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HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:30:00 - [1] Isn't it time for another setup page? Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. So how have people spent these Extra goodies and what opinions are people having on others approaches? I'll get the ball rolling with the obvious setup - as i haven't had much of a chance to get down and dirty with my deimos: PvP setup: HI 5x Heavy Ion II's MID: 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Web 1x Scrambler Low: 1x MAR II 1x EMP (active) Hardner 1x Explosive (active) Hardner 1x cpr 2x Magnetic Stablizers /me goes to find a zealot pilot. Carrier & Fighter Sales
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:34:00 - [2] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Isn't it time for another setup page? Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. So how have people spent these Extra goodies and what opinions are people having on others approaches? I'll get the ball rolling with the obvious setup - as i haven't had much of a chance to get down and dirty with my deimos: PvP setup: HI 5x Heavy Ion II's MID: 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Web 1x Scrambler Low: 1x MAR II 1x EMP (active) Hardner 1x Explosive (active) Hardner 1x cpr 2x Magnetic Stablizers /me goes to find a zealot pilot. deimos still sux (btw you could actually fit this before the changes) and a zealot pilot would eat this deimos alive
DeathWarrior	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:38:00 - [3] Post in this thread maybe and include your talking about new changes? Originally by: Tuxford I once tried to kick my brother when I had my pants around my ankle. Probably not my brightest moments.
Bazman	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:39:00 - [4] I like having breathing room on it now, but the Deimos suffers from PG issues, just read Dash's thread :P My deimos is parked somewhere in empire, but as I recall from Sisi, I had like 40 extra CPU now, yummy ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:43:00 - [5] Meh... I'm not complaining about the blaster changes but I don't think I ever had CPU issues with my Deimos, just with powergrid. The grid changes to heavy neutrons have done nothing for the Deimos (only for the battlecruisers), and what you could fit on your Deimos before the patch has not changed a lot, if at all, despite the changes. Reduced cap usage, now that, of course, is always nice, but it seems to me the other changes aren't helping the Deimos at all...? --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:52:00 - [6] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. how so? -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:59:00 - [7] yep up PG of deimos! -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. how so? there isn't any more dmg.... deimos needs more PG and more speed/agility, not more CPU. It already has more CPU then an ishtar which is an e-war boat (tho it is hard to fit yeah but hey deimos isn't hard to fit cpu wise)
Luc Boye	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:06:00 - [9] buy your deimos today! pre-packaged and pre-nerfed ftw!
El Yatta	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. how so? there isn't any more dmg.... deimos needs more PG and more speed/agility, not more CPU. It already has more CPU then an ishtar which is an e-war boat (tho it is hard to fit yeah but hey deimos isn't hard to fit cpu wise) Well, yes and no. Deimos doesnt run into CPU issues purely because you run into grid issues first - but to ever contemplate neutrons,or ions and a proper tank, if we ever get our PG boost, we would have found that we needed yesterday's CPU boost - I ran the numbers a while back, and the extra 40 CPU will come in handy to actually fit ANY neutron fit, when we eventually get +200 PG (Please?). ---:::---
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:52:00 - [11] does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
Arbenowskee	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:04:00 - [12] deimos will get 200 pg when eagle gets 5th gun slot :P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sig too large. Maximum size 400x120 and 24000 bytes. -Oiri Yusko
Obsidian Tiger	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? Tell me about it when you get one pls. The ship definetly needs some PG and speed, there is absolutely no reason to prefer a deimos over a zealot or a vagabond. What is even worse is that eagle is a better blasterboat. Maybe deimos should get a MWD speed bonus and I wouldnt mind the other short range hacs getting a MWD penalty reduction either. Ah, whatever, just hope Tuxford knows about the issues.
slothe	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:15:00 - [14] although i dont like using rcus.... 5 ion t2 (null) diminishing med nos named mwd true sansha / dark blood scrambler (10km) e5 prototype web true sansha med armour rep 400mm tungsten plate corpum explosive passive hardner (gives up to 55% passive) dark blood / true sansha energised adaptive nano (24% or thereabouts to all) true sansha / dark blood cpr (25%) t2 rcu yeah its expensive but it kicks ass :)
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:17:00 - [15] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 24/05/2006 19:17:34 Tbh, that setup fitted before the change, if that's still the best one can fit after it then we've progressed the shiny total of zero wit the cpu change. And tbh, the deimos didnt have cap issues in my experience. So, kinda uless changes that. It needs to have more speed and agility, something like halfway to the vagabond or something. Old blog
