all the hardware changes. I needed to test a couple of things with POSs and spotted this straight away, thought something so obvious would have been caught already.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur
I never realised that was considered an exploit - same with the vexor
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Del ReyII
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur
Thats one of them I guess, but the other one is used far more often.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: HippoKing
and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur
I never realised that was considered an exploit - same with the vexor
nor did i. i've used it on raven to get 5 ogres when its been available (not deliberately set up to use it, just took advantage if i was in a situation where it was possible). I kinda think thats it, because on ishkurs, it truly is horrible.
Its also the only thing to do with drones I know of which could be considered an exploit: there may be others though...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Del ReyII
Originally by: HippoKing
and i guess the drone exploit is the one that allowed the 5 t2 ogre ishkur
Thats one of them I guess, but the other one is used far more often.
I don't know of another; i know you obviously can't say how to achieve it here, but can you say what is achieves?
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Del ReyII
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
I don't know of another; i know you obviously can't say how to achieve it here, but can you say what is achieves?
Amm, the best I can do is say that Tachy touched on it earlier. Well it fitted in my mind what the exploit was anyway.
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:38:00 -
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lol, remember tractor beam bpo fiasko?
Now those smart asses who bought the whole stock of hawks screwed up again :) there is no even eta for ship changes .. hope that'll teach 'em :)
Concerning drones. I have just checked on sisi - still possible to have 5 ogres controlled on ishkur.
but this is not an exploit because you have to prepare this situation by dropping the drones with a BS for example, and you can't replace drones or take them with you when warping off, which by the way makes this feature useless in 99% of situations.
Skill "drones" description doesn't say anywhere that you can't control 5 heavy drones on ishkur, it only says that you can control 5 drones... And nowhere on an ishkur it is said that it can't CONTROL 5 heavies, only that it can't CARRY more than 1 heavy in the drone bay. And nowhere else it is said that you can't control 5 heavies on a frigate. Therefore please stop calling this legit feature an exploit or at least provide some arguments.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:40:00 -
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The base damage inflicted by 1200mm, 650mm and 250mm artillery has been increased by 10%
Woo Hoo!!!
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
lol, remember tractor beam bpo fiasko?
Now those smart asses who bought the whole stock of hawks screwed up again :) there is no even eta for ship changes .. hope that'll teach 'em :)
the first kali patch. changes to existing attributes are easy (i.e. increasing turret damage) while adding new ones (i.e. ship bonuses) is more complicated.
I'm racking my brains trying to work out how drones going mad is an exploit...
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Eximius Josari
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:45:00 -
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Cool, should make for some interesting changes...I noticed the Tachyon change was dropped. Any explanation?
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:53:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 19/05/2006 18:55:48
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
lol, remember tractor beam bpo fiasko?
Now those smart asses who bought the whole stock of hawks screwed up again :) there is no even eta for ship changes .. hope that'll teach 'em :)
the first kali patch.
ETA for which is .. was it September?
Quote:
changes to existing attributes are easy (i.e. increasing turret damage) while adding new ones (i.e. ship bonuses) is more complicated.
I'm racking my brains trying to work out how drones going mad is an exploit...
there is another drone exploit, but if I tell it here, this thread would probably be insta-killed and mods probably would shaft me so I rather wouldn't .. but trust me, there is one :)
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2006.05.19 18:57:00 -
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I'm a bit confused on this...
Quote:
Capital ship storage is properly capped at 5k. This fixes a capital ship corporation hangar overload exploit.
Don't get me wrong, I don't even know how these ships work, but are you telling me a CARRIER can now only carry 5k? I know peopel used carriers to haul massive amounts by filling up ship inside the hangars, but even a dumb guy like me realized this was possible... so why wouldn't the devs catch it? And why is it now an exploit? Sometimes I wonder if things are done for a purpose for a limited amount of time so CCP can help people in an "exploitable" way. So they get ahead of others so to speak.
I don't see how anyone could have missed this carrier tactic in development... but now its an expolit? And now, anyone who has trained for months to get to a carrier point gets hosed and stabbed in the back... only the vets and long term players were able to take advantage of a tactic that was so obvious to begin with.
I'm not saying expolits are not bad, but if this hauling tactic wasn't looked at to begin with... it must of been something they considered legit. Or, I could be all wrong and not fully understand whats going on... liek I said, I'm not that smart.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:00:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 19/05/2006 18:55:48
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
lol, remember tractor beam bpo fiasko?
