It seems a buff to haulers - but secretly we all know they will fit cargo rigs so we all scoff behind our masks

I like that my face exactly works as it should,
while yours does exactly ... nothing.


It's you who should change your face, not me. :)


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Your tears -----> \______________________________________________/

Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?)

I could recommend a decent sculptor if that would help?

Sadly, I can see that, as usual, starting this thread was a wasted effort. Nice to see the trolls are taking advantage of the mods being distracted by all the drama over dust.

Ok, this is the information we have in hand, and I'm tired of people cross posting about it in several threads, so time to consolidate.

1) Everything will be destructible.

I personally do not see this happening. It would be effectively the end of high sec, if not Eve. But in order to be able to both build and destroy 'everything', then, well...

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.

we have different moderators than the dust forums, don't we?

3) Nope. More, smaller releases = same content. Current 6 month dev cycle, something not ready, it has to ship anyway, because otherwise it has to wait another whole half-year. The dream of monthly drop, something not ready, pull it and hold to next month. You get same content, just some a little earlier and some a little later. The reality is that when one thing pushes, it cascades into more getting delayed. Also, there is no regression cycle between code complete and ship date, so more bugs ship.

Think of it this way. Industry changes are NOT going to be ready June 4. Should they ship June 4? Hold until December? Hold the entire release until July? OR... ship everything in June except industry, then ship industry in July? Industry shipping in July is not "more content".

No need to get personal mofo - I love your face. It just gives me nightmares. Jeez you are touchy for an alt.

Relax and get back on topic.

Christ. Someone needs to book into a clinic.

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

1) We'll see. I doubt it.
2) HUGE assumptions on your part.
3) Nope. More, smaller releases = same content. Current 6 month dev cycle, something not ready, it has to ship anyway, because otherwise it has to wait another whole half-year. The dream of monthly drop, something not ready, pull it and hold to next month. You get same content, just some a little earlier and some a little later. The reality is that when one thing pushes, it cascades into more getting delayed. Also, there is no regression cycle between code complete and ship date, so more bugs ship.

Think of it this way. Industry changes are NOT going to be ready June 4. Should they ship June 4? Hold until December? Hold the entire release until July? OR... ship everything in June except industry, then ship industry in July? Industry shipping in July is not "more content".

4) Not as bad as WoD.

Based on what we know this *is* the case.

Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?) and then fails to see that in large releases you can't test dependencies like you can with "on the go" releases of finished stuff.
Its way better not to throw everything together 2 weeks before you have to release it.

No it isn't.

Well, I am an IT professional. By that I mean been a computer programer for 25 years. I currently work for a MAJor software company on a high performance, probabilistic matching master data application. I've worked at 3 companies that have moved to Agile.

Phase 1)
Agile does not mean NO analysis and design. It means just in time analysis and design. While devs are working on one story, PMs will be fleshing out requirements, and architects will be working on design. That wan, as soon as dev finishes one story, the next is ready to go.

Phase 2)
Requirements and design were not ready, because the heavy work load on PM caused half of them to quit, and the half that remain are too busy interfacing with stake holders. All PM does is write the high level story, then the developer guesses what that means, codes up a solution, and presents it in an iteration review. Stakeholders say it is all wrong, and PMs update stories while developers try to have in fixes. At the end of 5 months, QA is given a month to regression test to make sure this hacking didn't have unintended consequences.

Phase 3)
People leave out of frustration. Profits are not there so they are replaced in China or India. High turn-over means it is hard to recreate the knowledge base once enjoyed pre-agile. Cut cost your way to profitability.

Phase 4)
Stuff is simply not getting done on time because 1) we don't understand the issues, 2) didn't do proper requirements and design, 3) lost our best people. Choice is to hold features 6 months to next release, ship in suck condition, hold entire release a month or two... or..... Go to more frequent drops. That way, when something is not done, we can hold it a month without holding the entire release. What happens is that any semblance of regression test is finally eliminated. Test the new feature in isolation, and hope it didn't break anything else.

Phase 5)
Bankruptcy, write off bad debts, clean up balance sheet by writing off dead projects. Refocus on core profitable businesses.


I have only been to Phase 5 one time.

Yeah, I read that, and I don't believe him. As you'd know if you read to the end of the thread you linked. It fits too well, and we all know that if they're getting ready to do something that will cause a fuss, they Obfuscate.

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Thanks guys!

constructive negative feedback

oh in that case this thread isn't going anywhere

grr ccp!

grrrrr!

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Well, to be blunt, they said there would be no layoffs at Atlanta.. three days before layoffs at Atlanta. So, yeah, when I get a single CCP guy saying something apparently at odds with what they're apparently trying to do, I do take that with a grain of salt.







Doc Fury was just ganked by ISD.

Well, to be blunt, they said there would be no layoffs at Atlanta.. three days before layoffs at Atlanta. So, yeah, when I get a single CCP guy saying something apparently at odds with what they're apparently trying to do, I do take that with a grain of salt.

I should have plugged my 5% EM hole.