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:31:00 - [16] Edited by: LUKEC on 24/05/2006 19:33:49 Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 24/05/2006 19:19:50 although i dont like using rcus.... 5 ion t2 (null) diminishing med nos named mwd true sansha / dark blood scrambler (10km) e5 prototype web true sansha med armour rep 400mm tungsten plate corpum explosive passive hardner (gives up to 55% passive) dark blood / true sansha energised adaptive nano (24% or thereabouts to all) true sansha / dark blood cpr (25%) t2 rcu minimum resist (expl) is 68% going up to 80% em. yeah its expensive but it kicks ass :) n.b. this wouldnt fit before the changes. i now can fit a medium nos as oppossed to a small. can tinker and i guess could fit bigger guns / plate with small nos. You know what is sad about this setup: 1. ishtar with 2x wcs fitted will chew you for breakfast... rest t1-t2 stuff 2. f-aga with 2x wcs will chew you, guy doesn't even have to bother with staying out of range, he just loads hail and waits 3. any bs with 2x heavy nosf + t2 MED drones will pop you, oh wait, even if he has 1x med neut, you will die. 4. zealot, suckri, beagle, cerb will wtfpwn you. so what exactly is the benefit of it over thorax? Oh you can kill artymunin with it, but that you can do in rax too. Oh, and don't get me wrong here, there is nothing wrong with setup of your. You invested lot in it, but problem is that the ship and the entire concept sucks. Die, die, die.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:33:00 - [17] Pfft my arty muninn got 2 multispec and 20km. Eat **** deimos Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, also taken out a few deimos with a thorax deimos sucks -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Soros	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:39:00 - [19] Originally by: KilROCK Pfft my arty muninn got 2 multispec and 20km. Eat **** deimos You are amazing but ... could you kill the deimos before they just mwd'd away and warped ? Put your words where your guns are and try it out on test
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, also taken out a few deimos with a thorax deimos sucks Ok so boost the munin then ,if you killed a munnin with a thorax it needs boosting
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, also taken out a few deimos with a thorax deimos sucks before or after the rax got a drone bay nerf? Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Soros Originally by: KilROCK Pfft my arty muninn got 2 multispec and 20km. Eat **** deimos You are amazing but ... could you kill the deimos before they just mwd'd away and warped ? Put your words where your guns are and try it out on test I don't play Counter-strike EVE. Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:46:00 - [23] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Isn't it time for another setup page? Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. So how have people spent these Extra goodies and what opinions are people having on others approaches? Uh, replace the EMP active hardeners for an energized adaptive and thats almost exactly what I was running before patch when pvping with my deimos. Though I've been using my Astarte instead lately - if you're going to fly an incredibly slow short range ship, you might as well take the extra DPS. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, also taken out a few deimos with a thorax deimos sucks before or after the rax got a drone bay nerf? after, was only a few weeks back but it was specificly designed to kill hacs, said he laged out and couldnt turn on his kin hardener on, but the fight wasnt close, pretty much pawned him! [and i assume he blamed lag just cos of the hac vs crusier thing] people are rly suprised by the dmg output of a thorax if kitted well, one ship that gal have that is ***** nice is the thorax!!!!!!!!!! just to note, it was a t2 kitted thorax, everything on it! with t2 ammo, and the dude started shoting at 12km and came in clsoer so most fight was perhaps 4km off! and 5x t2 med exp drones. + dmg implants btw its just a rly good thorax setup, killed 2 deimos and 1 muninn with it past month solo :P but dont thret sarm only a few pilots in eve can fly a rax like i can -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent ***s
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Gronsak we seriously need to have a fight on the test server one of these days. your rax vs my muninn, your mega vs my tempest :) Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak we seriously need to have a fight on the test server one of these days. your rax vs my muninn, your mega vs my tempest :) yep we do :P soon as my exams are finished ill mail u , got exactly 15days then im freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak we seriously need to have a fight on the test server one of these days. your rax vs my muninn, your mega vs my tempest :) Deimos has an extra damage modifier on the HAC skill along with a fall off bonus, 20 more grid, extra high/low slot, 30 more CPU and essentially 2 built in 50% kinetic hardeners and a built in 50% thermal hardener. The Deimos takes an speed hit, but has slightly more agility. The extra high slot can be negated as the deimos will very rarely have anything in it. If you look at it, the Thorax->Deimos progression is a very modest upgrade compared to, say, Stabber -> Vagabond or Caracal -> Cerberus. It does not surprise me in the least that a prepared Thorax can (easily) defeat an unprepared Deimos. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:57:00 - [28] Deimos has more cap available that's true, and it does help somewhat. The cpu changes did little for anything using better then t2 modules, but you can do without faction modules now and still get a similair setup. Grid is still the issue, and so is speed/agility. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.05.24 21:03:00 - [29] Cpu was never a problem. Cap wasn't too bad either, but it is nice that they lowered the cap use. That's the exact same setup i used to run. Deimos has grid and speed/agility problems, not cap or cpu.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.24 21:08:00 - [30] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Isn't it time for another setup page? Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. So how have people spent these Extra goodies and what opinions are people having on others approaches? I'll get the ball rolling with the obvious setup - as i haven't had much of a chance to get down and dirty with my deimos: PvP setup: HI 5x Heavy Ion II's MID: 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Web 1x Scrambler Low: 1x MAR II 1x EMP (active) Hardner 1x Explosive (active) Hardner 1x cpr 2x Magnetic Stablizers /me goes to find a zealot pilot. Btw, not in the area of my deimos atm, does that fit with a rcu and med nos instead of the relay ( which is better btw, but I've mentioned that enough. ;-) ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Mather Maelstrom	Posted - 2006.05.24 21:14:00 - [31] Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 24/05/2006 21:15:14 What amazes me is that as soon as the blaster changes were mentioned everyone said that it wouldn't help the Deimos one bit, but still they went on with these changes. One would assume the many pages long suggestions about boosting the Deimos PG and/ or speed + tank would actually be considered and tried out first. I feel sad //No Pro Gallente RP, no Coreli & Cyrene anymore\\
