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Major Lunartik 30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 0	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:46:00 - [1] - Quote CCP need to put a timer on cloaky campers, and once timer runs out, some sort of sovereignty device can decloak and even web and scram them so sov renters/owners can pop their unsporting ass. I thought of this as we have a cloaky in our system, and knowing how CCP pride themselves on how Eve has no real game rules, and 'Hot-droppers' will suffer if any other method was implemented, so a timer on some sort of modual/sov-modual with a set timer of say, 3hrs?, (allows hot-drops, makes it interesting), and after the timer is triggered, the offender cant log off let alone do anything else, so SOV owners/renters can blow up offender and pod for good measure. Take this a step further and put a modual on gates so once a camper has been 'busted' the gate wont allow them in or at least penalize the known camper by killing the cloaking device!. Currently there seems to be no cure for the cloaky campers, and pilots go play other games while being camped, CCP this does mean your subscribers may find a different game to enjoy and discontinue with Eveonline. Ditch the rules, create counter measures. o7 Bro, remember the time we.... no wait, I started to say something.....it will come to meh, -áI need a light.
Dave Stark 5344	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:46:00 - [2] - Quote no.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5427	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:47:00 - [3] - Quote Lock Probability: GûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê 100% FuryBotGäó 0.86 The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Ahost Gceo Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 70	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:48:00 - [4] - Quote Also, no. ???
Josef Djugashvilis Acme Mining Corporation 2339	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:49:00 - [5] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Lock Probability: GûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê 100% FuryBotGäó 0.86 And the sooner the better. This is not a signature.
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 491	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:51:00 - [6] - Quote sigh.. no. a way to detect a claoker would be nice, but not a device that locks and scrams, thats just lame. However, and anti cloak mod, or soemthing i would support, and or give the option to make local delayed, with the ability to add a communication array to make it not could be interesting. \\ But no to your idea.
Eternum Praetorian Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1091	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:55:00 - [7] - Quote * Creates macro to periodically warp between bookmarks after the anticloak patch goes into effect. This will allow me to be at work and still be trolling you at the same time \0/ The EVE Gateway Blog
Felicity Love Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1769	Posted - 2014.05.06 21:57:00 - [8] - Quote Major Lunartik wrote: CCP need to put a timer on cloaky campers, and once timer runs out, some sort of sovereignty device can decloak and even web and scram them so sov renters/owners can pop their unsporting ass. I thought of this as we have a cloaky in our system.... o7 .... not-so-stealthy "I'm a Nullbear and it's CCP's fault that I'm falling behind on my rent payments because cloakies might blow my ass out of space" thread detected... "HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5427	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:01:00 - [9] - Quote Felicity Love wrote: Major Lunartik wrote: CCP need to put a timer on cloaky campers, and once timer runs out, some sort of sovereignty device can decloak and even web and scram them so sov renters/owners can pop their unsporting ass. I thought of this as we have a cloaky in our system.... o7 .... not-so-stealthy "I'm a Nullbear and it's CCP's fault that I'm falling behind on my rent payments because cloakies might blow my ass out of space" thread detected... Or: "I'm a Nullbear and rent from a slum lord who won't maintain their property, and I didn't read the lease.. When I complained they told me to post here. CCP fix NAOW!!!!!!!" The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Alyth Nerun Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE. 243	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:08:00 - [10] - Quote no

epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 747	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:09:00 - [11] - Quote Not a disease, so does not need a cure. again. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Prekaz Ministry of War Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:11:00 - [12] - Quote AFK cloaking is the cure.
