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HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:30:00 - [1] Isn't it time for another setup page? Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. So how have people spent these Extra goodies and what opinions are people having on others approaches? I'll get the ball rolling with the obvious setup - as i haven't had much of a chance to get down and dirty with my deimos: PvP setup: HI 5x Heavy Ion II's MID: 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Web 1x Scrambler Low: 1x MAR II 1x EMP (active) Hardner 1x Explosive (active) Hardner 1x cpr 2x Magnetic Stablizers /me goes to find a zealot pilot. Carrier & Fighter Sales
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:34:00 - [2] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Isn't it time for another setup page? Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. So how have people spent these Extra goodies and what opinions are people having on others approaches? I'll get the ball rolling with the obvious setup - as i haven't had much of a chance to get down and dirty with my deimos: PvP setup: HI 5x Heavy Ion II's MID: 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Web 1x Scrambler Low: 1x MAR II 1x EMP (active) Hardner 1x Explosive (active) Hardner 1x cpr 2x Magnetic Stablizers /me goes to find a zealot pilot. deimos still sux (btw you could actually fit this before the changes) and a zealot pilot would eat this deimos alive
DeathWarrior	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:38:00 - [3] Post in this thread maybe and include your talking about new changes? Originally by: Tuxford I once tried to kick my brother when I had my pants around my ankle. Probably not my brightest moments.
Bazman	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:39:00 - [4] I like having breathing room on it now, but the Deimos suffers from PG issues, just read Dash's thread :P My deimos is parked somewhere in empire, but as I recall from Sisi, I had like 40 extra CPU now, yummy ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:43:00 - [5] Meh... I'm not complaining about the blaster changes but I don't think I ever had CPU issues with my Deimos, just with powergrid. The grid changes to heavy neutrons have done nothing for the Deimos (only for the battlecruisers), and what you could fit on your Deimos before the patch has not changed a lot, if at all, despite the changes. Reduced cap usage, now that, of course, is always nice, but it seems to me the other changes aren't helping the Deimos at all...? --- High quality pics of ALL EVE ships!
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:52:00 - [6] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. how so? -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:59:00 - [7] yep up PG of deimos! -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2006.05.24 17:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. how so? there isn't any more dmg.... deimos needs more PG and more speed/agility, not more CPU. It already has more CPU then an ishtar which is an e-war boat (tho it is hard to fit yeah but hey deimos isn't hard to fit cpu wise)
Luc Boye	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:06:00 - [9] buy your deimos today! pre-packaged and pre-nerfed ftw!
El Yatta	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. how so? there isn't any more dmg.... deimos needs more PG and more speed/agility, not more CPU. It already has more CPU then an ishtar which is an e-war boat (tho it is hard to fit yeah but hey deimos isn't hard to fit cpu wise) Well, yes and no. Deimos doesnt run into CPU issues purely because you run into grid issues first - but to ever contemplate neutrons,or ions and a proper tank, if we ever get our PG boost, we would have found that we needed yesterday's CPU boost - I ran the numbers a while back, and the extra 40 CPU will come in handy to actually fit ANY neutron fit, when we eventually get +200 PG (Please?). ---:::---
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.24 18:52:00 - [11] does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
Arbenowskee	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:04:00 - [12] deimos will get 200 pg when eagle gets 5th gun slot :P ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sig too large. Maximum size 400x120 and 24000 bytes. -Oiri Yusko
Obsidian Tiger	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? Tell me about it when you get one pls. The ship definetly needs some PG and speed, there is absolutely no reason to prefer a deimos over a zealot or a vagabond. What is even worse is that eagle is a better blasterboat. Maybe deimos should get a MWD speed bonus and I wouldnt mind the other short range hacs getting a MWD penalty reduction either. Ah, whatever, just hope Tuxford knows about the issues.
slothe	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:15:00 - [14] although i dont like using rcus.... 5 ion t2 (null) diminishing med nos named mwd true sansha / dark blood scrambler (10km) e5 prototype web true sansha med armour rep 400mm tungsten plate corpum explosive passive hardner (gives up to 55% passive) dark blood / true sansha energised adaptive nano (24% or thereabouts to all) true sansha / dark blood cpr (25%) t2 rcu yeah its expensive but it kicks ass :)
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:17:00 - [15] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 24/05/2006 19:17:34 Tbh, that setup fitted before the change, if that's still the best one can fit after it then we've progressed the shiny total of zero wit the cpu change. And tbh, the deimos didnt have cap issues in my experience. So, kinda uless changes that. It needs to have more speed and agility, something like halfway to the vagabond or something. Old blog
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:31:00 - [16] Edited by: LUKEC on 24/05/2006 19:33:49 Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 24/05/2006 19:19:50 although i dont like using rcus.... 5 ion t2 (null) diminishing med nos named mwd true sansha / dark blood scrambler (10km) e5 prototype web true sansha med armour rep 400mm tungsten plate corpum explosive passive hardner (gives up to 55% passive) dark blood / true sansha energised adaptive nano (24% or thereabouts to all) true sansha / dark blood cpr (25%) t2 rcu minimum resist (expl) is 68% going up to 80% em. yeah its expensive but it kicks ass :) n.b. this wouldnt fit before the changes. i now can fit a medium nos as oppossed to a small. can tinker and i guess could fit bigger guns / plate with small nos. You know what is sad about this setup: 1. ishtar with 2x wcs fitted will chew you for breakfast... rest t1-t2 stuff 2. f-aga with 2x wcs will chew you, guy doesn't even have to bother with staying out of range, he just loads hail and waits 3. any bs with 2x heavy nosf + t2 MED drones will pop you, oh wait, even if he has 1x med neut, you will die. 4. zealot, suckri, beagle, cerb will wtfpwn you. so what exactly is the benefit of it over thorax? Oh you can kill artymunin with it, but that you can do in rax too. Oh, and don't get me wrong here, there is nothing wrong with setup of your. You invested lot in it, but problem is that the ship and the entire concept sucks. Die, die, die.
