What fallout?
Everything seems to be a-ok. :D

Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

Given the sad state of dust game play (I've been playing since closed beta, on the community and promises), it isn't really a stretch to say that dust is a legion beta.

Well ... I guess it makes sense to be pissed.

I just wonder about what exactly.


Did CCP say they'll shut down DUST?

What are dust boards and how exactly do they concern us?

Say it or not, that is what is going to happen.
They aren't going to fund TWO failed shooters. I have a feeling that a lot of the resources for dust have been diverted to the legion project for a while now. Dust certainly has felt like it has been an afterthought for a while now.

On the twitch feed (when they were attempting to run damage control) they asked for our feedback.

Giving your feedback on the dust boards gets your post deleted and your account banned at the moment.
It has clearly become an issue of censoring dissent, a few questions that CCP needs to answer...

A few simple questions:

How long has CCP known that they were going to be scrapping dust for legion?

Is it proper that they continued to accept payment for aurum and SP boosters, while only "maybe" being able to move characters to the next iteration?

They decided to run an event this week. In the event, you got bonus SP for using a AURUM suit. Is it proper that they ran this event just days before they announced that they were scrapping the project to work on Legion, and that they weren't sure if they would be able to transfer characters across the platforms?

The dust boards are a sony/ccp official game boards for the game Dust 514.

They concern us, because CCP has engaged in questionable business practices, and if they don't resolve these issues, Legion will never be given a chance by anyone that has played dust, or any of their friends, or anyone that actually enjoys FPS.

Legion will not fail. PC Master Race will prevent it from failing.

Dust 514 has been one failure and mistake after the next. They absolutely needed to rebrand it, and get off the PS3.

But if the same team is working on it, Legion will be a failure too.
I wouldn't expect the pessimism expressed here to be understood by the players of the modern eve... You would have to have actually played dust for the last year to truly understand it.

It is garbage. They reintroduce the same old bugs, and balance issues with every new patch. The only reason any of the dusties play it, is the promises CCP made for it, and the community that built up around those promises.

Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

CCP needed to make clear from the beginning that dust was a Legion beta.

CCP made an aurum event right before they made this announcement, knowing full well that some of the players of dust will not be able to make the move from PS3 to PC. If that isn't a cash grab, I don't know what is.

The event gave long term SP rewards, at the cost of real money. Long term rewards that some players will never see.

If dust was a legion beta, they needed to be straightforward with their customers.

I would personally like to thank all of the DUST514 players that beta tested the game for us.

I hope there will be no Microtransaction, Aurum events and such sh.it in Legion. Solid FPS with a deep connection to EVE. Free for EVE subs. One billion percent success!

Edit: Maybe add three new character slots for Legion Chars to EVE accounts for people that play Legion.

Dust as been crap from day one its just now that the dust player base realizes how screwed over they really are. I would tell them to go shoot a monument.... Oh thats right they dont have one

The dust boards are a sony/ccp official game boards for the game Dust 514.

They concern us, because CCP has engaged in questionable business practices, and if they don't resolve these issues, Legion will never be given a chance by anyone that has played dust, or any of their friends, or anyone that actually enjoys FPS.

What questionable business practices? If they annunced Dust was canned tomorrow, with no legion, would you say the same thing? Seriously people whining are idiots. Its a game, ccp can close or change their game anytime for any reason. sheesh. You have barely any info, stop knee jerking and wait till you get more info. Or quit and don;t bloody worry about it. As its a ******* game.

So are they actually discontinuing DUST or are they just porting it to PC under Legion? Haven't seen the feed about the changes.

Makes me wonder when legion will even launch. I doubt it'll be within the next year, but since they've already got all the game assets, and a 3rd party engine, I suppose they could do it really quick. I assume they won't do it until they've got their brand new matchmaking, scavenger mode, UI, and dust obsolescence plan, which I would be extremely surprised if it happens within the next year.

I'm waiting for Next Fanfest when they announce they're closing EvE and will launch a new space sandbox MMP called Adam in the next two or three years.

Then I will enjoy the sweet, sweet tears as Goonswarm declares 'Mission Accomplished'.

Legion will not fail. PC Master Race will prevent it from failing.

Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

IBTL

Say it or not, that is what is going to happen.
They aren't going to fund TWO failed shooters. I have a feeling...

DUST*

*Expires 5-14

Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

boohoo EVE players, too, paid to develop a game that they didn't get to play.

