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Sato Page BLOORDOGY Dead Space Syndicate 108	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:27:00 - [1] - Quote http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/eve-online-may-have-experienced-its.html We would love to know the subscription number of EvE after the CSM9 election. I could see no reason for CCP to withhold this information from its players. I'm sure CCP just over looked this "minor" detail while compiling this year's election report. So yeah...... CCP, if you could just go ahead and tell us the number..... That would be great.... Thanks.
Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 744	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:33:00 - [2] - Quote Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then before?
Meiyang Lee Game Instrument Applications 38	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:35:00 - [3] - Quote Sato Page wrote: http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/eve-online-may-have-experienced-its.html We would love to know the subscription number of EvE after the CSM9 election. I could see no reason for CCP to withhold this information from its players. I'm sure CCP just over looked this "minor" detail while compiling this year's election report. So yeah...... CCP, if you could just go ahead and tell us the number..... That would be great.... Thanks. You can check CCPs financial report, the number should be in there if I recall correctly.
Sato Page BLOORDOGY Dead Space Syndicate 109	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:37:00 - [4] - Quote Joshua Foiritain wrote: Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then before? In this case, CCP should release the number. Just to kill rumour of this kind.
Proletariat Tingtango GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1019	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:40:00 - [5] - Quote Do you know what trade secrets are, OP?
Sato Page BLOORDOGY Dead Space Syndicate 109	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:45:00 - [6] - Quote Proletariat Tingtango wrote: Do you know what trade secrets are, OP? Yes I do, random goon. This information wasn't part of your "trade secrets" for the first 9 years of eve. So what's so secret about the sub number of 2013?
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1875	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:47:00 - [7] - Quote Proletariat Tingtango wrote: Do you know what trade secrets are, OP? Sub numbers are usually a marketing asset not a trade secret. The only time you classify them as a trade secret is if they are bad. E: Though the blog is terrible, since CSM voting is a horrible metric to use. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 2996	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:47:00 - [8] - Quote Sato Page wrote: Joshua Foiritain wrote: Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then before? In this case, CCP should release the number. Just to kill rumour of this kind. Yup.... The employee who did all the analysis in the blog clearly had the raw number available, but chose not to reveal it. So really only a couple potential reasons why it was not revealed. 1. CCP is going in a new direction and not releasing sub numbers anymore, good or bad. But we have seen zero comments from management as to why that new direction. 2. It was an accidental omission. Reason #2 is utterly implausible, and reason #1, well, why would they suddenly change? And best thing, CCP is doubling down in steering the game in the direction that created this very likely subscription drop. An enormously bad business decision. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.
Cpt Swagg Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2014.05.10 14:54:00 - [9] - Quote You know that's all bull right? Alts voting on the csm count as subscribers. There's just so much volatility in the guessing from the csm voting results, it's totally pointless to go that way. If you want to know exactly how many subscribers including alts, go to Iceland and count the names on the monument. That's how close you can get to a real number. Then divide that by 3 and have a realistic quantity of subscribers, not including alts.
Proletariat Tingtango GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1019	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:10:00 - [10] - Quote Sato Page wrote: Proletariat Tingtango wrote: Do you know what trade secrets are, OP? Yes I do, random goon. This information wasn't part of your "trade secrets" for the first 9 years of eve. So what's so secret about the sub number of 2013? They still don't have to disclose them to you or anybody for that matter. There are plenty of excuses, and you've got no reason to know them except for your own baseless and worthless speculation.

Bernie Nator 4U Services Inc. Upholders 1046	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:10:00 - [11] - Quote Sato Page wrote: Joshua Foiritain wrote: Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then before? In this case, CCP should release the number. Just to kill rumour of this kind. You mean the one you just started?
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 839	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:16:00 - [12] - Quote The number is probably down and that's why they're keeping it a secret but so what... CCP releases it and all the sudden 100 posts with the topic "I told you this would happen when CCP nerfed sentry drones" appear. In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. Most people cut stuff like video games and entertainment first.
Falin Whalen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 631	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:17:00 - [13] - Quote Ground floor of another Eve is dying thread. "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5573	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:20:00 - [14] - Quote Joshua Foiritain wrote: Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then ever before? PCU counts are definitely down on Tranquality (according to eve-offline), we've dipped to 2011 levels, I would expect that count to spike a bit around the next expansion as it usually does, it already appears to be trending back upwards. New eggs also seem to be back to trending upwards. Historically PCU is usually down for the few months leading up to an expansion. The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count. You could draw the conclusion the low PCU count on Tranq means overall subs have also been down, which could potentially affect voting turnout. Of course only CCP knows for sure, but I would suspect that if sub numbers are down significantly, no one at CCP is going to be rushing to publish that info given the amount of other bad news they have had to deal with recently. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Natassia Krasnoo R3D SHIFT Brothers Of The Dark Sun 317	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:24:00 - [15] - Quote No wait! Stand back civilian onlookers...I've got this one! Obligatory EVE is dying post. It's safe now my fellow forumites, return to your usuall mundane posting. Nothing to see here.
