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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:57:00 -
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I live in Syndicate. I don't rat anymore and there's nobody worth fighting in the deep blue sea so vOv. I can always podjump back if something actually happens there. |
Webvan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2330
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:01:00 -
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But more seriously, even if you had that many Fedo's, I think highsec lacks the equipment to do any real damage. An army of RvB frigs, random mission runner CNR's, about the only logistics coming from courier contracts, I just don't see it happening anytime soon...  |
Cearain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
1270
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:14:00 -
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You already posted a goon thread with this alt.
Can't goons find a different alt to post about themselves?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity
Fatal Ascension
120
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:18:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:The alt system in EVE really makes it impossible to do anything like this.
How many Goon alts are in Hi-sec? Coordinating an attack on Goon space would be pointless becuase they would be there waiting in numbers.
There lies the flaw in the game.
It's not a fault of the game.
Even without goon alts in hisec, there is no way an event like what you're talking about could be done secretly. The CFC wouldn't need alts to find out about it, as it would be written about in blogs, forums and websites.
There is no possible way that the hisec population could pull off something like what you're suggesting. There, I said it. Now, prove me wrong.
-x |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2763
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Posted - 2014.04.30 01:27:00 -
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To the OP. Goons have been the target of just about everything...even their own scams and espionage, and yet they thrive. They are excellent players and they have my utmost respect.
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Its not the logistics that are beyond the average hisec capsuleer. Working together. Risking spaceship loss. Not mining. Not shooting red crosses. These are the things beyond the average hisec capsuleer.
I do think the average high sec player is miss represented by most of the high sec forum posters....but I could be wrong. I know that I am currently unable to dedicate myself to even a medium sized group due to RL constraints, so I get to enjoy EvE on a more singular basis and mostly in high sec with the occasional forays into low sec. I like the risk this game proivides, but I love the freredom of the game which allows players like me to fully enjoy the cat and mouse aspect as pretty much full time mice 
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E Thatcher
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:01:00 -
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he didn't say high sec invasion, he said invasion by average and unorganized players. HTF do you plan an event without organizing? Stupid question when you think about it. I call troll, trying to insult and inflame.
IB4L |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
858
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:15:00 -
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Sometimes I fantasise about highsec "rising-up" against nullsec. Thousands upon thousands of miners, mission-runners, traders, and those guys who spend all day sat on Jita 4-4 undock, all heading into the unknown together to completely stomp everything that stands in their way, in an incredible show of camaraderie. Then I snap back to reality, knowing that it will never happen, and it's not because highsec players are hard to organise, it's that they are impossible to organise.
You see, your average highsec player is very selfish, this game is all about them and maybe whatever little corp they're a part of, they're the "hero" in this game. They have no sense of greater community towards the rest of highsec, all other highsec dwellers are their competition, and the nullsec entities aren't even on their radar.
Only those personally affected by nullsec groups (by being ganked, or wardecced, or whatever) will consider doing something about it, but when they try to get players together to get some revenge, they are met with apathy. "I wasn't affected by Burn Jita at all, why should I come with you? I'll just carry on mining." The players then fall back into their usual routine of earning that next billion ISK, or getting that next skill, because perhaps after they've achieved that, they'll show everyone who's boss! |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
346
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:17:00 -
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now why we would want to harm in any way the people which do CCP job and diluting the herd in jita so it's possible again to warp in?
"What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what."
--áAaron Birch |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
175
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:29:00 -
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You should ask Test.
This is as nice as I get.
Best quote ever
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Webvan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2362
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:33:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:You see, your average highsec player is very selfish, this game is all about them and maybe whatever little corp they're a part of, they're the "hero" in this game. They have no sense of greater community towards the rest of highsec, all other highsec dwellers are their competition, and the nullsec entities aren't even on their radar.
meh... there have been a number of interesting things to come out of and from around highsec over the years. It's just seems like when something really good starts making real momentum, it ends quickly in some stupid little drama fight between the different groups (eg bombers bar etc).
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague
Fidelas Constans
1214
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:37:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Or are the logistics beyond the average unorganized capsuleer? 
We'll find out this autumn when BNI deploys north. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
2488
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Posted - 2014.04.30 02:42:00 -
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So you can sneak in and pop some random folks. BEEP has done that a few times. If you could get a few thousand pilots that are solid 100% committed with deep pockets and organized you might even get noticed. But the sad reality is they would probably love the distraction.
It will really take most of the best players together and committed to the task to ever really make a dent on the goons. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
10568
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:00:00 -
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hiseccers won't engage in a "burn VFK" event because it doesn't have good isk/hr
Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
928
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:27:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:So you can sneak in and pop some random folks. BEEP has done that a few times. If you could get a few thousand pilots that are solid 100% committed with deep pockets and organized you might even get noticed. But the sad reality is they would probably love the distraction.
It will really take most of the best players together and committed to the task to ever really make a dent on the goons.
I think most of the point to Burn Jita is to make you try exactly this, get dunked but have fun in the process.