Funny how fast DUST players forget that and complain about their revenue being misspent.

At least now we know what the name was all about. DUST GÇá 5/14.

Basically, they're taking everything they've promised for DUST over the past two years, and instead porting them into a new game on a different platform. It would be like CCP putting EVE on life support, making an EVE 2 with all of the ideas they've revealed over the past couple years, and make it a PS4 exclusive.

Very shady business practices, especially when you consider they had promos last week designed to fuel microtransactions when they had to have known this announcement was coming. Looks like "Greed is Good" is alive and well, hopefully it stays out of the EVE portion of the universe this time.

Exactly.

CCP rolls up to fan fest this year for the EvE keynote: Instead of that, you get tons of information about "ADAM"... a XBONE exclusive sequal/port of the game, and none about EVE. Adam is going to be everything they promised over the last 2 years, but *maybe* your SP/ISK *MIGHT* get transferred over.

And they had a micro-transaction event for SP THIS WEEK. Spend more money, get more SP. And then you can use the SP on.... nothing, because a lot of the players will be unable to make the move to PC. Cash grab.

And they had a micro-transaction event for SP THIS WEEK. Spend more money, get more SP. And then you can use the SP on.... nothing, because a lot of the players will be unable to make the move to PC. Cash grab.

LINK BROKEN! WANT LAUGH!

Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

You had to pay to play a game that is free to play?

Fixed

So you guys don't think that the lack of any significant dust announcments doesn't signal the end of dust? You really think they are going to develop two shooters simultaneously?

CCP is STILL selling Aurum boosters to those dusties that don't know about the announcements. Many of them will never be able to use their SP once it gets the PC port ( Gaming PCs are kind of expensive, as well as the alternatives to computers people find in smart phones and tablets)

What will you do now CCP? All you had left was the diehard fans, and now they will be leaving. I actually pulled out a glass and gave a small toast as I initiated the biomass process on my clones.

Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

Given the sad state of dust game play (I've been playing since closed beta, on the community and promises), it isn't really a stretch to say that dust is a legion beta.

Ok, so My biggest concerns over this whole fiasco are.

1. How will CCP respond to this? Because being a dust player. Dust is dead at this point. Nobody wants to put time and energy into a game that will be canned soon.

2. Did the CPM know about it? (yes our crappy non voted in Dust version of CSM) Did they know that it was going to be canned? And if so, why didn't they tell us about it. (who cares about NDA when the game you are representing will be destroyed)

To me its just a REALLY big screw up on CCP. There are people who travelled to Iceland for DUST 514. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159617

There is one of them.

What will you do now CCP? All you had left was the diehard fans, and now they will be leaving. I actually pulled out a glass and gave a small toast as I initiated the biomass process on my clones.

Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.

Ok, so My biggest concerns over this whole fiasco are.

1. How will CCP respond to this? Because being a dust player. Dust is dead at this point. Nobody wants to put time and energy into a game that will be canned soon.

2. Did the CPM know about it? (yes our crappy non voted in Dust version of CSM) Did they know that it was going to be canned? And if so, why didn't they tell us about it. (who cares about NDA when the game you are representing will be destroyed)

To me its just a REALLY big screw up on CCP. There are people who travelled to Iceland for DUST 514. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159617

There is one of them.

What will you do now CCP? All you had left was the diehard fans, and now they will be leaving. I actually pulled out a glass and gave a small toast as I initiated the biomass process on my clones.

Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.

They didn't show us anything that confirmed their commitment to dust. There is no way we could interpret it as anything but that they aren't. I just don't see them working on both simultaneously... They have had enough problems getting ONE of them to work, nevermind two.

Because they don't even know if they will be able to transfer characters over. And also it'd be like incarna, except instead of WiS. You get EVE 2.0, but it's on Mac OS only.

They took the playerbase that supported the game and kept it alive. And threw them under the Madrugar. Moving it to a different platform without even the promise of the time you spent being worth anything.

They showed that, rather than abandon the entire failing enterprise like they did with WoD, they are doing their best to keep it alive in some potentially sustainable form.

That's a kind of commitment.

So....there's absolutely nothing from CCP stating that they're halting work on dust514? All of the characters you have on dust will remain in dust, what's the problem?

If legion is a separate entity from dust, why should there be any character transfer at all? If I *shudder* buy Call of Duty for the PS4 and then for the PC, I won't get to transfer all of my unlocked weapons/killstreaks/prestiges/whatever from PS4 to PC. Different platform and all that.