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.24 21:16:00 - [32] Originally by: Mather Maelstrom Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 24/05/2006 21:15:14 What amazes me is that as soon as the blaster changes were mentioned everyone said that it wouldn't help the Deimos one bit, but still they went on with these changes. One would assume the many pages long suggestions about boosting the Deimos PG and/ or speed + tank would actually be considered and tried out first. I feel sad the changes where needed for the battleship lvl mainly. Not for the deimos. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Weirda	Posted - 2006.05.24 21:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, also taken out a few deimos with a thorax weirda have found that most 'pirate' with -10 actually suck worse then the ones with + whatever... since most of their time spent ganking noob in empire rather then fighting pvpers. the fact that the dude even try to have 'win' hac even more to it. this is not question at all that it wasn't a great kill - just reflecting on that lately. since started killing -10 pirate in empire (for a break) have had personal kill ration go to 10+:1 where it was much more in 0.0... Quote: deimos sucks it does need grid boost. weirda don't fly it - but that much seem obvious. would love to fight you t2 thorax with weirda rupture sometime though. sisi or tq... this no smack - just want to get in on it! __ NOS AS WCS Idea #223579
McCool	Posted - 2006.05.24 22:10:00 - [34] Edited by: McCool on 24/05/2006 22:11:03 Edited by: McCool on 24/05/2006 22:10:34 Originally by: Weirda weirda have found that most 'pirate' with -10 actually suck worse then the ones with + whatever... since most of their time spent ganking noob in empire rather then fighting pvpers. the fact that the dude even try to have 'win' hac even more to it. this is not question at all that it wasn't a great kill - just reflecting on that lately. since started killing -10 pirate in empire (for a break) have had personal kill ration go to 10+:1 where it was much more in 0.0... not sure about other pirates but i dont fit my pirate ships with any normal setups. mostly cause i have to fit 3-4+ warp scrambling strenght and cause i dont try to kill anything that dont goes boom just by looking at it. i would guess that a deimos without web and being tracking disrupt = byebye.
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2006.05.24 22:43:00 - [35] Quote: K so now the deimos pwns again Umm, not quite. She's still just as slow and due to crippled fitting can't fit Neutrons power-grid changes or not. Try again.
Hey You	Posted - 2006.05.25 00:58:00 - [36] Am I the only one who immediately thought of Dash when you saw this topic? ------------------------------
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.05.25 01:09:00 - [37] Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Soros Originally by: KilROCK Pfft my arty muninn got 2 multispec and 20km. Eat ** deimos You are amazing but ... could you kill the deimos before they just mwd'd away and warped ? Put your words where your guns are and try it out on test I don't play Counter-strike EVE. Flavor of the month term for the most flavor of the month poster. Why don't you get your hyperbolic, condescending arse on test and put your money where your mouth is. You usually just say X sucks when obviously you live in your own world in TQ where nothing but what you fit is good and if you can't fit it or fly it then its terrible. Test is a way to test balance. If you go there to do such things then it is no more counter-strike, which is a horrible analogy btw, than doom is shoots and ladders. Ruptures are beating deimos on SiSi in a controlled environment that may or may not ever happen on TQ and it servers the fuction of balance. However, if a rupture can do it beat a Deimos on SiSi at its own game then the rupture can surely take the Deimos's place in many cases, not all, on TQ. Originally by:** "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Harper04	Posted - 2006.05.25 01:17:00 - [38] Edited by: Harper04 on 25/05/2006 01:17:23 Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 24/05/2006 19:33:49 Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 24/05/2006 19:19:50 although i dont like using rcus.... 5 ion t2 (null) diminishing med nos named mwd true sansha / dark blood scrambler (10km) e5 prototype web true sansha med armour rep 400mm tungsten plate corpum explosive passive hardner (gives up to 55% passive) dark blood / true sansha energised adaptive nano (24% or thereabouts to all) true sansha / dark blood cpr (25%) t2 rcu minimum resist (expl) is 68% going up to 80% em. yeah its expensive but it kicks ass :) n.b. this wouldnt fit before the changes. i now can fit a medium nos as oppossed to a small. can tinker and i guess could fit bigger guns / plate with small nos. You know what is sad about this setup: 1. ishtar with 2x wcs fitted will chew you for breakfast... rest t1-t2 stuff 2. f-aga with 2x wcs will chew you, guy doesn't even have to bother with staying out of range, he just loads hail and waits 3. any bs with 2x heavy nosf + t2 MED drones will pop you, oh wait, even if he has 1x med neut, you will die. 4. zealot, suckri, beagle, cerb will wtfpwn you. so what exactly is the benefit of it over thorax? Oh you can kill artymunin with it, but that you can do in rax too. Oh, and don't get me wrong here, there is nothing wrong with setup of your. You invested lot in it, but problem is that the ship and the entire concept sucks. I beg to differ on the vaga beating a deimos WITHOUT staying out of it's range...tested many times against a very highly skilled corpm8 with just about every setup imaginable, and haven't lost. Then again, I also have almost maxed skills in medium blasters/drones and am extremely gallente spec'd. Against a shield tank the vaga lasts a bit, but will be in structure before I get deep into armor, and armor tanks are laughable at best. I almost popped my m8's vaga in a matter of seconds once I hit his armor tank setup he tried, scared both of us Vaga that stays out of range and pops my drones will win though. Zealot is a close fight, and largely depends on the range and how close you can get before the web slows you down and he starts AB'ing away. Null ammo is a must. Ishtar...just run away. BS with nos...see above about running away. Haven't tried against a suckri, beagles hurt, cerb I haven't tested against.