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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:28:00 -
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Mark Munoz wrote:I for one hope they allow the option for packaged capitals in weakened freighters. Honestly I don't see the big deal either, let them be transported through all space, but can only be assembled in space under .5. It would solve the issues with capitals being in hi sec and would add an interesting dynamic for moving assets around in space.
This might be doable too. and I'm not just saying that because you share a name with a cousin of mine.
Marsha Mallow wrote: I'm an Eve player. What do you expect.
So am I. But I'm also smart enough to see a serious potential issue in the making. This could be a serious PR issue with the FPS crowd, which in turn leads to another failed game for CCP (Legion) which bites us here at EvE in the ass with layoffs and reduced dev time.
Marsha Mallow wrote: ISD don't delete Dinsdale.
Actually...
There are certain subjects that are an almost guaranteed post delete. Talking about moderation, talking about GM/Devs corruption in a non-vague actual examples with proof way (not the arm wavy vague sort of crap Dinsdale does), misbehavior by members of CCP staff and Petitions.
Or did you not notice that the thread on closing Atlanta would shrink by several pages at a time when ISD went through, or that talking about a wide variety of subjects was added to the 'grounds for ban' list for the forum here? Benny knows, he's been pressing for me ot break some of them. I chose my words very carefully to obey the letter of the law. Obvious Trap is Obvious. |

Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:31:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Benny knows, he's been pressing for me ot break some of them. I chose my words very carefully to obey the letter of the law. Obvious Trap is Obvious. no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all. |

Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:34:00 -
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accusing me of posting with an agenda is a fallacy, by the way, but we can just add it to the list of falsehoods you're spreading |

Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:35:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Benny knows, he's been pressing for me ot break some of them. I chose my words very carefully to obey the letter of the law. Obvious Trap is Obvious. no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all.
I'll be more blunt. Not even going to dance around it like I did above.
Cygnet, the entire thread should be locked for rumor mongering, you have no basis for saying most of these things, and they are leaps in logic that would make the Cheshire Cat's head spin. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:36:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote: no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all.
And yet, you're the one who sounds hysterical and has been trying to bait me into breaking forum rules. Let me ask, Benny, do you have a concern that isn't being addressed, or are you just trying to troll? I know a few posters pointed out that my list at the front didn't cover their concerns.
I'm told CCP Fozzie has made a statement at Fanfest about one of mine, but so far no one seems to have a good solid copy of what he said. It may in fact deal with the issue. |

Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:36:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I'll be more blunt. i thought i was being blunt  |

Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:37:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Benny Ohu wrote: no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all.
And yet, you're the one who sounds hysterical and has been trying to bait me into breaking forum rules. Let me ask, Benny, do you have a concern that isn't being addressed, or are you just trying to troll? false and no, in that order. liar. |

Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:39:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Cygnet, the entire thread should be locked for rumor mongering, you have no basis for saying most of these things, and they are leaps in logic that would make the Cheshire Cat's head spin.
If they weren't concerns, ISD would have locked it when they read it the first time. There were several threads talking about these exact issues following the keynote speech. Some of them may or may not have been dealt with by following speeches, etc. |

Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:44:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Cygnet, the entire thread should be locked for rumor mongering, you have no basis for saying most of these things, and they are leaps in logic that would make the Cheshire Cat's head spin.
If they weren't concerns, ISD would have locked it when they read it the first time. There were several threads talking about these exact issues following the keynote speech. Some of them may or may not have been dealt with by following speeches, etc. ISD makes a judgement call, their call is not authoritative. Your OP, though, distorts facts and presents false information alongside speculation.
For example, noone said 'absolutely everything will be destructable', they said any structure might be built and destroyed. Also CCP have confirmed that caps will not enter highsec. |

Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 01:51:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote: ISD makes a judgement call, their call is not authoritative. Your OP, though, distorts facts and presents false information alongside speculation.
For example, noone said 'absolutely everything will be destructable', they said any structure might be built and destroyed. Also CCP have confirmed that caps will not enter highsec.
Might want to review the keynote speech then. And you DO know that stations are a structure, right? and that he also included that he wanted items in station hangers to also be destructible? As far as I know, there's only one way that one would happen.
We still don't actually know on the freighter issue. The disavowal defers to Fozzie, but so far no information on that front. What he says might conflict with that. It would not be the first time that one dev said one thing and another said something else.
As I laid out previously, dreads, and possibly carriers, make a certain sense in high sec as long as they're bottlenecked somehow. |

Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:02:00 -
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the keynote speech where scarpia was talking about a future vision, a design philosophy? he did NOT say all npc stations would be desructible. he did NOT say there was design in the works regarding this. he was talking about an idea.
even then, talking about player-built stations being destructible is NOT the same as your highsec holocaust
fozzie is on the same team as ytterbium. iirc ytterbium's the senior of the two. besides that, ytterbium of anyone would know about something as big as capitals being allowed in highsec. no-one said 'we'll let caps in highsec'. you have NO reason to believe capitals'd be allowed in and a very good source saying they won't.
but you decided to go full tinfoil and accuse him of lying to manipulate subscription numbers.
you're making ridiculous assumptions out of nothing. |

Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:03:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:I might also point out that you're objecting to CCP in the form of ISD while taking me to task to doubting CCP in the form of Devs. no, i'm saying that isd's opinion is not an indication that your speculation is a valid concern.
e: cripes. |

Doc Fury
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:08:00 -
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Relevant:
Thread derp levels reaching critical intensity.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:17:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote: but you decided to go full tinfoil and accuse him of lying to manipulate subscription numbers.
Go back through every single move they thought would be unpopular, and see how they handled it. CCP has done a horrible job handling PR in the past, and denial is entirely in keeping with previous situations they thought would have a negative player reaction (justified or no).
Ask Entity some time about the stuff that CCP has removed from game, and player hangers, without even putting it in the patch notes.
Doc Fury wrote:Relevant:Thread derp levels reaching critical intensity.
LOL agreed. |

Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:24:00 -
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I think OP might be an IZ alt. Oh god. |

Reiisha
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:27:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Benny Ohu wrote: ISD makes a judgement call, their call is not authoritative. Your OP, though, distorts facts and presents false information alongside speculation.
For example, noone said 'absolutely everything will be destructable', they said any structure might be built and destroyed. Also CCP have confirmed that caps will not enter highsec.
Might want to review the keynote speech then. And you DO know that stations are a structure, right? and that he also included that he wanted items in station hangers to also be destructible? As far as I know, there's only one way that one would happen.
EDIT: Put my foot in my mouth... Posted too soon. My apologies. Misread your post(s).
Anyway, i do think that he meant *all* player-constructed structures, especially outposts, which are currently (afaik) indestructible. NPC structures will most likely still be indestructible.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |

Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:29:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Benny Ohu wrote: but you decided to go full tinfoil and accuse him of lying to manipulate subscription numbers.
Go back through every single move they thought would be unpopular, and see how they handled it. CCP has done a horrible job handling PR in the past, and denial is entirely in keeping with previous situations they thought would have a negative player reaction (justified or no). Ask Entity some time about the stuff that CCP has removed from game, and player hangers, without even putting it in the patch notes. YOU CAN'T VALIDATE A CONSPIRACY THEORY WITH OLDER, UNRELATED CONSPIRACY THEORIES. |

Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:29:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I think OP might be an IZ alt.
He has to get in line behind Ginger Magician, Winter Steele, Entity, Mittani, Chribba, Joe Williams, and Hilmar. I'm supposedly an alt of all, some, or none of them.
No, sorry, this really is my main. |

Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:35:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:
EDIT: Put my foot in my mouth... Posted too soon. My apologies. Misread your post(s).
Anyway, i do think that he meant *all* player-constructed structures, especially outposts, which are currently (afaik) indestructible. NPC structures will most likely still be indestructible.
You can make anything in the game destructible, you can just make destroying them impractical. I posted an idea earlier about how NPC stations could be destructible, but so time consuming to destroy that there's little actual difference between it and invulnerability. Mittani could get headlines blowing up Jita 4-4, but it'd be something that took every single goon shooting for a month solid to pull off. |