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1876	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:29:00 - [16] - Quote IIshira wrote: In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. Most people cut stuff like video games and entertainment first. Actually gaming and home entertainment usually stay steady if not increase during a bad economy. Since people will cut back on more expensive forms of entertainment like going out, movies, dinners etc and stick to things like Netflix, Hulu, MMOs, etc which is generally cheaper in the long run(1 month for most MMOs costs less than a single night out). Not to mention Eve has a system that actually allows people to play to pay, which can negate the prioritizing income. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:31:00 - [17] - Quote Meiyang Lee wrote: You can check CCPs financial report, the number should be in there if I recall correctly. No, it doesn't, but it does give you an over all income from games and I believe it breaks it down by game. Logically if that number for Eve decreases, subscriptions/plex sales would be down.
Darth Kilth Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans 167	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:42:00 - [18] - Quote The ammount of people voting in the elections in the real world goes up and down as well, doesn't mean a ton of people suddenly died or left the country if the numbers dropped.
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 808	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:43:00 - [19] - Quote I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the only source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience". Take solace knowing that even after the sun sets, and your sky is filled with darkness, that the sun is still shining. -D. Entervention Psychotic Monk joins BNI
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:47:00 - [20] - Quote Darth Kilth wrote: The ammount of people voting in the elections in the real world goes up and down as well, doesn't mean a ton of people suddenly died or left the country if the numbers dropped. As they point out, it's not 'just' that the votes decreased. In and of itself that's interesting, but not alarming. Taken as part of the bigger picture though (concurrency, layoffs, game cancellations, lots of announcements of staff jumping ship to other companies) it's somewhat more concerning. CCP did not cancel WoD, as an example, despite the very small actual profit they made in last years financials.

JC Anderson State Protectorate Caldari State 1100	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:50:00 - [21] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the only source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience". Still, the tutorials are MUCH better than they used to be... And I mean like, leaps and bounds better.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10737	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:52:00 - [22] - Quote are sub numbers down? we want to blame the usual scapegoats if they are Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:55:00 - [23] - Quote Andski wrote: are sub numbers down? we want to blame the usual scapegoats if they are That has yet to be conclusively shown, but frankly, it's starting to look that way. As far as scapegoating, we should keep that separate. I suggest a 'GRR Goons' and 'Grrr Carebears' in separate threads to make the mods lives easier.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10738	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:57:00 - [24] - Quote "it's starting to look that way" what Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
JC Anderson State Protectorate Caldari State 1100	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:57:00 - [25] - Quote I shall blame Obama.... Really can't think of anything better.
Dave Stark 5487	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:59:00 - [26] - Quote just in case nobody has pointed it out. starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their ** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that ** probably isn't the best way to start a topic.
JC Anderson State Protectorate Caldari State 1100	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:01:00 - [27] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: just in case nobody has pointed it out. starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their ** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that ** probably isn't the best way to start a topic. ROFL I didn't bother checking to see who the author was until I saw your post. So... yeah.
Dave Stark 5487	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:01:00 - [28] - Quote JC Anderson wrote: Dave Stark wrote: just in case nobody has pointed it out. starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their ** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that ** probably isn't the best way to start a topic. ROFL I didn't bother checking to see who the author was until I saw your post. So... yeah. always check your sources.
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1876	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:04:00 - [29] - Quote JC Anderson wrote: Sibyyl wrote: I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the only source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience". Still, the tutorials are MUCH better than they used to be... And I mean like, leaps and bounds better. They are better in regards to explaining things, but I doubt they are doing much to draw more people into continuing to play. The NPE in almost all aspects is as boring as can be, which probably explains why the retention rate is and always has been low. From a completely speculative standpoint in regards to possible decreased sub numbers. It seems like since Incarna the expansions have been mostly tweaks and minor improvements, which is by all means desperately needed. However this does not draw many older players back to the game mixed with the low retention rate of new players would mean lower overall PCU and sub numbers. Since like Doc mentioned earlier, PCU usually decline before an expansion, then peak right after(older players checking out new content), then usually level off but at a bit higher rate. Now I haven't looked at the trend for Rubicon but judging by current PCU I don't think it matched that trend. This is also one reason why CCPs new plan of releasing more but smaller expansions concerns me, because I doubt it would drive enough hype and marketing to bring back older players. Again purely speculative, since I haven't checked numbers yet, nor do I plan to. So I could be off. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:12:00 - [30] - Quote Andski wrote: "it's starting to look that way" what Well, take into account that the average age of the voting account increased at CSM, average concurrency is at it's lowest point since Incarna, the sudden interest in reducing costs that previously CCP seemed fine with, and CCP changed it's usual procedure where it published the number of votes for CSM vs the number of accounts eligible to vote. This suggests, but does not prove, that numbers are down. Again, we'll have to wait for June's six month financials to prove it one way or the other, but, as the eight ball would say 'all signs point to yes'.

Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 745	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:16:00 - [31] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Joshua Foiritain wrote: Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then ever before? PCU counts are definitely down on Tranquality (according to eve-offline), we've dipped to 2011 levels, I would expect that count to spike a bit around the next expansion as it usually does, it already appears to be trending back upwards. New eggs also seem to be back to trending upwards. Historically PCU is usually down for the few months leading up to an expansion. The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count. You could draw the conclusion the low PCU count on Tranq means overall subs have also been down, which could potentially affect voting turnout. oooorrr you could conclude that Europe has experiencing awesome weather for this time of year and people are spending more time outside?
Higgs Foton 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 95	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:17:00 - [32] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: Not to mention Eve has a system that actually allows people to play to pay, which can negate the prioritizing income. Coming to that, the steady rising of prices of plex might have an influence as well. If prices stay like they are now or even rise i am going to unsub one of my accounts next month. I am pretty sure a lot of people are doing that as well, leading to dwindling subscription numbers. Snip Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal. Snip Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:29:00 - [33] - Quote Higgs Foton wrote: Coming to that, the steady rising of prices of plex might have an influence as well. If prices stay like they are now or even rise i am going to unsub one of my accounts next month. I am pretty sure a lot of people are doing that as well, leading to dwindling subscription numbers. I hadn't considered that angle, but you're right, that would play into it as well.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5575	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:32:00 - [34] - Quote Joshua Foiritain wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Joshua Foiritain wrote: Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then ever before? PCU counts are definitely down on Tranquality (according to eve-offline), we've dipped to 2011 levels, I would expect that count to spike a bit around the next expansion as it usually does, it already appears to be trending back upwards. New eggs also seem to be back to trending upwards. Historically PCU is usually down for the few months leading up to an expansion. The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count. You could draw the conclusion the low PCU count on Tranq means overall subs have also been down, which could potentially affect voting turnout. oooorrr you could conclude that Europe has experiencing awesome weather for this time of year and people are spending more time outside? Without having the actual sub numbers you can conclude just about anything up to and including aliens. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 591	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:36:00 - [35] - Quote Sato Page wrote: http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/eve-online-may-have-experienced-its.html We would love to know the subscription number of EvE after the CSM9 election. I could see no reason for CCP to withhold this information from its players. I'm sure CCP just over looked this "minor" detail while compiling this year's election report. So yeah...... CCP, if you could just go ahead and tell us the number..... That would be great.... Thanks. Edit1: tl;dr: Until CSM8 CCP releases the percentage of player who participated in the election as well as the total number of subscription on TQ. This year, for the first time, CCP only released the participation percentage but not the total number of subscription. These numbers are not really relevant to game play. Other than to wet your curiosity, what would be the point of knowing them? -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Dave Stark 5492	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:36:00 - [36] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Without having the actual sub numbers you can conclude just about anything up to and including aliens. /or Obama or the return of noel edmunds house party and mr blobby.
Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 745	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:38:00 - [37] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Joshua Foiritain wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Joshua Foiritain wrote: Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then ever before? PCU counts are definitely down on Tranquality (according to eve-offline), we've dipped to 2011 levels, I would expect that count to spike a bit around the next expansion as it usually does, it already appears to be trending back upwards. New eggs also seem to be back to trending upwards. Historically PCU is usually down for the few months leading up to an expansion. The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count. You could draw the conclusion the low PCU count on Tranq means overall subs have also been down, which could potentially affect voting turnout. oooorrr you could conclude that Europe has experiencing awesome weather for this time of year and people are spending more time outside? Without having the actual sub numbers you can conclude just about anything up to and including aliens. /or Obama Dont forget the crab people and the sheeple.
Rainbow Dash Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 121	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:41:00 - [38] - Quote IIshira wrote: In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 840	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:43:00 - [39] - Quote Rainbow Dash wrote: IIshira wrote: In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Of course it has... Obama fixed everything
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:46:00 - [40] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count. Actually, Doc, if you check CCPs financials, they don't. Remember that Serenity is operated by TianCity, not CCP. That's why it's tracked separately. CCP does get income from it, but it's basically a licensing fee.

IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 840	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:50:00 - [41] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Doc Fury wrote: The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count. Actually, Doc, if you check CCPs financials, they don't. Remember that Serenity is operated by TianCity, not CCP. That's why it's tracked separately. CCP does get income from it, but it's basically a licensing fee. Maybe players are being abducted and held in Chinese labor camps forced to play Eve... Someone needs to look into this!