Now those smart asses who bought the whole stock of hawks screwed up again :) there is no even eta for ship changes .. hope that'll teach 'em :)
the first kali patch.
ETA for which is .. was it September?
Quote:
changes to existing attributes are easy (i.e. increasing turret damage) while adding new ones (i.e. ship bonuses) is more complicated.
I'm racking my brains trying to work out how drones going mad is an exploit...
there is another drone exploit, but if I tell it here, this thread would probably be insta-killed and mods probably would shaft me so I rather wouldn't .. but trust me, there is one :)
evemail? . seeing as all I fly is a stiletto these days it's hardly going to matter
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
there is another drone exploit, but if I tell it here, this thread would probably be insta-killed and mods probably would shaft me so I rather wouldn't .. but trust me, there is one :)
can you explain what it does rather than how to do it?
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Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:17:00 -
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When is this patch? 
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 19/05/2006 19:18:37
it helps to run away, 'nuff said.
(of course there may be some other exploit I am not aware of, but the thread with this one got deleted so I guess it might be this one)
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 19:19:52
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
lol, remember tractor beam bpo fiasko?
Now those smart asses who bought the whole stock of hawks screwed up again :) there is no even eta for ship changes .. hope that'll teach 'em :)
Im hoping to see this in the next flash from TheKiller8...
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 19/05/2006 19:18:37
it helps to run away, 'nuff said.
(of course there may be some other exploit I am not aware of, but the thread with this one got deleted so I guess it might be this one)
drones keep on shooting even when you warp out?
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Del ReyII
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 19/05/2006 19:18:37
it helps to run away, 'nuff said.
(of course there may be some other exploit I am not aware of, but the thread with this one got deleted so I guess it might be this one)
Thats the one
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Del ReyII
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 19/05/2006 19:18:37
it helps to run away, 'nuff said.
(of course there may be some other exploit I am not aware of, but the thread with this one got deleted so I guess it might be this one)
drones keep on shooting even when you warp out?
Nope
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Eewec Ourbyni
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe
Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 19/05/2006 19:18:37
it helps to run away, 'nuff said.
(of course there may be some other exploit I am not aware of, but the thread with this one got deleted so I guess it might be this one)
drones keep on shooting even when you warp out?
Nahh... never seen this happen and I use drones in belts and on missions, but doing something else to get your ship out of agro range while your drones are fighting works a treat... always thought it was something that was supposed to happen, but if it is indeed an exploit then no wonder drone AI is so dense normally (thought they were showing to much IQ doing what I now think the sploit might be)... I *think* it has to do with setting standings, the way drones pick targets as opposed to returning to orbit and how close you need to be for NPC's to agro. Might be wrong though.
This is a sig...
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:35:00 -
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mwd away from the drones and they continue to own everything in sight even when you're out of control range?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
mwd away from the drones and they continue to own everything in sight even when you're out of control range?
CCP gets alot of bugs reported this way, they should do it more often.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.19 19:47:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Sarmaul on 19/05/2006 19:55:36
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Sarmaul
mwd away from the drones and they continue to own everything in sight even when you're out of control range?
CCP gets alot of bugs reported this way, they should do it more often.
jesus christ that bug is oooooold. so old in fact, I didn't consider it to be an exploit
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tachy on 19/05/2006 20:01:43
A dev stated that the drones working on their own when you're out of command range is not a bug, but self defense.
Another dev at another occasion stated that using oversized drones, or more than the ship can hold is not a bug either.
The problem that I think will be corrected is not a bug per se, but a result of uninspired tests on new features. Most pilots went 'WTF?! How can that have gotten past testing?' when we explained what just happened to them.
If it is what I think, many will cry fould murder about the cure. It has been discussed in the help channel many times without a volunteer, GM or dev telling us to stop discussing it. You can place the fix under rookie protection.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:08:00 -
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The signature radius of Assault ships have been increased so they are balanced with the TL1 ships they are based on, and not Interceptors.
And now we're going to need 4th bonuses to make up for the extra damage we're going to take from ships.
Weaker AF tank ftl.
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto
Bug Report Page
Sorry? isnt this what your QA team is for?
or do they just drink tea and say "good job bug fixers" ?
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Dampfschlaghammer
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:10:00 -
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Quote:
now what should T2 missiles be good for then, enlighten us?
Well there have been quite a few good suggestions in the past, for example look up the posts by Maya Rkell about adding secondary effects.
Secondary effects probably wont get added by CCP as they are too code-intensive. Still, I think missiles should follow T2 ammo in that you have one short range high damage version with high sig radius but slow speed and other drawbacks, and one extremely fast, very high sig radius version for long range anti bs and capital service.
