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Shaarek	Posted - 2006.05.22 01:26:00 - [1] I see a lot of minmatar riding other races ship (specially cladari), but i never see any gallente or ammar or caldari piloting minmatar ships.. are we gimped in pvp ?
Wizie	Posted - 2006.05.22 01:28:00 - [2] No
Talos Munjab	Posted - 2006.05.22 01:41:00 - [3] just pve :)
Nikolai Rex	Posted - 2006.05.22 01:44:00 - [4] I wish their recons were a little bit cooler..
Foulis	Posted - 2006.05.22 01:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Talos Munjab just pve :) qft. I have no problem with min in PvP. But when I go ratting with my 'phoon a small part of me dies. ---- Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Nyabinghi	Posted - 2006.05.22 01:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Nikolai Rex I wish their recons were a little bit cooler.. Bellicose hull! You better believe the peach snapps was being passed around the Dev's office that day. I make cool banners for ISK.
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.05.22 02:07:00 - [7] No, it's just that the ships are horribly, horribly ugly. Nobody wants to drive a car that looks like it's just been put together by a kids set of dirty K'nex, nobody likes to fly a ship that looks like that either.
Cruz	Posted - 2006.05.22 02:29:00 - [8] Originally by: Dahak2150 No, it's just that the ships are horribly, horribly ugly. Nobody wants to drive a car that looks like it's just been put together by a kids set of dirty K'nex, nobody likes to fly a ship that looks like that either. Except the thrasher, cyclone, and rifter of course! .................
Ernest Graefenberg	Posted - 2006.05.22 02:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Foulis Originally by: Talos Munjab just pve :) qft. I have no problem with min in PvP. But when I go ratting with my 'phoon a small part of me dies. The 'phoon works fine for ratting really, just that like any other droneship having to wait for complete aggro slows you down a bit. Its the ammo based ones that don't have any sort of real edge, because you'll effectively be using T1 ammo with only 2/3rds the falloff love and suboptimal damagetypes for most anything except Serpentis on T1 ammo.
xeom	Posted - 2006.05.22 02:48:00 - [10] To be honest....i wish i would have rolled gallante. CCP where are our t2 shield power relays?
imbalanced4	Posted - 2006.05.22 03:25:00 - [11] Cause we have all the hawt womens.
Kader	Posted - 2006.05.22 03:42:00 - [12] Ya, oh well, i guess i ll endure min ship now that i spend so many sp on them. I can get my BS in about 4 days. But I sure wont be able to pilote it well ...
Xori Ruscuv	Posted - 2006.05.22 05:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Kader Ya, oh well, i guess i ll endure min ship now that i spend so many sp on them. I can get my BS in about 4 days. But I sure wont be able to pilote it well ... Nothing wrong with training 2 (or more) races! NO, there actually isn't! Really! It is all about having fun, and doing what you like doing!
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.05.22 05:21:00 - [14] Compared to other races Minmatar have worse ships for PvE. And they are particularly bad against their own rats - Angels. -They dont have a good shield tank HAC. -The BC and CSs have a weaker bonus than the Cald. -The BSs can run missions, but the other 3 races are all better at it. -The bonus to EM favors shield tanks but the high damage Minm AF is an armor tank. The Munin has the same issue. The Vagabond is a nifty ship but its great bonus - speed - is not all that great in PVE. Yes the Minm have good tech 1 frigs and ok crisers. But that has no effect on end game PVE. Wherever you went - here you are.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.22 05:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Shaarek I see a lot of minmatar riding other races ship (specially cladari), but i never see any gallente or ammar or caldari piloting minmatar ships.. are we gimped in pvp ? Many people choose Minmatar Brutor characters due to some very balanced attribute layouts that are possible. These people may have no intention of using Minmatar ships on that character... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
prathe	Posted - 2006.05.22 05:54:00 - [16] minmatar sjips are tough to fly in pve-pvp but worth it if you can learn how to apply them to the task
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.22 07:35:00 - [17] It's often been said that flying Minmatar is playing the game in hard mode. It's really not far from the truth. Our weapons have comparable damage as an elastic band gun, artillery tracking is about as useful as stephen hawking with a ak47 and they're harder to fit than a cube into a circular hole, our ships have about as much capacitor power as a Morris Minor. We have a higher proportion of useless ships than any other race, and out slots aren't specialised to do any specific thing. Somehow, in all this rough, there are diamonds. The Rifter, the Rupture, the Vagabond, the Cyclone, the Tempest, and more all play their roles very well. Why? Mostly because of pilot ingenuity. We don't have the best of anything, really (except the Vagabond, arguably the best solo ship in the game), but we make do, and make do quite well. There's nothing wrong with having rolled Minmatar. You just have to work at it :P
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.22 07:39:00 - [18] minmatar are pve gimps for sure. For pvp they have some outstanding ships and some craptasic stuff also. But pve is what 95% ppl do in eve... Die, die, die.