Rainbow Dash Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 121	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:55:00 - [42] - Quote IIshira wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote: IIshira wrote: In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Of course it has... Obama fixed everything Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years, unemployment is down, the dollar is up, by all traditional meterics the economy is far healthier than it was five years ago. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market and is a lizard-man from mars, then you really cant argue with facts (which is what you're trying to do btw).
Prince Kobol 1707	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:59:00 - [43] - Quote Rainbow Dash wrote: IIshira wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote: IIshira wrote: In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Of course it has... Obama fixed everything Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market, then you really cant argue with facts. This is the Eve GD Forums.. people argue with facts all the time lol
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:59:00 - [44] - Quote Rainbow Dash wrote: Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market, then you really cant argue with facts. If you want to argue with facts, I just noticed something interesting reading through CCPs 12 month from last December. You know they only made 4m in profit for the year, but liquidated 24m in assets? (I had other things on my mind in December of last year, so this is news to me)
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5575	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:03:00 - [45] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Doc Fury wrote: The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count. Actually, Doc, if you check CCPs financials, they don't. Remember that Serenity is operated by TianCity, not CCP. That's why it's tracked separately. CCP does get income from it, but it's basically a licensing fee. If I am not mistaken (I sure could be) CCP included Serenity subs in their total sub numbers previously published and that's why I mentioned them. If not, those subs don't matter, as you say. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Yarda Black Epidemic. Nulli Secunda 151	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:06:00 - [46] - Quote You know what? If the number of subs has dropped 80% because of CSM or ... whatever. I'll still log on, undock and do whatever I want. Apparently totally unopposed since everybody has unsubbed. Me and the other 20% will still find each other. And then we're still gonna shoot at each other. TL;DR: Don't care
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 840	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:09:00 - [47] - Quote Rainbow Dash wrote: IIshira wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote: IIshira wrote: In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Of course it has... Obama fixed everything Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years, unemployment is down, the dollar is up, by all traditional meterics the economy is far healthier than it was five years ago. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market and is a lizard-man from mars, then you really cant argue with facts (which is what you're trying to do btw). Did I say anything about lizzard men or Obama controlling the stock market? Just a bit defensive are we? I wonder who you voted for. The economy is getting better but only because it's recovering from a really bad state. If someone knocked all your teeth out then you were fitted with dentures you can't argue the fact that your dental health improved
Rainbow Dash Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 121	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:12:00 - [48] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote: Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market, then you really cant argue with facts. If you want to argue with facts, I just noticed something interesting reading through CCPs 12 month from last December. You know they only made 4m in profit for the year, but liquidated 24m in assets? (I had other things on my mind in December of last year, so this is news to me) I skimmed their 2012 financials and didn't see a 24m liquidation. Any chance you can be more specific? (A page number or section).
Rainbow Dash Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 121	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:16:00 - [49] - Quote IIshira wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote: IIshira wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote: IIshira wrote: In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. The economy has been going up at a rather decent clip over the last 5 years, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Of course it has... Obama fixed everything Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years, unemployment is down, the dollar is up, by all traditional meterics the economy is far healthier than it was five years ago. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market and is a lizard-man from mars, then you really cant argue with facts (which is what you're trying to do btw). Did I say anything about lizzard men or Obama controlling the stock market? Just a bit defensive are we? I wonder who you voted for. The economy is getting better but only because it's recovering from a really bad state. If someone knocked all your teeth out then you were fitted with dentures you can't argue the fact that your dental health improved The Dow Jones Industrial just hit it's all-time high, and all other indexes are near their historical all time highs. To use your analogy, it's like you got in shape, had a bad accident and got all fat and couldn't work out, but now you're back in shape. Sure, the economy crashed in 09, but it has been trending upwards over the last couple years, which is the exact opposite of what you claimed. Oh, and since you're so fixated on it for some reason, I'm a staunch republican, but you can't argue with numbers (well, you can, but rational people can't).
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5575	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:20:00 - [50] - Quote Hey you guys, don't go sticking politics into a perfectly stealth EVE is dying thread. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.

Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 1386	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:21:00 - [51] - Quote Quote: Friday, we were made aware of something that is being considered for Kronos. This was the cause for some genuine debate and discourse for the first time in our tenure, both with CCP and in-between ourselves. IGÇÖm very interested to seeing the player base response to this given that a) I personally consider it a very wise decision and b) itGÇÖs something CCP may need to do again in the coming year. IGÇÖm pleased CCP are looking at this path via consultation with ourselves. I hope the player base understands and agreesGÇª I have faith in you guys! http://crossingzebras.com/csm9-report-week-one/ this doesn't bode well... .
