I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?

wonder if you could hauld lvl 5 sov upgrades with JF's now?

If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.

I would think so.

A Rhea at 367,969m3 base with skills at level 5 should be able to hit 577,497m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs.
A Charon at 981,250m3 base will skills at level 5 should be at 1,539,991m3 with 3 Tech 2 Cargohold Optimization rigs.

If my napkin math is correct, and nothing else changes ;)

I'd be really sad if that were the case. The increased cargo hold would offset a good chunk of the cost increase in jump fuel and keep null-sec flowing a lot more like it is now.

If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.

I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.

Who freaking cares about the extra cargo (although tbh nice to have). The most important thing is safety (aka EHP in our case) and the thing that the orca can get to... what? 0,5 mil EHP while a freighter, the biggest meanest most expensive and skill intesified cargo vessel in Eve gets what? 200k+ EHP? - We are training some useless mining freakin skills in our hauler alts because orca does the job better than our freakin freighter. So what? They won't need 6 talos to kill us, they will need 7, big f*cking deal.

Give 1 low slot to freighters to at least add a freaking DCU.

Edit: Other than that, excellent keynotes, keep up the good work (lol)

Who freaking cares about the extra cargo (although tbh nice to have). The most important thing is safety (aka EHP in our case) and the thing that the orca can get to... what? 0,5 mil EHP while a freighter, the biggest meanest most expensive and skill intesified cargo vessel in Eve gets what? 200k+ EHP? - We are training some useless mining freakin skills in our hauler alts because orca does the job better than our freakin freighter. So what? They won't need 6 talos to kill us, they will need 7, big f*cking deal.

Give 1 low slot to freighters to at least add a freaking DCU.

Edit: Other than that, excellent keynotes, keep up the good work (lol)

considering the new hull rigs....

make that 8 talos

I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.

deathstars arent common in high sec. im not sure they'll become common.

me and three other guys can POS bash a large tower with a single account each. The increase in POS's doesnt mean that they'll all be more difficult to siege than they already are. but it should make for some interesting pew if they are. just imagine, war decs that arent fought on station, and assets are actually being blown up, with the blueprints inside them!!

or maybe everyone will tear down their pos the moment they are decced like they do now.

im just not so sure dreads will be needed.

Given the emphasis they're trying to put on increasing null sec industry, this might be one time CCP will look for a alternative solution to the nerf bat.

I tend to go with this. If they are going to prevent it, and I don't believe that, but for the sake of argument:

I actually think they'ed go with a legality thing where it gets confiscated, like with drugs.

I'm pretty certain that IF caps can be freighted into high-sec the rules would be moot. But then I don't expect CCP to allow them to be freighted in even after rigs...

/c

I tend to go with this. If they are going to prevent it, and I don't believe that, but for the sake of argument:

I actually think they'ed go with a legality thing where it gets confiscated, like with drugs.

I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

Disgusting, lets just remove suicide ganking all together and ban everyone who isnt a carebear from highsec right?

If I'm hearing this right, they'll most likely nerf the hold so that you can't get more cargo then you could before. Theyre now just giving you options to use.

I tend to go with this. If they are going to prevent it, and I don't believe that, but for the sake of argument:

I actually think they'ed go with a legality thing where it gets confiscated, like with drugs.

I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

But they ARENT options, you can either suck up an in all likelihood SIGNIFICANT cargo nerf in favor of a little more tank that STILL wont save you from someone who decides your worth ganking, or actualy utilizing the full cargohold, except havign even less tank than before because of the cargohold mod/rig penalties.

so its not a choice, its either suck up a cargo-hold nerf and fit tank, or make yourself even easier/cheaper to kill.

Something that I think a fair few of you have failed to notice is that he only mentions that Dreads and Carriers will not be allowed in high-sec. He doesn't mention any thing about not letting the Rorqual into high-sec.