Dust 514 has been one failure and mistake after the next. They absolutely needed to rebrand it, and get off the PS3.

But if the same team is working on it, Legion will be a failure too.
I wouldn't expect the pessimism expressed here to be understood by the players of the modern eve... You would have to have actually played dust for the last year to truly understand it.

It is garbage. They reintroduce the same old bugs, and balance issues with every new patch. The only reason any of the dusties play it, is the promises CCP made for it, and the community that built up around those promises.

To me its just a REALLY big screw up on CCP. There are people who travelled to Iceland for DUST 514. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159617

There is one of them.

We were promised integration of dust/eve. We were promised PVE, a player market, all sorts of things. And we put up with all the problems of dust, in the hopes that one day we would get to have what we were promised. If we are to believe that is still going to happen, CCP needs to EXPLICITLY say so. They need to be transparent about this now.

They didn't show us anything that confirmed their commitment to dust. There is no way we could interpret it as anything but that they aren't. I just don't see them working on both simultaneously... They have had enough problems getting ONE of them to work, nevermind two.

Because they don't even know if they will be able to transfer characters over. And also it'd be like incarna, except instead of WiS. You get EVE 2.0, but it's on Mac OS only.

They took the playerbase that supported the game and kept it alive. And threw them under the Madrugar. Moving it to a different platform without even the promise of the time you spent being worth anything.

We were promised integration of dust/eve. We were promised PVE, a player market, all sorts of things. And we put up with all the problems of dust, in the hopes that one day we would get to have what we were promised. If we are to believe that is still going to happen, CCP needs to EXPLICITLY say so. They need to be transparent about this now.

Still doesn't mean that PS3 version is canned. As I stated while they maybe working on Legion, they still have a crew working on Dust. Some improvements from the former can and might be used on the latter.

The simple fact that CCP has decided to even port over to the PC shows there is still hope for the PS3 version and the IP in general. Shockingly enough there are some who prefer console over PC and some who prefer PC over console, so having the ability to market to both can be beneficial

I see how this can be interpreted wrong, but still not enough to assume CCP is axing Dust.

However now DUST players know how many Eve players feel when it comes to FanFest over the past few years. Most keynotes and features where about DUST or about ways of linking DUST to Eve. Which is also ironic because it sounds like CCP pissed in both bases cheerios by screwing over Eve and not delivering to Dust.



They don't know because there is probably no plans to shut down the PS3 version. The PC version is separate from the PS3 version in regards to the teams working on them.

This all still sounds like paranoia simply because CCP didn't pay as much attention to Dust as they wanted. Not that Dust is being shut down.

I'm pretty sure they were very transparent, and explicitly so. They said they would continue building on dust for the forseable future. Will that forseable future be "less than a year from now"? Possibly, but that is more towards the fact that the PS3 is on it's way out of the market.

They also said that Legion will not be replacing dust, but rather building from it.

Aaaand you played a Beta, not a released title. I'm sure you havent been in many betas, because of the way your tears flow, but let me just tell you that not a lot of them make it as launch titles, and not all of the ones that do continue with their business model *Ask Tera, they went from P2P to P2WF2P, or MWO*

[..]We were promised [..] we were promised [..] They need to be transparent about this now.

In other news, Sony is doing refunds for AUR bought within the last few months, and I have heard of cases were they are doing a full refund for all dust related purchases over the years. I am going to call myself and see how that is going

Do you really think they are going to keep TWO FPSs running in tandem with eve, developing BOTH of them?
The majority of the dust community doesn't. And nothing about the keynote gave them any hope for such.
This is something that CCP needs to clarify.

i fail to see the issue, have you been on steam? seems that's how games companies operate these days "give us some money for "early access""

Dust was "released" last year my friend. I played the beta as well.

In other news, Sony is doing refunds for AUR bought within the last few months, and I have heard of cases were they are doing a full refund for all dust related purchases over the years. I am going to call myself and see how that is going

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Are you new here? We were promised WIS, ship skins, player run stations, player build stargates, modular POSes, dynamic missions, a reliable API, [insert random brain farts] from CCP marketing...

Oh, please have a link with proof of that.

