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Mosara	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:15:00 - [1] It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Great Job, CCP....
ReaperOfSly	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:17:00 - [2] So CCP weren't the first people to think of pods jumpdrives and capital ships. Big whoop. --------------------------------------------------------------------
Zhabac	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:17:00 - [3] 1/10
Adam Weishaupt	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:17:00 - [4] So...you think the 'Wing Commander' movie is better than EVE because EVE uses similar vocabulary?
Janine Mosh	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:18:00 - [5] n00b alert , emo , beep , **** but seriously what else do you want to have as responce on you'r post ?
Dr Pringle	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Dr Pringle on 24/05/2006 13:20:54 Considering it is competitively priced compared to other MMO's, even when no other MMO's are as good and addictive as this game, I think you are wrong. If you dont want to pay, dont play, and dont slam the door on the way out. edit - typo
Karunel	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:20:00 - [7] err...what? -23/10
Thorned Switchblade	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:20:00 - [8] If you would've done a little more research, you would've know that the space genre in games started off with Elite. Wing Commander is loosly based on Elite, all be it a more combat orientated game. More correctly would be to say that Eve is therefor based on Elite, which is a common rant/praize on the internet. Elite however is from 1982, a very old game indeed. And it certainly wasn't a MMORPG ;)
Entity	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:21:00 - [9] By this reasoning, pretty much all Sci-Fi is ripped off from and by eachother. Btw, you ripped off one of my posts where you used the phrase "the" Got item?
Astrum Ludus	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Dr Pringle Edited by: Dr Pringle on 24/05/2006 13:20:54 Considering it is competitively priced compared to other MMO's, even when no other MMO's are as good and addictive as this game, I think you are wrong. If you dont want to pay, dont play, and dont slam the door on the way out. edit - typo ... read?
Asnar	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Entity By this reasoning, pretty much all Sci-Fi is ripped off from and by eachother. Btw, you ripped off one of my posts where you used the phrase "the" word And how exactly do you adapt to potentially getting killed by everybody you kill? -Nero Scuro If I miss you, it will be because my tracking is a little off. - Grey Area
Kipkruide	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:24:00 - [12] I think the word you are looking for is inspiration there. Every fantasy book ever written could be said to be based on tolkiens novels, I don't hear too much whining about that. Probably because people enjoy them as much as the originals since the fact that they have an elf in them is not the same as plagiarism. But to cut this short. Don't whine or Don't play. In your case i'd prefer the second. mr Nub.
Za Po	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:25:00 - [13] Edited by: Za Po on 24/05/2006 13:25:11 He's right! Let's all go play some other, TOTALLY ORIGINAL game such as World of Warcraft! We know that blizzard invented orcs and elves, don't we? -------------------- Do you have a solution to the BM and instas problem? Test it against the bookmark requirements.
Ank Myrandor	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Za Po Edited by: Za Po on 24/05/2006 13:25:11 He's right! Let's all go play some other, TOTALLY ORIGINAL game such as World of Warcraft! We know that blizzard invented orcs and elves, don't we? RAWR <-- owh noes pirates are a rippoff too
MrRookie	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Za Po Edited by: Za Po on 24/05/2006 13:25:11 He's right! Let's all go play some other, TOTALLY ORIGINAL game such as World of Warcraft! We know that blizzard invented orcs and elves, don't we? I've heard wow got these glowing swords now like the ones in starwars, obviously stolen (!?!), so we have to come up with something bether. _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
Winter Star	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:28:00 - [16] And of course wing commander (starring Mark Hammil ) is totally 100% original. All the best ideas are always stolen. It's how things work, how things advance, even nature. A different set of solutions to a problem are devised. The best solutions flourish, and are stolen and through iteration improved, until someone comes up with an even better solution. Just because something has been done before doesn;t mean you can't re-use it, although if you are going to re-use something it's a good idea to make sure you at least retain the same level of quality as the original or people get upset :)
Winter Star	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:29:00 - [17] Edited by: Winter Star on 24/05/2006 13:30:55 --dumb double post--
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:29:00 - [18] holy crap, I just realised battleships have been used in the real world navies for hundreds of years. eve is such a ripoff! click here for a seizure
Squidzors	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:30:00 - [19] Originally by: Kipkruide Every fantasy book ever written could be said to be based on tolkiens novels, I don't hear too much whining about that. Probably because people enjoy them as much as the originals since the fact that they have an elf in them is not the same as plagiarism. And Tolkien got his ideas from earlier work, even as far as mythology. There's alot of unique stuff about eve that allows it to stand on its own in its own world.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:32:00 - [20] I dont know what is worse, the OP or the people who replied without reading.