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Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:28:00 -
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Your best bet... Find at least 20K angry aggressive & organized players who don't speak any known language (preferably who also happen to have a large capital fleet that no one knows about) and somehow convince them to follow you on your mad crusade.
There were those rumors running about a while back that Goonswarm was actually a CIA front (got to love Fox News...) - you might be able to convince Kim Jong-un to get 30 thousand or so of his people to play EVE... I think your odds of that are a LOT better than organizing a high-sec assault force.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3209
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:32:00 -
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The goons are fundamentally designed as an organization in such a way that any grieving tactics play into their hands. They are grievers. Grieving goons is simply validation for them. Scam or rob them. That's your only real option.
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Webvan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2372
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:59:00 -
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Cassandra Aurilien wrote:There were those rumors running about a while back that Goonswarm was actually a CIA front (got to love Fox News...) - you might be able to convince Kim Jong-un to get 30 thousand or so of his people to play EVE... I think your odds of that are a LOT better than organizing a high-sec assault force.
You might be onto something there. Someone get Dennis Rodman on the bat-phone, STAT! He'll carry the secret message to Kim Jong-un on his next visit to serenade the beloved leader, get 80k screaming North Korean women opening up trial accounts to get the job done. Of course... there probably aren't even 300 computers in the country, let alone anything to plug them into... but I suppose they could share. |
John Ending
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:06:00 -
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Gogela wrote:The goons are fundamentally designed as an organization in such a way that any grieving tactics play into their hands. They are grievers. Grieving goons is simply validation for them. Scam or rob them. That's your only real option.
I grieved when I read this post |
Doireen Kaundur
Minmatar Republic
849
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:20:00 -
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Gogela wrote:The goons are fundamentally designed as an organization in such a way that any grieving tactics play into their hands. They are grievers. Grieving goons is simply validation for them. Scam or rob them. That's your only real option.
I dont want to grief them. I just want to blow them up. Over and over again. That's all. 
A great American humorist and author recently said:
"The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices."
I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5548
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:36:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Gogela wrote:The goons are fundamentally designed as an organization in such a way that any grieving tactics play into their hands. They are grievers. Grieving goons is simply validation for them. Scam or rob them. That's your only real option. I dont want to grief them. I just want to blow them up. Over and over again. That's all.
Why them in particular? Because if you just want to blow people up, I suggest becoming a suicide ganker.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
666
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Posted - 2014.04.30 04:52:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:New to me. So I guess it has been brought up before and deemed undoable huh? Hence the "Herding Cats" remark, because that's what its like trying to organize any kind of highsec invasion of ..well..pretty much anywhere. The only person to successfully hellcamp Goonspace was Harry Forever, you may want to ask him for advice and/or help.
http://vimeo.com/26828021 |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
375
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Posted - 2014.04.30 05:54:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ask Harry Forever.
Shooting alt tabbed cyno alts on the VFK undock is categorically not burning goon space. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5549
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:07:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ask Harry Forever. Shooting alt tabbed cyno alts on the VFK undock is categorically not burning goon space.
Anybody want to buy this guy a sarcasm detector?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Marsha Mallow
411
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:36:00 -
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Since no-one seems capable of organising a Burn Goons event, shall we ask them to do it for us? We can just show up In VFK with nibbles and booze.
TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Dave Stark
5201
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:hiseccers won't engage in a "burn VFK" event because it doesn't have good isk/hr
that and the fact that they don't really have a reason to attempt a burn vfk event. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5549
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:50:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Andski wrote:hiseccers won't engage in a "burn VFK" event because it doesn't have good isk/hr that and the fact that they don't really have a reason to attempt a burn vfk event.
That depends on if you listen to the forums, or mention Goons in local. For all the talk, seems like there'd be plenty of reason.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
993
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Posted - 2014.04.30 06:52:00 -
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please |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1463
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:00:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Andski wrote:hiseccers won't engage in a "burn VFK" event because it doesn't have good isk/hr that and the fact that they don't really have a reason to attempt a burn vfk event. That depends on if you listen to the forums, or mention Goons in local. For all the talk, seems like there'd be plenty of reason.
if you don't like mosquitos it doesn't make you go to the forest/swamp and burn them. You just use protection and move on.
The same is about goons: you use protection and never care about them
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:00:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Sometimes I fantasise about highsec "rising-up" against nullsec. Thousands upon thousands of miners, mission-runners, traders, and those guys who spend all day sat on Jita 4-4 undock, all heading into the unknown together to completely stomp everything that stands in their way, in an incredible show of camaraderie. Then I snap back to reality, knowing that it will never happen, and it's not because highsec players are hard to organise, it's that they are impossible to organise.
Also, see the Doril massacre for a CCP-provided assault on Nullsec 
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
10574
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:09:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:that and the fact that they don't really have a reason to attempt a burn vfk event.
is that why we see a "hisec must rise against the goons" thread on GD every couple of weeks?
Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
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