Ok, this is the information we have in hand, and I'm tired of people cross posting about it in several threads, so time to consolidate.

1) Everything will be destructible.

I personally do not see this happening. It would be effectively the end of high sec, if not Eve. But in order to be able to both build and destroy 'everything', then, well...

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.

Ok, this is the information we have in hand, and I'm tired of people cross posting about it in several threads, so time to consolidate.

1) Everything will be destructible.

I personally do not see this happening. It would be effectively the end of high sec, if not Eve. But in order to be able to both build and destroy 'everything', then, well...

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.

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You sound *concerned*...

The DUST thing: Again, wut? I missed that presentation because I was out buying groceries... what happened? Can someone give me the TLDR?

I like Cheese.

Ok,

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?) and then fails to see that in large releases you can't test dependencies like you can with "on the go" releases of finished stuff.
Its way better not to throw everything together 2 weeks before you have to release it.

I can make tables in HTML. IT professional level > 9000

I do C++ if I can help. I also run a SQL (Squirrel noob) sanctuary.

Summary*


Thanks.

"Freighters with rigs".

If they don't nerf them to compensate, they'll be bringing caps into highsec.

You already mentioned this, but there is no way in the Seven Hells that this will happen without compensating nerfs. Honestly no clue why it's even being considered.

I can make tables in HTML. IT professional level > 9000

Get that face out of here.

I don't think talking to me that way is going to help you.

Yep. Our IT manager at work couldn't even handle it when I hijacked his 2 office printers with a simple Windows setup wizard and printed nothing but doctoral thesis on goats and goat husbandry for a whole day. He is currently the focus of my own investigation.

Shared printers is serious business.

It seems a buff to haulers - but secretly we all know they will fit cargo rigs so we all scoff behind our masks

I like that my face exactly works as it should,
while yours does exactly ... nothing.


It's you who should change your face, not me. :)


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Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?)

I could recommend a decent sculptor if that would help?

Sadly, I can see that, as usual, starting this thread was a wasted effort. Nice to see the trolls are taking advantage of the mods being distracted by all the drama over dust.

Ok, this is the information we have in hand, and I'm tired of people cross posting about it in several threads, so time to consolidate.

1) Everything will be destructible.

I personally do not see this happening. It would be effectively the end of high sec, if not Eve. But in order to be able to both build and destroy 'everything', then, well...

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.

we have different moderators than the dust forums, don't we?

3) Nope. More, smaller releases = same content. Current 6 month dev cycle, something not ready, it has to ship anyway, because otherwise it has to wait another whole half-year. The dream of monthly drop, something not ready, pull it and hold to next month. You get same content, just some a little earlier and some a little later. The reality is that when one thing pushes, it cascades into more getting delayed. Also, there is no regression cycle between code complete and ship date, so more bugs ship.

Think of it this way. Industry changes are NOT going to be ready June 4. Should they ship June 4? Hold until December? Hold the entire release until July? OR... ship everything in June except industry, then ship industry in July? Industry shipping in July is not "more content".

No need to get personal mofo - I love your face. It just gives me nightmares. Jeez you are touchy for an alt.

Relax and get back on topic.

Christ. Someone needs to book into a clinic.

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

1) We'll see. I doubt it.
2) HUGE assumptions on your part.
3) Nope. More, smaller releases = same content. Current 6 month dev cycle, something not ready, it has to ship anyway, because otherwise it has to wait another whole half-year. The dream of monthly drop, something not ready, pull it and hold to next month. You get same content, just some a little earlier and some a little later. The reality is that when one thing pushes, it cascades into more getting delayed. Also, there is no regression cycle between code complete and ship date, so more bugs ship.

Think of it this way. Industry changes are NOT going to be ready June 4. Should they ship June 4? Hold until December? Hold the entire release until July? OR... ship everything in June except industry, then ship industry in July? Industry shipping in July is not "more content".

4) Not as bad as WoD.

Based on what we know this *is* the case.

Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?) and then fails to see that in large releases you can't test dependencies like you can with "on the go" releases of finished stuff.
Its way better not to throw everything together 2 weeks before you have to release it.