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 5575	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:24:00 - [52] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: this doesn't bode well... Yup, there's tinfoil clearly displayed as the first thing you see in that article. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:28:00 - [53] - Quote Rainbow Dash wrote: I skimmed their 2012 financials and didn't see a 24m liquidation. Any chance you can be more specific? (A page number or section). Look at the 2013 ones. http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf?_ga=1.232594079.1230018860.1385400286 Page 6, check current total assets vs total assets in 2012. Went from 128m to 104m. Further along it estimates they took a $6k loss on asset disposal.
Rainbow Dash Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 121	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:32:00 - [54] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote: I skimmed their 2012 financials and didn't see a 24m liquidation. Any chance you can be more specific? (A page number or section). Look at the 2013 ones. http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf?_ga=1.232594079.1230018860.1385400286 Page 6, check current total assets vs total assets in 2012. Went from 128m to 104m. Further along it estimates they took a $6k loss on asset disposal. Oh yeah, sorry. I read last december as 2012, (like this december being 2013 december and last being 2012). Anyway, ignoring my stupidity, that was the writeoff of World of Darkness. They valued their current game assets and such as worth 24m and just scrapped it, resulting in the 24m loss.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:08:00 - [55] - Quote Rainbow Dash wrote: Oh yeah, sorry. I read last december as 2012, (like this december being 2013 december and last being 2012). Anyway, ignoring my stupidity, that was the writeoff of World of Darkness. They valued their current game assets and such as worth 24m and just scrapped it, resulting in the 24m loss. Np, that doesn't make sense, as they didn't cancel WoD until April of this year so that would be on the 1st half of 2014 financials.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence 562	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:16:00 - [56] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote: Oh yeah, sorry. I read last december as 2012, (like this december being 2013 december and last being 2012). Anyway, ignoring my stupidity, that was the writeoff of World of Darkness. They valued their current game assets and such as worth 24m and just scrapped it, resulting in the 24m loss. Np, that doesn't make sense, as they didn't cancel WoD until April of this year so that would be on the 1st half of 2014 financials. They did, financially. It was the write-off for 2013, not 2014. If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Slade Trillgon Brutor Force Federated 2833	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:25:00 - [57] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the only source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience". True JC Anderson wrote: Sibyyl wrote: I can see how the tutorials and missions can frustrate newcomers. I think that having tutorial videos outside of EVE for complex, multidiscipline activities like PVP is great and very helpful. But when YouTube videos are the only source of information about what you do with all the building blocks of PI, or how to do explo correctly even for a starter mission I think there's something fundamental missing in "New Player Experience". Still, the tutorials are MUCH better than they used to be... And I mean like, leaps and bounds better. Even more true
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:26:00 - [58] - Quote Reiisha wrote: They did, financially. It was the write-off for 2013, not 2014. No, we'd have seen a much larger loss for liquidating it if that was the case (since taking a loss on Liquidations is also reported). I doubt that CCP only valued WoD at 6k dollars. Further, if you go down, it breaks down some of the disposals by category. 1.4m in computer equipment, for example.
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1134	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:27:00 - [59] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: just in case nobody has pointed it out. starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their ** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that ** probably isn't the best way to start a topic. Funny thing is . . . I disagree. It shows that even if you leave Eve. Even if you burn every damn bridge on the way out. You still watch from a distance and still care enough to take part in the meta. Eve has many more players than any sub number would have you believe. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:33:00 - [60] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Eve has many more players than any sub number would have you believe. This may be true, but what it doesn't do is help CCPs bottom line, which (in theory) is their motive for producing new content and operating the game.

Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State 458	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:45:00 - [61] - Quote Based on my own gaming history... EverQuest by Sony Online used to have each and every server have a visible count based upon the number of players on that server at the moment. Sony used to be proud of their increasing subscription number and would splash that ever increasing number whenever given the chance. When Sony began to push their expansions to cater more towards the raiding guilds while the other "lesser" guilds not with the best gear available and still cutting their teeth, much less the casual players in general, began to complain about Norrath becoming lopsided, Sony did not listen. So people began leaving and the numbers showed a drop. Sony reacted by having a gathering of well-known players from their previously held fan fests flown out to California (if I remember) to discuss what can be done to stop the hemorrhaging. Afterwards, Sony listened, for a spell... But then Sony decided they knew what was best and proceeded on their original path. By this time, they were diversifying themselves into other pursuits - EverQuest II and early beta of Planet Side, while their main flag ship game was being "dumbed down" to appeal to greater masses that never arrived. And instead of showing numbers per server, it was changed to "Active". More players were leaving by droves while Sony tried their damnedest to get everyone to be a full life raider. To help that cause, they condensed servers together to promote more gaming together, still without visible numbers. Now while I am not saying the one time CCP does not publish a number does not mean Eve is dying. But there is a reason people study history... ...and to me, I am seeing subtle parallels to my own past history with Eve on its current path.