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:33:00 - [21] Wing commander wasnt the first sci-fi game/movie/book to use the terms "pod" or "jumpdrive". The term "capital ship" is also a real naval term and wasnt invented in sci-fi.
Sebroth	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:36:00 - [22] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Great Job, CCP.... You will have to go much longer back then to wing commander to find those words. The moste fun is the Capital Ships.
Dr Pringle	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Astrum Ludus Originally by: Dr Pringle Edited by: Dr Pringle on 24/05/2006 13:20:54 Considering it is competitively priced compared to other MMO's, even when no other MMO's are as good and addictive as this game, I think you are wrong. If you dont want to pay, dont play, and dont slam the door on the way out. edit - typo ... read? I getcha, ill go sit in a corner now As soon as ripoff was said, I immediately thought "costs too much". i did read but it still didnt click (long day). Perhaps a lot of the terminology has been used in other games/movies/comics etc in the past, but thats dictionary terminology, not copyrighted terminology
Kalaan Oratay	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:37:00 - [24] Imatation is the greatest form of flattery Or in reality, Wing Commander hardly pioneered those terms you mentioned and so can be equally accused of being a 'ripoff'... Don't see how any of this has any bearing on your enjoyment of the game however, you are clearly just trolling. Get over yourself. ---
Abner Tabner	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:39:00 - [25] And every fantasy game out there is a rip off of Mother Goose :)
Dak Hakin	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:40:00 - [26] Anyone who has ever had a "robot" in a movie, game, book, whatever is ripping off Isaac Asminov. _______________________________________________ I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work.
Hephaesteus	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:43:00 - [27] Would now be a bad time to mention you could land on the planets in Elite. ----------------------------------------------- Knowing all, when all is unknown.
Kalaan Oratay	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Dak Hakin Anyone who has ever had a "robot" in a movie, game, book, whatever is ripping off Isaac Asminov. And you could say that robots are a ripoff of the tinman from The Wizard of Oz ---
BlackHole Bob	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:52:00 - [29] Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 24/05/2006 13:52:29 J.R.Tolkien's Lord of the Rings if the first written piece to have "troll's" "orc's" and "elve's".....so everyone else ripped him off to! Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com IGB New Player Guide - 100% In Game Compatible.
GouldFish	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:53:00 - [30] Come on you have to pitty the guy, he sat and watched the wing commander movie! hell I would not ask my worste foe to watch that film. The games on the over hand were much better. But if that dissapoints you, then you better start buying the prozac fast.
Mirasta	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander"....... Great Job, CCP.... To rip off a phrase i read in another thread "You fail at life" I bet you watch startrek next gen and say thats an unorignal rip of orignal startrek... Dont talk so daft :P
Zellin Dalimar	Posted - 2006.05.24 13:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Mosara I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, You have my deepest sympathies. -Zel
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:10:00 - [33] The topic is a rip off. Adam and EVE. The world is doomed!The sky is falling! Everyone is ripping off everyone else! Oh noes EVEBay
Melkor Bloodaxe	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Kipkruide I think the word you are looking for is inspiration there. Every fantasy book ever written could be said to be based on tolkiens novels, I don't hear too much whining about that. Probably because people enjoy them as much as the originals since the fact that they have an elf in them is not the same as plagiarism. But to cut this short. Don't whine or Don't play. In your case i'd prefer the second. mr Nub. And even Tolkien's most famous work (Lord of the Rings) is not completely his own fantasy. It's mostly basted on Norse/German myths. --- 49. Fares Hrym from the east / holding his shield the Mithgard-Worm / in mighty rage scatters the waves / screams the eagle his nib tears the dead / Naglfar loosens. [Voluspa]
Andrue	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day.... ..and your post has done nothing to make it any better. Quote: I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Very little in this world is truly original. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:15:00 - [36] I think the best line ever to describe the world today comes from Stargate SG-1: "Theres no such thing as original thought now. We just keep regurgitating the same stuff over and over" Not exact, but close enough. EVEBay