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:33:00 - [17] Pfft my arty muninn got 2 multispec and 20km. Eat **** deimos Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, also taken out a few deimos with a thorax deimos sucks -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Soros	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:39:00 - [19] Originally by: KilROCK Pfft my arty muninn got 2 multispec and 20km. Eat **** deimos You are amazing but ... could you kill the deimos before they just mwd'd away and warped ? Put your words where your guns are and try it out on test
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, also taken out a few deimos with a thorax deimos sucks Ok so boost the munin then ,if you killed a munnin with a thorax it needs boosting
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, also taken out a few deimos with a thorax deimos sucks before or after the rax got a drone bay nerf? Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
KilROCK	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Soros Originally by: KilROCK Pfft my arty muninn got 2 multispec and 20km. Eat **** deimos You are amazing but ... could you kill the deimos before they just mwd'd away and warped ? Put your words where your guns are and try it out on test I don't play Counter-strike EVE. Petwraith ♥ me. I make sigs
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:46:00 - [23] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Isn't it time for another setup page? Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. So how have people spent these Extra goodies and what opinions are people having on others approaches? Uh, replace the EMP active hardeners for an energized adaptive and thats almost exactly what I was running before patch when pvping with my deimos. Though I've been using my Astarte instead lately - if you're going to fly an incredibly slow short range ship, you might as well take the extra DPS. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:49:00 - [24] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Sarmaul does anyone have a deimos setup that doesn't get slapped about by an automuninn or vaga yet? ive taken out auto muninn in a thorax before and no he was not a noob, infact he was a -10 pirate supposidly hunting me, also taken out a few deimos with a thorax deimos sucks before or after the rax got a drone bay nerf? after, was only a few weeks back but it was specificly designed to kill hacs, said he laged out and couldnt turn on his kin hardener on, but the fight wasnt close, pretty much pawned him! [and i assume he blamed lag just cos of the hac vs crusier thing] people are rly suprised by the dmg output of a thorax if kitted well, one ship that gal have that is ***** nice is the thorax!!!!!!!!!! just to note, it was a t2 kitted thorax, everything on it! with t2 ammo, and the dude started shoting at 12km and came in clsoer so most fight was perhaps 4km off! and 5x t2 med exp drones. + dmg implants btw its just a rly good thorax setup, killed 2 deimos and 1 muninn with it past month solo :P but dont thret sarm only a few pilots in eve can fly a rax like i can -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent ***s
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Gronsak we seriously need to have a fight on the test server one of these days. your rax vs my muninn, your mega vs my tempest :) Originally by: General Apocalypse the game is very well balanced
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.05.24 19:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak we seriously need to have a fight on the test server one of these days. your rax vs my muninn, your mega vs my tempest :) yep we do :P soon as my exams are finished ill mail u , got exactly 15days then im freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee -------------------Sig----------------------- welcome to eve, a game for the unemployed, the t2 bpo winners, GTC sellers, macro miners and agent *****s
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Gronsak we seriously need to have a fight on the test server one of these days. your rax vs my muninn, your mega vs my tempest :) Deimos has an extra damage modifier on the HAC skill along with a fall off bonus, 20 more grid, extra high/low slot, 30 more CPU and essentially 2 built in 50% kinetic hardeners and a built in 50% thermal hardener. The Deimos takes an speed hit, but has slightly more agility. The extra high slot can be negated as the deimos will very rarely have anything in it. If you look at it, the Thorax->Deimos progression is a very modest upgrade compared to, say, Stabber -> Vagabond or Caracal -> Cerberus. It does not surprise me in the least that a prepared Thorax can (easily) defeat an unprepared Deimos. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.24 20:57:00 - [28] Deimos has more cap available that's true, and it does help somewhat. The cpu changes did little for anything using better then t2 modules, but you can do without faction modules now and still get a similair setup. Grid is still the issue, and so is speed/agility. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.05.24 21:03:00 - [29] Cpu was never a problem. Cap wasn't too bad either, but it is nice that they lowered the cap use. That's the exact same setup i used to run. Deimos has grid and speed/agility problems, not cap or cpu.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.05.24 21:08:00 - [30] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Isn't it time for another setup page? Blaster changes means a tincy wincy bit more cpu left available, as well as more damage and less cap usage. So how have people spent these Extra goodies and what opinions are people having on others approaches? I'll get the ball rolling with the obvious setup - as i haven't had much of a chance to get down and dirty with my deimos: PvP setup: HI 5x Heavy Ion II's MID: 1x 10mn MWD II 1x Web 1x Scrambler Low: 1x MAR II 1x EMP (active) Hardner 1x Explosive (active) Hardner 1x cpr 2x Magnetic Stablizers /me goes to find a zealot pilot. Btw, not in the area of my deimos atm, does that fit with a rcu and med nos instead of the relay ( which is better btw, but I've mentioned that enough. ;-) ) ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool

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