No it isn't.

Well, I am an IT professional. By that I mean been a computer programer for 25 years. I currently work for a MAJor software company on a high performance, probabilistic matching master data application. I've worked at 3 companies that have moved to Agile.

Phase 1)
Agile does not mean NO analysis and design. It means just in time analysis and design. While devs are working on one story, PMs will be fleshing out requirements, and architects will be working on design. That wan, as soon as dev finishes one story, the next is ready to go.

Phase 2)
Requirements and design were not ready, because the heavy work load on PM caused half of them to quit, and the half that remain are too busy interfacing with stake holders. All PM does is write the high level story, then the developer guesses what that means, codes up a solution, and presents it in an iteration review. Stakeholders say it is all wrong, and PMs update stories while developers try to have in fixes. At the end of 5 months, QA is given a month to regression test to make sure this hacking didn't have unintended consequences.

Phase 3)
People leave out of frustration. Profits are not there so they are replaced in China or India. High turn-over means it is hard to recreate the knowledge base once enjoyed pre-agile. Cut cost your way to profitability.

Phase 4)
Stuff is simply not getting done on time because 1) we don't understand the issues, 2) didn't do proper requirements and design, 3) lost our best people. Choice is to hold features 6 months to next release, ship in suck condition, hold entire release a month or two... or..... Go to more frequent drops. That way, when something is not done, we can hold it a month without holding the entire release. What happens is that any semblance of regression test is finally eliminated. Test the new feature in isolation, and hope it didn't break anything else.

Phase 5)
Bankruptcy, write off bad debts, clean up balance sheet by writing off dead projects. Refocus on core profitable businesses.


I have only been to Phase 5 one time.

Yeah, I read that, and I don't believe him. As you'd know if you read to the end of the thread you linked. It fits too well, and we all know that if they're getting ready to do something that will cause a fuss, they Obfuscate.

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Thanks guys!

constructive negative feedback

oh in that case this thread isn't going anywhere

grr ccp!

grrrrr!

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Well, to be blunt, they said there would be no layoffs at Atlanta.. three days before layoffs at Atlanta. So, yeah, when I get a single CCP guy saying something apparently at odds with what they're apparently trying to do, I do take that with a grain of salt.







Doc Fury was just ganked by ISD.

Well, to be blunt, they said there would be no layoffs at Atlanta.. three days before layoffs at Atlanta. So, yeah, when I get a single CCP guy saying something apparently at odds with what they're apparently trying to do, I do take that with a grain of salt.

I should have plugged my 5% EM hole.

that was for IRL reasons as i imagine a) internal matters had to be sorted out before the announcement because ccp is helping those laid off find new jobs and b) it's better to announce stuff on a monday so that community team can manage the response

this is very different. highsec is highsec, and a dev is assuring us months in advance of a fake spaceships gameplay feature

1) Everything will be destructible.
2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.
3) More new content per year.
4) the Dust debacle

That is a little bit ridiculous - there are rather a lot of points to be raised. Might want to check with the overlords on this one.

New ships thread, locked, new indy locked, new ... you get the idea. You can't just shut up shop because people want to talk about stuff.

What was this thread about again? Something IT something or EVE is DyingGäó?

You're forgetting that fake spaceships gameplay is real money to them. Let's say you're going to release a feature that will (reasonably or otherwise) panic a certain segment of your customer base, even though it's actual impact on them would be minor.

In this case I think it would be better from a customer retention view to disavow and then drop it on them. By the time that they reached the end of their subs, they'd have noticed that the world of high sec did or did not end. The result, in theory, would be fewer people unsubscribing.

and you're making up a ridiculous hypothetical based on guesswork and supposition that's completely contrary to ccp's attitude towards releasing information over the last ten years, bar a single incident, factional warfare, where a surprise patch was done to maintain fairness between factions.

That is a little bit ridiculous - there are rather a lot of points to be raised. Might want to check with the overlords on this one.