Mike Yagon	Posted - 2006.05.22 07:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Shaarek I see a lot of minmatar riding other races ship (specially cladari), but i never see any gallente or ammar or caldari piloting minmatar ships.. are we gimped in pvp ? My CEO is Caldari flying Minmatar. (He basically hates anything not Minmatar :p), I fly Minmatar and Amarr. There are two Gallente in my corp flying Minmatar. I don't know what you're talking about. :)
RoMUF	Posted - 2006.05.22 07:59:00 - [20] I shot 2 sansha lords and 3 sansha frigates (2 volleys of 3) in my cyclone yesterday... but i must admit that was a very useless setup against any other situation.
Laboratus	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:04:00 - [21] Try a Vagabond, put explosive and kin t2 hardeners on it. That should pretty much tank anything thats out there. Not to mention it has a very small signature radious and great speed.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:05:00 - [22] Are* Click Above
Baalic	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:16:00 - [23] Minmatar is fun mode. Look at the Ferox. Uber passive tank with missiles. How hard is that to use? Seriously? You have to be retarded to not be able to use one effectively. I was thinking about how much easier it would be to use one and started training for it then I realized I would quit Eve if I did. Instead of using the stongest tanking ship with the easiest to use weapons possible I started using the worst tanking ship I could find with the hardest to use weapons. In a matter of days I became twice as good of a player, and have had 100x more fun. And because I've gotten so much better I can kill things faster than I would have with the Ferox. Sure it would be nice to make a few million ISK with just a couple of mouse clicks, but that's what manufacturing is for. When I fly I want to FLY. That's what Minmatar ships are best at.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.22 08:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Laboratus Try a Vagabond, put explosive and kin t2 hardeners on it. That should pretty much tank anything thats out there. Not to mention it has a very small signature radious and great speed. Please, please dont harden a Vagabond. It makes baby Testy cry.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.05.22 09:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Laboratus Try a Vagabond, put explosive and kin t2 hardeners on it. That should pretty much tank anything thats out there. Not to mention it has a very small signature radious and great speed. Please, please dont harden a Vagabond. It makes baby Testy cry. u back ? join soar angelic! or at least bump it
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.22 09:10:00 - [26] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Laboratus Try a Vagabond, put explosive and kin t2 hardeners on it. That should pretty much tank anything thats out there. Not to mention it has a very small signature radious and great speed. Please, please dont harden a Vagabond. It makes baby Testy cry. u back ? I would have still been on the forums anyway, since I had a month of time left - but yeh, read the general forums, Im having a crisis of conscience after quitting :P
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.22 09:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Laboratus Try a Vagabond, put explosive and kin t2 hardeners on it. That should pretty much tank anything thats out there. Not to mention it has a very small signature radious and great speed. It's not the tank, but: a) crappy dps from artys b) uber ammo chew from acs Die, die, die.
