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Clem Dals Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:08:00 - [1] - Quote So with the new ability to be able to rig freighters, they will be able to cross the threshold of 1 million m3, and therefore be able to take packaged carriers and dreadnoughts into hisec. Has this been considered and will the rules relating to capital ships in hisec be changed?
Velicitia Emergent Avionics 2155	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:15:00 - [2] - Quote probably not, but if so, you still can't use carriers/dreads in hisec anyway (lest ye be cast off to the farthest reaches of the dronelands) not really, but you do get thrown to lowsec. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Clem Dals Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:18:00 - [3] - Quote Here's the link to the current rules regarding capitals in hisec, you could technically rat with them, assign fighters to ratters, etc, or in Chribba's case, mine with them. But assuming that they become much more available, there will be a large amount of people who are unaware of the current rules, and therefor break them. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6372&find=unread Edit: I'm assuming that since most that are in hisec are from CCP/GM mistakes, or are very old, and the rules are in place because of that fact. In keeping with the nature of the sandbox, I would think that if now anyone has the capability of moving a capital ship to hisec, that you should be able to do whatever you want with it. Either that, or increase the packaged volume of carriers and dreads to prevent them from being able to fit.
Legion40k Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra 73	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:20:00 - [4] - Quote they mentioned overhauling freighters in general, so it's safe to assume they're going to nerf freighter cargoholds so you can't get up over the 1million m3 mark with full cargohold rigs

CCP Ytterbium C C P C C P Alliance 3392	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:21:00 - [5] - Quote I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 536	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:23:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. Sweet jesus I was scared for a minute. Its hard living off of second-hand info from fanfest.
Hairpins Blueprint CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans 39	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:23:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?
Clem Dals Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:36:00 - [8] - Quote Hairpins Blueprint wrote: CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now? I would think so. A Rhea at 367,969m3 base with skills at level 5 should be able to hit 577,497m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs. A Charon at 981,250m3 base will skills at level 5 should be at 1,539,991m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs. If my napkin math is correct, and nothing else changes ;)
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 536	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:39:00 - [9] - Quote Hairpins Blueprint wrote: CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now? If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.
Clem Dals Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:46:00 - [10] - Quote Rowells wrote: Hairpins Blueprint wrote: CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now? If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use. I'd be really sad if that were the case. The increased cargo hold would offset a good chunk of the cost increase in jump fuel and keep null-sec flowing a lot more like it is now.

ZehNarume Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 107	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:54:00 - [11] - Quote Clem Dals wrote: Hairpins Blueprint wrote: CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now? I would think so. A Rhea at 367,969m3 base with skills at level 5 should be able to hit 577,497m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs. A Charon at 981,250m3 base will skills at level 5 should be at 1,539,991m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs. If my napkin math is correct, and nothing else changes ;) A Rhea is a tech 2 ship, therefore it will only have 2 rig slots. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2427385 - TS, Mumble & Webhosting -áfor iskies! :3
Arthur Aihaken Erebus Solia 3436	Posted - 2014.05.02 20:58:00 - [12] - Quote Clem Dals wrote: I'd be really sad if that were the case. The increased cargo hold would offset a good chunk of the cost increase in jump fuel and keep null-sec flowing a lot more like it is now. The only way to prevent this is to increase the mass of carriers and dreadnoughts. So I think it's more likely that we see a nerf in cargo capacity, ie: rigging cargohold expanders will return you to pre-rig levels, but running anything else like hyperspacial or hull rigs will see you with less cargo space. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tharin Malkyre Knights of the Ouroboros 22	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:00:00 - [13] - Quote Rowells wrote: Hairpins Blueprint wrote: CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now? If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use. Possible, but it could also mean that packaged dreads/carriers will be on the smuggling list that NPC navies scan for. Freighter wouldn't stand a chance on gate. Or they could just be flicking a switch that says 'if there's a packaged X capital in the hold, disallow gate jump.' The switch exists for capitals already, it could temporarily reclass the freighter to not be capable of making gate jumps into hi. Many possibilities. But an important question to get answered.
Feyrin Unforeseen Consequences. The Unthinkables 16	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:09:00 - [14] - Quote They will just increase the volume of packaged capitals to 2 million m3 its the easiest fix.
Max Kolonko High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance 396	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:30:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. What about supers in wormholes? Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Buhhdust Princess Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 8290	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:37:00 - [16] - Quote You just HAD to put this on eveo didnt you :/
Anogra Strenus Custodes The Volition Cult 19	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:41:00 - [17] - Quote Rowells wrote: Hairpins Blueprint wrote: CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now? If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use. what this guy said. time to put trimarks on our allready fast freigthers to deterr gankers abit xD Anogra
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1435	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:45:00 - [18] - Quote as someone who has been against freighters getting rigs in the past, i am really interested in what they are going to do with this. if current stats arent changed to compensate, u can get freighters with 60 - 70% increase in tank with the same capacity as now, and only a slight nerf to align. or a 50 - 70% buff to capacity and a slight nerf to armour. so will JF's be carrying almost as much as T1 freighters can now? its a big buff. one i didnt think freighters needed. nor did i think they needed a nerf if the stats are changed. And if its in response to freighters getting ganked by goons, it wont stop ppl ganking, and it wont stop ppl complaining on the forums when they get ganked. looking forward to the thread. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Master Odysseus Mythos Corp Nulli Secunda 3	Posted - 2014.05.02 22:18:00 - [19] - Quote Who freaking cares about the extra cargo (although tbh nice to have). The most important thing is safety (aka EHP in our case) and the thing that the orca can get to... what? 0,5 mil EHP while a freighter, the biggest meanest most expensive and skill intesified cargo vessel in Eve gets what? 200k+ EHP? - We are training some useless mining freakin skills in our hauler alts because orca does the job better than our freakin freighter. So what? They won't need 6 talos to kill us, they will need 7, big f*cking deal. Give 1 low slot to freighters to at least add a freaking DCU. Edit: Other than that, excellent keynotes, keep up the good work (lol)
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 536	Posted - 2014.05.02 22:36:00 - [20] - Quote Master Odysseus wrote: Who freaking cares about the extra cargo (although tbh nice to have). The most important thing is safety (aka EHP in our case) and the thing that the orca can get to... what? 0,5 mil EHP while a freighter, the biggest meanest most expensive and skill intesified cargo vessel in Eve gets what? 200k+ EHP? - We are training some useless mining freakin skills in our hauler alts because orca does the job better than our freakin freighter. So what? They won't need 6 talos to kill us, they will need 7, big f*cking deal. Give 1 low slot to freighters to at least add a freaking DCU. Edit: Other than that, excellent keynotes, keep up the good work (lol) considering the new hull rigs.... make that 8 talos

Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1436	Posted - 2014.05.02 22:43:00 - [21] - Quote Master Odysseus wrote: Who freaking cares about the extra cargo (although tbh nice to have). The most important thing is safety (aka EHP in our case) and the thing that the orca can get to... what? 0,5 mil EHP while a freighter, the biggest meanest most expensive and skill intesified cargo vessel in Eve gets what? 200k+ EHP? - We are training some useless mining freakin skills in our hauler alts because orca does the job better than our freakin freighter. So what? They won't need 6 talos to kill us, they will need 7, big f*cking deal. Give 1 low slot to freighters to at least add a freaking DCU. Edit: Other than that, excellent keynotes, keep up the good work (lol) let the butthurt flow EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Master Odysseus Mythos Corp Nulli Secunda 4	Posted - 2014.05.02 22:57:00 - [22] - Quote Rowells wrote: Master Odysseus wrote: Who freaking cares about the extra cargo (although tbh nice to have). The most important thing is safety (aka EHP in our case) and the thing that the orca can get to... what? 0,5 mil EHP while a freighter, the biggest meanest most expensive and skill intesified cargo vessel in Eve gets what? 200k+ EHP? - We are training some useless mining freakin skills in our hauler alts because orca does the job better than our freakin freighter. So what? They won't need 6 talos to kill us, they will need 7, big f*cking deal. Give 1 low slot to freighters to at least add a freaking DCU. Edit: Other than that, excellent keynotes, keep up the good work (lol) considering the new hull rigs.... make that 8 talos I already considered them, hence I said "200k+ EHP (now with the new rigs) and from 6 talos (now) to 7 with the new rigs :p
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 423	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:06:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. I have to call this into question. Cap ships in empire mesh a little too neatly with a lot of the other initiatives going forward. Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1436	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:08:00 - [24] - Quote like what? im intrigued EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 424	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:18:00 - [25] - Quote Well, here's the thing, if players will be able to build, quote 'everything' and destroy, and again I quote 'everything' there's a practical limit on this in empire. Beating a large POS to death in high sec, for example, is simply impractical for all but the very largest battleship fleets. Since POS use is likely to increase in Empire with the removal of the standing limitations and the buffs they're going to be getting to offset the changes in manufacturing and research, then there needs to be a logical way to PvP this. In the old days, we'd work this sort of thing by blockaiding the system. However, with Warp to 0 and high sec's ban on bubbles, that's impossible. Unless a battleship fleet is extremely large, even putting a tanked large POS in reenforced mode is difficult at best, and likely to cost more in terms of ships that the POS itself costs if the POS is manned. The only really logical way for PvP to happen here is to allow in dreadnoughts. Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all.
Super spikinator Hegemonous Conscripts 301	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:22:00 - [26] - Quote CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. And the world became a little sadder, a little quieter, its colours a little dimmer and the darkness a little darker.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1436	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:28:00 - [27] - Quote deathstars arent common in high sec. im not sure they'll become common. me and three other guys can POS bash a large tower with a single account each. The increase in POS's doesnt mean that they'll all be more difficult to siege than they already are. but it should make for some interesting pew if they are. just imagine, war decs that arent fought on station, and assets are actually being blown up, with the blueprints inside them!! or maybe everyone will tear down their pos the moment they are decced like they do now. im just not so sure dreads will be needed. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
CompleteFailure Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement 135	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:36:00 - [28] - Quote Rowells wrote: Hairpins Blueprint wrote: CCP Ytterbium wrote: I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec. wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now? If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use. Given the emphasis they're trying to put on increasing null sec industry, this might be one time CCP will look for a alternative solution to the nerf bat.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 425	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:38:00 - [29] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: deathstars arent common in high sec. im not sure they'll become common. me and three other guys can POS bash a large tower with a single account each. The increase in POS's doesnt mean that they'll all be more difficult to siege than they already are. but it should make for some interesting pew if they are. just imagine, war decs that arent fought on station, and assets are actually being blown up, with the blueprints inside them!! or maybe everyone will tear down their pos the moment they are decced like they do now. im just not so sure dreads will be needed. As the bright bulb that opened their mouth and created death stars in the first place, start having enough PvP around them, and you'll have death stars. Particularly if they've got a high value BPO locked in a lab they can't take out (thanks to Industry changes). Unless your thread is limited to how 'awesum!' Eve Online is, ISD will lock the thread.-á You will find it is particularly common if CCP might have to make a public response to the thread subject, as opposed to bury it in the GM que for the forseeable future and then prohibit telling anyone what the GM said, if it's ever answered at all.
Zarnak Wulf In Exile. Imperial Outlaws. 1667	Posted - 2014.05.02 23:42:00 - [30] - Quote I'd expect them to nerf the cargo and then make you decided to fit back for it or fit for tank.



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