Matthias DuBastyra	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:19:00 - [37] Edited by: Matthias DuBastyra on 24/05/2006 14:21:26 You know, I've flown from one side of the empire to the other and have yet to see any "rats" in this game. Yet people still refer to them when they are in the belts....hmm...wait a minute, could it be that the term "rat" was ripped off from Ever***? Oh! the Humanity! But to be honest, we are all influenced from what we encounter. All Literature and movies are a rehash of the old stuff. Originality isn't dead, it's just now a Rank 14 skill at Level 4 trying to get to level 5. (Oh, god, I can't believe I just typed that.) With that said, don't dwell too much on this. Log into EVE***. Kill a rat or two and think to yourself, "Just how can I make this game more original for me." But then again, it became original the moment you signed up for it. I know, I'm such a carebear! I need a moment! I'm so vaclempt! Matthias DuBastyra Imperiadux of House Draconis
Gallente Frigate	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:19:00 - [38] lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
banannagirl	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:20:00 - [39] Pods were a make of shoe back in the early eighties .. ! i had a pair i know ... ! regards BG http://www.artzgalaxies.com/
Oosel	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:21:00 - [40] ccp have already said i think it was herr doktor himself at the first chat he gave at the fanfest they first got the idea of eve from elite itself which came out long b4 wing commander was even a twinkle in its creators eye
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Deja Thoris I dont know what is worse, the OP or the people who replied without reading. It's definitely the latter in my opinion. Once guy has a stupid opinion - forgiveable. Storming into a thread with flames without even reading what you are supposed to flaming? It deserves immediate sterilisation tbh.
Nev Clavain	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:24:00 - [42] Originally by: JamesTalon "Theres no such thing as original thought now. We just keep regurgitating the same stuff over and over" Not exact, but close enough. How ironic
Synurae	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:24:00 - [43] Bwah, the OP does have a point, in a sense. What he doesn't realize tho is the cross-pollination that occurs within Sci-Fi when it comes to concepts. Sci-Fi authors of any kind, be it bookwriters, screenwriters or game designers, have been borrowing from their collegues since the dawn of our beloved genre. Especially funny is the fact that EVERY sci-fi concept in existence takes its ship classification and terminology from the 1930's Treaty ships. Frigate, destroyer, cruiser, battlecruiser etc ...
Irashi	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:28:00 - [44] I'm hoping this is a joke post gone wrong... if it isn't I'm going to have to start plotting humanity's downfall again :/ __________________________________________________ :D Many thanks for the frequent sig comments
Rimac	Posted - 2006.05.24 14:30:00 - [45] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Great Job, CCP.... Actually I don't know where you got the impression EVE was original, in fact no one said it was. I am a long time gamer and science fiction fan. Stuff like jumps, pods etc etc were around even before there were any serious computer games. There are SF books going back as far as 1950 describing such concepts. As for EVE being a Wing Commander ripoff, no it's not. On the surface it may appear the same, but Wing Commander is radically different. Pods in wingcommander in example are totally different from pods in EVE; They only thing they share is the name 'pod'. Furthermore WingCommander is a ripoff from another game itself (and I played all Wing Commander games), although I don't recall what the game was called. The Wing Commander movie in turn is a very very weak ripoff of the Wing Commander game series if anything. EVE was inspired (or so many people say, and I believe the devs confirmed it) on an old game called 'Elite' from the 1980's. It was available on PC but I believe it even started on Amiga (or one of the other ancient consoles). In Elite you could hunt for pirates, run into the police, trade between planets. All the while you were flying around in a type of ship you bought with specific fittings. Elite was a lot of fun and extremely addictive... Sound familiar? The thing is, no one ever hid the fact that it was based on Elite. In fact they took a very good concept and built on it to what it is today. As we say in holland 'I prefer a good copy over a bad original idea'. Furthermore, if you follow your line of reasoning, many people would say that any kind of first person shooter would be derived from Castle Wolfenstein and none of them are original... However I was playing 3D type first person shooters many years even before Castle Wolfenstein was ever released, or before we even had Windows, on a very very old japanese gaming console which just had 6 integrated games. It also included a 'lasergun' you could actually point and shoot at a TV and it worked very well. Nintendo reintroduced that in the 90's as a 'new' idea. Yet in the early 80's it had already been done. 99% of the 'new and original' ideas you see today have, in fact, already been done, or at least thought of, before. Even so, EVE is very original in many ways. An unsharded world, a unique learning system, unparalleled player interaction, a harsh unforgiving environment unlike any other game... The list goes on. So is the EVE basic game concept new? Not by a longshot. But then almost no concept is truly new? But is EVE original? Yes it is.