Prince Kobol 1707	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:50:00 - [62] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Dave Stark wrote: just in case nobody has pointed it out. starting your forum topic with a link to some one's blog who A) no longer plays eve, and B) RMT'd all their ** away before loudly announcing it to the world in a buttmad manner before trying to avoid the door hitting them on the way out.... that ** probably isn't the best way to start a topic. Funny thing is . . . I disagree. It shows that even if you leave Eve. Even if you burn every damn bridge on the way out. You still watch from a distance and still care enough to take part in the meta. Eve has many more players than any sub number would have you believe. m That is a really wonderful way of looking at things, it really is. However there is another game like this Lotro. There are loads of players who still visit forums, still talk about the game they loved via blogs etcs, hell I haven't played Lotro for over 2 years now and I still visit and post on a player run forum regularly as it was a game I loved and is still the only Tolkein based MMO available. The thing is, the really really important thing, is that I do not contribute 1 penny towards that game. The same can be said for all those players who have now left Eve but still talk about it. Financially they contribute nothing and in the CCP's world I pretty damn sure they would prefer people not talking about Eve but paying to play then talking about it and not paying.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:51:00 - [63] - Quote Gutripper, we don't, yet, have solid facts. While I broadly agree with what you're saying, let's wait till we have hard numbers before we start setting up the 'Dinsdale was Right' t-shirt stand.
Thegasp Cupcakes CareBears Gone Dark Pina Colada Armada 6	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:11:00 - [64] - Quote IIshira wrote: The number is probably down and that's why they're keeping it a secret but so what... CCP releases it and all the sudden 100 posts with the topic "I told you this would happen when CCP nerfed sentry drones" appear. In actuality it's probably down because of the economy. I'm not sure about the rest of the world but in the USA it's been on a downhill slide for the past few years. Most people cut stuff like video games and entertainment first. I turned off two of my own accounts for that reason.
Dave Stark 5497	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:14:00 - [65] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Funny thing is . . . I disagree. good to know the CSM are fans of biased and sensationalised sources.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1006	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:37:00 - [66] - Quote I do not see subscriptions spelled out in the financials, but this we can get to it in a sort of "backwards calculation".... at least to see if it is going up or down. When you pay for a subscription, they do not count it immediately as revenue. It is added to something call "deferred revenue". As the time gets "used up", then the deferred revenue moves to actual revenue. So, the changes in deferred revenue is an indication of how many accounts, assuming time remaining on subscriptions is fairly consistant. The there the financial results show an increase from $3.965 million to $4.360 million. An increase of 15%. I see no reason to think people have increased their subscription lengths year over year. There is another category called in-game resources purchased but not uet consumer. That nearly doubled from 1 million to 2 million. My guess is that some of that is PLEX, but the majority is DUST money sitting on account, since DUST doesn't have subscription so won't be in the deferred subscrpition money
Transmaritanus Mafia Redux 133	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:50:00 - [67] - Quote Sato Page wrote: http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/eve-online-may-have-experienced-its.html We would love to know the subscription number of EvE after the CSM9 election. I could see no reason for CCP to withhold this information from its players. I'm sure CCP just over looked this "minor" detail while compiling this year's election report. So yeah...... CCP, if you could just go ahead and tell us the number..... That would be great.... Thanks. Edit1: tl;dr: Until CSM8 CCP releases the number players who participated in the election as well as the total number of subscription on TQ. This year, for the first time, CCP only released the participation number but not the total number of subscription. Hi poetic, nice to see you back
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 1393	Posted - 2014.05.10 19:57:00 - [68] - Quote Sato Page wrote: http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/eve-online-may-have-experienced-its.html We would love to know the subscription number of EvE after the CSM9 election. I could see no reason for CCP to withhold this information from its players. I'm sure CCP just over looked this "minor" detail while compiling this year's election report. So yeah...... CCP, if you could just go ahead and tell us the number..... That would be great.... Thanks. Edit1: tl;dr: Until CSM8 CCP releases the number players who participated in the election as well as the total number of subscription on TQ. This year, for the first time, CCP only released the participation number but not the total number of subscription. Commercially sensitive info, it doesn't make good business sense to release it. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Little Dragon Khamez Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition 1393	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:01:00 - [69] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Sato Page wrote: Joshua Foiritain wrote: Or the more likely option is that subscriber numbers are still going up but even less people give a **** about the CSM then before? In this case, CCP should release the number. Just to kill rumour of this kind. Yup.... The employee who did all the analysis in the blog clearly had the raw number available, but chose not to reveal it. So really only a couple potential reasons why it was not revealed. 1. CCP is going in a new direction and not releasing sub numbers anymore, good or bad. But we have seen zero comments from management as to why that new direction. 2. It was an accidental omission. Reason #2 is utterly implausible, and reason #1, well, why would they suddenly change? And best thing, CCP is doubling down in steering the game in the direction that created this very likely subscription drop. An enormously bad business decision. It's pretty obvious just from the log in that player counts are falling, subscribers are going up though thanks to all of the alts going around, but actual players look like they are in decline. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 12	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:50:00 - [70] - Quote CCP will never ever post those real numbers, cause it would prove they've been lying about numbers all along. no matter how pretty pie charts they create, they know folks are leaving this game as its becoming more cfc eve & goon sec. this is the nail in the coffin. looking forward to the new games coming that way I know where to spend my money. like it or not.. bottom line is ccp needs my money, until they get with their program I'll enjoy watching them starve to death.