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.05.22 09:17:00 - [28] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: wierchas noobhunter Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Laboratus Try a Vagabond, put explosive and kin t2 hardeners on it. That should pretty much tank anything thats out there. Not to mention it has a very small signature radious and great speed. Please, please dont harden a Vagabond. It makes baby Testy cry. u back ? I would have still been on the forums anyway, since I had a month of time left - but yeh, read the general forums, Im having a crisis of conscience after quitting :P lol join soar angelic! or at least bump it
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.22 09:19:00 - [29] just gotta get rid of those target painting bonuses and then almost every ship will be useful
Brute Helmet	Posted - 2006.05.22 09:20:00 - [30] Minmatar is a lot more fun to fly than other ships. Once you get decent skills up they are also some of the best ships around for both PVP and PVE. AC Tempest with shield tank or an armortanked Phoon with cruise and AC are excellent choices for NPC:ing. Its not just about the DPS and tank when you fly a ship, its also about feeling. In that department Minmatar > all. You dont wanna think like some Caldari automaton, valuing DPS above all, live a little! _____________________________ Support the MGRL - uncover your six
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.05.22 10:55:00 - [31] Tempy is the sex Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Spartan239	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Sarmaul just gotta get rid of those target painting bonuses and then almost every ship will be useful pfft teir 3 min needs a tp bonus and teir 3 gal needs a damp bonus Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
Kolhell	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:35:00 - [33] flying minmatar is definitely a love-hate relationship for me. i dont believe a day has gone by where i havent wished i was flying gallente or caldari, but i must say im a bit soft for these quirky duct tape abominations (even my shield tanked 4x bcu phoon i rat angels in >_<) honestly though? minmatar suffer the most from our lack of focus - it takes such a ridiculous amount of sp to train a good minmatar pilot because we have to learn EVERYTHING ------------------------- bury the hatchet
SmokeMeAKipper	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:38:00 - [34] Originally by: Testy Mctest It's often been said that flying Minmatar is playing the game in hard mode. I started my Amarr character with 5 perception, my gunnery and spaceship command skills take bleedin ages. On top of that i switched straight to minnie ships (wolf is king) does this mean i am playing in ultra-hard mode - - - - - IÆm not a pirate... IÆm a carnivore You are fresh meat and IÆm hungry
Valdor Hag	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:39:00 - [35] Edited by: Valdor Hag on 22/05/2006 11:39:11 Would help if they just implement what was promised as well, instead of putting it on the back burner. I know thereÆs far less phoons than megas out there but give us a break!
PeopleDamager	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:41:00 - [36] Originally by: Testy Mctest It's often been said that flying Minmatar is playing the game in hard mode. It's really not far from the truth. Our weapons have comparable damage as an elastic band gun, artillery tracking is about as useful as stephen hawking with a ak47 and they're harder to fit than a cube into a circular hole, our ships have about as much capacitor power as a Morris Minor. We have a higher proportion of useless ships than any other race, and out slots aren't specialised to do any specific thing. Somehow, in all this rough, there are diamonds. The Rifter, the Rupture, the Vagabond, the Cyclone, the Tempest, and more all play their roles very well. Why? Mostly because of pilot ingenuity. We don't have the best of anything, really (except the Vagabond, arguably the best solo ship in the game), but we make do, and make do quite well. There's nothing wrong with having rolled Minmatar. You just have to work at it :P /signed, /signed and ow yeah, /signed. Minmatar ftw, worse pve-, best pvp characters! PeopleDamager Pure Minmatar trained character
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.22 11:54:00 - [37] Originally by: PeopleDamager Minmatar ftw, worse pve-, best pvp characters! PeopleDamager Pure Minmatar trained character Its actually not half bad to train both caldari and minmatar. The shield tanking skills from training caldari ships is useful on minmatar ships as well. And projectile guns go well with missiles since none of them use cap. Once you fly a fast stabber, you'll never go back to caldari for pvp. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: PeopleDamager Minmatar ftw, worse pve-, best pvp characters! PeopleDamager Pure Minmatar trained character Its actually not half bad to train both caldari and minmatar. The shield tanking skills from training caldari ships is useful on minmatar ships as well. And projectile guns go well with missiles since none of them use cap. Once you fly a fast stabber, you'll never go back to caldari for pvp. You forgot that both races use Missiles, the main reason they crosstrain well :P Once you fly a Vagabond, you never want to get into another ship again. Ever. Testy's Eve Blog - Updated 22/05/06!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Testy Mctest You forgot that both races use Missiles, the main reason they crosstrain well :P Once you fly a Vagabond, you never want to get into another ship again. Ever. No, i didnt forget, its just that i dont use missiles on minmatar ships because of the lack of missile bonuses. And im currently in training for the vaga in my hangar. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:07:00 - [40] he's a good idea, turn the vagabond into a dedicated close-range missile ship \o/ Minmatar Cruiser Skill: 5% ship velocity and 5% launcher rof per level Heavy Assault Ships Skill: 5% explosive missile damage and 5% overpowered
