I could be way off the bat here but there isn't a need for a Security setting for using lines. But with the changes coming to Manufacturing I can see some Corporations downsizing their POS outlay somewhat. So the ability to perhaps (through Titles/Roles) set it so that people within a certain group in your Corp can operate the lines with priority over people not in that group might be useful.

For example, if we as a corp are building Dreadnoughts, and we use (currently 4) Component Assembly Arrays in our POS to build the parts, I would want those Corp members who are actively involved in building Corporate Dreads to have first use or reduced cost use of the lines, over someone in the Corp who is building a Dread to sell for personal profit.

I don't think that directly relates to security or standing settings atm, so apologies if it's way off the mark. But I think some way of managing Assembly Lines (or Labratory Slots) on Starbases is needed.

- When setting job costs for different lines, I'd like to be able to set the same costs for multiple lines at once instead of having to click each one individually, although I guess this will be irrelevant after the industry changes

you can do this right now, shift-clicking lets you select all of them

mother of God, why didn't anyone tell me this before

With the removal of individual lines, station (and POS) managers will no longer have to set everything on every line. \o/ This is a huge quality of life improvement for managers. Thank you.

POSes:

As a corp CEO, I'd like to point out that if you are not a member of the owning corporation with access to at least one hanger division, one wallet division, and certain roles, you can't use the tower arrays at all. With the removal of remote research and the changes to job install costs and taxation, that entire menu can simply be removed as it serves no purpose what-so-ever.

Now, I'm totally in support of having a way to enable access for randoms based on standings and such, as well as a way to set corp taxes on the arrays. But until out-of-corp users can actually put stuff into the array and take out a finished item, that will never happen.

Reducing fuel block consumption rate is ideal; solo or small-gang players don't necessarily have the funds to prop up their own starbase in wh space or hisec for that matter, and so for allowing the fuel costs to drop somewhat would help alleviate that.

I do agree with the sentiment that relative empire standings for hisec POS are fairly useless and should go away. One thing I really do think needs to be added is a method of hacking abandoned control towers; real estate is an extremely valuable thing in this game, especially in places like wormhole space. Adding that would actually help industry in a variety of ways because more real estate would open up, in all areas of space people like to base out of.

Let me make a POS public anf allow me to rent out my facilities.

Not specifically related to the settings themselves, but it solves many other issues that others have raised in this thread, and not just with assembly lines.

Allow us to define arbitrary groups and then provide permissions based on those definitions.

Alliance A has member corps Corps A-One, A-Two, A-Three, and A-Four.
Alliance B has member corps Corp B-Alpha and B-Beta.
Bob, the CEO of Corp A-One, has an alt named Chuckles in Corp A-Four.

Corp A-One owns a manufacturing facility.

They define a "Unrestricted Manufacturers" group that:

• includes Corp A-One
• includes character Chuckles
• restricts (the rest of) Alliance A
• includes Alliance B
• Everyone else is restricted by default

They define a "Taxed Manufacturers" group that:

• includes Corp A-Three
• includes +10 standings
• Everyone else is restricted by default

They define a "Restricted Manufacturers" group that:

• includes Corp A-Four
• includes Corp B-Beta
• includes +5 (and higher) standings
• Everyone else is restricted by default

They grant permission:

• "Unrestricted Manufacturers" = full access, no tax
• "Taxed Manufacturers" = full access, 15% tax
• "Restricted Manufacturers" = specific assembly line access, 15% tax, group may only run one simultaneous job

If someone is in multiple categories, such as Corp B-Beta above, whatever is first is what takes effect; so B-Beta receives the permissions from Unrestricted Manufacturers because that the earliest they are mentioned.

Wherever you might have used a role or title or alliance or corp previously, allow use of these custom-created arbitrary groups instead.

Hello people,


As you know it by now, we are focusing on industry for summer and bringing significant mechanic and UI changes to this feature as a whole.