New ships thread, locked, new indy locked, new ... you get the idea. You can't just shut up shop because people want to talk about stuff.

One, as someone who's actually been here all those years, unlike you, I can think of far more incidents than that Two, we have a speech from the head dev that says one thing, and a single line post that Fozzie will explain later that says something else. We have a whole line of stuff that suggests that they're heading in that direction, for a variety of balance reasons.

we have a speech from the head dev that says one thing

One, as someone who's actually been here all those years, unlike you, I can think of far more incidents than that Two, we have a speech from the head dev that says one thing, and a single line post that Fozzie will explain later that says something else. We have a whole line of stuff that suggests that they're heading in that direction, for a variety of balance reasons.

oh yes i'll sit here and wait for you to name all the times ccp deliberately misled the playerbase regarding game balance/design for a cashgrab/surprise highsec holocaust.

What thing? That capital class combat ships are coming to high sec?

buddy....you should know CCP by now....they just didn't remember why a dev put in the "limitatons to cargohold size" for frighters anymore back in the days (there were other devs/game designers in charge, remember?)...

now, they are at pubcrawl....waking up tomorrow....grabbing their heads moaning "...wasn't there something about....frighter cargobays...nahh...i was drunk"

then it will hit SISI...and the forums will explode....and then they will quickfix it like "capships won't fit in the cargohold" limitations.

Doesn't that describe CCP for you?

The logical balance step is to introduce dreads into high sec.

1) Everything will be destructible.

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

3) More new content per year.

4) the Dust debacle

One, as someone who's actually been here all those years, unlike you, I can think of far more incidents than that (My favorite was the time they pulled 700m isk worth of rare drones out of my hanger and replaced them with T2 versions) Two, we have a speech from the head dev that says one thing, and a single line post that Fozzie will explain later that says something else. We have a whole line of stuff that suggests that they're heading in that direction, for a variety of balance reasons.

You'll have to forgive my cynicism and pessimism, but frankly I stopped believing what CCP says when it conflicts with ten years of experiences with them and common sense.

CCP Seagul said "Everything player build should be destructible".

Didn't they already do that once and isn't that why they're no longer allowed in high sec?

You think CCP will, in 1 patch, wipe out highsec...INTENTIONALLY? They have more self-preservation than that....even if they do some pretty dumb stuff sometimes

I have to ask where the surprise high sec holocaust would be? You know, cap ships are not an I Win button, right? They're useful in certain very specific situations.

Let me ask, how long do you think it would take, even with cap ships, to beat down a station?



And I'm curious where certain posters are that should be in here posting if high sec is about to be wiped out. There are several goons I can think of that would be dancing with glee...

As mentioned earlier, give the Dusties some free Legion stuff on launch or pat them on the head and send them away. Not sure I care, or how much damage their whining can do.

This summarises your concerns more clearly. Basicallly, for you, regardless what CCP announce they are doing you'll greet it with suspicion and mistrust

i'm not seeing any examples. you're accusing a dev of lying, you're drawing conclusions from unclear statements, you're making up alarmist fairy stories.

When they announce things that make sense or follow the logical reasoning, I accept what they have to say. When they tell me something that does not add up though, I do tend to view it with mistrust. How's your experience walking in Station in EvE going? Done any atmospheric flight lately in a Crow?

Well that's how I feel about the whole 'Destroy everything' statement. I don't think it's going to happen, therefore, no caps in high-sec.

Quite a bit, depending on how CCP handles it. Also, your derision for your fellow gamers is showing.

No, not really. When they announce things that make sense or follow the logical reasoning, I accept what they have to say. When they tell me something that does not add up though, I do tend to view it with mistrust. How's your experience walking in Station in EvE going? Done any atmospheric flight lately in a Crow?

And we both know that ISD would delete the post if I did, so what's the point? You'd be able to keep making these posts, and I wouldn't be able to say anything back, Which is, I might point out, exactly your game, and sorry, not worth my time.

Dreads in high sec, at least, make perfect sense given that the overall directive is industry is a tool to increase conflict.