Dalloway Jones
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:37:00 -
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It would be nice if someone from CCP would pop in and clarify a few things so the people running around with their skirts up over their heads would calm themselves. |

Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:42:00 -
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Dalloway Jones wrote:It would be nice if someone from CCP would pop in and clarify a few things so the people running around with their skirts up over their heads would calm themselves.
I just wish Benny would take a breather. Maybe go WATCH the feed or something. The idea that events are moving along between page 01 and page 05 seems to elude him. I've been going back and editing OP as information come to light. This is a consolidated concerns thread. Given that this is eve, it's gonna get a bit weird because not everyone sees things quite the same.
In all honesty, I'm surprised that certain posters have NOT turned up. (Dinsdale) |

mkint
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Posted - 2014.05.03 02:52:00 -
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are we surprised that a high level dev thinks nullsec is the only place in EVE that exists? really? I mean... really? Odds of highsec stations ever being destructible are near 0%. Except maybe on the last day of EVE.
So how about you at least read dev posts. Like the one where Yterbium says capitals will NOT be allowed into highsec. And then goes on to explain how further information will be coming soon, except all the devs are smashed tonight.
The release schedule? Hmm. How many times have we said "postpone this change!@" I've said it. I've thought it more than I've said it. How many game mechanics that are nothing but unpleasant chores would have been good if they'd have had time to do it right? Would space-barbie still have failed? Yes. Yes it would have. But that's beside the point. It might suck, it might mean even smaller, less ambitious features, because nobody wants to be on a team that's not producing anything, much less lead one. I think it'll work well for at least a year or two anyway. If devs are going to burn out on it, I figure they'll at least last that long.
Dust will end. Was that ever a surprise? At all? It was developed for a console at the very end of it's life cycle. CCP announced the next stage of Dust. They didn't explain a transition or anything like that. It's not an issue... yet.
Some of these concerns are valid. So far there hasn't been enough meat and potatoes that hasn't already been covered in dev blogs, or needs dev blogs to be covered properly. Most of the more pressing concerns were in the relevant devblogs. There'll be plenty of time for threadnaughts after fanfest when we get some devposts. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |

Nariya Kentaya
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Posted - 2014.05.03 03:03:00 -
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Thead Enco wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Ok,
4) the Dust debacle
Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE. CCP did what needed to be done, now Legion could be quite possbily the EVE FPS that the community praises NOT the one that it laughs at. CCP made a good call on this and if people spent $100's of dollars on a game that's platform was near the end of it's lifespan than it's your own damn fault simply as that.  #ERAofthePChasreturned It doesnt matter, they intentionally led on within a month of the announcement of Legion that theyw ere still developing all of the things for DUST they then said would never be in DUST, they were still holding Aurum-centric competitions and events, and then proceeded to tell them all the years, progress, money, and effort they put into DUST didnt matter, and that they would then be required to buy another platform if they wanted to play the DUST they had been promised.
CCP ahs already made bad blood, and there are already posts and articles popping up aroudn the net about CCP "backstabbing a playerbase" and how they shouldnt be trusted. And the DUST players themselves have stated a desire to do everything in their power to drag Legion down and try to prevent its success, because CCP stated their efforts will no longer relate to EVE, and every EVE based promise they had would no longer be fulfillled.
Think when CCP promised feet-on-the-ground in EVE, and a couple years later we got DUST, on a separate console alot of people couldnt even play, and were told to deal with it, playerbase was less than thrilled, same is happening to the DUST community. Except with the DUST community, they no longer have their game, unlike the EVE players who could just continue playing the EVE they always had, DUST players have been informed DUST's design direction will be shifted in the direction of casual-shooter with MAYBE some features from legion spilling over, with no option to put their name/effort/progress into legion, the game they had been progressing/waiting/PAYING to play. |

Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 03:10:00 -
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mkint wrote:are we surprised that a high level dev thinks nullsec is the only place in EVE that exists? really? I mean... really? Odds of highsec stations ever being destructible are near 0%. Except maybe on the last day of EVE.
Sadly, I think this guy really means that, even though there are ways around it, as I mentioned. Remember this IS the guy that previously ran the WoD dev team, IIRC.
mkint wrote: So how about you at least read dev posts. Like the one where Yterbium says capitals will NOT be allowed into highsec. And then goes on to explain how further information will be coming soon, except all the devs are smashed tonight.
Two things, one that I was unaware of that dev post when writing the op, and two, I still don't buy it and am waiting to hear something more concise from Fozzie. Vague denials and passing the buck usually mean that people won't like the answer.
mkint wrote: Dust will end. Was that ever a surprise? At all? It was developed for a console at the very end of it's life cycle. CCP announced the next stage of Dust. They didn't explain a transition or anything like that. It's not an issue... yet..
The 'yet' part is what worries me. The forums over there are going up in flames and CCP has yet to do any real damage control. And it's not just there, almost ever major game site has at least on thread on it though some news sites have been trying to spin it.
Mind you, our fellow eve players are also gleefully heaping fuel on the fire (Can i haz your stuff???), which might turn a minor issue into a major one.
I think CCP has just kicked a hornets nest, but only time will tell if it's 'Horse Armor' big or 'ME3 Ending' big. |

mkint
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Posted - 2014.05.03 03:18:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:CCP has yet to do any real damage control.
You realize CCP are pretty much all drunk off their asses right now? Most of them likely passed out in puddles of their own puke, where maybe they have a chance of recovering enough by tomorrow to put in another 18 hour day. I highly doubt any devs are in a position to post anything helpful right now. We have plenty of time for threadnaughts. None of that stuff is really all that urgent. Only the freighters are on any kind of close deadline, and that's still got a full month to tweak some simple numbers in a database if that will turn into a problem. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |

Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 03:33:00 -
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mkint wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:CCP has yet to do any real damage control. You realize CCP are pretty much all drunk off their asses right now? Most of them likely passed out in puddles of their own puke, where maybe they have a chance of recovering enough by tomorrow to put in another 18 hour day. I highly doubt any devs are in a position to post anything helpful right now. We have plenty of time for threadnaughts. None of that stuff is really all that urgent. Only the freighters are on any kind of close deadline, and that's still got a full month to tweak some simple numbers in a database if that will turn into a problem.
Well, one, sure, the EvE stuff can wait, but the Dust thing is going up in flames as we speak. Any PR guy will tell you, the first 24 hours are key when it comes to framing the narrative. Right now CCP is going down as the next EA across the internet for having supposedly taken the money and ran.
Considering they have two releases coming up, that bitterness could really bite them on the ass, and that has consequences for EvE. |

mkint
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Posted - 2014.05.03 03:46:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:mkint wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:CCP has yet to do any real damage control. You realize CCP are pretty much all drunk off their asses right now? Most of them likely passed out in puddles of their own puke, where maybe they have a chance of recovering enough by tomorrow to put in another 18 hour day. I highly doubt any devs are in a position to post anything helpful right now. We have plenty of time for threadnaughts. None of that stuff is really all that urgent. Only the freighters are on any kind of close deadline, and that's still got a full month to tweak some simple numbers in a database if that will turn into a problem. Well, one, sure, the EvE stuff can wait, but the Dust thing is going up in flames as we speak. Any PR guy will tell you, the first 24 hours are key when it comes to framing the narrative. Right now CCP is going down as the next EA across the internet for having supposedly taken the money and ran. Considering they have two releases coming up, that bitterness could really bite them on the ass, and that has consequences for EvE.
Except dust was going to die anyway, so who cares? Ok, if they handle the dust/legion hand off with anything short of perfection, yeah, CCP will look like giant douches, and legion will be DOA. But if they do pull it off, and they've got all the time in the world to get it right, pretty much anything will be forgiven. Internet news has an attention span of about 3 minutes. We've evolved into mayflies. This really isn't anywhere close to Incarna bad, where EVE itself didn't have any notable development for 2 years straight with nothing of value being created in it's stead. At least Dust has still been on it's update schedule, and CCP still has the opportunity to continue with the same level of patches... balance, content, minor bug fixes... all the stuff that will translate directly to legion when it's ready to launch. Of course, they do have an opportunity to screw it up as well, but that's always been true.
There isn't a lot they can say to quiet a media shitstorm, except to tell whatever lies they think people want to hear, which EVE players don't tolerate that well. They are really probably better off to let the noise burn itself out, and then to just prove them wrong. I'm more concerned about their actual ability to prove people wrong, but it's still not an urgent thing.
edit: I guess my own biggest concern is whether or not all the industry changes, some of which are arbitrary, some of which are nerfs, some of which are kinda useful, really will lead to a sov system that doesn't suck, like seagull promised. I have no end of cynicism about that. I'm convinced sov, and it's associated charlie-foxtrot, is what will kill EVE. But at least the fanfest laid out that this is step 1 of attempting to work on it. step 2 being the corp (and I think POS) interface, and step 3 being sov. So, at least they acknowledge that it sucks and there's a plan. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |

Cygnet Lythanea
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Posted - 2014.05.03 04:37:00 -
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mkint wrote:
Except dust was going to die anyway, so who cares? Ok, if they handle the dust/legion hand off with anything short of perfection, yeah, CCP will look like giant douches, and legion will be DOA. But if they do pull it off, and they've got all the time in the world to get it right, pretty much anything will be forgiven.
One, this is CCP we're talking about. Let us recall how ham fisted they're dealing with previous issues has been. I have a hard time picturing them handling it 'well' let alone 'perfect'.
Remember that Eve Players are not the target audiance for Dust and Legion. From the outside looking in, it's much worse than incarna actually (remember that most of the internet went 'so?' re incarna). Picture it if Incarna came along, and then they followed it by letting you know they were closing Eve to make WoD, at Fanfest.
Imagine the fallout if that had happened. Because that's how a lot of the dusties seem to be seeing it. |

Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2014.05.03 04:47:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Dalloway Jones wrote:It would be nice if someone from CCP would pop in and clarify a few things so the people running around with their skirts up over their heads would calm themselves. I just wish Benny would take a breather. Maybe go WATCH the feed or something. The idea that events are moving along between page 01 and page 05 seems to elude him. ) so far you've jumped from 'here's a personal thought' to 'they're going to blow up everything'. when presented with a devpost confirming capitals won't be in highsec, you immediately called it a lie and demanded a different dev (on the same team) confirm it again, citing a crackpot theory about ccp trying to manipulate subs. when challenged over your lies and absurd leaps of logic, you accused me three times of being a troll or trying to manipulate you into banning yourself. you've cited past miscommunications as indication of ccp conspiracy. you've attempted to use 'isd didn't lock my thread' as validation for your rumourmongering. now you're accusing me of not having heard ccp scarpia talk. which i have. he didn't say 'everything will be destructible'.
you haven't yet validated your 'concerns' as anything other than wild speculation |

Destination SkillQueue
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Posted - 2014.05.03 06:19:00 -
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1) It'll never happen in the literal sense and everyone with a functioning brain knows it.
2) There is nothing to indicate this would be the case and every reason to believe it won't happen.
3) There was nothing about more new content per year. Just more releases per year to facilitate a more flexible development system.
4) Handling of it sucks for the PS3 folk. The actual decision is a good one for us though and an inevitable one for DUST. It had no long term future on PS3 and everyone knew it long before the game was even released.
If this is your list of concerns, you really don't have much to be concerned about. The first two are just baseless fears. The third one can pan out in many ways, but can also be changed and tweaked again when problems arise. The fourth one was predictable and the losers of the deal are also equally predictably upset about it. Are we supposed to be concerned, that sometimes lofty visions don't pan out in reality? We all already know that and so does everyone who has ever played an online game for a long time. These online outrages about game company X happen constantly with threats of long term damage and boycotts being hurled around. In the end the public forgets about them the instant another shiny thing attracts their attention and only a few are willing to nurture their hatred and spite to a level needed to carry out their meaningless threats. What the large public cares about is delivery of goods. If you deliver, they love you for it. If you don't, they'll dump you without a second glance. |
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