There is one specific point we wish to receive your feedback on, which is assembly line settings.

Those settings (which are illustrated here) serve to control cost and access to POS / outpost industry lines.

We are thinking of streamlining this a bit by removing character and corporation security settings, which don't seem used that much in the first place.

We are also not certain of the usefulness of the "good standing discount %" and "bad standing surcharge %" entries since player groups usually do not want to allow access to such lines to their enemies in the first place. But we could be missing something.

Do you have any use for character and corporation security options? How useful is the good / bad standing surcharge options to you / your corporation / your alliance? Anything else you would like to change, add or remove on these settings?


Thanks for your time - and see you at Fanfest for those attending.

I see no point in adding public access to POS lines. With the removal of slots, no one would bother looking for a public POS as there will always be "room at the inn" of NPC stations for research and manufacturing.

We are thinking of streamlining this a bit by removing character and corporation security settings, which don't seem used that much in the first place.

We are also not certain of the usefulness of the "good standing discount %" and "bad standing surcharge %" entries since player groups usually do not want to allow access to such lines to their enemies in the first place. But we could be missing something.

Thanks for your time - and see you at Fanfest for those attending.

We are also not certain of the usefulness of the "good standing discount %" and "bad standing surcharge %" entries since player groups usually do not want to allow access to such lines to their enemies in the first place. But we could be missing something.

providence probably wants to talk to you about this.

- Security status restrictions and bad standing discharge is useless for the vast majority of null but you should wait to hear feedback from Providence station holders as some of them RP as anti-pirates. Also some of their stations have allowed bad standing characters to dock and use services (so it's still feasible albeit unlikely they'd want to use assembly lines)

Security status. (I was going to leave this out but Provi block might care. Nobody else will.)

What in hell is going with you Dev's man you think folks do not use the security settings..

Provi for one does!! for petes sake do you even log into the game??

Security status is quite irrelevant even for most strict RP in provi

We are also not certain of the usefulness of the "good standing discount %" and "bad standing surcharge %" entries since player groups usually do not want to allow access to such lines to their enemies in the first place. But we could be missing something.

Do you have any use for character and corporation security options? How useful is the good / bad standing surcharge options to you / your corporation / your alliance? Anything else you would like to change, add or remove on these settings?

What in hell is going with you Dev's man you think folks do not use the security settings..

Provi for one does!! for petes sake do you even log into the game??

Station settings for assembly lines are so archaic, rigid, useless, and undocumented that dealing it with has been a complete and utter headache. I say this is as one of the people runs the executor corp in Brothers of Tangra, which owns 111 outposts that service hundreds and hundreds of corps both in and out of the alliance. Thanks in advance for addressing this issue.

Instead of suggesting what modifications we'd like to see made to that particular existing UI, I will list what overall changes I would like to be made in the hopes that it will help guide you.

- Security status restrictions and bad standing discharge is useless for the vast majority of null but you should wait to hear feedback from Providence station holders as some of them RP as anti-pirates. Also some of their stations have allowed bad standing characters to dock and use services (so it's still feasible albeit unlikely they'd want to use assembly lines)
- I would like to have the ability to block out particular corps (or conversely only allow certain corps) within the alliance from using assembly lines
- I would like to have the ability to set different tax rates for different corps (instead of the same blanket cost for all corps within an alliance)
- same as the previous two points except with different alliances
- When setting job costs for different lines, I'd like to be able to set the same costs for multiple lines at once instead of having to click each one individually, although I guess this will be irrelevant after the industry changes
- I'd like to allow/restrict use of Reprocessing services for different corps within the alliance, or at the very least modify reprocessing tax based on the corp that uses it

Maybe there is a way to do all of this but there is no documentation and we never get help from petitions so maybe release some kind of guide or explanation for setting up stations overall, although I guess this specific request goes beyond the scope of this thread.

Seriously???

A large costs <500m/mo to fuel.