Tollen Gallen Glory of Reprisal Enterprise 7772	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:15:00 - [13] - Quote I like Soup. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
Icarus Able Revenant Tactical 385	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:16:00 - [14] - Quote Carebears wont quit with this ****.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1460	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:26:00 - [15] - Quote Sigh** Yet again no; and OP your name seems very appropriate to this thread. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Rowells Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans 552	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:44:00 - [16] - Quote Search: cloaky camper Read: forum rules Understand: redundant topics will be locked Save: pride
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 1753	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:48:00 - [17] - Quote Nope. IBTL.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 5836	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:54:00 - [18] - Quote Wrong forum. Reposting old topics. And you're also wrong. You have the hat trick. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Chase Hakoke Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 19	Posted - 2014.05.06 22:59:00 - [19] - Quote I think they should get rid of local member info in k-space just like in wormholes so you wont have to worry. This would effectively solve the cloaking camping problem.
Solecist Project's Alt Wildly Inept Pacifists 71	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:01:00 - [20] - Quote sips peppermint tea

Nadezda Morozovovna X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 16	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:04:00 - [21] - Quote As professional carebear, i dont like cloaky camping at all And i would, ofc, welcome any thing that would reduce it, like "Press that button once per hour or you will be decloaked yay" On the other hand, wouldnt be much more simple to just create covops version of cyno jammer and make it uber expensive? But ye, another thread like this... There is a lot of topics like this But this one is yours Than makes it speshul
Owen Levanth Federated Deep Space Explorations 138	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:12:00 - [22] - Quote Cute, the OP is like a really stupid summary of everything cloaking-related on this forum. I'll give you a solid 7/10 on the comedy front. On the cloaking front, I suggest giving every ship cloaking-ability. Actual cloaks then could give the ship the additional ability to warp cloaked: Protoype cloaks half your warp-speed, improved cloaks only reduce warp-speed by 10%. Oh and cov-ops cloaks allow your ship to lock and shoot while cloaked, of course. There is no other way.
KaarBaak 279	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:20:00 - [23] - Quote Also no (again.) And put me down for "No" the next six times this topic comes up (should get me to mid-year.) TIA KB
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 714	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:21:00 - [24] - Quote ... and here I was expecting this ... http://vintagevwcars.com/gallery/d/84-2/MattsBusCamo.jpg
Proletariat Tingtango GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1010	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:24:00 - [25] - Quote The cure to cloaky campers is to not be so utterly controlled by risk aversion that he stops you from doing anything.
Major Lunartik 30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:34:00 - [26] - Quote NO surprise there, cloaky campers not wanting a 'counter measure'. Bro, remember the time we.... no wait, I started to say something.....it will come to meh, -áI need a light.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 13259	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:34:00 - [27] - Quote Another renter added to the AFK Cloak / AFK Noob list. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Dominus Tempus Forced Euthanasia 25	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:42:00 - [28] - Quote So, can you post the killmail?
NEONOVUS Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us 839	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:43:00 - [29] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Another renter added to the AFK Cloak / AFK Noob list. When does that thing hit the end of a float value? Next week?
Solecist Project's Alt Wildly Inept Pacifists 73	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:48:00 - [30] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Another renter added to the AFK Cloak / AFK Noob list. When does that thing hit the end of a float value? Next week? Float? qword!

Belt Scout Forum alts make you mad 378	Posted - 2014.05.06 23:57:00 - [31] - Quote Whoa! It's this thread topic again. I can't believe its already been a whole day since the last time it was brought up. EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now.
Belt Scout Forum alts make you mad 378	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:00:00 - [32] - Quote Eternum Praetorian wrote: * Creates macro to periodically warp between bookmarks after the anticloak patch goes into effect. This will allow me to be at work and still be trolling you at the same time \0/ *at the same time, also creates contract and hands all his stuff over to belt scout before getting banned for using a macro. EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now.
