Maybe we don't want to just rely on npc kill stats and multiple capital alts to get all our w-space kills

You want consistent high isk kills in an area of the game where the mechanics are designed specifically to make it difficult to get consistent, high isk kills.

Why do you think your current procedures for operation are difficult, and getting more difficult as the game progresses?

I love these square peg in the round hole justifications...

This is beyond ******** on so many levels that it deserves to be QFP

You start from faulty premises and go on making a chain of wrong conclusions, and somehow still manage to land in an irrational statement that doesn't even have anything to do with what you said earlier.

You spent 10 hours to get a kill that otherwise probably wouldn't have happened. That's great.

That doesn't mean that it was 10 hours well spent, or that you couldn't have gotten some kills of equal or greater value in 5 hours elsewhere. It just means you spent 10 hours forcing a result out of unnecessarily difficult circumstances.

Great job, you put a lot of work into doing something not many other people would do. But the point still remains. The NPC kill data is not essential to what you do, it's just been the most accessible source of information that you have grown to rely on, and that source of information was not intended to exist. There are many other sources of information which function just as well, so maybe it's time you taught your scouts how to use them.

+ remove SBA's effects from capitals ;)

remove from your ally/corp f1 monkeys, t.i. all ally/corp members lol

your's problems began earlier

next bu/explosion "troll" please!

Yeah RudinV as you can see most people agree with this fix, and those who oppose haven't expressed any serious arguments for the preservation of the oversight.

Time to stop whining and start adapting (you can support the development of deployables that would serve the same purpose) and maybe discuss the real issues in wormhole space currently.

Crying like babies about API/logon trap gameplay makes you look blind to the real elephant in the room- lack of meaningful PVP in wormholes.

Go on and count the posts :)

I still have no idea who the **** you think you are and couldn't care less, this thread is not about you or anyone else.

u u u, you must all be 13.

I gotta say, the most amusing thing I find from this thread is that apparently QEX/BU are totally incapable of doing what they do without NPC API data. I thought you guys were meant to be good? Have you learnt nothing over the years you've been doing what you do to take a decent guess on whether a group is a farmer group or not?

And if you are the farmer type, the take out from this whole thread is that it seems you can make yourself immune to QEX/BU interference via obfuscating your NPC kill output to the API.

Please consider holding off on this change while you design and implement an in-game alternative like this

But this change has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the API data being used for things that CCP is uncomfortable with. They never envisioned it being used for near real time tracking in w space.

The idea (cause) came up because CCP want to remove it (consequence) for some reason they've not specified beyond they never wanted it in there in the first place.

the majority agrees so their opinion is right by default

this is not a real argument

please try again

On a more serious note. I support this change. CCP has a history of altering mechanics that is considered broken even if they are cause of emergent gameplay. From the very beginning. Emergent gameplay is not a valid argument for leaving broken mechanics broken. m0o and jump api in wh is but a few examples. Furthermore this will have very little impact on wh's as a whole. Spreadsheets will be made in overlords and things continue as always.

Another reason I support this change is because the api data make people lazy. You dont need dscan to check if a wh is active with this api data.

Furthermore. Everyone claiming the majority of wormhole players in wspace is in favour or disfavour of this change is just plain wrong. Majority of players dont care. They have this data already through 3rd party and really dont use it in the same way as i.e. BU. Majority of players dont care enough to make a forum post even. So for most people this wont matter much. BU/QEX will still find targets and people will still fear them.

And that, children, is how you will get w-space ganks when the pathetically easy free intel has been removed from the API - by actually being there and putting in the work.

I predict that Darwinian principles will eventually force lazy, whinging w-space gank-monkeys out of w-space, leaving it to the pros.

w-space will be better for it. We might even start to get some reasonable fights.

I think the fact that we all know where we all live will mean that there will be plenty of selfdestructs under the POSes fields.

I have no clue how you guys pick targets so I wont attempt to presume anything.

However I do know several who have big spreadsheets over every c6 and c5 system in game and listing activity level in these and how often they are active. What days are usually farmed etc. Then hunting these targets down and setting logoff trap is easy. Just find their entrance (which they often provide themself when hauling loot).

I am not offended. Perhaps you are right. Perhaps 3 years of living in w-space does not qualify me as living in w-space.

What prevents what I would call "reasonable fights" (by which I mean limited sized skirmishes where both sides are expecting to fight) is the hegemony enjoyed right now by merciless roll-and-gank fleets.

In w-space there is no batphone, no easy access to reinforcements. The largest force will, on the whole, win. The defenders are never the largest force and rarely even in pvp fit.

That's not a fight, it's an execution of innocents.

Removing the API NPC kills is neccesary since it is a mistake in the design, a flaw, and shouldn't be brough back unless very good reasons appear. At the same time, remove instant appearance of sites in the scanner window so that everyone relies solely on scanners. I think that would put the balance in a sweet spot, more fair for everyone.