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Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3482
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:23:00 -
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CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2950
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:33:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.
Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec. I have switched to a gun boat for my PvE since drones' effective DPS is a shadow of what it was a year ago. And the faction damage mods on the way won't even begin to address the ridiculous nerfs drones have endured, let alone all the ones lined up in 4 weeks. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3482
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:39:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec. I have switched to a gun boat for my PvE since drones' effective DPS is a shadow of what it was a year ago. And the faction damage mods on the way won't even begin to address the ridiculous nerfs drones have endured, let alone all the ones lined up in 4 weeks. With the new Rattlesnake I'll need to run 3x Faction DDA's just to offset the damage nerf to the Gecko. I don't even know what the point of unlocking more of these is... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
267
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:41:00 -
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Give them a nuke, and they will complain when the fallout is reduced so as not to kill everyone.... |

Merida DunBrogh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:47:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.
I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly.
Drone Interface is being reduced from 20% per level to 10% per level, that is correct. However that 50% difference is being applied on the drones themselves so that new players have higher damage drones and older players stay the same.
Edit: Thinking about it slightly longer would indicate you are correct(If Fozzie doesn't change his mind) if his stats are not buffed like other drones for Kronos. |

Dominus Tempus
Forced Euthanasia
30
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:47:00 -
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Already figured as much. |

Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3482
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:53:00 -
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Merida DunBrogh wrote:I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly. You're correct - it's only a 6.3% nerf with the new Rattlesnake. It's a 25% nerf to any other hull. Feel free to let me know if I made a mistake anywhere on the math...
Gecko (pre-Kronos) GÇó 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (2.5x total) GÇó (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 583.2 dps
Gecko (post-Kronos) GÇó 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (1.875 total) * (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 437.4 daps I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Ren Coursa
Rapid Withdrawal
13
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:56:00 -
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Merida DunBrogh wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%. I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly. Drone Interface is being reduced from 20% per level to 10% per level, that is correct. However that 50% difference is being applied on the drones themselves so that new players have higher damage drones and older players stay the same.
And what fozzie apparently has said is that this difference has already been applied to the gecko so come June the only thing that is going to change about the gecko is the skill-nerf.
I haven't read anything about this myself but that's what i gather from op's post. |

Dominus Tempus
Forced Euthanasia
30
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:57:00 -
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Ren Coursa wrote:Merida DunBrogh wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%. I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly. Drone Interface is being reduced from 20% per level to 10% per level, that is correct. However that 50% difference is being applied on the drones themselves so that new players have higher damage drones and older players stay the same. And what fozzie apparently has said is that this difference has already been applied to the gecko so come June the only thing that is going to change about the gecko is the skill-nerf. I haven't read anything about this myself but that's what i gather from op's post. No, the difference has already been applied, which means the Gecko will be more powerful than normal until the third. |

Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3482
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:59:00 -
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Ren Coursa wrote:And what fozzie apparently has said is that this difference has already been applied to the gecko so come June the only thing that is going to change about the gecko is the skill-nerf. I haven't read anything about this myself but that's what i gather from op's post. Yes, a 25% damage nerf with Kronos (just for the Gecko). Dutch tulips anyone? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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Merida DunBrogh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.05.08 06:06:00 -
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Ren Coursa wrote:And what fozzie apparently has said is that this difference has already been applied to the gecko so come June the only thing that is going to change about the gecko is the skill-nerf.
I haven't read anything about this myself but that's what i gather from op's post.
Yeah, I already Edited my post. After just waking up posting is a bad thing 
But even then, the Gecko are still worth it. all/most of their stats are better than heavies, and will stay that way. They will just be slightly closer to eachother.
I wonder how the rattlesnake will be with 1 gecko VS 2 heavies/sentries in terms of paper DPS and applied DPS, and how quickly you would lose those drones.
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Dave Stark
5364
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Posted - 2014.05.08 06:08:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Merida DunBrogh wrote:I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly. You're correct - it's only a 6.3% nerf with the new Rattlesnake. It's a 25% nerf to any other hull.Feel free to let me know if I made a mistake anywhere on the math... Gecko (pre-Kronos) GÇó 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (2.5x total) GÇó (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 583.2 dps Gecko (post-Kronos) GÇó 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (1.875 total) * (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 437.4 daps
for the sake of completeness, what is the damage of an ogre II pre and post kronos? |

Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
962
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Posted - 2014.05.08 06:09:00 -
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meh my ratting ishtar that can tank any gurista anomoly won't be showing 1150 dps in the fitting window come patch day.
Daresay those misguided souls that use pathetic secondary weapon systems like missiles and guns as primary weapon systems would soon be clamouring for a nerf to 1150 dps cruisers if that wasn't going to happen automatically.
Omni damage of course has its disadvantages as do heavy drones but geckos are horribly compelling at the moment and shine in pve battleship heavy content. Against any race, in any region, from several ships including stratios, drone proteus and myrmidon, as well as the usual suspects.
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Arthur Aihaken
Erebus Solia
3482
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Posted - 2014.05.08 06:10:00 -
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Merida DunBrogh wrote:I wonder how the rattlesnake will be with 1 gecko VS 2 heavies/sentries in terms of paper DPS and applied DPS, and how quickly you would lose those drones. After Kronos, 2 heavies will actually provide more DPS and applied damage than a single Gecko since you can tailor it to specific resistances. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |

Cultural Enrichment
Jenkem Puffing Association
35
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Posted - 2014.05.08 07:09:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Merida DunBrogh wrote:I wonder how the rattlesnake will be with 1 gecko VS 2 heavies/sentries in terms of paper DPS and applied DPS, and how quickly you would lose those drones. After Kronos, 2 heavies will actually provide more DPS and applied damage than a single Gecko since you can tailor it to specific resistances. 2 Ogres will still have less speed, less tracking and probably less EHP 2 valkyries will still have less damage. The future of the Gecko is looking fine, instead of being the absolute god of drones. |

Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1486
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Posted - 2014.05.08 07:28:00 -
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I would rather have them overpowered because people will see them more often and potentially they will be lost more often. Risk vs reward. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1757
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Posted - 2014.05.08 07:38:00 -
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Give people free super drones for a month and they complain. |

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
283
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Posted - 2014.05.08 08:01:00 -
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Well, pessimists will be pessimistic.
What's that other saying? "Give a moth a cookie, and it will want a glass of milk." |

Tar'z
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.05.08 08:55:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%. Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec. I'm making 200mil/hr in highsec right now. I'm making that amount of ISK while typing this message on the forums. I could go take a poop right now, come back, and I'd still be making progress towards that 200mil/hr.
High-sec income is completely over the top due to the ability to multibox accounts in this game. You cannot multibox in non-highsec with the same safety and therefore efficiency.
I understand the high-sec income nerfs are bothersome for players with solo accounts, but consider what happens if they don't nerf it. People like me continue to make 200mil/hr for almost no effort. If you have one account, get the hell out of high-sec is my suggestion.
Now, back on topic..... the current gecko is completely OP. Perhaps with this change the gecko will actually be balanced now. Remember it still has it's absurd EHP, ridiculous speed/tracking for a heavy drone, and all the other goodies. |

Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
635
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:03:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.
I'm pretty sure I heard Fozzie say that the drone damage was being changed to compensate for the 100% to 50% drop. The chance in the skill affect is to limit the requirement to train to level V and not to nerf the damage output of drones. Forums are playing EVE too. Fact. |
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Dave Stark
5369
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:07:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%. I'm pretty sure I heard Fozzie say that the drone damage was being changed to compensate for the 100% to 50% drop. The change in the skill affect is to limit the apparent requirement to train to level V and not to nerf the damage output of drones.
yes, all other drones are getting a 33% boost.
the gecko has been added to the game with that boost already applied. therefore the gap between geckos and other drones will be closing up come kronos. |

Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
85
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:08:00 -
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Geckos will still be the fastest heavies with the best tracking. You know you have winners on your hands when they can blap faction elite frigs in PvE. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5875
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:09:00 -
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Cultural Enrichment wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Merida DunBrogh wrote:I wonder how the rattlesnake will be with 1 gecko VS 2 heavies/sentries in terms of paper DPS and applied DPS, and how quickly you would lose those drones. After Kronos, 2 heavies will actually provide more DPS and applied damage than a single Gecko since you can tailor it to specific resistances. 2 Ogres will still have less speed, less tracking and probably less EHP 2 valkyries will still have less damage. The future of the Gecko is looking fine, instead of being the absolute god of drones.
This is pretty much my thought on the matter as well. Right now it utterly invalidates each and every heavy drone, post Kronos it won't, which is a good thing, tradeoffs are important.
For me, I can't honestly see a situation in which I would still use a normal Heavy drone unless I expect the Gecko to die, or it's shooting into a Thermal hole. Because the Gecko has that rainbow damage. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
635
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:03:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Wacktopia wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%. I'm pretty sure I heard Fozzie say that the drone damage was being changed to compensate for the 100% to 50% drop. The change in the skill affect is to limit the apparent requirement to train to level V and not to nerf the damage output of drones. yes, all other drones are getting a 33% boost. the gecko has been added to the game with that boost already applied. therefore the gap between geckos and other drones will be closing up come kronos.
I understand. Probably why we only get 3 each to prevent an uber Gecko meta in between now and Kronos. Forums are playing EVE too. Fact. |

Merida DunBrogh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:14:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Wacktopia wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%. I'm pretty sure I heard Fozzie say that the drone damage was being changed to compensate for the 100% to 50% drop. The change in the skill affect is to limit the apparent requirement to train to level V and not to nerf the damage output of drones. yes, all other drones are getting a 33% boost. the gecko has been added to the game with that boost already applied. therefore the gap between geckos and other drones will be closing up come kronos. I understand. Probably why we only get 3 each to prevent an uber Gecko meta in between now and Kronos.
http://www.eveonline.com/11/?utm_source=eveonline.com&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=11th%20anniversary&utm_campaign=11th%20anniversary
Make that 11 each, if we make each goal ;)
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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
194
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:28:00 -
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Drones are getting nerfed? Cool! Drones make PvP stupid. ...end transmission... GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ |

Chuck Sanussi
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
4
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:31:00 -
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wow, eve forums are bigger cancer that hubs.
constant complaining guys, get a grip. you get a freebie, cool, sthu and enjoy it.
oh yes, and NERF is so dramatic, keep it upper case every time something gets NERFed.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6370
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:25:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Give people free super drones for a month and they complain.
This comes to mind.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21587
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:57:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec. GǪexcept that none of that is actually happening.
Instead, drones are being balanced and highsec is getting buffed.
Quote:And the faction damage mods on the way won't even begin to address the ridiculous nerfs drones have endured Since the drone nerfs are pretty minute GÇö in fact, many drones are getting pretty significantly buffed GÇö they will address it just fine. But of course, having decided beforehand what you want the changes to be, this fact is not something you will have picked up because it doesn't fit your incorrect assumptions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Kuronaga
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
273
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:08:00 -
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Seems stupid to nerf the gecko when its a limited commodity. |
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