Lady Fallon	Posted - 2006.05.24 15:28:00 - [46] warp drive is the most common term used for FTL transit due to its entry into pop culture via startrek. as such most scifi will use a warp drive, or a Hyperdrive as the terms are known to those who arent even deeply into scifi. pretty much anyone on the street knows that warp speed means really fast and warp drive makes you go really fast(and that when it breaks scotty gets asked for more power).
Rick Dentill	Posted - 2006.05.24 15:35:00 - [47] Pod The term pod has been around longer than science fiction, its a metaphor referring to peas. Jumpdrives For a space opera of any shape or form to span galaxies they require some form of faster than light travel. Be it "folding space" as in Dune, Hyperspace engines like in starwars, the classic recycling of Warp drives as with startrek and countless others. Of course the concept of jump gates, stargates, jump portals, artificial worm holes etc etc are also prevalent. My point is that there are only a few concepts for FTL that designers can use for a basis that will grab people's attention and within the confines of fiction seem believeable. Very few will tend towards combining so many possibilities into one world. In EVE we have warp drives, acceleration gates, Jump gates (and wormholes) and jump drives (I chose to distinguish the two). Capital Ships Oh for shame CCP, Wing commander uses this... Ok sarcasm asside everyone uses this. The term is as transferable as warship. "Capital Ships" are basically just your main big ships... In modern navies the few remaining battleships and aircraft carriers. Basically there would be no EVE at all if they didn't plagerise/copy/steal/modify etc etc something somewhere science fiction or otherwise. However does this make the game less unique? No of course not. /me wishes there was an emote for wagging finger Off topic slightly Quote: The Wing Commander movie in turn is a very very weak ripoff of the Wing Commander game series if anything. The movie was directed or produced (I forget which) by the guy behind the games (I forget his name too) so its not really a rippoff so much as a televisation. _______ http://x-universe.kiwi.nu/page.php?id=dd
Winter Star	Posted - 2006.05.24 15:37:00 - [48] And to make sure the inertia dampenders are online teehee
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2006.05.24 15:38:00 - [49] There are similarities in Wing Commander, doesn't see anything wrong there, the plot is just crap though as is the acting, the scenery though looks interesting as I recall. The devs however stated they were inspired by the works on Enki Belal and his movie Immortel. Remind me about The Maze. I'm Danton Marcellus and I approve of this message.
Winter Star	Posted - 2006.05.24 15:44:00 - [50] The name you're looking for is Chris Roberts.
zyphentits	Posted - 2006.05.24 15:49:00 - [51] What about star trek? They have fleets, alliances, battle cruisers, battleships. THe Romulans race is just like gellante ships. Either way, I havn't seen another space game as good as this one. I'm sure you will soon see eve rip offs very soon dew to the popularity of EVE lately. ---------------------------------------------
Kyreema	Posted - 2006.05.24 16:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Mosara ...The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment... Actually Lucas got the attack scene on the death star from a movie called The Damnbusters (based on the RAF's daring raid to destroy Germany's steel industry during WW2). Even some of the dialogue is the same, Lucas even mentioned the Damnbusters as his inspiration for that particular scene in an interview.
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2006.05.24 16:19:00 - [53] Quote: Originally by: KipkruideEvery fantasy book ever written could be said to be based on tolkiens novels, I don't hear too much whining about that. I've been known to on occasion __________________________ Indulge Me
Jacobz	Posted - 2006.05.24 16:22:00 - [54] Star Control omg. (Star Control IV is a rumor atm..omg, from the makers of sc1 and sc2 too!)