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.25 01:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Soros Originally by: KilROCK Pfft my arty muninn got 2 multispec and 20km. Eat ** deimos You are amazing but ... could you kill the deimos before they just mwd'd away and warped ? Put your words where your guns are and try it out on test I don't play Counter-strike EVE. Flavor of the month term for the most flavor of the month poster. Why don't you get your hyperbolic, condescending arse on test and put your money where your mouth is. You usually just say X sucks when obviously you live in your own world in TQ where nothing but what you fit is good and if you can't fit it or fly it then its terrible. Test is a way to test balance. If you go there to do such things then it is no more counter-strike, which is a horrible analogy btw, than doom is shoots and ladders. Ruptures are beating deimos on SiSi in a controlled environment that may or may not ever happen on TQ and it servers the fuction of balance**. However, if a rupture can do it beat a Deimos on SiSi at its own game then the rupture can surely take the Deimos's place in many cases, not all, on TQ. I'll just reply . Since the flavor of the 'month' term is barely used, by me only as far as i've seen. Soros just challenged me to a 1vs1 with a muninn with 2 multi VS his deimos. I can't be arsed to make a copy of my current EVE client, patch it just to prove a point. Test server is horrible, and hmm. Korama looks fine uh. Mission running Kaylana Bet you love having Test server around to reinforce your lacking pvp experience. Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Weirda	Posted - 2006.05.25 02:30:00 - [40] Originally by: McCool not sure about other pirates but i dont fit my pirate ships with any normal setups. mostly cause i have to fit 3-4+ warp scrambling strenght and cause i dont try to kill anything that dont goes boom just by looking at it. i would guess that a deimos without web and being tracking disrupt = byebye. have tried to reread this few time - and am pretty sure that you proving weirda point. many (not all obviously) -10 pirate have gotten to the point where they have little actual combat experience anymore. sad kindof - weirda think this to be the 'ginger magician syndrom'. Originally by: Harper04 I beg to differ on the vaga beating a deimos WITHOUT staying out of it's range...tested many times against a very highly skilled corpm8 with just about every setup imaginable, and haven't lost. Then again, I also have almost maxed skills in medium blasters/drones and am extremely gallente spec'd. that have been opposite of weirda experience actually. have had one (good) 1v1, and one 1v2 (weirda vs. demios and stiletto) and was very one sided both times. in neither case did weirda even attempt to go out of web range... as a matter of fact, love to charge target in vagabond (which tend to be why lost so many to BS, or bait/switch mobs) still hope grosnak revisit this thread though - would really love to meet him on TQ for a little Rupture vs Thorax fun. back on topic to deimos though - it really seem that more then anything else, that is a great support fire ship in a wolfpack and lay down satanic damage if set up as such, the ishtar is much more suited to solopwnage iwho due to its range and ew options. ishtar great in group as well though, but find that deimos is quicker to bring massive damage to a target. guess they all better in some role or another. still dreaming to go hunting w/arti-muninn and huginn tbh though - that seem just sick! __ NOS AS WCS Idea #223579
Del Girl	Posted - 2006.05.25 03:04:00 - [41] Only improvement I see with my deimos is a 20mil saving on it's fitting. I can now fit a tech2 explosive hardner instead of the 20cpu faction one. The reduced cap use will probably come in usefull. Haven't fought anyone since patch so can't say exactly the impact it has but in the past the cap wasn't such a problem. You usually have enough to kill/tank a target. Hell, if you come accross a BS with nosferatus I don't think it matters much how much cap you got or what HAC you're in for that matter... except the damn vaga I guess. Overall, it's probably safe to say that this change brings nothing. It's still a very iffy HAC but can put the hurting on a whole variety of targets (smaller and larger) if you choose not to be an idiot. And regarding setups a combination of energized adaptive/explosive hardner/good named damage control puts up a pretty neat tank. Throw in the pwn drones (ecm hehe) and it's not so bad.
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.05.26 03:48:00 - [42] Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 26/05/2006 03:47:43 Did this fit pre patch? o.O (not including faction mods). Carrier & Fighter Sales
Raven DeBlade	Posted - 2006.05.26 03:57:00 - [43] Zealot and Vagabond still pwns any HAC... then the Deimos and Cerb, Ishtar and Muninn, last comes Eagle by far... exept it can snipe a frig... very balanced signature removed, height restriction applies email the mods for more info - Vanamonde "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees" "Any statements made above this line are my persona"
Meridius	Posted - 2006.05.26 04:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Deathbarrage deimos still sux (btw you could actually fit this before the changes) and a zealot pilot would eat this deimos alive And an Ishtar would eat a Zealot alive. So you want 2 ships that can *****a Zealot? Cry me a river - _____
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.26 04:32:00 - [45] Originally by: KilROCK Soros just challenged me to a 1vs1 with a muninn with 2 multi VS his deimos. I can't be arsed to make a copy of my current EVE client, patch it just to prove a point. Last I saw the test server was on the same version as TQ, so thats not an excuse. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.26 04:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: KilROCK Soros just challenged me to a 1vs1 with a muninn with 2 multi VS his deimos. I can't be arsed to make a copy of my current EVE client, patch it just to prove a point. Last I saw the test server was on the same version as TQ, so thats not an excuse. Might not be an excuse for the lazyness, but i still don't care about it Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
PASTOR TROY	Posted - 2006.05.26 04:39:00 - [47] Im going back to thorax's. You win CCP.