Alexa Coates Federation Navy Assembly Group LLC 711	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:01:00 - [33] - Quote the fix is to shut the **** up and stop crying about a non-existant problem 'ooooh noooo someone is doing nothing in my system' That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 960	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:05:00 - [34] - Quote Major Lunartik wrote: CCP need to put a timer on cloaky campers, and once timer runs out, some sort of sovereignty device can decloak and even web and scram them so sov renters/owners can pop their unsporting ass. I thought of this as we have a cloaky in our system, and knowing how CCP pride themselves on how Eve has no real game rules, and 'Hot-droppers' will suffer if any other method was implemented, so a timer on some sort of modual/sov-modual with a set timer of say, 3hrs?, (allows hot-drops, makes it interesting), and after the timer is triggered, the offender cant log off let alone do anything else, so SOV owners/renters can blow up offender and pod for good measure. Take this a step further and put a modual on gates so once a camper has been 'busted' the gate wont allow them in or at least penalize the known camper by killing the cloaking device!. Currently there seems to be no cure for the cloaky campers, and pilots go play other games while being camped, CCP this does mean your subscribers may find a different game to enjoy and discontinue with Eveonline. Ditch the rules, create counter measures. o7 Make an upfront agreement with your neighbour to use their anoms (be polite don't move a carrier into someone elses system to rat with) when you have a camper and that will either reveal the camper to actually be afk, or let you trap it coming through the gate if its not. Even if you don't kill it, forcing it to gate, forces it to reveal its hull type.
Felicity Love Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1769	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:07:00 - [35] - Quote Major Lunartik wrote: NO surprise there, cloaky campers not wanting a 'counter measure'. Plenty of counter measures... they just require effort... and a bit of imagination. Welcome to EVE. "HTFU ! " -á--- -áKatee Sackhoff, aka "The F-Bomb Queen of EVE" ! !-á
Decaneos Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:15:00 - [36] - Quote I have to say i do find that having the ability to stay cloaked indefinitely while you go play on another char just to be annoying is well lame, saying that it is a valid play style if somewhat boring. To stay in a system in space for however long you want and no one will ever find you seems to me be a problem, you call people nullbears for wanting combat which seems a bit odd, afk cloakys do everything they can to avoid combat, its there job, sit there afk and try to look big and bad. Should there be a way to stop this, well personally yes i think there should. i had thought of maybe a mod that would ping the area and highlight the spot there in while not actually reviling there exact location, but after a while i realized this wouldn't work as if there are in a deep safe how do you warp to them. So my thoughts come to this, your probes have a limited life span out side, maybe your cloak should take heat damage over a period of time, make it small so that the heat damage taken by the cloak for say a normal t1 would give it a hour of permanent running. T2 and faction could last longer ofc. so if you afk for to long your cloak will break and you will become visible to scans. the numbers ofc can all be changed. but i do believe a solution to this craze that's afk cloaking needs to be addressed, sry to all those guys that constantly sit in our systems for hours on end doing nothing but hiding but hey we do want a chance at killing you :) and no this isn't a alt.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 13262	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:17:00 - [37] - Quote Felicity Love wrote: Major Lunartik wrote: NO surprise there, cloaky campers not wanting a 'counter measure'. Plenty of counter measures... they just require effort... and a bit of imagination. Welcome to EVE. Ah.. but therein lies the problem.... ::effort:: . Imagination isn't the issue.. AFK Camping only works due to overactive imaginations. Do not try to nerf the camper, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth: There is no threat ; and you will see that it is not the reds that keep you docked.. but only yourself. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 960	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:19:00 - [38] - Quote Decaneos wrote: I have to say i do find that having the ability to stay cloaked indefinitely while you go play on another char just to be annoying is well lame, saying that it is a valid play style if somewhat boring. ahhh local is extremely powerful, particularly in null and cloaked campers are a counter to that.
Ahost Gceo Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:19:00 - [39] - Quote Major Lunartik wrote: NO surprise there, cloaky campers not wanting a 'counter measure'. Because what does someone who is cloaked do to you? Nothing. You can go on with your piddly existance as a renter. Until he decloaks and points you for being complacent of course. But then if you weren't a lazy and vulnerable pilot, you would have a trap set. Sounds like you just need to bend the way you play the game instead of bending the game to suit you and friggin' deal with it. ???