Nira Li	Posted - 2006.05.24 16:38:00 - [55] EVE sux as a computer game cuz ccp didn't invent the computers!!! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE You Will Cry My Name Funny Guys
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2006.05.24 16:41:00 - [56] I'm not wasting any more words on this, save for what I just said and... lolz ---- Cultural Advisor of the Omber Administration
Purgatori	Posted - 2006.05.24 16:45:00 - [57] I think this person should of gone to E3 Most Stupid Forum Post Its English, common words,names we all use. A battleship is a battleship.. not pink zooma tron v3 or some crap. Never wanted to slap some one with a fish so hard Just..just end ur self
Lasraik	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:03:00 - [58] I'm not sure whats worse, the OP's ridiculous post... or the fact that you sat through the Wing Commander movie.
Arktiger	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:06:00 - [59] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Great Job, CCP.... .1/10
Agricola Augusta	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:10:00 - [60] Originally by: Kalaan Oratay Originally by: Dak Hakin Anyone who has ever had a "robot" in a movie, game, book, whatever is ripping off Isaac Asminov. And you could say that robots are a ripoff of the tinman from The Wizard of Oz And the Tin Man was a rip off from the movie "Metropolis". But to say EVE has plagiarised a movie and is therefore un-original, and has left you feeling like your soul was ripped out is a bit extreme. Name one MMO that could be seen as totally 100% original in every aspect? Besides I liked Elite when I was a kid, and most MMOs suck and aren't worth my time or money. Also CCP are the best MMO company in my experience so I think you're just over reacting to a film that's plagiarised many other sources before it.
Atsuko Yamamoto	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:13:00 - [61] Wing Commander...Cause uh, yeah, that was a fantastic movie vomit. Maybe the game movies were better Like people are saying in this thread, yeah, there are universal sci-fi themes. Though the seperating factor IMO is the storylines and how the game is presented. EVE has a great and creative storyline leading into the gameplay and gives you a good feel for the EVE universe. Agreeing with the other posters on the rating of the OP (1/10)... ____________________________________ "Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!"-Gir
Constantinee	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:18:00 - [62] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Great Job, CCP.... SLAP! Notice the fact that all space movies like wing commander use similar terms. Yes its true look at starwars and lost in space and movies like those ect. I just caught wing commander on hbo not to long ago (few hours ago) and i realized this too and did not care at all because it does not change how fun this game is. i also got the feeling that the game wing commander was made by some new ccp people is that right i dont know? but like i said i dotn care and alot more people wouldent care either eve is a great game and will stay a great game Want a Cheap Sig? -V- Comedian
Avaleric	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:34:00 - [63] ...tolkien's work is basically a ripoff of old norse and germanic mythologies... Originally by: Kipkruide I think the word you are looking for is inspiration there. Every fantasy book ever written could be said to be based on tolkiens novels, I don't hear too much whining about that. Probably because people enjoy them as much as the originals since the fact that they have an elf in them is not the same as plagiarism. But to cut this short. Don't whine or Don't play. In your case i'd prefer the second. mr Nub. - Ignorance is bliss...
Irashi	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:35:00 - [64] Why are we on three pages here? __________________________________________________ :D Many thanks for the frequent sig comments Like this one? - Petwraith
Kaitiaki	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:31:00 - [65] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Great Job, CCP.... I haven't read the whole thread. I'd apologise for repeating anything people have already said - but this post warrants as many similar replies as it gets, and then some. As others have pointed out, much of the terminology used in EVE is standard sci-fi stuff. For interest's sake, the term 'capital ship' was first used to describe important naval warships in the early 20th century. 'Jump drives' are pretty ubiquitous in sci-fi - anywhere there isn't a warp drive or hyperdrive to do superlight speed from A through B to C, there's usually a 'jump drive' or similar system to allow travel from A straight to C. Seen Battlestar Galactica? Original series had hyperdrive; new series has jump drives. And how long have people been using escape pods in sci-fi? Come on! Yet, EVE has given us a small galaxy full of star names, region names, constellation names, they've named many of the ships (while borrowing various words for others); they've named endless amounts of agents, provided detailed historical backstory and descriptions for every faction in the game; logos galore; music... the list of original elements goes on and on. But you think it's a 'sad day' because someone's used the term 'jump drive' before. Not that it's even copyrighted. Seriously, my friend: if this is what constitutes a 'sad day' in your world, then I really envy you your easy life.