Sadist	Posted - 2006.05.26 05:11:00 - [48] Deimos still blows, thanks to overpowered EW, underpowered close range combat, gimped damage types, vulnerability to NoS, web. Uuuh, yea, I think that's enough reasons... --------------- VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
W'Lupus	Posted - 2006.05.26 05:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Deathbarrage deimos still sux (btw you could actually fit this before the changes) and a zealot pilot would eat this deimos alive And an Ishtar would eat a Zealot alive. So you want 2 ships that can *****a Zealot? Cry me a river listen to meri, he does have a point
El Yatta	Posted - 2006.05.26 07:46:00 - [50] Originally by: W'Lupus Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Deathbarrage deimos still sux (btw you could actually fit this before the changes) and a zealot pilot would eat this deimos alive And an Ishtar would eat a Zealot alive. So you want 2 ships that can *****a Zealot? Cry me a river listen to meri, he does have a point What? No he doesn't. Its stupid to say that a ship that is totally gimped, should not be balanced to be able to fulfull its intended role (a useful blaster boat, not just "kill all zealots", before you quote that out of context), just because the other ship on the same skill is good. Its totally stupid. Why on earth would we bother trying to get the Typhoon and the Hawk (and the Sacrelidge, meridius!) boosted, when after all, there's the harpy, tempest and Zealot on the same skill? I mean, its not like it'd be a good thing if all the ships were actually useful, and balanced? Don't spout crap like that again - if you think the Zealot would be underpowered against a fixed deimos (I dont,tbh, considering how much its tank has improved since RMR, while maintaining formidable damage (conflag will melt a deimos tank, no matter what numbers you spout)), then start a thread to get it a slight improvement! (Drone bay, perhaps, or increase the range bonus a little?) ---:::---
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.05.26 08:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Deathbarrage deimos still sux (btw you could actually fit this before the changes) and a zealot pilot would eat this deimos alive And an Ishtar would eat a Zealot alive. So you want 2 ships that can *****a Zealot? Cry me a river Ishtar can nuke any HAC 1on1, cept maybe a nanogheyabond, so yes i think its fair that we have another ship thats good My Latest Vid (18/04/06)
Alasse Cuthalion	Posted - 2006.05.26 09:14:00 - [52] Well, that was a completely pointless buff wasn't it? It is possible to fit a full of heavy neutron II's, a med rep and an mwd but you need... a) Faction rep & mwd with lower base pg b) So many rcu's you can't fit any damage mods and one less hardener ... which results in a Deimos that tanks worse and does less dps than an Ion blaster deimos. Good job CCP, way to make a pointless change!
Alasse Cuthalion	Posted - 2006.05.26 09:18:00 - [53] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: Mather Maelstrom Edited by: Mather Maelstrom on 24/05/2006 21:15:14 What amazes me is that as soon as the blaster changes were mentioned everyone said that it wouldn't help the Deimos one bit, but still they went on with these changes. One would assume the many pages long suggestions about boosting the Deimos PG and/ or speed + tank would actually be considered and tried out first. I feel sad the changes where needed for the battleship lvl mainly. Not for the deimos. You're saying the Domi/Mega had trouble fitting Heavy Neutron blasters? Remember they're the ones that got a PG reduction... NUH-UH! Lets face it, it's not like the Astarte had many issues fitting 7x Neutron II's, mwd, cap injector and a med rep :o So why else would they reduce the PG if not to try and boost the Deimos?
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.26 10:08:00 - [54] Edited by: Gronsak on 26/05/2006 10:10:56 Originally by: Eyeshadow Ishtar can nuke any HAC 1on1, cept maybe a nanogheyabond, so yes i think its fair that we have another ship thats good yes but what does an ishtar have over a domi? the reason i ask is becase having an ishtar doesnt mean galante got a good hac if the domi is better than the ishtar in everyway that matters i mean deimos got like 40x the tracking or something like that, its faster ect, domi/ishtar both use same drones so no tracking advantage. domi can tank better [80% res on all dmg types and large rep + med rep] pro domi: 4x large nos to hurt target very cheap [probably get 7x domi for 1 ishtar] better tank pro ishtar: lower sig, faster speed [if ur fighting anyone with decent pvp experience they will web u and that lower sig will not count for much] higher scan res dont see an ishtar doing better than a domi in any situation bar fighting people who dont know how to pvp, and raven users
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.26 10:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion the changes where needed for the battleship lvl mainly. Not for the deimos. You're saying the Domi/Mega had trouble fitting Heavy Neutron blasters? Remember they're the ones that got a PG reduction... NUH-UH! ONLY PG FOR heavy neutrons where reduced [ie the medium blaster called neutron] no other blaster PG was touched -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Alicia Ironbow	Posted - 2006.05.26 11:00:00 - [56] Edited by: Alicia Ironbow on 26/05/2006 11:01:06 .