Luna Prey Moon-Ninja 3	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:30:00 - [40] - Quote Major Lunartik wrote: CCP need to put a timer on cloaky campers, and once timer runs out, some sort of sovereignty device can decloak and even web and scram them so sov renters/owners can pop their unsporting ass. I thought of this as we have a cloaky in our system, and knowing how CCP pride themselves on how Eve has no real game rules, and 'Hot-droppers' will suffer if any other method was implemented, so a timer on some sort of modual/sov-modual with a set timer of say, 3hrs?, (allows hot-drops, makes it interesting), and after the timer is triggered, the offender cant log off let alone do anything else, so SOV owners/renters can blow up offender and pod for good measure. Take this a step further and put a modual on gates so once a camper has been 'busted' the gate wont allow them in or at least penalize the known camper by killing the cloaking device!. Currently there seems to be no cure for the cloaky campers, and pilots go play other games while being camped, CCP this does mean your subscribers may find a different game to enjoy and discontinue with Eveonline. Ditch the rules, create counter measures. o7 Hi, I'm a website programmer, and owner of the website http://sociopath-community.com. I spend a lot of time working at my computern+îand I don't really enjoy the elitist leadership in most corporations. I, instead, choose to spec toward curse and pilgrim, and harass large corporations with my cloaky. This is the only way I have of getting back at the big corperations and making them suffer. Please dont take it from me!

Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1460	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:34:00 - [41] - Quote Major Lunartik wrote: NO surprise there, cloaky campers not wanting a 'counter measure'. A counter measure to what? If something can't hurt you, it doesn't need a counter. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Major Lunartik 30plus Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 1	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:49:00 - [42] - Quote Luna Prey wrote: Major Lunartik wrote: CCP need to put a timer on cloaky campers, and once timer runs out, some sort of sovereignty device can decloak and even web and scram them so sov renters/owners can pop their unsporting ass. I thought of this as we have a cloaky in our system, and knowing how CCP pride themselves on how Eve has no real game rules, and 'Hot-droppers' will suffer if any other method was implemented, so a timer on some sort of modual/sov-modual with a set timer of say, 3hrs?, (allows hot-drops, makes it interesting), and after the timer is triggered, the offender cant log off let alone do anything else, so SOV owners/renters can blow up offender and pod for good measure. Take this a step further and put a modual on gates so once a camper has been 'busted' the gate wont allow them in or at least penalize the known camper by killing the cloaking device!. Currently there seems to be no cure for the cloaky campers, and pilots go play other games while being camped, CCP this does mean your subscribers may find a different game to enjoy and discontinue with Eveonline. Ditch the rules, create counter measures. o7 Hi, I'm a website programmer, and owner of the website http://sociopath-community.com. I spend a lot of time working at my computern+îand I don't really enjoy the elitist leadership in most corporations. I, instead, choose to spec toward curse and pilgrim, and harass large corporations with my cloaky. This is the only way I have of getting back at the big corperations and making them suffer. Please dont take it from me! Not 'taking' anything away, merely suggesting to add to the game! Bro, remember the time we.... no wait, I started to say something.....it will come to meh, -áI need a light.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5435	Posted - 2014.05.07 00:57:00 - [43] - Quote Major Lunartik wrote: Not 'taking' anything away, merely suggesting to add to the game! What did your landlord say when you complained to them about this? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
MonkeyMagic Thiesant Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking 67	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:01:00 - [44] - Quote tldr: I paid for this space, it should be totally safe like highsec.
Lugia3 Emerald Inc. Easily Excited 941	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:09:00 - [45] - Quote "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Tar'z Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:42:00 - [46] - Quote It's a stupid idea. The responses in the thread are even worse. Pretty much sums up why very few people come on here to discuss their ideas. EVE-O, our favorite cesspool.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 13265	Posted - 2014.05.07 01:58:00 - [47] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Major Lunartik wrote: NO surprise there, cloaky campers not wanting a 'counter measure'. A counter measure to what? If something can't hurt you, it doesn't need a counter. How does one counter his own imagination? *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Alduin666 Shikkoken Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore 642	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:24:00 - [48] - Quote Something really rubs me the wrong way that now 'sov renters' is a commonly used term and we don't **** on renters speaking on the forums without the permission of their overlords like we used too. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Voyager Arran GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 117	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:34:00 - [49] - Quote Making threads on the forums about getting cloaky camped is a great way ensure it continues. If you're actually getting dropped on by expensive ****, though, be sure to contact someone about counter-drops.