And we both know that ISD would delete the post if I did, so what's the point? You'd be able to keep making these posts, and I wouldn't be able to say anything back, Which is, I might point out, exactly your game, and sorry, not worth my time.

It's the complete opposite of perfect sense. Why would CCP make industry accessible and encourage all players to set up POSes by removing standing requirements, just to open the floodgates for null alliances and griefers to come and war-dec every month-old player trying to get started in the game with a fleet of caps? It would be a disaster.

i'm fine with concerns. but wild, negative speculation being called a 'concern' and spread alongside deliberate perpetuation of falsehoods i'm not fine with.

freighters will NOT carry caps into highsec.

and 'everything will be destructible' is speculation based on a comment open to interpretation.

this is just unfounded nonsense.

as for dust i have no idea what they're so unhappy about. bugger the lot of them

I for one hope they allow the option for packaged capitals in weakened freighters. Honestly I don't see the big deal either, let them be transported through all space, but can only be assembled in space under .5. It would solve the issues with capitals being in hi sec and would add an interesting dynamic for moving assets around in space.

I'm an Eve player. What do you expect.

ISD don't delete Dinsdale.

Benny knows, he's been pressing for me ot break some of them. I chose my words very carefully to obey the letter of the law. Obvious Trap is Obvious.

no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all.

no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all.

I'll be more blunt.

And yet, you're the one who sounds hysterical and has been trying to bait me into breaking forum rules. Let me ask, Benny, do you have a concern that isn't being addressed, or are you just trying to troll?

Cygnet, the entire thread should be locked for rumor mongering, you have no basis for saying most of these things, and they are leaps in logic that would make the Cheshire Cat's head spin.

If they weren't concerns, ISD would have locked it when they read it the first time. There were several threads talking about these exact issues following the keynote speech. Some of them may or may not have been dealt with by following speeches, etc.

ISD makes a judgement call, their call is not authoritative. Your OP, though, distorts facts and presents false information alongside speculation.

For example, noone said 'absolutely everything will be destructable', they said any structure might be built and destroyed. Also CCP have confirmed that caps will not enter highsec.

I might also point out that you're objecting to CCP in the form of ISD while taking me to task to doubting CCP in the form of Devs.

but you decided to go full tinfoil and accuse him of lying to manipulate subscription numbers.

Relevant:

Thread derp levels reaching critical intensity.

Might want to review the keynote speech then. And you DO know that stations are a structure, right? and that he also included that he wanted items in station hangers to also be destructible? As far as I know, there's only one way that one would happen.

Go back through every single move they thought would be unpopular, and see how they handled it. CCP has done a horrible job handling PR in the past, and denial is entirely in keeping with previous situations they thought would have a negative player reaction (justified or no).

Ask Entity some time about the stuff that CCP has removed from game, and player hangers, without even putting it in the patch notes.

I think OP might be an IZ alt.

EDIT: Put my foot in my mouth... Posted too soon. My apologies. Misread your post(s).

Anyway, i do think that he meant *all* player-constructed structures, especially outposts, which are currently (afaik) indestructible. NPC structures will most likely still be indestructible.

It would be nice if someone from CCP would pop in and clarify a few things so the people running around with their skirts up over their heads would calm themselves.

CCP did what needed to be done, now Legion could be quite possbily the EVE FPS that the community praises NOT the one that it laughs at. CCP made a good call on this and if people spent $100's of dollars on a game that's platform was near the end of it's lifespan than it's your own damn fault simply as that. #ERAofthePChasreturned

are we surprised that a high level dev thinks nullsec is the only place in EVE that exists? really? I mean... really? Odds of highsec stations ever being destructible are near 0%. Except maybe on the last day of EVE.

So how about you at least read dev posts. Like the one where Yterbium says capitals will NOT be allowed into highsec. And then goes on to explain how further information will be coming soon, except all the devs are smashed tonight.

Dust will end. Was that ever a surprise? At all? It was developed for a console at the very end of it's life cycle. CCP announced the next stage of Dust. They didn't explain a transition or anything like that. It's not an issue... yet..