From a base level they are the same FPS just on 2 different platforms, much different from 2 completely different FPSs. Granted some things they might wanna do on PC they can't do on console. This DOES NOT MEAN that PS3 will be scrapped completely for the PC overlord version. It just might mean that the PS3 version will be scaled down a bit from the PC version, possibly due to limitations.

It is too early for the sky to be falling in regards to this announcement.

We were promised integration of dust/eve. We were promised PVE, a player market, all sorts of things. And we put up with all the problems of dust, in the hopes that one day we would get to have what we were promised. If we are to believe that is still going to happen, CCP needs to EXPLICITLY say so. They need to be transparent about this now.

We were promised integration of dust/eve. We were promised PVE, a player market, all sorts of things. And we put up with all the problems of dust, in the hopes that one day we would get to have what we were promised. If we are to believe that is still going to happen, CCP needs to EXPLICITLY say so. They need to be transparent about this now.

They scrapped the EVE Classic Client because it was too hard to keep up with 2 clients, and all that was was a graphics/engine difference. Yeah, DUST is dead.

DUST is still crap that needs a ton of support and changes to even be made decent. By shifting their focus to the new game, even if they aren't officially closing the servers, they are effectively killing the game, because there is zero chance now that it will actually evolve into the product that was envisioned.

Perfectly stated.

This. This is the truth.

I hope there will be no Microtransaction, Aurum events and such sh.it in Legion. Solid FPS with a deep connection to EVE. Free for EVE subs. One billion percent success!

Edit: Maybe add three new character slots for Legion Chars to EVE accounts for people that play Legion.

The event gave long term SP rewards, at the cost of real money.

Are you telling us you didn't enjoy playing it?

I bought Nuclear Dawn a long time ago, played it for 2 or 3 weeks, enjoyed the hell out of it, and then stopped playing. I don't even know why I stopped... it was so much fun. (Superior tactics beats superior numbers, even when the teams were at 2 vs 10+.) I spent the $ on the game, got my enjoyment out of it for a short time, and I feel like I got great value.

If you aren't enjoying dust, and feel like you've thrown away good money after bad... well, that's called a "sunk cost fallacy." Stop it. But if you're enjoying it for what it is, power to you. Keep at it. You even still have plenty of time to keep enjoying it for while it lasts.

What's more concerning is this... this announcement alone will cost CCP a whole ton of trust. If they closed down Dust today and said "ok, dust is done, it's legion from now on," I'd say screw that, not gonna touch that mess. But they still have time to handle the transition. They have a chance to do whatever basic playability bug fixes on dust, even if it's not going to be any new feature development. Hell, even any level design, balance tweaks, asset creation, all that will probably hit dust before legion is even launched. But, if they close dust and launch legion, and legion isn't the thing everybody's been dreaming about since the day everyone was disappointed with the "console only" announcement before everyone felt betrayed with the "sony only" announcement... well, then legion will be DOA as well.

As it stands, I wouldn't be even a little bit surprised if the old dust bunnies get huge huge huge advantages with the legion transition. And damn, you guys will have earned it.

Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game

Nobody paid to play DUST.

It was very common among closed/open beta vets to buy a few SP boosters here or there. The price added up quickly.

I understand the reason why they are doing this, but this is just a horrible way of breaking the news to the Dust players.

i understood that chars will be ported to new game possibly with skill points and or some kind of compensation what exactly is a problem here?

Are you telling us you didn't enjoy playing it?

I bought Nuclear Dawn a long time ago, played it for 2 or 3 weeks, enjoyed the hell out of it, and then stopped playing. I don't even know why I stopped... it was so much fun. (Superior tactics beats superior numbers, even when the teams were at 2 vs 10+.) I spent the $ on the game, got my enjoyment out of it for a short time, and I feel like I got great value.

If you aren't enjoying dust, and feel like you've thrown away good money after bad... well, that's called a "sunk cost fallacy." Stop it. But if you're enjoying it for what it is, power to you. Keep at it. You even still have plenty of time to keep enjoying it for while it lasts.

What's more concerning is this... this announcement alone will cost CCP a whole ton of trust. If they closed down Dust today and said "ok, dust is done, it's legion from now on," I'd say screw that, not gonna touch that mess. But they still have time to handle the transition. They have a chance to do whatever basic playability bug fixes on dust, even if it's not going to be any new feature development. Hell, even any level design, balance tweaks, asset creation, all that will probably hit dust before legion is even launched. But, if they close dust and launch legion, and legion isn't the thing everybody's been dreaming about since the day everyone was disappointed with the "console only" announcement before everyone felt betrayed with the "sony only" announcement... well, then legion will be DOA as well.