Proletariat Tingtango GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1013	Posted - 2014.05.07 02:36:00 - [50] - Quote Major Lunartik wrote: NO surprise there, cloaky campers not wanting a 'counter measure'. I spend quite a bit of time ratting in 0.0 and to date i have never parked myself in a hostile system and gone AFK. I also rat in systems where there is usually at least one or two turd burglars doing this to us. Sometimes I get ganked, boo hoo. I reship, wait a while, and start again. I'm sorry you can't handle risk in nullsec but that's just how it goes. Deal with it.

Trisha Landers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:18:00 - [51] - Quote Instead of stopping people from sitting in a system cloaked, would it be beneficial to change how cloaked characters are displayed in local chat? A person jumps into system, goes to a safe, and cloaks. If at least 30 minutes (or however long) have passed since activating their cloak module and they haven't entered warp during that time then they disappear from local. (So it would also be 30 minutes since their last warp) At any time if they drop cloak, enter warp, or speak in local chat then they appear in local again. Moving around on the same grid while cloaked would not make them appear and would not affect them disappearing from local. Cloaking in a system is still possible, but you can get an idea if someone becomes active again if they start warping around. Might not have enough time to do much about it if it's a fast warping ship though, but at least there will be a little extra warning before a cyno is suddenly lit on top of you. A cloaked person that is not visible in local could still be tracked down by agents and would still show online/offline status in contacts. I have no idea how possible this is from a development standpoint though or how unbalanced this might be. Or if it even really solves anything. But I'd still be interested in thoughts from other people.
Shurgin Ambraelle The Flying Dead Bloodline. 5	Posted - 2014.05.07 03:54:00 - [52] - Quote All very good points (no pun) so here is my take. What about a sonar ping like technology on a prober. You have to have mad skills for it and it can only be used once in a certain like (ie doomsday, ECM burst) and when you ping them it renders their cloak O.O.S. for a certain duration and/or damaged that can be repaired by Nanopaste. Then you probe out the cloaker and if he/she is afk... pop. It prevents the cloaky camper from just sitting around. Or make the module to ping them come from a POS. Just an idea. Anchoring 5 and Scanning 5 needed? Go ahead let me have it. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
Loki Lokium Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:06:00 - [53] - Quote While I don't support the OP's idea, I do think some limitation on the cloaking device is needed, such as a Fuel or a Overheat timer would make it a little harder on the cloakers to stay cloaked indefinitely, while still allowing them to actually do their little camping effort. Fuel: A gas or isotope or similar used as fuel to maintain the modules availability. Overheat timer: after say 2 hours use the module must shut down to cool down before becoming available again. I have read most of the original threads on this topic, and all I have seen is cloakers crying about it because they might loose their one advantage in game. I would say that a limitation on the device is needed, but within reason, The device does still have its uses.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 716	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:07:00 - [54] - Quote Shurgin Ambraelle wrote: All very good points (no pun) so here is my take. What about a sonar ping like technology on a prober. You have to have mad skills for it and it can only be used once in a certain like (ie doomsday, ECM burst) and when you ping them it renders their cloak O.O.S. for a certain duration and/or damaged that can be repaired by Nanopaste. Then you probe out the cloaker and if he/she is afk... pop. It prevents the cloaky camper from just sitting around. Or make the module to ping them come from a POS. Just an idea. Anchoring 5 and Scanning 5 needed? Go ahead let me have it. Just switching it off would b eenough. However seeming as the only argument against AFK cloaking is it makes renters nervous ... I see no real reason to change it at all.