This is significantly less than a plex, which droves and droves and droves and droves of players manage to afford on a monthly basis, doing even stupider things, like mining in highsec.



Don't even need to critique the folly of reducing demand for fuel blocks (and their components)

Alright people, here is the plan so far after we internally discussed this issue based on your feedback.

• Outposts: we will most likely move those Industry settings to the "Station Management" window, since individual lines are going away. We will not remove any of the options currently listed until we have a proper overhaul of Starbases and Outposts in general.

Please let us know if we forgot something.

Alright people, here is the plan so far after we internally discussed this issue based on your feedback.

• Starbases: we are removing all those settings altogether. Mainly because, as many of you mentioned, this was only relelvant for Remote Research, which is going the way of the dinosaur. Since we are not making Starbase public for now (it's just too much work for the time allotted, if anything we need another release to fix Starbases at the very least), there should be no use case left.


• Outposts: we will most likely move those Industry settings to the "Station Management" window, since individual lines are going away. We will not remove any of the options currently listed until we have a proper overhaul of Starbases and Outposts in general.

Please let us know if we forgot something.

So no way to partial lock a station to avoid congestion in said station?
Or to separate access between different corporations in an alliance, instead of standings which are flawed as hell. Only the ability to allow access by standings means everyone in your alliance has access instead of maybe just a few corps. Or just your own corp has access. Really need an option of something in between

Alright people, here is the plan so far after we internally discussed this issue based on your feedback.

• Starbases: we are removing all those settings altogether. Mainly because, as many of you mentioned, this was only relelvant for Remote Research, which is going the way of the dinosaur. Since we are not making Starbase public for now (it's just too much work for the time allotted, if anything we need another release to fix Starbases at the very least), there should be no use case left.


• Outposts: we will most likely move those Industry settings to the "Station Management" window, since individual lines are going away. We will not remove any of the options currently listed until we have a proper overhaul of Starbases and Outposts in general.

Please let us know if we forgot something.

So what is happening with the skills that we got to Do Remote Research?

Alright people, here is the plan so far after we internally discussed this issue based on your feedback.

• Starbases: we are removing all those settings altogether. Mainly because, as many of you mentioned, this was only relelvant for Remote Research, which is going the way of the dinosaur. Since we are not making Starbase public for now (it's just too much work for the time allotted, if anything we need another release to fix Starbases at the very least), there should be no use case left.


• Outposts: we will most likely move those Industry settings to the "Station Management" window, since individual lines are going away. We will not remove any of the options currently listed until we have a proper overhaul of Starbases and Outposts in general.

Please let us know if we forgot something.

So what is happening with the skills that we got to Do Remote Research?

There is one specific point we wish to receive your feedback on, which is assembly line settings.

Those settings (which are illustrated here) serve to control cost and access to POS / outpost industry lines.

We are thinking of streamlining this a bit by removing character and corporation security settings, which don't seem used that much in the first place.

We are also not certain of the usefulness of the "good standing discount %" and "bad standing surcharge %" entries since player groups usually do not want to allow access to such lines to their enemies in the first place. But we could be missing something.

Do you have any use for character and corporation security options? How useful is the good / bad standing surcharge options to you / your corporation / your alliance? Anything else you would like to change, add or remove on these settings?

Alright people, here is the plan so far after we internally discussed this issue based on your feedback.

• Starbases: we are removing all those settings altogether. Mainly because, as many of you mentioned, this was only relelvant for Remote Research, which is going the way of the dinosaur. Since we are not making Starbase public for now (it's just too much work for the time allotted, if anything we need another release to fix Starbases at the very least), there should be no use case left.


• Outposts: we will most likely move those Industry settings to the "Station Management" window, since individual lines are going away. We will not remove any of the options currently listed until we have a proper overhaul of Starbases and Outposts in general.

Please let us know if we forgot something.

Hello people,


As you know it by now, we are focusing on industry for summer and bringing significant mechanic and UI changes to this feature as a whole.