CCP has yet to do any real damage control.

You realize CCP are pretty much all drunk off their asses right now? Most of them likely passed out in puddles of their own puke, where maybe they have a chance of recovering enough by tomorrow to put in another 18 hour day. I highly doubt any devs are in a position to post anything helpful right now. We have plenty of time for threadnaughts. None of that stuff is really all that urgent. Only the freighters are on any kind of close deadline, and that's still got a full month to tweak some simple numbers in a database if that will turn into a problem.

Well, one, sure, the EvE stuff can wait, but the Dust thing is going up in flames as we speak. Any PR guy will tell you, the first 24 hours are key when it comes to framing the narrative. Right now CCP is going down as the next EA across the internet for having supposedly taken the money and ran.

Considering they have two releases coming up, that bitterness could really bite them on the ass, and that has consequences for EvE.

Except dust was going to die anyway, so who cares? Ok, if they handle the dust/legion hand off with anything short of perfection, yeah, CCP will look like giant douches, and legion will be DOA. But if they do pull it off, and they've got all the time in the world to get it right, pretty much anything will be forgiven.

I just wish Benny would take a breather. Maybe go WATCH the feed or something. The idea that events are moving along between page 01 and page 05 seems to elude him. )

1) It'll never happen in the literal sense and everyone with a functioning brain knows it.

2) There is nothing to indicate this would be the case and every reason to believe it won't happen.

4) Handling of it sucks for the PS3 folk. The actual decision is a good one for us though and an inevitable one for DUST. It had no long term future on PS3 and everyone knew it long before the game was even released.

Yay you fixed that horrible typo!

Ok, this is the information we have in hand, and I'm tired of people cross posting about it in several threads, so time to consolidate.

1) Everything will be destructible.

I personally do not see this happening. It would be effectively the end of high sec, if not Eve. But in order to be able to both build and destroy 'everything', then, well...


2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

[EDIT: this one is possibly answered by Fozzie, waiting on more information]


3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.

Pay more attention Sol, it's been fixed since back on page 01.

Ok, this is the information we have in hand, and I'm tired of people cross posting about it in several threads, so time to consolidate.

1) Everything will be destructible.

I personally do not see this happening. It would be effectively the end of high sec, if not Eve. But in order to be able to both build and destroy 'everything', then, well...

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

[EDIT: this one is possibly answered by Fozzie, waiting on more information]

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.

I wouldn't think cap ships would be allowed unfettered access to high-sec space; there's just too much potential for abuse. I'd agree that there will probably be a rule change, but I'd hesitate to speculate on it at the moment.

It's always funny when people come around and say "As a..." and don't supply any proof of the claimed credentials as if their word alone means anything on the internet. I'm sure that it's somewhere on the fallacy list.

As a...really bad Eve Online player...nope, I will not provide proof

Even if you give proof, they claim that it doesn't mean anything. It's the nature of trolls.

I dunno, IZ set a new standard by posting pic of certificate of qualification plus pics of his dog and motorbike to back up his statements. Everyone was suitably impressed.

I dunno, IZ set a new standard by posting pic of certificate of qualification plus pics of his dog and motorbike to back up his statements. Everyone was suitably impressed.

I like Cheese.

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

[EDIT: Stealth Nerf it is. Fozzie (and CSM confirms) states that they're going to increase packaged sizes, though under the new system freighters will, in fact, be able to carry more than they currently do (despite a heavy nerfing, rigs will allow more cargo space). Which makes me wonder WTF they were talking about when they said they couldn't do that all those years ago when we suggested it in the first place? Interestingly, the F&I crowd have come up with about a dozen much better ways to control 'caps in high sec' while at the same time, improving the market, if any devs reading this would care to stroll over there.]

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.

That's dumb. You should be able to move caps around in a freighter. All CCP would have to do is make a rule for highsec stations that says "Caps cannot undock" and then a rule for all sec stations that says "supercaps cannot undock".

Lame nerf.