Prince Kobol 1707	Posted - 2014.05.10 20:57:00 - [71] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: CCP will never ever post those real numbers, cause it would prove they've been lying about numbers all along. no matter how pretty pie charts they create, they know folks are leaving this game as its becoming more cfc eve & goon sec. this is the nail in the coffin. looking forward to the new games coming that way I know where to spend my money. like it or not.. bottom line is ccp needs my money, until they get with their program I'll enjoy watching them starve to death. Crap. Totally and utter crap. If you are trying to say that the goons are ruining your fun then leave as your the worst kind of player. People may be, may be leaving Eve, but it is nothing to do with the goons or any other player entity. If anything at least the Goons are providing content. The Goons or any other player entity in no way control or effect my enjoyment or lack of it in Eve. The only people who effect my enjoyment are those who work for CCP.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 12	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:00:00 - [72] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: CCP will never ever post those real numbers, cause it would prove they've been lying about numbers all along. no matter how pretty pie charts they create, they know folks are leaving this game as its becoming more cfc eve & goon sec. this is the nail in the coffin. looking forward to the new games coming that way I know where to spend my money. like it or not.. bottom line is ccp needs my money, until they get with their program I'll enjoy watching them starve to death. Crap. Totally and utter crap. If you are trying to say that the goons are ruining your fun then leave as your the worst kind of player. People may be, may be leaving Eve, but it is nothing to do with the goons or any other player entity. If anything at least the Goons are providing content. The Goons or any other player entity in no way control or effect my enjoyment or lack of it in Eve. The only people who effect my enjoyment are those who work for CCP. lol all one has to say is the word goon and they will show up like a street corner preacher. you guys have ruined the game and im not afraid to say it. CCP encouraged bullying to the point they're finally admitting new players are avoiding joining corps and crap due to the utter chit-fest ful drama its all caused.. go chase your blue doughnut and put this game out of its misery.
Prince Kobol 1707	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:09:00 - [73] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Milla Goodpussy wrote: CCP will never ever post those real numbers, cause it would prove they've been lying about numbers all along. no matter how pretty pie charts they create, they know folks are leaving this game as its becoming more cfc eve & goon sec. this is the nail in the coffin. looking forward to the new games coming that way I know where to spend my money. like it or not.. bottom line is ccp needs my money, until they get with their program I'll enjoy watching them starve to death. Crap. Totally and utter crap. If you are trying to say that the goons are ruining your fun then leave as your the worst kind of player. People may be, may be leaving Eve, but it is nothing to do with the goons or any other player entity. If anything at least the Goons are providing content. The Goons or any other player entity in no way control or effect my enjoyment or lack of it in Eve. The only people who effect my enjoyment are those who work for CCP. lol all one has to say is the word goon and they will show up like a street corner preacher. you guys have ruined the game and im not afraid to say it. CCP encouraged bullying to the point they're finally admitting new players are avoiding joining corps and crap due to the utter chit-fest ful drama its all caused.. go chase your blue doughnut and put this game out of its misery. The second you wrote "you guys" shows how little you know and that your opinion bears a striking similarly to my toilet paper after I have used it. Its full of .........
Ahost Gceo Probe Patrol Ixtab. 80	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:12:00 - [74] - Quote How about we just play the game. Nerds. ???
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1007	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:15:00 - [75] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: CCP will never ever post those real numbers, cause it would prove they've been lying about numbers all along. no matter how pretty pie charts they create, they know folks are leaving this game as its becoming more cfc eve & goon sec. this is the nail in the coffin. looking forward to the new games coming that way I know where to spend my money. like it or not.. bottom line is ccp needs my money, until they get with their program I'll enjoy watching them starve to death. The financial results do not align with your assertions. Deferred revenue from subscriptions is up 15% year-over-year. Unless there is reason to think that there are fewer subscribed users, but each has drastically increased the amount of time remaining on their accounts such that it covers up falling subscription numbers, the only viable conclusion from their financial report is that EVE subscriptions are up significantly year-over-year.
