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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:19:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:the base stats aren't. hence, it's not being nerfed. you've been told several times. Yes, it is. A nerf to a skill is a nerf to the items using that skill, conceded by even Tippia indirectly. nobody has ever denied that drone interfacing is being nerfed. in fact, we've pointed it out several times. Which is a nerf to all drones save those being compensated. The Gecko is not being compensated, thus it is being nerfed.
no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.
you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts. |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
473
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:22:00 -
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To neckbeard or not to neckbeard, that is the question.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1149
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:26:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.
you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts. Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf.
Val'Dore wrote:To neckbeard or not to neckbeard, that is the question When you're more entertained than the people crying neckbeard, does it really matter? |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1730
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:33:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% - you can expect to see Gecko damage drop from current levels by 25% (6.3% on drone bonused hulls such as the new Rattlesnake).
I don't see how it's even actually possible to nerf something that is about to be buffed. They aren't changing the stats, unless it's to maintain their current capabilities, in which case, it isn't actually a nerf.
So, HTFU. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:33:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.
you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts. Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf.
of course it doesn't exist in isolation. except, that doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't being nerfed.
the drone interfacing nerf, is a drone interfacing nerf. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2357
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.
you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts. Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf. of course it doesn't exist in isolation. except, that doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't being nerfed. the drone interfacing nerf, is a drone interfacing nerf.
Which will affect gecko drones relative to how they perform pre- Kronos. This is not a signature. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:36:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.
you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts. Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf. of course it doesn't exist in isolation. except, that doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't being nerfed. the drone interfacing nerf, is a drone interfacing nerf. Which will affect gecko drones relative to how they perform pre- Kronos. yes, obviously, as drone interfacing affects geckos. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1149
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:37:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.
you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts. Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf. of course it doesn't exist in isolation. except, that doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't being nerfed. the drone interfacing nerf, is a drone interfacing nerf. Which is a drone nerf. Nerfing a skill nerfs the items affected by that skill. The exception would be if the base stats are changing to compensate, but as you state, that isn't happening, thus the nerf.
Jarod Garamonde wrote:I don't see how it's even actually possible to nerf something that is about to be buffed. They aren't changing the stats, unless it's to maintain their current capabilities, in which case, it isn't actually a nerf.
So, HTFU. It's not retaining it's current capabilities, specifically damage output under skills. That is what started the thread. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:40:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Which is a drone nerf. Nerfing a skill nerfs the items affected by that skill. The exception would be if the base stats are changing to compensate, but as you state, that isn't happening, thus the nerf. drones aren't being nerfed, they're being buffed (except the gecko). drone interfacing is being nerfed. if you're still confused at this point, i suggest you read the devblog. |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:42:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:It's not retaining it's current capabilities except it is, since it's not being changed. |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1149
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:42:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Which is a drone nerf. Nerfing a skill nerfs the items affected by that skill. The exception would be if the base stats are changing to compensate, but as you state, that isn't happening, thus the nerf. drones aren't being nerfed, they're being buffed (except the gecko). drone interfacing is being nerfed. if you're still confused at this point, i suggest you read the devblog. I'm aware of the devblog. Doesn't change that the gecko is being nerfed by was of the changes to drone interfacing. I've demonstrated I'm aware of the blog and this thread. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2357
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:43:00 -
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When is a nerf not a nerf?
When it's a gecko :) This is not a signature. |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1731
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:43:00 -
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Well, nobody complained about the Gecko, in and of itself. Thus marking the first time in EVE Online history when the entire playerbase was perfectly satisfied with the free stuff CCP gave us for little to no reason at all.
There's a bright side to all of this, however... at least we're not playing some dumb kung fu panda MMO... That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3503
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:45:00 -
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I can't believe this hit 10 pages... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Dave Stark
5448
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:45:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Which is a drone nerf. Nerfing a skill nerfs the items affected by that skill. The exception would be if the base stats are changing to compensate, but as you state, that isn't happening, thus the nerf. drones aren't being nerfed, they're being buffed (except the gecko). drone interfacing is being nerfed. if you're still confused at this point, i suggest you read the devblog. I'm aware of the devblog. Doesn't change that the gecko is being nerfed by was of the changes to drone interfacing. I've demonstrated I'm aware of the blog and this thread. Dave Stark wrote:except it is, since it's not being changed. Feel free to demonstrate how damage with skills, specifically drone interfacing, is not being changed.
the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed. seems you don't understand that simple concept. |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1732
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:46:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I can't believe this hit 10 pages...
I can't believe this thread is even a thing. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1149
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:48:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed. seems you don't understand that simple concept. The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4042
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:49:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote: kung fu panda MMO...
I wish there was an actual KFP MMO, rather than the one you mean.
http://bit.ly/1uKLBqX "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:50:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed. seems you don't understand that simple concept. The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.
except that's the drone interfacing skill being nerfed, not the gecko. look, we've been through this. instead of posting more crap just go through the posts in this thread to realise whatever you're about to post has been addressed already. |

Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15426
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:51:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed. seems you don't understand that simple concept. The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.
So if the Gecko had been introduced as-is after the skill change, you'd be perfectly happy with it? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1149
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:54:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed. seems you don't understand that simple concept. The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill. So if the Gecko had been introduced as-is after the skill change, you'd be perfectly happy with it? I'm not unhappy with it as is or as will be after the drone interfacing change. My participation has nothing to do with dissatisfaction with what will hit like a pair of ogre II's while being faster and tracking better. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2358
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:58:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:I can't believe this hit 10 pages... I can't believe this thread is even a thing.
I can't believe this thing is even a thread, This is not a signature. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2358
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:59:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed. seems you don't understand that simple concept. The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill. So if the Gecko had been introduced as-is after the skill change, you'd be perfectly happy with it?
You got that right Malcanis. This is not a signature. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1150
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:00:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed. seems you don't understand that simple concept. The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill. except that's the drone interfacing skill being nerfed, not the gecko. look, we've been through this. instead of posting more crap just go through the posts in this thread to realise whatever you're about to post has been addressed already. You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko. In fact you've refused to directly address the idea of one factor in the game being able to nerf another related element.
You've also not provided any sort of sourced definition which justifies the exclusion of the above from being considered a nerf. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4043
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:02:00 -
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Theres a lot of bloody faces from that brick wall.
Its amazing the amount of repetition going on in the hope of a different result.....
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1732
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:03:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Theres a lot of bloody faces from that brick wall.
Its amazing the amount of repetition going on in the hope of a different result.....
Still not as bad as the DUST forums, last weekend.... That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4043
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:07:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Theres a lot of bloody faces from that brick wall.
Its amazing the amount of repetition going on in the hope of a different result.....
Still not as bad as the DUST forums, last weekend....
True, though there was a vast amount of suicides I heard too "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1733
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:13:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Theres a lot of bloody faces from that brick wall.
Its amazing the amount of repetition going on in the hope of a different result.....
Still not as bad as the DUST forums, last weekend.... True, though there was a vast amount of suicides I heard too
But..... but "suicide is prohibited in public areas".... the PA system reminds them of it, all the time. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:13:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko. it has been addressed several times. nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1151
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:17:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:You've yet to actually directly address the fact that nerfing drone interfacing nerfs the gecko. it has been addressed several times. nerfing drone interfacing is a nerf to drone interfacing, not the gecko. So you are saying that nerfing drone interfacing has no effect on the items that drone interfacing effects? That doesn't logically make sense. |
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