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:07:00 - [41] Originally by: Jim McGregor No, i didnt forget, its just that i dont use missiles on minmatar ships because of the lack of missile bonuses. Minmatar force recon FTW! Originally by: Jim McGregor And im currently in training for the vaga in my hangar. You have one in your hangar that you can't use? I hear Sarmaul is poor and needs Vaga handouts... Testy's Eve Blog - Updated 22/05/06!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Sarmaul he's a good idea, turn the vagabond into a dedicated close-range missile ship \o/ Minmatar Cruiser Skill: 5% ship velocity and 5% launcher rof per level Heavy Assault Ships Skill: 5% explosive missile damage and 5% overpowered I think the Cerberus already got that 5% overpowered bonus. Not that i care, i dont like flying bricks.... --- The Eve Wiki Project
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:12:00 - [43] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Sarmaul he's a good idea, turn the vagabond into a dedicated close-range missile ship \o/ Minmatar Cruiser Skill: 5% ship velocity and 5% launcher rof per level Heavy Assault Ships Skill: 5% explosive missile damage and 5% overpowered I think the Cerberus already got that 5% overpowered bonus. Not that i care, i dont like flying bricks.... /emote dreams of actually being able to orbit at 3k/s while doing full damage
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.22 12:12:00 - [44] Originally by: Sarmaul he's a good idea, turn the vagabond into a dedicated close-range missile ship \o/ Minmatar Cruiser Skill: 5% ship velocity and 5% launcher rof per level Heavy Assault Ships Skill: 5% explosive missile damage and 5% overpowered Sounds like a fair nerf to me. Do it so we can all cry at how sucky our Vagas would be please! Testy's Eve Blog - Updated 22/05/06!
Wilfan Ret'nub	Posted - 2006.05.22 13:18:00 - [45] Originally by: Sarmaul /emote dreams of actually being able to orbit at 3k/s while doing full damage Well, they could always do something similar to Typhoon (3k/s -> 600m/s, though).
Elaron	Posted - 2006.05.22 13:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Testy Mctest Once you fly a Vagabond, you never want to get into another ship again. Ever. I made the terrible mistake of having a go with a Vagabond on SiSi. All of a sudden, the cost / wait time for them doesn't seem so bad. Elaron It is never too late to correct the mistakes of the past.
Krulla	Posted - 2006.05.22 13:51:00 - [47] Originally by: Spartan239 Originally by: Sarmaul just gotta get rid of those target painting bonuses and then almost every ship will be useful pfft teir 3 min needs a tp bonus and teir 3 gal needs a damp bonus Originally by: KilRock Pod yourself until you have no skills Tarkin > Omfg, frigs are such bs. Red 5 > lolol, lern 2 play plz noob SIG HIJACK!!11 RAWRR!!1- IMMY
Shinnen	Posted - 2006.05.22 14:17:00 - [48] minmatar is in my opinion the best pvp race. Gallente is gimped. Shinnen ------------------ People that think they know it all, just annoy those of us that do.
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.05.22 14:47:00 - [49] Minmatar do have some awesome ships, but some painfully poor ships. And no-one does useless quite like the minmatar. Bellicose anyone ? No i thought not. I do love all the mini ships in me hanger tho. It's my current hobby to try and make a good jag set-up just becuase i have a secret longing to be a thukker. THe minmatar are ... shall we say .. an aquired taste. The wasabi of eve, most accurately becuase you have to enjoy the burning senstation until you get to grips with it. <Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing <Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2006.05.22 15:30:00 - [50] Originally by: SmokeMeAKipper Originally by: Testy Mctest It's often been said that flying Minmatar is playing the game in hard mode. I started my Amarr character with 5 perception, my gunnery and spaceship command skills take bleedin ages. On top of that i switched straight to minnie ships (wolf is king) does this mean i am playing in ultra-hard mode If you think that's hard... I did the same, with the little difference that I started with 4 Perception instead of 5 ---------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
InsanlyEvlPerson	Posted - 2006.05.22 15:36:00 - [51] minmatar ships can be hard to use but are the most fun ever because u accually fly them and not sit around and spam missiles. I know, i started training minmatar, low sp made me go for caldari, now i'm back to minmatar. been flying a wolf for the last week or so, and i must say its the most fun ship ever. i cant even stand to pull my gank-alot caracal out cuz i can now see that its a brick. MINMATAR 4TW!!!!!!