4) No one gives a ****. They do the only right thing and everyone is happy about it. (I don't count PS3 kids)

It is precisely this kind of attitude that forces new players to say, "ehh im not staying" its not the learning curve its the **** attitudes like this about the rest of the gaming community. Quite frankly, CCP **** on Dust player by pulling what they did.

I would point out not all of the EVE community is as disjointed with everyone as you and those like you are. Look at it this way, lets say CCP decides to reduce the EVE Online keynote down to say 40 minutes. and in that 40 minutes they describe all the major features and fun stuff coming up in the next expansion. In the last 10 minutes, a dev says, "Ohhh btw this is a deployment we are planning on making to xbox, Im sure you guys will get an expansion in about 7-8 months when we get back on our feet from pushing this out to possibly work on console. We aren't stopping development of EVE but you will see slower updates due to us now working with the xbox one."

I don't need to hear your response to know that there...would...be....hell to pay. CCP would get crucified and we would all be in Jita again shooting a statue. Well, essentially this is what has just happened to PS3 players. I just thought I would put it into perspective so that in the midst of you not giving a ****, that one day you may....though I doubt it.

Remember, you're dealing with EvE players. If you assume that every single one of them is a self centered , thieving, lying, scum sucker without an once of human decency or compassion combined with an overwhelming delusion that 'it can't happen here' you might be wrong about one; two, maybe three times a week, tops. And that's it you talk in local and make the sort of monthly orbit through the game that I make doing forty hops a day.

Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?)

Well, since DUST will still be actively developed for some time it will likely be getting more attention than most other games built for the soon to be replaced PS4. Granted, it will not evolve into what everyone hoped for on that platform, and that's a shame... but you probably better get used to PS3 games as a whole starting that long walk into darkness.

For those of you with computers, which obviously includes you, if you go with Legion you will likely have a huge leg up on the rest of us.

Will we be able to destroy existing gates in high sec? Because I would like that. Specifically, all the gates in Jita.

He has to get in line behind Ginger Magician, Winter Steele, Entity, Mittani, Chribba, Joe Williams, and Hilmar. I'm supposedly an alt of all, some, or none of them.

No, sorry, this really is my main.





You can make anything in the game destructible, you can just make destroying them impractical. I posted an idea earlier about how NPC stations could be destructible, but so time consuming to destroy that there's little actual difference between it and invulnerability. Mittani could get headlines blowing up Jita 4-4, but it'd be something that took every single goon shooting for a month solid to pull off.

Ok, this is the information we have in hand, and I'm tired of people cross posting about it in several threads, so time to consolidate.

1) Everything will be destructible.

I personally do not see this happening. It would be effectively the end of high sec, if not Eve. But in order to be able to both build and destroy 'everything', then, well...


2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

[EDIT: Stealth Nerf it is. Fozzie (and CSM confirms) states that they're going to increase packaged sizes, though under the new system freighters will, in fact, be able to carry more than they currently do (despite a heavy nerfing, rigs will allow more cargo space). Which makes me wonder WTF they were talking about when they said they couldn't do that all those years ago when we suggested it in the first place? Interestingly, the F&I crowd have come up with about a dozen much better ways to control 'caps in high sec' while at the same time, improving the market, if any devs reading this would care to stroll over there.]


3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.

5) [new] The Freighter changes will make freighters even more easily ganked by suicides.

I have to admit that.... I can see this. The changes as outlined so far *seem* to offer a tank nerf no matter what rigs you put in it, or a small cargohold buff.

1. Pretty sure they were talking about Player built stations

2. Easiest way to combat this is to raise the packed size of 'banned' capitals to a size that would make it not be able to fit in a freighter. Its not really that hard to prevent. Also, even if there was a bug at patch day that allowed this, Isn't using a cap in an offensive manner in high sec a bannable offense?

3. This is bad how? They can release content that is ready when its ready, and hold off on content that still needs to be ironed out instead of rushing out to make the 6 month deadline. That can prevent some of the massive bugs that are known to happen after major releases...

