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Dave Stark
5169
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Posted - 2014.04.28 11:18:00 -
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to be fair, if you're faced with a fleet of skiffs, gank the orca.
in terms of cost to gank vs how much ore they won't be mining... ganking the orca is the best bang for your buck. orca isn't going to have over 300k ehp, which is about 3 well tanked skiffs. when you gank an orca each skiff loses 1/3 of it's yield. fleet of 20 skiffs? ganking 1 orca is the same as ganking nearly 7 skiffs, for a fraction of the cost.
not to mention, after the orca goes pop they'll probably dock up anyway. you've shown that you can take out the biggest brick on grid. |
AzzyE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.04.28 11:21:00 -
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This has been very informative and i want to thank you guys for all the information.
I will use the Skiff in empire and if i ever go back to 0.0 ill use the Hulk again.
Makes sense that you should earn less in empire but even whit a Hulk in empire the income is very small imo.
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Dave Stark
5169
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Posted - 2014.04.28 11:23:00 -
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AzzyE wrote:Makes sense that you should earn less in empire but even whit a Hulk in empire the income is very small imo.
welcome to mining. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5478
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Posted - 2014.04.28 11:39:00 -
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AzzyE wrote:
Well i dont play afk and i dont like others to tell me how to play a game i pay to play.
Making statements like that while flying a ship without guns may not be the wisest choice.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Zander Kumamato
Madz Legion
Madz Republic
32
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Posted - 2014.04.28 12:11:00 -
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IT would be helpful for mission runners if the ORCA gankers used to keep swapping into new ships also went suspect............. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5481
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Posted - 2014.04.28 12:26:00 -
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Zander Kumamato wrote:.
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IT would be helpful for mission runners if the ORCA gankers used to keep swapping into new ships also went suspect.............
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AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! *chokes*
Oh my, ahem, excuse me. Speaking as a ganker, it would delight me very much if ship swapping became a suspect action.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Serene Repose
1324
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Posted - 2014.04.28 12:41:00 -
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Your stupidity aside. I don't mine. I think being able to gank miners under present circumstances is ridiculous. Either the ships should be harder to kill, or the ramifications should be more severe for the ganker(s). Always said that. Always will say that. In fact, it's so egregious, one must assume the devs and CCP staff are involved in the ganking themselves.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3696
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Posted - 2014.04.28 12:45:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Your stupidity aside. I don't mine. I think being able to gank miners under present circumstances is ridiculous. Either the ships should be harder to kill, or the ramifications should be more severe for the ganker(s). Always said that. Always will say that. In fact, it's so egregious, one must assume the devs and CCP staff are involved in the ganking themselves.
Because, god forbid, miners should also (like every other profession that flies in space) take any responsibility for the safety of their ship
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"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Agondray
Dark Forge Enterprise
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
104
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Posted - 2014.04.28 12:52:00 -
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I came here expecting a good idea.
I'm tired of you people that think all you have to do is take a ship up, but you all don't get it.
even if you take a skiff it will get ganked, there are gankers that use battle cruiser just to gank barges, hell I've even seen battleships used by people that want to prove the point that the lowest income makers should die.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3698
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Posted - 2014.04.28 12:57:00 -
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Agondray wrote:I came here expecting a good idea.
I'm tired of you people that think all you have to do is take a ship up, but you all don't get it.
even if you take a skiff it will get ganked, there are gankers that use battle cruiser just to gank barges, hell I've even seen battleships used by people that want to prove the point that the lowest income makers should die.
And whose fault is it you cant work out how a 52,000 ehp ship with 60%+ resists can tank a BC?
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"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
222
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Posted - 2014.04.28 13:08:00 -
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No
I mine on my main and build gank ships. Burn jita is great for my wallet
Pog mo thoin |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
HIFI INDUSTRIAL
The Kadeshi
284
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Posted - 2014.04.28 13:55:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:...But the end reality is, the Retriever as it stands currently does mine a significant amount more. So it's not terrible CEO's telling people to use it... I used to run L4; and the quickest/ most profitable way is to total 'Bling' out your ship, but this choice comes with increased risk. The risk outweighed the ISK gained for me, so I ran them slower.
The Retriever is more profitable, but at a significantly increased risk.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
Disband.
1152
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:06:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:I think being able to gank miners under present circumstances is ridiculous.
Why? What circumstances have changed?
Serene Repose wrote:Either the ships should be harder to kill, or the ramifications should be more severe for the ganker(s).
Then I have fantastic news for you! CCP have given you a variety of tools to address both of these points. Unfortunately, they don't sell spines in the nex store though, so you'll have to supply your own. 
Also, pretty sure that suicide ganking is one of a number of parts of the game that devs aren't allowed to play, which might explain some of the choices they've made in the past.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18140
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Posted - 2014.04.28 14:20:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Your stupidity aside. I don't mine. I think being able to gank miners under present circumstances is ridiculous. Either the ships should be harder to kill, or the ramifications should be more severe for the ganker(s). Always said that. Always will say that. Eve is a game of choices, you can choose to mine in a ship that's hard to kill at the cost of a little yield, such as a Skiff or Procurer, or you can choose to mine in a ship that maximises yield, at the cost of being easier to kill.
The tools are already there, it's not the gankers fault that you choose not to use them. Choices like everything else in Eve, carry consequences.
Quote:In fact, it's so egregious, one must assume the devs and CCP staff are involved in the ganking themselves. As far as I know CCP staff are discouraged, if not forbidden, from indulging in the darker paths available within Eve. They have to be seen as above reproach by both their peers, and their customers.
Never go full Ripard |
Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
110
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:01:00 -
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Meryl Scarlett
Just a Ride
21
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:05:00 -
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No
If you need your hand held you need to play WoW |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
581
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:09:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Eve is a game of choices, you can choose to mine in a ship that's hard to kill at the cost of a little yield, such as a Skiff or Procurer, or you can choose to mine in a ship that maximises yield, at the cost of being MUCH MUCH easier to kill.  .
I fixed your post for you.
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
6245
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:14:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Eve is a game of choices, you can choose to mine in a ship that's hard to kill at the cost of a little yield, such as a Skiff or Procurer, or you can choose to mine in a ship that maximises yield, at the cost of being MUCH MUCH easier to kill. . I fixed your post for you.
Dear CCP:
When you changed the mining ships (giving one of them the EHP of a BATTLESHIP), i and others told you "many of them won't care about the defensive options you give them, they will continue to fly flimsy 'yield boats' to make the best isk per hour and continue to complain about being easy to gank until you give THEIR ship BS lvl EHP...which will mollify them for a week tops then they'll ask for more and more because that's who they are"
I offer the above quoted post as proof of our assertion.
-Signed
People who aren't super entitled. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18141
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Posted - 2014.04.28 15:29:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Eve is a game of choices, you can choose to mine in a ship that's hard to kill at the cost of a little yield, such as a Skiff or Procurer, or you can choose to mine in a ship that maximises yield, at the cost of being MUCH MUCH easier to kill. . I fixed your post for you.
They're only much much easier to kill if people are AFK, watching faptube in another window etc. Situational awareness is key.
I mine, occasionally; I have Procurers, Skiffs and a couple of Mackinaws. Their use is situational, if I'm busy plundering other peoples wormholes or solo mining I use a Procurer or Skiff, if I have Orca support, especially with a shield harmonising link I'll use a Mackinaw, the fit I use packs around 30K EHP against blasters before any boosts.
It's a case of using the right tool for the job.
Never go full Ripard |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1291
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Posted - 2014.04.28 17:37:00 -
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Quote:22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
Thread locked.
ISD LackOfFaith
Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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