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.26 11:23:00 - [57] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: Gariuys the changes where needed for the battleship lvl mainly. Not for the deimos. You're saying the Domi/Mega had trouble fitting Heavy Neutron blasters? Remember they're the ones that got a PG reduction... NUH-UH! ONLY PG FOR heavy neutrons where reduced [ie the medium blaster called neutron] no other blaster PG was touched She knows, that was the whole point of her post. So you're a bit quick on the flame. CPU and cap use reduction where most badly needed on the battleship lvl. Deimos benefits, but not by much ( yet ) The grid change on heavy neutron didn't benefit anyone safe from having even more free grid on the astarte. Deimos has trouble running ions, so unless neutrons take less grid then ions, it didn't benefit. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2006.05.26 11:30:00 - [58] Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 26/05/2006 11:31:13 Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion the changes where needed for the battleship lvl mainly. Not for the deimos. You're saying the Domi/Mega had trouble fitting Heavy Neutron blasters? Remember they're the ones that got a PG reduction... NUH-UH! well on deimos is hard to fit even ions so i was waiting to pg reduction for all blasters tbh or atleast pg boost on deimos join soar angelic! or at least
dutchfighter	Posted - 2006.05.26 11:57:00 - [59] well seems like i am about the only one, but i love my deimos. Just gotta pick your target. I think it's the most effective hac against other cruisers. Can easily take any frig sized ship and with it's insane dps it easily takes out a BC. Nice to support on BS's in a squad with it's damage and ability to quickly speed up to target and scramble. Tank isn't great, but in my eyes it's mainly a hit and run ship. It's not built for longer engagements. And why does everybody wanna fit ions?? electrons only have 5% less dps, but better tracking for the frigs. with null i still get 10km range if you take fall-off into consideration aswell. with void i get 512 dps on the 5 electrons. i get into a ferox his structure when he enters my armor. usually only have to run the armor repper once after the fight. Yes the ferox's are fitted T2. (this happened 3 times now with 3 different ferox pilots) from combat analyzer it shows that the average cruiser takes 14 seconds to kill. So i don't turn around for a cruiser squad either. just my 10 cents on the topic.
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.05.26 11:57:00 - [60] Originally by: KilROCK Edited by: KilROCK on 25/05/2006 01:36:54 Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Soros Originally by: KilROCK Pfft my arty muninn got 2 multispec and 20km. Eat ** deimos You are amazing but ... could you kill the deimos before they just mwd'd away and warped ? Put your words where your guns are and try it out on test I don't play Counter-strike EVE. Flavor of the month term for the most flavor of the month poster. Why don't you get your hyperbolic, condescending arse on test and put your money where your mouth is. You usually just say X sucks when obviously you live in your own world in TQ where nothing but what you fit is good and if you can't fit it or fly it then its terrible. Test is a way to test balance. If you go there to do such things then it is no more counter-strike, which is a horrible analogy btw, than doom is shoots and ladders. Ruptures are beating deimos on SiSi in a controlled environment that may or may not ever happen on TQ and it servers the fuction of balance. However, if a rupture can do it beat a Deimos on SiSi at its own game then the rupture can surely take the Deimos's place in many cases, not all, on TQ. I'll just reply . Since the flavor of the 'month' term is barely used, by me only as far as i've seen. Soros just challenged me to a 1vs1 with a muninn with 2 multi VS his deimos. I can't be arsed to make a copy of my current EVE client, patch it just to prove a point. Test server is horrible. I don't need to test anything in hope to rebalance stuff. I know what beats X with Y. I don't need to go on FFA and have my vagabond chased off by a QUAD beam Armageddon with nano, mwd and nosses. Get shot and nossed by a small gun apoc to the point i just eject from my ship to get a new one. I don't need to go on test server and try different setup to challenge other ships to come up with some whining that a ship is imbalanced. Hell, With the current crappy way Test server works, anyone can have full high grade set of everything, have the best modules and own eachother all they want. I stopped seeing SISI as a place to test crap, It's mostly a place for people to *** down crap when they're bored out of staying in their stations, npcing, miners or just people that just want to 'counter-strike' eve up. Bet you love having Test server around to reinforce your lacking pvp experience. I agree with some of you're points.. but there are alot of people on the test server too, who are willing to do a 1o1 outside ffa.. The only time i go to ffa, is when im pretty damn bored. And that last thing you said.. The answer is yes. Yes, i am glad that i have the test server, so i can screw around a bit, test some setups vs. all different kinds of ships, discuss setups with people and all in all, in a relaxed enviorement -> i dont have to worry about loosing stuff... (go play wow \0/zorz..) Its pretty much the same thing, as testing you're new setups on a corp mate or likely, but here i've got all the stuff i need, at the same station, instead of flying from station to station and region to region on the tq, to collect it. Oh.. And not everyone is vber rich.. I cant afford to think out of the box with a brand new ishtar, simply because i cant be arsed to carebear all the time. /Mav Spirits in the night! ALLLLL NIGHT!!!
Jerick Ludhowe	Posted - 2006.05.26 12:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Deathbarrage deimos still sux (btw you could actually fit this before the changes) and a zealot pilot would eat this deimos alive And an Ishtar would eat a Zealot alive. So you want 2 ships that can *****a Zealot? Cry me a river K, nerf Ishtar and boost deimos then.