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.05.22 16:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Dahak2150 No, it's just that the ships are horribly, horribly ugly. Nobody wants to drive a car that looks like it's just been put together by a kids set of dirty K'nex, nobody likes to fly a ship that looks like that either. Speak for yourself... I love most if not all minmatar ship designs. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Shafty	Posted - 2006.05.22 17:26:00 - [53] PVE with min ships is easy, especially Angels, try firing lasers at em and see how long that takes
Tehyarec	Posted - 2006.05.22 17:30:00 - [54] Well, aside from a Probe for loot collecting, I bought a Rifter a few days ago, and damn it's a fun ship. It blew up though, silly me, gotta make a new one, since it rocks Really quite a bit more fun to fly than Gallente frigs. Not to mention that even with my godawful skills I almost completed level 3 Retribution with it Now, if only I had a Wolf/Jaguar so I could properly do level 3 missions with a FUN ship. Well, Ishkur/Enyo will be nice too, but at this rate I'm not sure which one I'll be training first I can see myself flying Minmatar quite a bit in the future, given that in addition to Wolf /Jaguar I want a Cyclone (maybe Sleipnir in the looong run) and a Machariel too
madaluap	Posted - 2006.05.22 17:37:00 - [55] uuuuh im gallente specced but i fly minmatar, well if fly stabber OMFG THAT SHIPS PWNS11!!1one!111 _________________________________________________ OW YEH BABEH, I GOT THE GLITTERS I GOT EM
Raider Zero	Posted - 2006.05.22 17:41:00 - [56] The thing that everybody has elluded to, but nobody has said is this, "Minmatar are harder because they are not specialized into any one or two areas." As a new-ish (call me a noob and I'll find a way to pod you ) Minnie, I can say that it's somewhat frustrating to know that Amarr can train armor tank and lasers and pretty much kick butt immediately. Caldari-shields and missiles and whoop ass. Me, I have chosen to fly several different Minnie ships and each requires different skills, hence I've got zero proficiencies in any important area and am a 'Jack-of-all-Trades which we know means mediocre at most if not all. That being said, Eve's strength is the variety and versatility in the game. If all I wanted was to spam missiles and uber tank until I had a pile of isk, I could do that, but then I'd get bored and quit eve. Instead, I'll take the challenge and the gimp of not being specialized and still making it all work somehow. I'll shield tank my Cyclone and armor tank my 'Phoon. I'll use a Tempy for arty's and make a missile boat of something else. That's what you get for signing on as a Minmatar-additional challenge and opportunity to experience the 'whole' game.
Cohkka	Posted - 2006.05.22 17:43:00 - [57] I played as a high skilled Minmatar for over 2 years (well, if you call min BS and 8 mil sp in Gunnery as high). Now I'm going for Gallente. As far as I can tell they're 100% better at NPCing than Minmatar. As for PvP I don't know jet, just know that I'm gonna miss my Claw and Tempest big time...
SengH	Posted - 2006.05.22 17:50:00 - [58] lol as a leadership specced minnie pilot... its a very very very very long road ahead... im @ 21mil SP and im looking at another 1.5 years of training before I get fully t2 specced. Let alone in a flagship. Oh yeah and I have 280k sp in industry so im no carebear :P. When npcing in a tempest you have to worry about the frigs getting to close, transversals etc... where in a raven its just warp in @ 20km and start firing.