But they ARENT options, you can either suck up an in all likelihood SIGNIFICANT cargo nerf in favor of a little more tank that STILL wont save you from someone who decides your worth ganking, or actualy utilizing the full cargohold, except havign even less tank than before because of the cargohold mod/rig penalties.

so its not a choice, its either suck up a cargo-hold nerf and fit tank, or make yourself even easier/cheaper to kill.

Possible, but it could also mean that packaged dreads/carriers will be on the smuggling list that NPC navies scan for. Freighter wouldn't stand a chance on gate. Or they could just be flicking a switch that says 'if there's a packaged X capital in the hold, disallow gate jump.' The switch exists for capitals already, it could temporarily reclass the freighter to not be capable of making gate jumps into hi. Many possibilities. But an important question to get answered.

They solve the problem by banishing freighters from high sec as well. They did promise there would be new ships, maybe one of them is a freighter lite.

What size are rigs for freighters going to be? Capital or large?

Likely Capital.

actually, i'd put money on large.

like the orca.

What size are rigs for freighters going to be? Capital or large?

I have to call this into question. Cap ships in empire mesh a little too neatly with a lot of the other initiatives going forward.

So with the new ability to be able to rig freighters, they will be able to cross the threshold of 1 million m3, and therefore be able to take packaged carriers and dreadnoughts into hisec. Has this been considered and will the rules relating to capital ships in hisec be changed?

With the increase in Fuel costs for Jump freighters, I can't really see them nerfing the cargo capacity as well.

Essentially 2 rigs will have same capacity as currently 3rd will increase beyond current level. Jump freighter only has 2 rig slots.

It is a complete rebalance so all stats are being looked at. There may also be new capital rigs specifically for freighter which open up new game play possibilities

So after Fozzy talk
Freighters are going to need 2 rigs to be near now but better for cargo
The 3rd rig absolutely will give more cargo
So 2 cargo rigs or maybe a t2, hes not sure, and then hull rigs to troll gankers

Did they address the issue raised with respect to transporting carriers and dreadnoughts into high-sec?

Yes and no
Yes it was talked about, no it is not ready for game
The changes for the freighters are ready now though so that plan is going forward anyways

What do rig slots on freighters mean?

It means that 75% of freighter pilots will fit cargo rigs.

20% will simply leave the ships unrigged.

1% will fit tank rigs.

4% will run to the forums and cry that they didn't get 10 lowslots and 40000 calibration points as well.

99% of freighters will still be gankable, many with fewer ships required to do so.

No way... I bet the number of unrigged freighters, especially in highsec, is more like 70%. People who can afford jump freighters typically use them. If they are flying a T1 freighter than the chances are a lot higher that's all they can afford, and cap rigs aren't cheap. 20% of jumpfreighter unrigged? probably less than that. 20% of freighters? Way more than that.

So freighters are getting a fuel use and cargo capacity nerf then...

A Rhea is a tech 2 ship, therefore it will only have 2 rig slots.

Btw... I noticed that the other day on the JF: Why don't they have the normal racial T2 resistance profile? A Zealot has with some skills 50/35/60/80. The Ark 50/35/25/28, which is only better in the Explo department compared to the Providence.

Why does this inconsistency exist?

JF don't have most of their HP in Shield or Armor.

Is that a problem?

I don't see that. It would require more ships to gank them. Is that a problem?

Disgusting, lets just remove suicide ganking all together and ban everyone who isnt a carebear from highsec right?

Seems more like less free loot, and cheap kills?
Is that a problem for anyone other than those who want it easy?
Those who are good at the profession of Ganking will still continue, and still do well.
Ganking just ceases to be the low hanging fruit.

I'll let Fozzie explain this in more details, but in short, no, dreads and carriers won't make it into high-sec.

actually, i'd put money on large.

like the orca.

CCP Ytterbium, what size are the rigs for freighters going to be?

I would like to suggest the development of rigs able to specialize (give a bonus) to the cargo capacity depending on the stuff inside: like the Ephital cargo bonus for Planetary Resources.

For example, a rig giving 50% cargo bonus for minerals with a drawback of a malus of 50% with any other cargo.

This would allow specialized freighters to exist and allow more freedom for players.