which was gunna be my new battleship killing pve ship.

No. No it was not.
Might I suggest a Raven? It will do that job a whole lot better than the Naga ever would.
Or a Tengu?

Also, the Caldari have enough missile ships as it is GÇö they can use a new one that makes use of their secondary weapon system.

Even if they kept the missile hardpoints you would have lost it to NPCs, none of the t3 BCs are for PvE, unless maybe you ultra drake tank it and then it wouldnt do much damage

Train hybrids. No, seriously.

I fly a tengu now, but its a support vessel for the thanny.

Iif i want to use hybrids, why not just fly the gallente ship?

I'd greatly prefer a torp naga... if i want to use hybrids, why not just fly the gallente ship?

Because you're Caldari / Shield-specced, not Gallente / Armour-specced.

Since CCP added the support skills to the drone/missile category, the weapon systems have really changed. I'd say its become just as complex as training gunnery.

That being said, there's nothing wrong with asking for a missile boat.

I can understand why OP is upset and dissapointed.

BTW what in the name of god is the primary role of this new ship? This all seems like watching some kid try to build new toys with the assistance of duct tape. Really, the ideas were cool on paper, but they're sucking in the reality department.

Why not just scrap this crap and move on?

Very true, after all we didn't all train large hybrids. Too bad we get 2 hybrid boats and no missile ships now, it's disappointing. A lot of people can't really use any of the new tier 3 BCs now.

... taken away the launcher slots ...

So, I was really excited about the new winter release, particularly for the naga, which was gunna be my new battleship killing pve ship. And then CCP through its infinite wisdom has killed my happiness and taken away the launcher slots from the naga. So i ask, wheres the missile love. What new battlecruiser can use missiles. The other ships can use hybrids, projectile, and lasers, but no missiles.

stupid

Even if they kept the missile hardpoints you would have lost it to NPCs, none of the t3 BCs are for PvE, unless maybe you ultra drake tank it and then it wouldnt do much damage

BTW what in the name of god is the primary role of this new ship? This all seems like watching some kid try to build new toys with the assistance of duct tape. Really, the ideas were cool on paper, but they're sucking in the reality department.

the bonuses on a ship generally tell you their purpose. i popped a catalyst from 200km on test server, learn to fit.

the bonuses on a ship generally tell you their purpose. i popped a catalyst from 200km on test server, learn to fit.

the bonuses on a ship generally tell you their purpose. i popped a catalyst from 200km on test server, learn to fit.

the naga even with large nuetron blasters does quiet well vs 0.0 blood raider belt rats and it can align and warp out much quicker than any bs can

I fly a tengu now, but its a support vessel for the thanny. I wanted that 1000DPS to slice through rogue drone battleships more effectively. Especially since it could be 1000 dps of any damage type. So i could use the appropriate EM torps instead of my kinetic heavy missiles.

stoopid

I fly a tengu now, but its a support vessel for the thanny. I wanted that 1000DPS to slice through rogue drone battleships more effectively. Especially since it could be 1000 dps of any damage type. So i could use the appropriate EM torps instead of my kinetic heavy missiles.

stoopid

jesus, another carebear whining thread about not being able to use a missile-naga for his lvl4s

jesus, another carebear whining thread about not being able to use a missile-naga for his lvl4s

Telling ppl to just train Hybrids is a cop out, it's like telling Gallente pilots to to give up on blasters and train Amarr instead. It's not the point!

Oh yeah, my thanny in my lvl 4 missions. Idiot. Jesus christ, cant anyone be a cearbear. Every other missile system got an extreme dps version of itself except for missiles. thats the point.

Hybrids are a perfectly valid Caldari system, as several ships are dedicated hybrid platforms.


Do not whine because you cannot be bothered to queue up a few skills. I have trained for every single racial ship and weapons systems in the game, and some people are afraid to go beyond PVEfest missiles?







I can't say that I did not like the choice between hybrids and missiles on the Naga.


Ideally CCP could just add two torpedo bonuses (so it would have x2 hybrid bonuses and x2 torpedo bonuses, as many many people suggested) and provide the Naga with 8 missile launcher hardpoints, allowing to have a secondary option to blasters in close range combat. Everyone is happy and satisfied.

It's got NOTHING to do with level 4 missions or "carebears'. The Naga would be totally hopeless at level 4s anyway!

No. No it was not.
Might I suggest a Raven? It will do that job a whole lot better than the Naga ever would.
Or a Tengu?

Also, the Caldari have enough missile ships as it is GÇö they can use a new one that makes use of their secondary weapon system.

It is annoying that all high-gank T1 ships use g++ns, though. Destroyers all use guns, and now these glass cannon BCs are also g++n-based. Why can't EVE have just one missile-based glass cannon?

It is annoying that all high-gank T1 ships use g++ns, though. Destroyers all use guns, and now these glass cannon BCs are also g++n-based. Why can't EVE have just one missile-based glass cannon?

Missiles do not mesh well with the premise of glass cannon because of travel time. About the only time they'd be close to gun based glass cannons is when sitting at 0 on the target, and even then the missiles do a loop between firing and impacting the target, taking about half a second for the damage to register. Guns by contrast register damage instantly upon firing. And when flying a glass cannon that half second can often mean the difference between life and death.

Missiles do not mesh well with the premise of glass cannon because of travel time. About the only time they'd be close to gun based glass cannons is when sitting at 0 on the target, and even then the missiles do a loop between firing and impacting the target, taking about half a second for the damage to register. Guns by contrast register damage instantly upon firing. And when flying a glass cannon that half second can often mean the difference between life and death.

im more impressed that he sat there and let you do that. sounds like a good sport, or someone AFK.

the role of these ships is extreme damage projection in PvP. CCP may have noticed a large alliance or two starting to use disposable, extreme DPS hurricanes against supercaps and suicide ganking in highsec, and figured why not build a ship specifically for the role, as none really existed.

Every ship in the game should get 2 bonuses for every single weapon type, just to be fair and satisfy everyone.

Works well for minmatar 1400's and perhaps amarr tachyons for sniping. Hybrids alpha will be less, putting caldari / gallente less into the suicide sniper role.

On the contrary, if CCP would let me fly a missile-based glass cannon, I'd have my 2nd volley well on the way before the target even notices the missiles I'm firing at him! Or if using Cruise Missiles with a range bonus, it'd probably be the 3rd or even 4th volley...

Also, do you see my point about first Destroyers and now these new Battlecruisers? CCP won't create any high-gank/no-tank missile-based ships.