hmm. Powerful, but not too over powered, if they can effectively counter each other's effects. And it's not like it's only a subset of people can take it.

Too bad they are still illegal

Too bad they are still illegal

How is the already limited supply keep up with the suddenly huuuuuuuuuuge demand?

Too bad they are still illegal

Wrote an essay on the test server feedback about this, but this is actually a nerf to may situations.

With skills, the side effects were rare, and those that happened rarely mattered in the situations where you used boosters. When you needed 30% more tank or 30% more tracking, armor/cap/tracking penalities rarely mattered, since taking the booster was the difference between tanking incoming DPS or popping. I'd wager that I didn't care about almost every penalty of boosters in the situations where I used them.

The main barrier to drug use was always their illegality - if they lose over 50% of their potency (as they have now on Sis) I'll no longer consider them worth the cost and hassle. Don't nerf their effectiveness, even if it means keeping the penalites - or keep higher grade boosters in that retain the penalites (risk versus reward, 30% bonuses with the old side effects).

I agree that taking away the drawbacks of boosters has made them lose some of their special "flavor". Simply dumping down a game mechanic is not necessarily an improvement and rarely a great one.

Drugs weren't being used in the numbers and manner CCP wanted, they've been stating they wanted to make them more attractive to the general population, Im not sure if you've ever tried drug manufacturing, but its tedious, and generally is always performed at a loss after taking into account time, fuel, and everything else.

You are completely wrong on almost every point you site.

I mean, how can you actually be this wrong?

The side effects didn't matter? Are you serious?

Here we go:

Blue pill: Shield boost amount is the bonus, possible side effect, less total shields. HOW IS THAT NOT AN ISSUE.

Exile pill: Armor rep amount, possible side effect, less armor

X-Instinct: Sig reduction, every penalty it has sucks.

I could go on, and now lets address your second paragraph, where you claim they are 50% less effective. Well in the first paragraph you already claimed you had the skills trained, shocking news incoming: Having the skills trained to near max returns the drugs to their original strength, and now they can last almost 2 hours.

Literally, without checking any facts, you simply made up something to complain about, which normally is ok, but your information that your basing it off of is completely false, which makes you ********.



Drugs weren't being used in the numbers and manner CCP wanted, they've been stating they wanted to make them more attractive to the general population, Im not sure if you've ever tried drug manufacturing, but its tedious, and generally is always performed at a loss after taking into account time, fuel, and everything else.

You are literally better off mining veldspar in empire than producing drugs. This should spike the prices on them as more and more people get into using them, which will make more people want to make them.

Low sec is the primary factory for drugs, so in this, CCP are increasing drug productions profitability, thus buffing lowsec.

Sooooo ... what's the deal with Nanite Control and Neurotoxin Recovery now? They were hella useful (and expensive) and I hope it doesn't turn out to be something useless/negligible/refunded SP

I was purely going off the numbers in the OP, that seem to suggest the maximum boosts are now around 15-20ish%. The skils increase this by another 25%, which is 25% tops, still less than the 30% of yore. I admit this is better than I realized, but I WILL TAKE SIDE EFFECTS for that extra 5%

IF you think that an armor amount bonus really matters THAT MUCH when you're in a triple rep myrm and popping exile, then you are dumb. All it does is make your armor bounce around hilariously - you're rarely in danger of being alphaed, so total armor is irrelevant as compared to how much you can rep.

The same goes for Blue pill, which aside from Drop and Mindflood are the only one's I've used. Some mindflood penalties are annoying, but you rarely get them - the rest for both Drop and Bluepill I don't give a **** about in the situations where I'm going to use them (where that extra 30% makes the difference between dying or not)

TLDR: I want to keep the old effectiveness, even if it means keeping side effects. Can be a higher teir of boosters, I don't care. Still spacemad over my lack of 30% repping bonuses.

I mean the duration thing makes it promising to pop these in station in highsec and blitz missions for awhile, but that shouldn't be the market boosters are aimed at. I'd be willing to pay a premium to get my 30, 35% boosts back.

Boosters have always been good. That is not the issue.

The issue is more concerning ease of supply and the relative cost. I mean Strong boosters are in excess of 30 mil....

To quote Luke.... "We can almost buy our own ship for that...."

This is in no way a buff to lowsec, or for booster manufacturing.

With lack of side effects, there will literally be no reason not to use Strong boosters, all the time. The problem with this - Strong BPC's are currently only available in 8 specific constellations, owned and protected by 8 alliances. Strong BPC's rarely make it to the general market, as most alliances consume the entire quantity internally.

Also, does this change preclude the contraband trading we've heard about in the past?

Strong boosters are available all over low sec right now, because those 8 alliances you're talking about don't actually bother to mine or produce them at all, in fact, its most often ninja farmed by another group because the profitability is so low.

So basically, you've not personally tried the test server version out, you just read something that somebody else posted then came and posted a lot of :words: about it, all of which are based on false assumptions or an incomplete understanding of the current game environment.

Then you called me dumb.


I see.

I guess CCP wants a more widespread use of boosters so they can introduce the new game mechanics for smuggling they talked about at the fanfest. I've always had a possitive attitude to a boost to the underworld part of EVE (were WiS could play a role)

But I would like to see CCP retaining some kind of drawback, like addiction, going cold turkey some time after taking the pills if no more boosters are taken, or a 'hangover' for some limited time after the positive effects of the booster are gone.

Don't like it. It'll make their use mandatory where possible, pretty much. It's like vanilla WoW with alle the raidbuff farming madness.

Out of curiosity someone on Sisi wanna look up Edge implants and see what their new bonuses are? Thanks in advance.

I guess CCP wants a more widespread use of boosters so they can introduce the new game mechanics for smuggling they talked about at the fanfest. I've always had a possitive attitude to a boost to the underworld part of EVE (were WiS could play a role)

But I would like to see CCP retaining some kind of drawback, like addiction, going cold turkey some time after taking the pills if no more boosters are taken, or a 'hangover' for some limited time after the positive effects of the booster are gone.

How is the already limited supply keep up with the suddenly huuuuuuuuuuge demand?

well price will go up of course.
i'm sure traders are already buying all stocks.

Side effects are not the problem, problem is manufacturing boosters is too complicated
Remove requirement for gases/boosters from other region or replace it with some PI **** and it should be good.

While I can see that this is a buff to fleet actions and perhaps to the Drop and other boosters, for Exile and Blue Pill, the two that I use, I would gladly have them retain their side effects and keep the 5% extra efficiency that can make the difference between life or death. In that context, this is a nerf, and I'll stick by my points.

Boosters may be worthwhile for once.

And this is bad how exactly?

You realize with maxed skills theres exactly 2% missing from the old effectiveness with absolutely zero penalty, so if you use Blue Pill or Exile, that 2% your missing will likely be absorbed by the buffer you don't lose from side effects.