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:43:00 - [66] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Great Job, CCP.... lol.. that's hilarious. If using the word Pod, Jump drive and Capital Ship is a rip of then every Sci-Fi movie ever made is a rip off from Wing Commander. Name one science fiction movie that doesn't use the word Capital Ship to describe a "Large Capital Ship" lol..
Lady Fallon	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:50:00 - [67] a capitol ship is usually a class of ship that is capable of large power projection and command and control of the fleet. in the US Navy a ship such as the Enterprise or Nimitz class carriers serve this roll. however due to how things work in EVE capitol ship just means a ship that costs alot, has siege mode and uses a jumpdrive as they dont provide any real command and control(as the corp fleet commander could be in an Ibis and still have the same meaning on teamspeak).
The Knight	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:55:00 - [68] Originally by: Kalaan Oratay Originally by: Dak Hakin Anyone who has ever had a "robot" in a movie, game, book, whatever is ripping off Isaac Asminov. And you could say that robots are a ripoff of the tinman from The Wizard of Oz I'm sorry, that just wouldn't be correct. You see, the Tin Man does not represent anything robotic at all. If I may, the Wizard of Oz, written by L. Frank Baum, is not just a children's story. Its a story wrapped in symbolism and representative of American politics in the late 1800's. The Tin Man, using your example represents the industrial worker in America during this time. Worn down and needing a heart because he is been hardened by the Industrial tycoons who have taken advantage of him. At one point in Baum's original book, the Tin Man was human, but the Wicked witch of the East cursed his axe causing it to chop off body parts. The only person to help this man was a tinsmith who replaced his missing parts with tin, until all of him was eventually replaced. So you see, the Tin Man in The Wizard of Oz is not indicative of robots at all. He represents the mistreatment of workers. _
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:58:00 - [69] Edited by: Arkanor on 24/05/2006 18:59:52 WTF they ripped the concept for Battlefield 1942 from WWII!? inconcievable!!! Everything is part of another in some way. By the same logic, we can say wing commander ripped off star trek because it's in space. ________________________________________________ \_/ <-- My care cup, LOOK it's empty!
SamuelAdams	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:19:00 - [70] The Tin Man was a precursor of what a space smuggler (no better than a dirty pirate) would look like after Darth Vader froze him in carbonite. It has nothing to do with American industry. n00b!
Zarithas	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:43:00 - [71] Those are common sci-fi terms. If EVE is a rip off, so is WoW (orcs from Tolkien....you could consider every little thing that happens in that game taken off from different fantasy books/movies). Almost every single game is based on lots of other things. The only way a game will be original is if they offer races of spear-wielding squid people (The Noob rocks) at war with giant mushroom stalks that spew acid and cold porridge. If you think EVE is unoriginal simply because some movies and books and other games have terms and things that they do, then you seriously do not get out much (or get "in" much depending on the way you look at it). Tolkien originated Orcs (he called them Orks, but it's the same idea), Star Trek originated all the sci-finess we see today, deal with it dude. -------------------------------- Joria Klex > it's sad really cuz i know for a fact i would utterly destroy u all in RL combat
Red Bishop	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:50:00 - [72] Edited by: Red Bishop on 24/05/2006 19:52:39 OMG! that lord of the rings is a scam!! everything is ripped off dungeons and dragons! on noes! i feel violated... or OH MY GOD! i found this "book" from this DUDE called asimov or whatever and he so totally stole the word robot from some movie i watched last week. How about doing a little reading when youre off the tube once in a while? Actually Zarithas Wow is a rip off of warhammer (of wich they did have a licensing deal that if i recall correctly was revoked some time before they "created" the warcraft universe and launched the first warcraft:orcs and humans).
