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Mirasta
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Mosara
It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander".......
Great Job, CCP....
To rip off a phrase i read in another thread "You fail at life"
I bet you watch startrek next gen and say thats an unorignal rip of orignal startrek...
Dont talk so daft :P
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Zellin Dalimar
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Posted - 2006.05.24 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mosara
I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999,
You have my deepest sympathies.
-Zel
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:10:00 -
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The topic is a rip off. Adam and EVE. The world is doomed!The sky is falling! Everyone is ripping off everyone else! Oh noes 
EVEBay
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Melkor Bloodaxe
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kipkruide
I think the word you are looking for is inspiration there.
Every fantasy book ever written could be said to be based on tolkiens novels, I don't hear too much whining about that. Probably because people enjoy them as much as the originals since the fact that they have an elf in them is not the same as plagiarism. But to cut this short. Don't whine or Don't play. In your case i'd prefer the second. mr Nub.
And even Tolkien's most famous work (Lord of the Rings) is not completely his own fantasy. It's mostly basted on Norse/German myths.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mosara
It was a sad day....
..and your post has done nothing to make it any better.
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I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong.
Very little in this world is truly original.
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:15:00 -
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I think the best line ever to describe the world today comes from Stargate SG-1:
"Theres no such thing as original thought now. We just keep regurgitating the same stuff over and over" Not exact, but close enough.
EVEBay
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Matthias DuBastyra
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Matthias DuBastyra on 24/05/2006 14:21:26
You know, I've flown from one side of the empire to the other and have yet to see any "rats" in this game. Yet people still refer to them when they are in the belts....hmm...wait a minute, could it be that the term "rat" was ripped off from Ever*****?
Oh! the Humanity!
But to be honest, we are all influenced from what we encounter. All Literature and movies are a rehash of the old stuff. Originality isn't dead, it's just now a Rank 14 skill at Level 4 trying to get to level 5.
(Oh, god, I can't believe I just typed that.)
With that said, don't dwell too much on this. Log into EVE*****. Kill a rat or two and think to yourself, "Just how can I make this game more original for me." But then again, it became original the moment you signed up for it. I know, I'm such a carebear! I need a moment! I'm so vaclempt!
Matthias DuBastyra
Imperiadux of House Draconis
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Gallente Frigate
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:19:00 -
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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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banannagirl
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:20:00 -
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Pods were a make of shoe back in the early eighties .. !
i had a pair i know ... !
regards
BG
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Oosel
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:21:00 -
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ccp have already said i think it was herr doktor himself at the first chat he gave at the fanfest they first got the idea of eve from elite itself which came out long b4 wing commander was even a twinkle in its creators eye
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Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
I dont know what is worse, the OP or the people who replied without reading.
It's definitely the latter in my opinion. Once guy has a stupid opinion - forgiveable.
Storming into a thread with flames without even reading what you are supposed to flaming? It deserves immediate sterilisation tbh.
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Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon
"Theres no such thing as original thought now. We just keep regurgitating the same stuff over and over" Not exact, but close enough.
How ironic
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Synurae
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:24:00 -
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Bwah, the OP does have a point, in a sense.
What he doesn't realize tho is the cross-pollination that occurs within Sci-Fi when it comes to concepts. Sci-Fi authors of any kind, be it bookwriters, screenwriters or game designers, have been borrowing from their collegues since the dawn of our beloved genre.
Especially funny is the fact that EVERY sci-fi concept in existence takes its ship classification and terminology from the 1930's Treaty ships. Frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battlecruiser etc ...
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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:28:00 -
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I'm hoping this is a joke post gone wrong... if it isn't I'm going to have to start plotting humanity's downfall again :/
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Rimac
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Posted - 2006.05.24 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mosara
It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong.
Great Job, CCP....
Actually I don't know where you got the impression EVE was original, in fact no one said it was. I am a long time gamer and science fiction fan. Stuff like jumps, pods etc etc were around even before there were any serious computer games. There are SF books going back as far as 1950 describing such concepts.
As for EVE being a Wing Commander ripoff, no it's not. On the surface it may appear the same, but Wing Commander is radically different. Pods in wingcommander in example are totally different from pods in EVE; They only thing they share is the name 'pod'. Furthermore WingCommander is a ripoff from another game itself (and I played all Wing Commander games), although I don't recall what the game was called. The Wing Commander movie in turn is a very very weak ripoff of the Wing Commander game series if anything.
EVE was inspired (or so many people say, and I believe the devs confirmed it) on an old game called 'Elite' from the 1980's. It was available on PC but I believe it even started on Amiga (or one of the other ancient consoles). In Elite you could hunt for pirates, run into the police, trade between planets. All the while you were flying around in a type of ship you bought with specific fittings. Elite was a lot of fun and extremely addictive... Sound familiar? 
The thing is, no one ever hid the fact that it was based on Elite. In fact they took a very good concept and built on it to what it is today. As we say in holland 'I prefer a good copy over a bad original idea'. Furthermore, if you follow your line of reasoning, many people would say that any kind of first person shooter would be derived from Castle Wolfenstein and none of them are original... However I was playing 3D type first person shooters many years even before Castle Wolfenstein was ever released, or before we even had Windows, on a very very old japanese gaming console which just had 6 integrated games. It also included a 'lasergun' you could actually point and shoot at a TV and it worked very well. Nintendo reintroduced that in the 90's as a 'new' idea. Yet in the early 80's it had already been done. 99% of the 'new and original' ideas you see today have, in fact, already been done, or at least thought of, before.
