actually, one skill is being removed, and two are being added.
however the level the two are being added at, is decided by the highest of two current skills.

No it isn't, it's being decided by SDO only.

I don't know why you decided to start being wrong about things, but it's upsetting.

ONE old skill is being replaced by three new ones.

The level in that ONE skill is deciding the new skills.

No it isn't, it's being decided by SDO only.

drone avionics skill is totally separate from this discussion. it's being neither removed or replaced, merely renamed.

Wasn't being willfully obtuse. Just ********. I'm done here.

Nope, you have misunderstood the changes. Scout drone operation is being converted to drone avionics as stated in the original devblog.

This is what I mean when I say CCP has made a bit of hash of these changes. Scout drone operation was originally being renamed drone avionics. Now it is being split into 3 different skills, two of which where initially meant to be covered by combat drone operation.

That's ok. I know that the devblog was itself a bit obtuse GÇö I just thought that they had made it pretty clear by now what was going to be done.

Although I will say I have no idea what's going on with industry. Haven't had the willpower to try and dig through all those devblogs on the subject. Which is why I haven't tried to get in any discussions about it.

CCP could communicate some of these things better.

I like to think I'm usually pretty good about keeping track of changes. Dropped the ball pretty hard this time.

CCP could communicate some of these things better.

Well... We all know they aren't the best at doing that. ;)

So, it'll work like this (SDO = Scout Drone Ops; CDO = Combat Drone Ops; LDO = Light Drone Ops; MDO = Medium Drone Ops; DAv = Drone Avionics).

A few things to note:
GÇó Under exactly one condition do you gain more ability than you have now: when your Scout Drone Ops > Combat Drone Ops.
GÇó Under exactly one condition do you not gain more SP than you have now: when both SDO and CDO is at level 0.
GÇó You do not gain DAv unless you have SDO trained, but you do gain LDO and MDO no matter which of the two old skills you have trained.

This method would make a lot more sense;

Combat drone operation = drone avionics

Scout drone operation = medium drone + light drone operation.

As mentioned previously, this method of skill transition seems badly thought through.

This method would make a lot more sense;

Combat drone operation = drone avionics

Scout drone operation = medium drone + light drone operation.

That way there is no overlap and all skills serve a purpose when being transitioned unlike the current proposed transition arrangement.

Arguing semantics: The thread.

I would suggest to CCP that everyone still posting here after page 4 will get 50k skill points removed from a random skill.

Dumbass will learn or dumbass will pain.

It doesn't make much more sense than what they're doing now, though.

The problem with that is that none of the old skills correspond properly with the new skills.

SDO is the drone control range skill, so its being transformed into Drone Avionics makes senseGǪ but it also unlocks light and medium drones, which means translating it to LDO/MDO makes sense too.
CDO is the light/medium drone damage skill, so its being translated into LDO/MDO also makes sense, but turning it into Drone Avionics does not.

The problem right now is that the drone control range skill unlocks drones rather than drone range modules, for some obscure reason. Yes, with the transition method they've chosen, people could conceivably gain more (or new) abilities compared to before, but that holds just as true under your model GÇö suddenly, characters with CDO gain drone control range that they didn't train for and characters with SDO gain drone damage bonuses they didn't train for. Moreover, you are turning a rank-2 skill into a rank-1 skill and a rank-1 skill into a rank-3 skill (this compared to what they're doing: rank 2 GåÆ rank 1+2 and rank 1 GåÆ rank 1, with a possible additional 3 ranks if your drone skill training is odd).


Put another way: the current drone skills don't make sense. They are making them make sense. The transition will inevitably not make sense because of the senseless foundation it has to build on. The senselessness they've picked is probably the more sensible of the bunch.

i agree with you on the industry stuff.
like 5 blogs of stuff to read through. it's a lot to digest all at once.

I'll illustrate my understanding of the change through an example.

Current skills on one of my characters:
Skill name / skill rank / trained level / accumulated skill points
Combat Drone Operation / Rank 2 / L4 / 90.510
Scout Drone Operation / Rank 1 / L5 / 256.000

Current combined SP: 346.510

Predicted post-change skills on the same character:
Skill name / skill rank / trained level / accumulated skill points
Light Drone Operation / Rank 1 / L5 / 256.000
Medium Drone Operation / Rank 2 / L5 / 512.000
Drone Avionics / Rank 1 / L5 / 256.000

Predicted post-change combined SP: 1.024.000

So, if I understand this correctly and there won't be any additional changes to the planned implementation, I will gain 677490 SP.

I would suggest to CCP that everyone still posting here after page 4 will get 50k skill points removed from a random skill.
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