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2006.05.22 17:52:00 - [59] Originally by: Testy Mctest It's often been said that flying Minmatar is playing the game in hard mode. It's really not far from the truth. Our weapons have comparable damage as an elastic band gun, artillery tracking is about as useful as stephen hawking with a ak47 and they're harder to fit than a cube into a circular hole, our ships have about as much capacitor power as a Morris Minor. We have a higher proportion of useless ships than any other race, and out slots aren't specialised to do any specific thing. Somehow, in all this rough, there are diamonds. The Rifter, the Rupture, the Vagabond, the Cyclone, the Tempest, and more all play their roles very well. Why? Mostly because of pilot ingenuity. We don't have the best of anything, really (except the Vagabond, arguably the best solo ship in the game), but we make do, and make do quite well. There's nothing wrong with having rolled Minmatar. You just have to work at it :P QFT Ison's notches
Ghoest	Posted - 2006.05.22 21:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Raider Zero The thing that everybody has elluded to, but nobody has said is this, "Minmatar are harder because they are not specialized into any one or two areas." Thats really NOT the issue. At least when it comes to PVE. Even with good well rounded skills the end game Minmatar ships are weak compared to other races for PVE. I think the big exception would be the Sleipnair(spellling) but thats the most skill intensive Minm ship of all. Some of the armor tankers stack up fairly well against rats found in Amar space too. But even then they have no real advanted to Amar ships. Wherever you went - here you are.
Tsanse Kinske	Posted - 2006.05.22 21:51:00 - [61] /raises hand Caldari trying to fly Minmatar exclusively...speed, style, and AC. That means air conditioning, right? * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. - Douglas Adams
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.05.23 02:34:00 - [62] Originally by: Testy Mctest Once you fly a Vagabond, you never want to get into another ship again. Ever. I have flow vagas... and I rather dislike them as they aren't my style. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Phelan Boots	Posted - 2006.05.23 04:48:00 - [63] My first character was a Brutor, with some extra points into charisma for a good "well rounded" feel. I decided missles are fun...and trained for caldari ships. Well I realized charisma was meh and decided I would reroll my character. I figured I would go caldari this time and go straight to missiles after I finished my learning skills. In the mean time I played around with my first character, mostly flying missions in a Kestrel or Caracal. Well by the time I was done with learning skills I was damned well tired of flying around a slow ass Kestrel/Caracal and spamming missles all over the place. I wanted to fly something fast and fun, hell I had taken to ratting in 0.2 space in a rifter with my old character just to keep myself entertained. (Keep up that transversal and bring a lot of ammo.) Now I fly Rifters and, come Friday, a Jaguar. I have to say zooming around in a MWD/AC Stabber is SO much more fun than running away while spamming missiles. Stick with Minmatar, at any rate, I will.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.05.23 07:18:00 - [64] Originally by: Kaylana Syi I have flow vagas... and I rather dislike them as they aren't my style. I know you fly Caldari so, I assume you dislike fast ships? Testy's Eve Blog - Updated 22/05/06!
Trefnis	Posted - 2006.05.23 07:23:00 - [65] Minmatar are very good for pvp but you just need lots of skills. Once you have guns t2, missiles t2, drones t2, armor/shield rep/hardeners t2 cap skills and such you can pwn most opponents even if they know you are in tempest and they prepare for you. You can shield tank and gank/armor tank and ew stay at range with barrage, get close with hail, therm with phased and kill frigs with precisions. You just need to wait till you are about 30-35m sp :P
Winter Star	Posted - 2006.05.23 09:01:00 - [66] Edited by: Winter Star on 23/05/2006 09:02:10 I've wanted a 'phoon for some inexplicable reason ever since I first saw one. However I never went any further than getting a Rupture (which I love for pvp btw ).... until last night when i took the plunge and bought a Tyhpoon.... I wont beleive it sucks until i actually try it - At the least it's got to be more entertaining than the Fire and Forget Raven i've been flying for the past few months.
goodby4u	Posted - 2006.05.23 09:16:00 - [67] Im minmatar and I fly amarr,not because minmatar are bad at all...Just look bad. Plus with amarr I see a cool lightshow and waste no ammo doing it =).
Dire Lauthris	Posted - 2006.05.23 09:42:00 - [68] For me, the rifter is the best ship I've ever flown. Hopping into that scrapheap challenge pod-racer after chugging about in a Raven for a week always puts a smile on my face. See, there it is now. ->

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