Even so, EVE is very original in many ways. An unsharded world, a unique learning system, unparalleled player interaction, a harsh unforgiving environment unlike any other game... The list goes on.
So is the EVE basic game concept new? Not by a longshot. But then almost no concept is truly new? But is EVE original? Yes it is.
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Lady Fallon
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Posted - 2006.05.24 15:28:00 -
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warp drive is the most common term used for FTL transit due to its entry into pop culture via startrek. as such most scifi will use a warp drive, or a Hyperdrive as the terms are known to those who arent even deeply into scifi.
pretty much anyone on the street knows that warp speed means really fast and warp drive makes you go really fast(and that when it breaks scotty gets asked for more power).
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2006.05.24 15:35:00 -
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Pod
The term pod has been around longer than science fiction, its a metaphor referring to peas.
Jumpdrives
For a space opera of any shape or form to span galaxies they require some form of faster than light travel. Be it "folding space" as in Dune, Hyperspace engines like in starwars, the classic recycling of Warp drives as with startrek and countless others. Of course the concept of jump gates, stargates, jump portals, artificial worm holes etc etc are also prevalent. My point is that there are only a few concepts for FTL that designers can use for a basis that will grab people's attention and within the confines of fiction seem believeable. Very few will tend towards combining so many possibilities into one world. In EVE we have warp drives, acceleration gates, Jump gates (and wormholes) and jump drives (I chose to distinguish the two).
Capital Ships
Oh for shame CCP, Wing commander uses this... Ok sarcasm asside everyone uses this. The term is as transferable as warship. "Capital Ships" are basically just your main big ships... In modern navies the few remaining battleships and aircraft carriers.
Basically there would be no EVE at all if they didn't plagerise/copy/steal/modify etc etc something somewhere science fiction or otherwise. However does this make the game less unique? No of course not.
/me wishes there was an emote for wagging finger
Off topic slightly
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The Wing Commander movie in turn is a very very weak ripoff of the Wing Commander game series if anything.
The movie was directed or produced (I forget which) by the guy behind the games (I forget his name too) so its not really a rippoff so much as a televisation.
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Winter Star
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Posted - 2006.05.24 15:37:00 -
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And to make sure the inertia dampenders are online *teehee* 
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2006.05.24 15:38:00 -
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There are similarities in Wing Commander, doesn't see anything wrong there, the plot is just crap though as is the acting, the scenery though looks interesting as I recall.
The devs however stated they were inspired by the works on Enki Belal and his movie Immortel.
Remind me about The Maze.
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Winter Star
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Posted - 2006.05.24 15:44:00 -
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The name you're looking for is Chris Roberts.
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zyphentits
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Posted - 2006.05.24 15:49:00 -
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What about star trek? They have fleets, alliances, battle cruisers, battleships. THe Romulans race is just like gellante ships. Either way, I havn't seen another space game as good as this one. I'm sure you will soon see eve rip offs very soon dew to the popularity of EVE lately.
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Kyreema
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Posted - 2006.05.24 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mosara
...The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment...
Actually Lucas got the attack scene on the death star from a movie called The Damnbusters (based on the RAF's daring raid to destroy Germany's steel industry during WW2). Even some of the dialogue is the same, Lucas even mentioned the Damnbusters as his inspiration for that particular scene in an interview.
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2006.05.24 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: KipkruideEvery fantasy book ever written could be said to be based on tolkiens novels, I don't hear too much whining about that.
I've been known to on occasion 
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Jacobz
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Posted - 2006.05.24 16:22:00 -
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Star Control omg.
(Star Control IV is a rumor atm..omg, from the makers of sc1 and sc2 too!)
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.05.24 16:38:00 -
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EVE sux as a computer game cuz ccp didn't invent the computers!!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
You Will Cry My Name
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.05.24 16:41:00 -
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I'm not wasting any more words on this, save for what I just said and...
lolz
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Purgatori
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Posted - 2006.05.24 16:45:00 -
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I think this person should of gone to E3
Most Stupid Forum Post
Its English, common words,names we all use. A battleship is a battleship.. not pink zooma tron v3 or some crap.
Never wanted to slap some one with a fish so hard
Just..just end ur self
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Lasraik
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Posted - 2006.05.24 17:03:00 -
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I'm not sure whats worse, the OP's ridiculous post... or the fact that you sat through the Wing Commander movie.
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Arktiger
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Posted - 2006.05.24 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mosara
It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong.
Great Job, CCP....
.1/10
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Agricola Augusta
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Posted - 2006.05.24 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kalaan Oratay
Originally by: Dak Hakin
Anyone who has ever had a "robot" in a movie, game, book, whatever is ripping off Isaac Asminov.
And you could say that robots are a ripoff of the tinman from The Wizard of Oz
And the Tin Man was a rip off from the movie "Metropolis".
But to say EVE has plagiarised a movie and is therefore un-original, and has left you feeling like your soul was ripped out is a bit extreme. Name one MMO that could be seen as totally 100% original in every aspect? Besides I liked Elite when I was a kid, and most MMOs suck and aren't worth my time or money. Also CCP are the best MMO company in my experience so I think you're just over reacting to a film that's plagiarised many other sources before it.
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