There is one specific point we wish to receive your feedback on, which is assembly line settings.

Those settings (which are illustrated here) serve to control cost and access to POS / outpost industry lines.

We are thinking of streamlining this a bit by removing character and corporation security settings, which don't seem used that much in the first place.

We are also not certain of the usefulness of the "good standing discount %" and "bad standing surcharge %" entries since player groups usually do not want to allow access to such lines to their enemies in the first place. But we could be missing something.

Do you have any use for character and corporation security options? How useful is the good / bad standing surcharge options to you / your corporation / your alliance? Anything else you would like to change, add or remove on these settings?


Thanks for your time - and see you at Fanfest for those attending.

...

So basically we can't use the Scientific Networking skills we've trained anymore since we can't do remote research, right?
...

This means that labs are useless, and we'll get a refund on what you think they're worth versus what we spent on them.

This also means we should be getting a refund for the skillbook for SciNetworking, and a skill point refund as well.

Or does it mean you can't fix the corp roles and POS issues and you're going to slowly scrap them, remove POS'es completely since you can't fix them either, and eventually roll out modular POS'es sometime in the distant future when you figure out how to bring them back?

This is so brilliant it's stupid!

Seriously, stop what you're doing and find someone that PLAYS the game versus WHAT YOU THINK happens in the game!

rather usefull will be some mechanic for renters alliances to allow only chosen corps to use station.

Nowhere else i see usefulness of this

What in hell is going with you Dev's man you think folks do not use the security settings..

Provi for one does!! for petes sake do you even log into the game??

I and many other would be very eager to hear about anything resembling a mechanic that allows for the hacking of offlined structures, and possibly by extension, the structures that are anchored to it. This would be an excellent mini-profession that we would all love to see happen, and would be a godsend to wormholers everywhere.

You should consider adding to the filter masks. I'd like to be able to restrict usage by something more specific than just corp/alliance. I'd like to see an interface like the Operator and Permitted settings pages in the Channel Settings UI for chat windows. That way, I don't have to let everyone in corp use it or figure out some standings scheme. I can just add or remove people at will.

I'm 70/30 that this thread is dead. Sad really, some nifty ideas have come about as of late. I hope that I am incorrect.

Hello people,


As you know it by now, we are focusing on industry for summer and bringing significant mechanic and UI changes to this feature as a whole.

There is one specific point we wish to receive your feedback on, which is assembly line settings.

Those settings (which are illustrated here) serve to control cost and access to POS / outpost industry lines.

We are thinking of streamlining this a bit by removing character and corporation security settings, which don't seem used that much in the first place.

We are also not certain of the usefulness of the "good standing discount %" and "bad standing surcharge %" entries since player groups usually do not want to allow access to such lines to their enemies in the first place. But we could be missing something.

Do you have any use for character and corporation security options? How useful is the good / bad standing surcharge options to you / your corporation / your alliance? Anything else you would like to change, add or remove on these settings?


Thanks for your time - and see you at Fanfest for those attending.

I could be way off the bat here but there isn't a need for a Security setting for using lines. But with the changes coming to Manufacturing I can see some Corporations downsizing their POS outlay somewhat. So the ability to perhaps (through Titles/Roles) set it so that people within a certain group in your Corp can operate the lines with priority over people not in that group might be useful.

For example, if we as a corp are building Dreadnoughts, and we use (currently 4) Component Assembly Arrays in our POS to build the parts, I would want those Corp members who are actively involved in building Corporate Dreads to have first use or reduced cost use of the lines, over someone in the Corp who is building a Dread to sell for personal profit.

I don't think that directly relates to security or standing settings atm, so apologies if it's way off the mark. But I think some way of managing Assembly Lines (or Labratory Slots) on Starbases is needed.

How about add an option for the usage fees to be charged to the pilot, and not the corporate wallet division that pilot happens to use?

Huh?

So the corporation will no longer be able to set tax or fees for members using installations at a POS?