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:03:00 - [62] coming with this change I can now fit 4 heavy neutron 2 2 heavy diminishing 1 web 1 scramble 1 ab T2 (sorry dudes i like AB better than mwd) 2 RCU T2 1 med rep T2 1 400mm plate named 1 armor explosive hardener T2 and 1 energized adaptative nano membrane T2 This sounds quite correct. Yeah i only reach 500m/S but i dont have an hudge sign radius and wont take as much dmg as i do with mwd, i use null ammo and my worst resistance is 70%... this with 3300 armor hp
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:06:00 - [63] Originally by: Nadec Ascand coming with this change I can now fit 4 heavy neutron 2 2 heavy diminishing 1 web 1 scramble 1 ab T2 (sorry dudes i like AB better than mwd) 2 RCU T2 1 med rep T2 1 400mm plate named 1 armor explosive hardener T2 and 1 energized adaptative nano membrane T2 This sounds quite correct. Yeah i only reach 500m/S but i dont have an hudge sign radius and wont take as much dmg as i do with mwd, i use null ammo and my worst resistance is 70%... this with 3300 armor hp you will die to a thorax!!!!!!!! -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Nadec Ascand coming with this change I can now fit 4 heavy neutron 2 2 heavy diminishing 1 web 1 scramble 1 ab T2 (sorry dudes i like AB better than mwd) 2 RCU T2 1 med rep T2 1 400mm plate named 1 armor explosive hardener T2 and 1 energized adaptative nano membrane T2 This sounds quite correct. Yeah i only reach 500m/S but i dont have an hudge sign radius and wont take as much dmg as i do with mwd, i use null ammo and my worst resistance is 70%... this with 3300 armor hp 2 RCU's Spirits in the night! ALLLLL NIGHT!!!
Alasse Cuthalion	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:10:00 - [65] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Nadec Ascand coming with this change I can now fit 4 heavy neutron 2 2 heavy diminishing 1 web 1 scramble 1 ab T2 (sorry dudes i like AB better than mwd) 2 RCU T2 1 med rep T2 1 400mm plate named 1 armor explosive hardener T2 and 1 energized adaptative nano membrane T2 This sounds quite correct. Yeah i only reach 500m/S but i dont have an hudge sign radius and wont take as much dmg as i do with mwd, i use null ammo and my worst resistance is 70%... this with 3300 armor hp 2 RCU's and still only an AB, not an MWD like the ship's designed for use with :\|
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:29:00 - [66] Edited by: Evil Thug on 26/05/2006 13:31:23 Originally by: LUKEC 1. ishtar with 2x wcs fitted will chew you for breakfast... rest t1-t2 stuff Ishtar will chew any hac. Overpowered ECM 4tw. Originally by: LUKEC 2. f-aga with 2x wcs will chew you, guy doesn't even have to bother with staying out of range, he just loads hail and waits Depends on skill, and setup ofc. If vaga will be with ab, if vaga will fit second extender, and ofc, if you`ll start to engage on 20km, mwd to target and then fight - you`ll loose. Will you start to engage crusader or ac-claw, in blasterranis on 20km ? Ofc no. You will try to start fighting on your optimal. Why do you think, that you can do smth different in deimos ? Originally by: LUKEC 3. any bs with 2x heavy nosf + t2 MED drones will pop you, oh wait, even if he has 1x med neut, you will die. Any hac will die, if his cap = 0. You are good pilot. But now - you are just biased. Sorry. ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Nadec Ascand coming with this change I can now fit 4 heavy neutron 2 2 heavy diminishing 1 web 1 scramble 1 ab T2 (sorry dudes i like AB better than mwd) 2 RCU T2 1 med rep T2 1 400mm plate named 1 armor explosive hardener T2 and 1 energized adaptative nano membrane T2 This sounds quite correct. Yeah i only reach 500m/S but i dont have an hudge sign radius and wont take as much dmg as i do with mwd, i use null ammo and my worst resistance is 70%... this with 3300 armor hp 2 RCU's and still only an AB, not an MWD like the ship's designed for use with :\| may be its supposed to be used with it but ther eis no way i would use a 550% sign radius thing on any ship bigger than an inty... (and even for inty it as to be an intelligent use) 1040 sign radius ... and for the RCU 2 yeah ... cant help deimos miss pg
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.26 13:52:00 - [68] Edited by: Gariuys on 26/05/2006 13:53:19 Originally by: Nadec Ascand coming with this change I can now fit 4 heavy neutron 2 2 heavy diminishing 1 web 1 scramble 1 ab T2 (sorry dudes i like AB better than mwd) 2 RCU T2 1 med rep T2 1 400mm plate named 1 armor explosive hardener T2 and 1 energized adaptative nano membrane T2 This sounds quite correct. Yeah i only reach 500m/S but i dont have an hudge sign radius and wont take as much dmg as i do with mwd, i use null ammo and my worst resistance is 70%... this with 3300 armor hp By god man, this ship has like 5 setup threads and you still come up with something this crappy. ( replace neutrons by ions, and 1 RCU with magfield ) And if you know what you're doing the mwd sig penalty doesn't hurt in the least. Atleast not like taking 3 times longer to reach your target will. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:05:00 - [69] The CPU changes were ment to allow you to fit neutrons easier, not to fit Ions + super tankage. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:11:00 - [70] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg The CPU changes were ment to allow you to fit neutrons easier, not to fit Ions + super tankage. Well, a lot of things in this game are "meant to be" one way but prove to work quite differently in practice. The Ares is "mean to be" a tackler. Ho ho ho.