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marioman
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:29:00 -
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YAY for for the ore mining gang module not getting fixed
corpmate of mine has trained up mining director and everything to use this for corp mining and its still not getting fixed. Pointless training 4tl
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:29:00 -
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Cool, channel bug is fixed.
Now we just need the overview bug fixed and we're mostly set.
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Sucram
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:36:00 -
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The second Bloodlines patch will be deployed on Tuesday, 22 May, starting at 1100 GMT. We are estimating the patch will take four hours to deploy and TQ should return to service by 1500 GMT.
Patch Notes are available for viewing.
As always, we recommend you set a longer duration skill training in case there are issues delaying the return of TQ to service.
The 22 May is a monday, but what the ****. if anyone can do it, it¦s CCP... 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 20:42:03
Originally by: Sucram
The 22 May is a monday, but what the ****. if anyone can do it, it¦s CCP...
Honest mistake. Question is, is it monday or tuesday they are planning?
Im betting tuesday because nobody likes mondays.
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2006.05.19 20:46:00 -
[84]
Edited by: MOS DEF on 19/05/2006 20:53:55
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 20:42:03
Originally by: Sucram
The 22 May is a monday, but what the ****. if anyone can do it, it¦s CCP...
Honest mistake. Question is, is it monday or tuesday they are planning?
Im betting tuesday because nobody likes mondays.
I say deployment on Monday. Then after several clusterfu**s it will be up on Tuesday.
Gawd i can see the future - i am a medium!
Edit: On a serious note: The3y allways patch on tuesdays. Prolly because it allways goes so well then. Oh wait - maybe they should change the day for better cahnces that it goes smooth.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:48:00 -
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1400's should have had some kind of boost. The t1 versions suck imo unless you are loaded with dmg mods and tracking equipment.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.05.19 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto
Bug Report Page
Nothing about ships and stations being invisible after a session change. Then again there's nothing about it on known issues either. Hint, hint.
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Kai Lae
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Quote:
The signature radius of Assault ships have been increased so they are balanced with the TL1 ships they are based on, and not Interceptors.
And now we're going to need 4th bonuses to make up for the extra damage we're going to take from ships.
Weaker AF tank ftl.
I'm hoping that this is the first step for changing AF to what they should be like (all with 11 slots but the ishkur and 4th bonus). Problem is they've nerfed them first without doing any boosting, and they aren't overpowered as it is already.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 22:05:51
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/05/2006 20:42:03
Originally by: Sucram
The 22 May is a monday, but what the ****. if anyone can do it, it¦s CCP...
Honest mistake. Question is, is it monday or tuesday they are planning?
Im betting tuesday because nobody likes mondays.
I say deployment on Monday. Then after several clusterfu**s it will be up on Tuesday.
Gawd i can see the future - i am a medium!
Edit: On a serious note: The3y allways patch on tuesdays. Prolly because it allways goes so well then. Oh wait - maybe they should change the day for better cahnces that it goes smooth.
Still tuesday. Its a shame the patch is coming so soon because now i will never know how good the precision cruise really was. Still have a weak or so left on the training for those.
But i might be better off now knowing actually... harder to miss something you havent experienced.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2006.05.19 22:22:00 -
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So are they fixing the bug where drones go to where you where as opposed to where you are? I can't really tell from this wording if they did or did not.
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:39:00 -
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I get tired of people complaining about missiles.
They're hard enough to fleet with already, jeez
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:45:00 -
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yay, can i get my cruise missile lvl5 replaced with torp lvl5?
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.05.19 23:51:00 -
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I still think you will be able to load up an iteron 5 to the gills and throw it in the ship maint. array. That's not an exploit or bug. What IS a bug is looking at the carrier corp hanger tab and seeing like 15000/5000....ie, like the POS hangar deal where you can "overstuff" it.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.20 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Edited by: Sarmaul on 19/05/2006 19:55:36
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Sarmaul
mwd away from the drones and they continue to own everything in sight even when you're out of control range?
CCP gets alot of bugs reported this way, they should do it more often.
jesus christ that bug is oooooold. so old in fact, I didn't consider it to be an exploit
I always considered this as drone feature, escpecially in the times of no drone trackingand no drone range
Summertime - Campingtime!
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.05.20 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kamikaaazi
yay, can i get my cruise missile lvl5 replaced with torp lvl5?
Training for FOTM 4tl?
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