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:07:00 - [73] The OP deserves our pity, not our flames. Its obvious that watching that terrible movie has damaged his thinking. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Setarcos Nous	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:14:00 - [74] The OP isn't the guy I saw thinking that "Necropolis" originated with Aquanox 2, is he? Oh, and spear-wielding squid battling acid spewing mushrooms...sounds like a violent ripoff of Alice in Wonderland
BoBoZoBo	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:14:00 - [75] As grat writer once said: "Good Poets borrow, GREAT poets Steal." All creative processes rely on those influences that came before them. There is nothing so wrong about taking a good thing and building upon that, adding your own style and adaptation. Ideas FEED off other ideas. Its too bad you have decided to be disalusioned, I do not see anything so wrong that CCP did. They are ane EXTREAMLY creative team, artisticaly, technically, and profesionally and building upon ideas is not such a bad thing (MOST of the time) ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Doctor Evil	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:18:00 - [76] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Great Job, CCP.... First off your an alt. 2nd Can I have your stuff im sure you quitting. Thanks Master Mind Doctor Evil Mess with DAMOB it will cost you!! 1 {pause} Billion Dollars to repair.
Drizit	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:32:00 - [77] Edited by: Drizit on 24/05/2006 20:36:36 Isaac Asimov invented the "Three Laws of Robotics" which I have heard repeated on countless occasions in even the latest movies. However, I have only once heard anyone refer to Isaac Asimov as the founder of those laws (which also happened to be in a movie make of one of his own novels - I Robot). Therefore the other movies are ripping him off by not giving him credit. The movie 'Alien' was a ripoff, 'Predator' was a ripoff 'Alien V Predator' was just a con. Even Superman is a ripoff since there were stories long before about flying superheros. Chances are that even your own house is a ripoff copy of the house down the road or across town. Space fantasy is nothing new and there are very few (if any) things that you can even think of that have never been thought of before. The 'Pod' is an old reference to an escape capsule that was originally slated for submarines, named as such because that's all they were, a POD big enough for 4 people and enough air to reach the surface and that's all. Originally called and Escape Capsule but later named Escape Pod and then shortened to just pod. --
Sever Aldaria	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:33:00 - [78] Lets not forget that all the pilots are human-like. How unorignal. And the fact that we're all speaking common earth languages? This has to go! We all must start speaking a new orignial language. We're still using lasers and artillary and blasters and smart bombs and missiles to get we want. No more weapons. In fact, from now on, no more PVP or PVE because those words and what they represent are all rip offs! Please people! EVE is doomed if we don't change this now! You want a more original game? Go play this
Breed Love	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:34:00 - [79] This thread is kinda boring, I didnt even read the replies... ------ Originally by: Gazon In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:40:00 - [80] Originally by: Sever Aldaria And the fact that we're all speaking common earth languages? They thought of this one actually. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Goonwave	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:42:00 - [81] omgbbqftwuralpwn!!!
Static Universe	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:43:00 - [82] Edited by: Static Universe on 24/05/2006 20:44:01 Originally by: The Knight I'm sorry, that just wouldn't be correct. You see, the Tin Man does not represent anything robotic at all. If I may, the Wizard of Oz, written by L. Frank Baum, is not just a children's story. Its a story wrapped in symbolism and representative of American politics in the late 1800's. The Tin Man, using your example represents the industrial worker in America during this time. Worn down and needing a heart because he is been hardened by the Industrial tycoons who have taken advantage of him. At one point in Baum's original book, the Tin Man was human, but the Wicked witch of the East cursed his axe causing it to chop off body parts. The only person to help this man was a tinsmith who replaced his missing parts with tin, until all of him was eventually replaced. So you see, the Tin Man in The Wizard of Oz is not indicative of robots at all. He represents the mistreatment of workers. Tin Man's no commie!!! Besides, robots date back at least to the Greek god of carebears Hephaestus, who built them to assist in his work.
Emarald Sween	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Mosara It was a sad day when I realized this. I was watching "Wing Commander" from 1999, don't ask me why I was watching it, but the similarities were too much for me. Phrases such as, "pods, jump drives and capital ships" along with other very familiar terms verified that Eve Online is nothing but a ripoff. I feel as though my soul has been torn out. I have no other way to describe it. The last time i felt this way was when I watched "Tora Tora Tora!" and figured out that the attack scene was ripped off by George Lucas himself for Star Wars. Geez...what a disspointment. I actually thought that CCP had created something original with Eve. Boy, was I wrong. Great Job, CCP.... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

kieron	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:46:00 - [84] Where's that 'beating a dead horse.gif' file I remember from UO? I think it would have a perfect application here. Time for a lock on this thread. I think the OP has gotten the point. Just, please, try to be a bit less harsh next time, mkay? kieron Community Manager, EVE Online


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