As it stands, I wouldn't be even a little bit surprised if the old dust bunnies get huge huge huge advantages with the legion transition. And damn, you guys will have earned it.

I understand the reason why they are doing this, but this is just a horrible way of breaking the news to the Dust players.

Dust was "released" last year my friend. I played the beta as well.

In other news, Sony is doing refunds for AUR bought within the last few months, and I have heard of cases were they are doing a full refund for all dust related purchases over the years. I am going to call myself and see how that is going

The big selling point of dust was the potential and the promise of it. As a game in and of itself it is worse than nearly every other mainstream fps on the market.

I have absolutely no pity for CCP over Dust. They asked for this reaming, and now they are getting it.

F2P (aka P2W) games always turn into a shitstorm when people realize they aren't getting what their spending cash for. CCP should have stuck to what they know best. They should have made Dust a subscription based service with the ability buy game time with ingame funds as well. The PLEX system works very well in EvE for players that have more time than money. For players that have less time to play, then here's my hundred bucks for the year.

With a monthly sub, CCP can count on monthly income. When the game doesn't pan out for someone, just unsub. Whoever pitched the "Hey lets make a F2P game and put it on consoles :D" in a CCP board meeting needs to get a boot in their ass.

I'm going to call it now, so I can say I told you so later.

"Legion WILL FAIL exactly the same way Dust has if you do not drop this F2P/P2W bullshit and stick with what you know best." -- Belt Scout, 5/3/2014

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Your post might have merit if you weren't so painfully confused about what Free to Play is as opposed to Pay to Win.

I'm sure they'll all be so angry that they were permanently banned from a free game after they got their refund for everything else.

I am not unsympathetic, to a degree.
But you do need to consider that most EVE players felt the same way when DUST was announced to be, at least initially, a PS3 exclusive. We griped, especially those that felt they were funding a game they could or would never play.

In this case however your money spent still serves you in a game that will continue to have work done to it to improve game play, if not add new content.... and that game will still be available to you for at least a year or so.

You may also be able to try a vastly upgraded version of that game with a spiffy transferred character... but if that is not possible at least you will be yards ahead of the rest of the pack when it comes to experience at playing the game.

To be perfectly honest it looks like the technical capabilities promised by Sony are not able to actually be realized in a practical way. CCP seems to have hit a hard limit in what the PS3 platform can actually deliver, and it falls far short of the game they intend to ultimately create. In other words, perhaps they were a bit too trusting.

I believe, when they took stock of the technical issues that just weren't going to ever be solved on the PS3, they cast their eyes on the PS4 and PC platform possibilities with wiser eyes. They had always intended for DUST to head in one or both of those directions eventually.... but now they had the practical experience to make the hard call that the PS4 just wasn't going to have the electronic balls to run the game they intend to create.

I can't find it in my heart to blame them, and it was probably a hard call to make.

On a realistic level, I have a hard time believing that the vast majority of DUST players don't already have at least a basic gaming PC at home as well. The price difference between a basic gaming PC (which also does so much more than a console) frankly isn't that big.

Obviously there will be exceptions, but truthfully there are worse things than finding out that your favorite free to play game ended up having about the same lifespan as most other console games in the end... and if they ever do decide to join the rest of us in this millennium and buy a decent computer at some point they will find a much better developed version of that game they loved waiting for them.

F2P (aka P2W) games always turn into a shitstorm when people realize they aren't getting what their spending cash for. CCP should have stuck to what they know best. They should have made Dust a subscription based service with the ability buy game time with ingame funds as well. The PLEX system works very well in EvE for players that have more time than money. For players that have less time to play, then here's my hundred bucks for the year.

Then explain to me how Dust isn't pay to win. People can buy stuff with real money that gives them an edge over someone that doesn't.

So you want the game to be free with no microtransactions? Who do you think is going to pay for it? The game fairy?

Dust 514 has been one failure and mistake after the next. They absolutely needed to rebrand it, and get off the PS3.

But if the same team is working on it, Legion will be a failure too.
I wouldn't expect the pessimism expressed here to be understood by the players of the modern eve... You would have to have actually played dust for the last year to truly understand it.

It is garbage. They reintroduce the same old bugs, and balance issues with every new patch. The only reason any of the dusties play it, is the promises CCP made for it, and the community that built up around those promises.