4. Don't play DUST, can care less...

5. Sure, because people will put cargohold optimizations instead of agility or tank rigs... How is that CCP's fault? You can't fix stupid.

You guys are reading way too much into this for sure

5) The nerf is hard enough it takes two rigs of a given type to get a single stat back up to where it is now. I dunno if you've noticed this, but freighters are made of tinfoil already, and their current agil is sort of lulzy. It sort of makes cargo expander really the only choice if you're going to fly a freighter. Smart people will start flying something else if they possibly can. Expect T2 industrial to become more popular again and the price of freighters to drop to just above whatever they recycle for as the market floods with people trying to sell. Jump Freighters will take the biggest hit, since they will only ever be able to get a single stat back up to what it is now.

1) No, we've had several sources now where they really are looking at EVERYTHING.

5) The nerf is hard enough it takes two rigs of a given type to get a single stat back up to where it is now.

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

Will we be able to destroy existing gates in high sec? Because I would like that. Specifically, all the gates in Jita.

Agreed, 10 releases per year is a bit tight. I'd suggest no more than 5 a year.

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

This point exists because you don't understand what's happening. This isn't meant to be MORE new content per year, it's meant to be the same, with just a more dynamic landscape.

NTM EVE expansions aren't called "New Content" because rarely is there even new content. It's almost always refinement on content that exists.

This point exists because you don't understand what's happening. This isn't meant to be MORE new content per year, it's meant to be the same, with just a more dynamic landscape.

NTM EVE expansions aren't called "New Content" because rarely is there even new content. It's almost always refinement on content that exists.

Remember kids;
Its only real when its in the Patch NotesTM

What is the source for this?

No, it's real when it hits SISI. Talking about potential issues ahead of time though does save the inevitable shooting of the Jita statue.

I'm not concerned about any of the stuff in the OP. Here are my real concerns.

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I've had too many MMOs go belly up around me because the idea fairy got loose in the dev office

are we surprised that a high level dev thinks nullsec is the only place in EVE that exists? really? I mean... really? Odds of highsec stations ever being destructible are near 0%. Except maybe on the last day of EVE.

First of all, when people say high sec stations, what they really mean is trade hubs.

The new industry changes, and its landscape dynamics, would kill the major trade hubs IF they remove the current region visibility limit for traders and introduce new way to manage the assets tab, (this, and the current industry mehcanics are the reasons we don't see more market spreading in high sec) thus killing the major trade hubs while making more specialized stations for different kinds of items, dictated by this new manufacturing landscape.
Make it so that all the highsec station taxes goes to the corp/alliance that owns it, just like nullsec. This would be possible if they nerfed the commodities and bounty isk faucets, along with buffing the LP store sink. (new industry changes will bring more sinks too)

So, all the highsec station destruction whine resumes to:

1. I can't safely guard my blueprints, along with all the overproduced stock I accumulated, and I can't possibly think of ways to overcome this because of my tinfoil hat and lazy ***.
2. I like the idea of making billions at 0 risk.
3. I don't want the industry activity to possibly be cooperative.
4. I don't care for PvP content creation inside highsec, and the resulting sandbox implications of it.
5. I don't care about thinking of ways to put the hundreds of billions earned to content creation on a large scale, instead of it just sitting around waiting to be RMTed
6. I'm not aware of what boredom means

In all honesty, I'm glad the game goes in the direction its heading, I want to see these words being manifested into tears on a scale never before seen, and witness the birth of Darwinism in EVE Industry.

Glorious days are coming!

I could be wrong, but it feels that you think hisec stations will become destructible.
That is not the case. Everything player built will be destructible. And because hisec does not have a single player built station, those fears are unfounded.

I could be wrong, but it feels that you think hisec stations will become destructible.
That is not the case. Everything player built will be destructible. And because hisec does not have a single player built station, those fears are unfounded.

Let's just say that they make everything in high sec destructible, don't the Empires and their Navies outnumber all EVE subscribers (Capsuleers) by at least 1000 to 1. You could try to blow up a station but the resulting swarm of Navy ships would either kill you or cause node death and kill you anyway.