Django Askulf Black Rebel Death Squad 47	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:10:00 - [55] - Quote Can we all go cloaky in Branch together? HTFU.

ISD Flidais Asagiri ISD Community Communications Liaisons 124	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:13:00 - [56] - Quote Greetings Thread is being locked as this horse is dead. By this I mean to say that this topic in every form has been hashed over by the best and the worst of us. Also in the future please be sure to post ideas about how to improve the game and discussion of mechanics or modules in the Features and Ideas (F&I) forums. Where this post will also be moved to. The Rule that covers this is: 16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked. As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. Remember, post well, post original, and post often my friends. On On ISD Flidais Asagiri Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

NEONOVUS Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us 839	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:15:00 - [57] - Quote In after lock Wait how did this work?
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4868	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:16:00 - [58] - Quote Arg you beat me to it! Heck. In AFTER the lock. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Loki Lokium Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:26:00 - [59] - Quote How about we get an actual discussion going on the merits for and against limitations of the Cloaking device instead of abuse and spam? or is that too hard for some?
Nakami Saans Perkone Caldari State 35	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:33:00 - [60] - Quote This topic is so redundant the lock broke... Rainbow Worrior of EVE...well...maybe worrior is too strong a word.-á I like to site see ^.^ Would like to make connections with other LGBT players, possibly a corp

Bohneik Itohn Periphery Bound 69	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:34:00 - [61] - Quote Guys, there is already a perfect counter to the AFK Cloaker problem.... Just put another AFK Cloaker in the same system, and they cancel each other out.... It's like... Positive and negative electrons.... Or something....
NEONOVUS Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us 839	Posted - 2014.05.07 04:36:00 - [62] - Quote Loki Lokium wrote: How about we get an actual discussion going on the merits for and against limitations of the Cloaking device instead of abuse and spam? or is that too hard for some? The topic spooked the ISD into docking up and not locking the thread But really what is there to discuss? Either we add a cloaking control or we dont and the current issue is that we have no good arguments either way Thus there is no reason to change Bohneik Itohn wrote: Guys, there is already a perfect counter to the AFK Cloaker problem.... Just put another AFK Cloaker in the same system, and they cancel each other out.... It's like... Positive and negative electrons.... Or something.... You realize your statement means a release of hard gamma and neutrinos right? As in a rather nice explosion in most environs
Bohneik Itohn Periphery Bound 71	Posted - 2014.05.07 05:13:00 - [63] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: You realize your statement means a release of hard gamma and neutrinos right? As in a rather nice explosion in most environs But first you've got to get them to come into contact with each other. Being two forces that are mutually repellant they would, under normal circumstances, just drift aimlessly through space at a safe distance from each other, leading to a perpetual status quo until outside forces intervene, such as: A: something that attracts one AFK Cloaker pulls it within a dangerous proximity of the other AFK Cloaker. B: Something with an even stronger repelling force pushes one AFK cloaker within dangerous proximity of the other AFK Cloaker. C: Some other scenario, I don't care this thread is supposed to be locked.
Gigan Amilupar No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad 236	Posted - 2014.05.07 05:23:00 - [64] - Quote Just today I was thinking to myself "Huh, haven't had an AFK cloak thread in awhile". Funny how that works. So anyways OP, this.
Sibyyl 738	Posted - 2014.05.07 05:36:00 - [65] - Quote Trisha Landers wrote: Instead of stopping people from sitting in a system cloaked, would it be beneficial to change how cloaked characters are displayed in local? And here's the wonderful flip side of this inane discussion. No, you as the cloaked ship get to bear the risk of being in Local. Now deal with the consequences of being in a system just like everyone else has to. If you prefer being invisible in Local then it comes with the risk that everybody else has that advantage too (wormholes). Edit: Anyone who feels like complaining about afk cloaking go read the linked post below. It is the best post on this forum about what tools you are given in EVE to deal with it. It hasn't been stressed enough: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3750695#post3750695 Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI
Samillian Angry Mustellid 503	Posted - 2014.05.07 08:04:00 - [66] - Quote Not supported. You wanted to live and get rich in Null did you expect it to be a risk free venture? NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Debora Tsung The Investment Bankers Guild 1004	Posted - 2014.05.07 08:52:00 - [67] - Quote Read my signature and be enlightened. Stupidity should be a bannable offense. Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance.