If you say it's been garbage, why have you played it for a year?

Dust monetization works a lot like PLEX. You essentially trade your real life cash, for getting benefits that you would get if you had more time to play DUST. Besides a few bugged items (that had better stats than they should have), there was nothing in dust that you couldn't get by playing the game more. There is no problem with their monetization scheme at base. The problem with it, is that they continued to sell SP booster items, while they knew that a large portion of their playerbase wouldn't reap the rewards that skill points provide. SP is essentially a LONG TERM investment, while the game's life cycle is in question right now. They gave us no timeline on LEGION release, and no guarantee on how long dust will be supported. All the while, the community is threatening to mass quit because of these unknown variables. If they don't do something to alleviate the dust community's fears, there wont be anyone to play with either way.

i understood that chars will be ported to new game possibly with skill points and or some kind of compensation what exactly is a problem here?

ps3 belong to history as in time that past away,they didn't release dust as beta for legion 2 years ago they just realized they failed and moved on.

ftp shooter went bad big whoop.

I will readily agree with you that they need to quickly come up with some realistic information as to what will be done to fix bugs/stream line game play for the rest of DUSTS life, and give a reasonable expectation on how long that support will last. Otherwise exactly what you stated will occur (and that would be very unfortunate all the way around).

Thanks for explaining the pay to win myth to the other poster. Books on the subject have been written on these forums years ago and I didn't relish the idea of putting that baby to bed all over again.

As to people not owning an actual computer as much any more... well... I'm more inclined to say that younger people tend to prefer more portable solutions such as a phone or tablet (unless they are a gamer). But we are discussing people that are pretty into gaming, and to be honest Legion will likely draw an older crowd (especially if it's ties to EVE are more developed) that depends more heavily on having a decent computer at home for both work and play (and shopping, and banking, and bill paying, and all the other things that are easier and more secure to do on a computer than a phone or tablet).

I'm not dismissing your point out of hand, and certainly not trying to cast younger gamers in a bad light, but I honestly don't know a single adult under the age of 70 that doesn't have a computer at home.

While porting the char over to the PC version is fine and good, in my corp only 1 out of the 25 or so dust players has a PC capable of playing Eve let alone having whatever specs Legion will require when it comes out. These people are console gamers, if it's not on a console they're not gaming on it. I'm certain that if you ask around you'll find many many corps that have similar numbers.

You can purchase a computer capable of playing EVE for far, far less than what a console will cost... so, no offense, but I'm going to have to say "Citation needed".

Fiddle, I'll agree that in an ideal world they would evolve DUST into something that will play equally well on both PC and on a PS4.

However if it's a choice between developing the game we all want to see, or remaining limited because you want to keep it on the PS3 / PS4 also, I'm sorry but I going to have to support their decision.

It was very common among closed/open beta vets to buy a few SP boosters here or there. The price added up quickly.

Well the thing is for Dust, I don't see this changing anything for that. The reaction is full speculation. If the player base keeps playing and spending money, it moves forward. I

If CCP and we can raise ISK or $ for people in need. Well now is the time to aid those dust players that have been hit.

My guess is that we can help at least a few thousand dusties with a new pc rig able to play legion and / or sell their ps3 and / or a character and asset transfer (minimum deal) and / or give them something extra at being further then all the rest (not counting SP) in the new Eve: Legion.

If they don't, well why help people far away and not your closest ones, for that does not make sense to me.

-Ela

Dust has no player base. An MMO with peak 5k concurrency is an MMO which is going to be closed. The numbers that dust had would barely cover the costs of the hosting. Just ask David Reid, he presided over the shutting down over another FPS MMO - I know I was also there too, one of the many who lost their jobs.

If CCP and we can raise ISK or $ for people in need. Well now is the time to aid those dust players that have been hit.

My guess is that we can help at least a few thousand dusties with a new pc rig able to play legion and / or sell their ps3 and / or a character and asset transfer (minimum deal) and / or give them something extra at being further then all the rest (not counting SP) in the new Eve: Legion.

If they don't, well why help people far away and not your closest ones, for that does not make sense to me.

-Ela

Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.

I would like to thank most of the recent posters for coming up with good comments and reasonable counterpoints. Much better than the 00:00 crowd with their tear buckets.

1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?

If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon.

