As I said earlier, there is no other adequate indicators that can show farming activity.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4561985#post4561985

I must be missing something to. Please, tell us, how to get this intel through different mechanics?

Is the thing you did NOT read this thread.

No, but we are a bit capable of pinpointing trolls.

Actually u missed the point why I'm against this fix. Idea came from slakers, so making them happy is not a way to make things work well. simply becose u can't make lazy people glad by fixing environment. Its the utopia way, loosers always find external reason of the fail. i.e we **** this bears not becouse we are good, but becouse they are bad.

Hm, you roam low-level WH from time to time, never doing anything we do. So I was wondering how people who never done something and have zero field experience found it even remotely possible to make estimates. Especially after real WH PVPers (and I don't mean only us, there were a lot of posts beside ours) explained in all details how it will change things.

I assume you still did not read this topic, and did not and killing your time flooding here. So there is no point to take into consideration anything from you from now on.

this is not true.the idea of this fix came from carebears. plz before arguing read threads carefully.

As I said, that was 1.2 Trillion on one of the blue books for *one* region. According to those same tweets, there should be about another 0.8 trillion of the other 3 books in the region as well. If you actually want to argue the point, perhaps you might fly to all the other regions of highsec and collect the numbers. I don't think 30T is very far off. Folks have gotten much, much better at running sites in the last 2 years.

Your claim about not increasing inflation is laughable. Clearly everyone in this thread agrees that removing the NPC data from the API decreases risk (or at least I haven't seen a single argument to the contrary), and it is also very clear that less risk will lead to more PVE.

you know what is demagogy, right? accourding to your "logic" idea came after desicion to remove it.

In a sense, true. Many of us farm people, instead of NPCs. With CCP's continuing improvements, they've increased by leaps and bounds the safety that the PvP-averse players have while in W-space. For example, we just rolled our C4 static, jumped in, and saw wrecks. By the time I had warped to their site, they had scattered like cockroaches because they saw the sig.

They didn't have to work for that information, they didn't have to train up any skills. They had instant, free intel that is 100% accurate, with no effort required. The one mechanic that has the highest chance of working to catch people doing PvE in W-space now is the logoffski, and that takes significant time and effort to set up. My corp doesn't use it, but others do. This change won't affect me or my corp, but it will affect others in W-space. CCP is now nerfing the data used to set up these traps, removing the last big danger for PvE fleets in W-space.

The PvP corps in this thread are flailing their arms in panic because of the progression CCP is making toward protecting the PvE activities in wormholes, where it is already easy to avoid PvE if you are smart. Previously, it would require preparation and vigilance to keep your PvE fleet safe. Now only the most braindead of people die to hostiles.

The hunters in W-space are backed into a corner as more and more of the methods and tools they use to hunt are being taken away, and more and more safety is being given to those who do not wish to engage in this game's primary, core reason for existence: ship-based PvP combat. It's natural to expect such behaviour when continually backed into a corner.

Those who wish to exist in W-space simply to farm NPCs for ISK are of course in agreement with CCP's course of action. Sadly, the largest voice on the CSM belongs to groups who only care about W-space as an ISK farm, since the "real" action happens in Nullsec.

CCP, yes, the arguments you are using are in fact justifying the removal of the data. However, before responding to cries from any of your friends who may have fallen prey to an efficient, properly-executed Russian Logoffski trap, consider how you have been harming the PvP gameplay in Wormhole space, space many of us have considered the best part of the game that you guys have ever made, and how you may have driven some groups to this tactic because of your recent changes to the game.

Please spend a little bit of time in your design groups talking with the WH CSM, past and present, and honestly try to understand how the game is played in that area of space. Please don't limit yourself to the WH CSMs, because while they may have some past knowledge of tactics used in C1-C4 W-space, their bread and butter has been C5-C6. Talk to some of the prominent C1-C4 WH corps as well. Come up with something that works in the game AND works for ALL of the groups involved, not just your largest CSM constituency.

Please remember that the core of this game is PvP, and that the balance of your game's ecnomy depends greatly on things exploding.