Cardano Firesnake Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation 139	Posted - 2014.05.07 09:17:00 - [68] - Quote If AFK cloaky cannot hurt you, it is true that you do not know if they are AFK. If you are cautious you will have to move away. It is the only effective counter measure against a cloaker. AFK or not... Well If the AFK cloakers are 5 and camp nearly all the constellation it is not very funny. There was a time when I wanted CCP do something for that. But well i am a Goon I have plenty of systems to farm.... This is our counter measure .
Arronicus Ravens' Nest Outlaw Horizon. 946	Posted - 2014.05.07 10:33:00 - [69] - Quote 'that decloaks cloakers after some long period' - Sure. I think we'd be happy even with something that turns them into a cosmic signature, that you could probe down, and warp to, to decloak them. 'that warp scrambles, webs, and prevents them from logging off' -GTFO.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 207	Posted - 2014.05.07 10:52:00 - [70] - Quote If you aren't prepared (eager, even!) to deal with anything that you can reasonably expect to pop out of that covert cyno (that may or may not go up, btw), you should go back to highsec. To be clear, 'deal with' = fight or evade or lose a relatively inexpensive ship. You know, EVE basics.

Kate Blaze True Power Capsuleers 17	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:07:00 - [71] - Quote I thought people go to null to be cool, to stop being carebears. OP proves me wrong.
Kenrailae Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 294	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:12:00 - [72] - Quote Obligatory 'use the Search tool' And No. The Law is a point of View
Shurgin Ambraelle The Flying Dead Bloodline. 5	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:22:00 - [73] - Quote Loki Lokium wrote: How about we get an actual discussion going on the merits for and against limitations of the Cloaking device instead of abuse and spam? or is that too hard for some? Hey I tried to bring in a nice idea but stupidity hot dropped me. Sorry mate they went into seige on this one. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
Shurgin Ambraelle The Flying Dead Bloodline. 5	Posted - 2014.05.07 11:25:00 - [74] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Shurgin Ambraelle wrote: All very good points (no pun) so here is my take. What about a sonar ping like technology on a prober. You have to have mad skills for it and it can only be used once in a certain like (ie doomsday, ECM burst) and when you ping them it renders their cloak O.O.S. for a certain duration and/or damaged that can be repaired by Nanopaste. Then you probe out the cloaker and if he/she is afk... pop. It prevents the cloaky camper from just sitting around. Or make the module to ping them come from a POS. Just an idea. Anchoring 5 and Scanning 5 needed? Go ahead let me have it. Just switching it off would b eenough. However seeming as the only argument against AFK cloaking is it makes renters nervous ... I see no real reason to change it at all. I agree switching it off is probably enough. Make the module on a POS that has to be anchored. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 1012	Posted - 2014.05.07 12:51:00 - [75] - Quote Major Lunartik wrote: CCP need to put a timer on cloaky campers, and once timer runs out, some sort of sovereignty device can decloak and even web and scram them so sov renters/owners can pop their unsporting ass. I thought of this as we have a cloaky in our system, and knowing how CCP pride themselves on how Eve has no real game rules, and 'Hot-droppers' will suffer if any other method was implemented, so a timer on some sort of modual/sov-modual with a set timer of say, 3hrs?, (allows hot-drops, makes it interesting), and after the timer is triggered, the offender cant log off let alone do anything else, so SOV owners/renters can blow up offender and pod for good measure. Take this a step further and put a modual on gates so once a camper has been 'busted' the gate wont allow them in or at least penalize the known camper by killing the cloaking device!. Currently there seems to be no cure for the cloaky campers, and pilots go play other games while being camped, CCP this does mean your subscribers may find a different game to enjoy and discontinue with Eveonline. Ditch the rules, create counter measures. o7 I sometimes cloaky camp the sov holders in geminate and they respond by staying docked, logging out or moving elsewhere. Recently one of the had the brainwave of cloaky camping our npc null system. We responded by ignoring him completely and running sigs, PI, anoms etc entirely as normal. The moral here is that it isn't an afk player that is the problem but the reaction from people that want the rewards of null with non of the risks. The CCP in house band wrote a song just for you personally OP. HTFU. Much love. PS do you rent in vale of the silent by any chance? If so which system is this devious man who can stop you playing while he is asleep/ at work etc? Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