What fallout?
Everything seems to be a-ok. :D

CCP comments here

This bit made me laugh, sorry

Considering there's a list here of people rage biomassing. I wonder how many people will be asking for their characters back :P

that list of the biomassed made my day

I'll just note that for those biomassing your characters, you might want to keep them if you have any intention whatsoever of even trying out the Project when it become playable. You're just throwing away free **** by biomassing. For those that have already biomassed, be advised you can get them back via support ticket.

Do you think soilent green will be a thing in pi now?

Ok, I think Ive caught up

So...

People are Biomassing because they have PS3s?

Is that right?

thats exactly right yes.

thats exactly right yes.

All right! What do I win?

Interesting.

I have a rather bad connection to my WiFi router right now
and it seems that posts don't show up after I clicked POST
and take around 10 seconds until they hit the forums.


Nothing I ever experienced before.

offer words of sympathy
Please be sincere.

Someone altered the Matrix...

Dust isn't an mmo, just connected to one. Matches are limited in participation (still 16x16?). It doesn't have all the overhead a traditional mmo server does on many levels. Quake Live has survived and developed on fewer active players, it's not an mmo either. It's technical-heresy to call Dust an mmo. I've played a number of sub-based MMOFPS' for years, and I know a bit about server architecture for mmo's, hands on. Dust is no mmo and it's servers are nowhere close to as demanding as one.

For all intent and purpose, Dust will function like an MMO - it will have all the same services. The overheads aren't as great as one with a proper player base but it still requires plenty of hardware, bandwidth and a NOC department to keep it all going.

I'm just wondering about this.

And nobody else seems to have this,
else somebody would have complained about it already.


Damn, I just realized I explained it wrong.


I click POST and the forum page loads.
But without my post on it.

It takes around ten seconds until the post actually shows up.

Unlike normally, when it shows up instantly.




edit: and this post showed up instantly ... as expected ... because I switched connection
to a much closer one, which I have much better connectivity to. to? hm. english. pffff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXc-Ka65QI

From the dust community, what is left of it anyway.

You can stay. And whoever made that. Grab their stuff before they biomass and leg it.

Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

Given the sad state of dust game play (I've been playing since closed beta, on the community and promises), it isn't really a stretch to say that dust is a legion beta.

I'm a little confused as to why people are getting so upset over a game that is free to download and play?

This isn't minecraft where you literally paid for a beta that never got finished - you don't have to spend a dime and you're an idiot if you ever did.

They haven't said anything about how or if our assets will transfer over from DUST *IF* they scrap DUST for Legion.
Please loosen your tinfoil hats a little, and calm down. Trust CCP to not screw themselves over.

I think we are mostly mad that we are idiots, talked ourselves into supporting dust and CCP, and now can't believe it when what was always going to happen actually happened. I stand among them, I put over 100$ dollars into CCP's wallet to fund this idea of theirs.

The tears when people wake up to the fact that CCP responds to chargebacks with permabans will be glorious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXc-Ka65QI

From the dust community, what is left of it anyway.

The funny part is, if CCP *does* transfer skills and assets over from DUST players to Legion, it will probably hurt their influx of new players. It could turn out like current DUST, where "vets" proto-stomp all of the newbies into such a bad experience that they consider the game a lost cause.

I think we are mostly mad that we are idiots, talked ourselves into supporting dust and CCP, and now can't believe it when what was always going to happen actually happened. I stand among them, I put over 100$ dollars into CCP's wallet to fund this idea of theirs.

I have a feeling that will be a fairly major focus of "what to do differently in Legion" programming and design.

If it's really the same team behind both games, I've believe that about 6 months after I see it.

Fair point, but that same team were the first ones to point out the various flaws in DUST that they would like to focus on correcting in Legion.

One way to do it would be to handle it in a more EVE like fashion, where progression is less linear and vertical in power creep... and instead make progression allow new abilities instead of just becoming more powerful in a few. This way a relatively new player can become just as proficient (or very nearly so) at one thing as a seasoned vet, while the vet retains the advantage of being able to do many things well.

To do this, however, requires a vast range of abilities and equipment to master... which in turn requires a UI with enough depth and complexity to represent it all in an intelligent and easy to navigate way... which in turn requires a platform to run it all on that has a control scheme that can handle all that.

Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

Given the sad state of dust game play (I've been playing since closed beta, on the community and promises), it isn't really a stretch to say that dust is a legion beta.