Shinnen	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:21:00 - [71] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Isn't it time for another setup page? Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. So how have people spent these Extra goodies and what opinions are people having on others approaches? I'll get the ball rolling with the obvious setup - as i haven't had much of a chance to get down and dirty with my deimos: PvP setup: HI 5x Heavy Ion II's MID: 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Web 1x Scrambler Low: 1x MAR II 1x EMP (active) Hardner 1x Explosive (active) Hardner 1x cpr 2x Magnetic Stablizers /me goes to find a zealot pilot. You could fit that very similar pre patch Plus that setup is wrong you need a damage control unit where the EMP hardner is. :P Trust me it works better, get an internal force field array Shinnen ------------------ People that think they know it all, just annoy those of us that do.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:29:00 - [72] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg The CPU changes were ment to allow you to fit neutrons easier, not to fit Ions + super tankage. Then it failed horribly! ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Angus Torg	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Nadec Ascand coming with this change I can now fit 4 heavy neutron 2 2 heavy diminishing ... I am absolutely sure, you meant Medium Diminishing Power System Drain. Otherwise... WTB: Deimos with 5000 PG! Until then i will use it for 0.0 ratting.
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:37:00 - [74] Edited by: Nadec Ascand on 26/05/2006 14:37:27 Originally by: Gariuys By god man, this ship has like 5 setup threads and you still come up with something this crappy. ( replace neutrons by ions, and 1 RCU with magfield ) And if you know what you're doing the mwd sig penalty doesn't hurt in the least. Atleast not like taking 3 times longer to reach your target will. Tread is about neutron... Right now if i had something to do i will go for 5 heavy ion T2 with void 1 1 ab T2 1 web 1 scramble strengh 2 1 med armor T2 1 exp hardener T2 1 energized nano T2 1 400mm plate 2 mag stab T2 will warp at 10km max coz of my friend as im working in duo Will have 450 dps and will pown ur ass... hu yeah medium not heavy ... repeat after me heavy blaster medium nos heavy blaster medium nos
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.26 14:51:00 - [75] Thread was about deimos owning again, cause of changes that hardly affect it, and don't solve it's problems, ofcourse I can fit neutrons to a deimos, and lose a 200mil ( more now? ) uninsurable coffin in 2 seconds flat. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.05.26 15:05:00 - [76] Originally by: Nadec Ascand Edited by: Nadec Ascand on 26/05/2006 14:37:27 Originally by: Gariuys By god man, this ship has like 5 setup threads and you still come up with something this crappy. ( replace neutrons by ions, and 1 RCU with magfield ) And if you know what you're doing the mwd sig penalty doesn't hurt in the least. Atleast not like taking 3 times longer to reach your target will. Tread is about neutron... Right now if i had something to do i will go for 5 heavy ion T2 with void 1 1 ab T2 1 web 1 scramble strengh 2 1 med armor T2 1 exp hardener T2 1 energized nano T2 1 400mm plate 2 mag stab T2 will warp at 10km max coz of my friend as im working in duo Will have 450 dps and will pown ur ass... hu yeah medium not heavy ... repeat after me heavy blaster medium nos heavy blaster medium nos That's pritty low dps for void. I'd fly a standard deimos kit (2 electron/3ion, med nos, mwd, web, disrupt, rep, explo, dmg contr, 2x dmg mod, 1x pud, 5x valks) and easily beat you because of my mwd, even if you started out at 10km. You need a mwd unless you are being warped in onto a bs or bc with no propulsion mod.
darth solo	Posted - 2006.05.26 16:03:00 - [77] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, auto muninn is total crap... d solo. not everyone has what it takes to be a member of celes, do you?. join here.
Nadec Ascand	Posted - 2006.05.26 16:45:00 - [78] Originally by: Necrologic Originally by: Nadec Ascand Edited by: Nadec Ascand on 26/05/2006 14:37:27 Originally by: Gariuys By god man, this ship has like 5 setup threads and you still come up with something this crappy. ( replace neutrons by ions, and 1 RCU with magfield ) And if you know what you're doing the mwd sig penalty doesn't hurt in the least. Atleast not like taking 3 times longer to reach your target will. Tread is about neutron... Right now if i had something to do i will go for 5 heavy ion T2 with void 1 1 ab T2 1 web 1 scramble strengh 2 1 med armor T2 1 exp hardener T2 1 energized nano T2 1 400mm plate 2 mag stab T2 will warp at 10km max coz of my friend as im working in duo Will have 450 dps and will pown ur ass... hu yeah medium not heavy ... repeat after me heavy blaster medium nos heavy blaster medium nos That's pritty low dps for void. I'd fly a standard deimos kit (2 electron/3ion, med nos, mwd, web, disrupt, rep, explo, dmg contr, 2x dmg mod, 1x pud, 5x valks) and easily beat you because of my mwd, even if you started out at 10km. You need a mwd unless you are being warped in onto a bs or bc with no propulsion mod. would be glad to see how u can get better dps with this kind of fitting according that electron are worst than ion wich actually are the best choice. And also according that im not talking about a container or whatever without any resistance but about a standard ship fitting; i get a bit more than 600dps if im not taking resistance into account... u will loose at least 20 dps if using electron and given the 120 amo for each ion ... you wont run out of ammo

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