suid0 Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 128	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:26:00 - [76] - Quote I heard that if you biomass the cloaky camper problem instantly goes away the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones -á--áCommander Ted
admiral root Red Galaxy Disband. 1174	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:56:00 - [77] - Quote No. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Batelle Tymast Industries 150th 2584	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:09:00 - [78] - Quote My standard response: Cloaking is fine. Nerf Cynos. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!" Never forget.
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 374	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:12:00 - [79] - Quote I decided that because of this thread I am going to camp one more of your systems. Stop being such sissies and come out to fight if you want us to stop camping you. EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Kelaian Stareine The Sacred Order of the Space Weasels The Predictables 0	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:14:00 - [80] - Quote You know, I like the work pasta is doing down in Delve. After I saw this thread I think I might want to join in.

Bohneik Itohn Periphery Bound 81	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:18:00 - [81] - Quote Kelaian Stareine wrote: You know, I like the work pasta is doing down in Delve. After I saw this thread I think I might want to join in. You know what's even more fun? Being 100% honest about the fact that you are cloaked and AFK, and watching them still act like you're going to eat their babies.
Walter Stine Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 165	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:21:00 - [82] - Quote How much is the OP paying in rent for a camped system? I'm sure Brothers of Tangra can beat that price.
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 374	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:22:00 - [83] - Quote Bohneik Itohn wrote: Kelaian Stareine wrote: You know, I like the work pasta is doing down in Delve. After I saw this thread I think I might want to join in. You know what's even more fun? Being 100% honest about the fact that you are cloaked and AFK, and watching them still act like you're going to eat their babies. But we are going to eat them EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
Kelaian Stareine The Sacred Order of the Space Weasels The Predictables 0	Posted - 2014.05.07 15:27:00 - [84] - Quote Cloaky camping is doing (pro)gods work. Maybe if I wasn't so busy I would start going downtime to downtime again. Ive been cloaky camped and I've cloaky camped others, and you have to get over it. If I could get over a 1 month long zero fun allowed camp so can you.
Leoric Firesword Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc. 19	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:06:00 - [85] - Quote don't like cloaky campers? move to highsec :)
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 1455	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:32:00 - [86] - Quote Posting in a magic thread that has countered ISD locks. @OP: No. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Bohneik Itohn Periphery Bound 81	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:44:00 - [87] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: Posting in a magic thread that has countered ISD locks. @OP: No. He was countered with ECM Rainbows of Pure Love That and we AFK Cloaky camped his login page so that he can't sign in to fix the mistake. He's just watching silently from the safety of the anonymous side of the internet, gnashing his teeth at the unfairness of it all and hiding his remaining uneaten babies.
El Space Mariachi Love Squad Pasta Syndicate 85	Posted - 2014.05.07 16:51:00 - [88] - Quote glad that this feature working as intended Kelaian Stareine wrote: You know, I like the work pasta is doing down in Delve. After I saw this thread I think I might want to join in. join pizzahouse ingame .

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3035	Posted - 2014.05.08 00:00:00 - [89] - Quote Huh, guess the padlock broke. Let me fix that right up. Thread closed for earlier stated reasons. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department



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