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 12	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:16:00 - [76] - Quote Ahost Gceo wrote: How about we just play the game. Nerds. im too busy delivering a carton of milk to a station in order to earn 123 isk and 2 lp's for the moment. the game hasn't began really just sickening boring missions. it's almost as if I get a sense who ever created missions was really ticked off being tasked with it.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1007	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:19:00 - [77] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: People may be, may be leaving Eve, but it is nothing to do with the goons or any other player entity. Based on the 15% increased deferred income in the subscription category, all indications are that subscriptions to EVE are up significantly over the last year. That, or a lot of people have an extra month of subscription than they had last year.
Ahost Gceo Probe Patrol Ixtab. 80	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:21:00 - [78] - Quote Milla Goodpussy wrote: Ahost Gceo wrote: How about we just play the game. Nerds. im too busy delivering a carton of milk to a station in order to earn 123 isk and 2 lp's for the moment. the game hasn't began really just sickening boring missions. it's almost as if I get a sense who ever created missions was really ticked off being tasked with it. So while I'm rolling with my alliance looking for capital ships to inappropriately fondle, I'm looking at your employment history. And what do I see? Little more than one month of total game experience. How about you say "screw it" to missions and go do something with more risk and excitement? It's out there, but YOU have to go find it. If excitement finds you instead, it's never a good thing. ???
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 1007	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:21:00 - [79] - Quote wait... when did they start duel training? If 10% of accounts have activated duel... or even triple toon training, then that could actually account for the 15% increase in deferred income. When you activate, the money goes into deferred, then comes out as used up... so...
Cheng Musana Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens 90	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:37:00 - [80] - Quote This reminds me somehow of a sinking ship (costa concordia) and his captain who left first before any of his passangers. What this basically means is that CCP keeps the decline of subs a secret so that the rest of the players dont run off from the sinking ship before CCP does. Just look what they done with dust, they knew that it was going down but didnt told their players until fanfest (to keep milking them). Another hint for this behaviour is for example the Dust514 login screen, it tells you how many players are online on TQ. ironically this number combines Dust+Eve players online. You surely could go and check how many of that are actual dust players (~3500). CCP calms their players by giving them the illusion that much more players are online. TL;DR -CCP milks dust514 then runs off without telling their players. -CCP milks Eve and runs off (maybe) again without telling any 1 whats going on.

Ahost Gceo Probe Patrol Ixtab. 80	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:46:00 - [81] - Quote Cheng Musana wrote: This reminds me somehow of a sinking ship (costa concordia) and his captain who left first before any of his passangers. What this basically means is that CCP keeps the decline of subs a secret so that the rest of the players dont run off from the sinking ship before CCP does. Just look what they done with dust, they knew that it was going down but didnt told their players until fanfest (to keep milking them). Another hint for this behaviour is for example the Dust514 login screen, it tells you how many players are online on TQ. ironically this number combines Dust+Eve players online. You surely could go and check how many of that are actual dust players (~3500). CCP calms their players by giving them the illusion that much more players are online. TL;DR -CCP milks dust514 then runs off without telling their players. -CCP milks Eve and runs off (maybe) again without telling any 1 whats going on. Considering the massive amount of effort that CCP has made in things such as FanFest, EVE Vegas, the unending expansions and updates...that some exceptionally unsupported tinfoil-hattery right there. CCP has made a massive investment in this player community and they aren't just going to "pull out" because we are their baby. If they pull the plug on EVE, they have no business. ???
Billy Hix Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium 154	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:55:00 - [82] - Quote The numbers are down. I think its madness to try to claim otherwise. For 10 years CCP has crowed at the top of their lungs that they are the only MMO that has constantly grown and to prove it they have always released figures. This year they are silent and hide the figures. Its clear, but is it a big deal? Well not if they can still affords to develop the game. Once the money drops to a certain extent and the game hits maintenance mode then we all need to decide if we are happy with the game as it is or if we want to move on.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2268	Posted - 2014.05.10 21:59:00 - [83] - Quote Highsec pubbies if there was actual data showing that sub numbers are going up and every highsec nerf netted more growth would you all continue to howl that EVE is dieing? Would you all continue to preach that the highsec pubbie rapture isn't a myth? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 15442	Posted - 2014.05.10 22:16:00 - [84] - Quote I don't think its "hi-sec" subs that are at risk. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 486	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:12:00 - [85] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: I do not see subscriptions spelled out in the financials, http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf?_ga=1.124024842.1230018860.1385400286 Page 17. 'Revenue from Subscriptions and In Game Sales' (presumably including plex and Aurum) Which came to 70m or so for 2013. Up from the previous year, by 8m but more than half of it was in the first six months, suggesting that subs dropped off a bit in the second half. Royalties increased over the previous year (probably that increase in subs on Serenity)
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2268	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:13:00 - [86] - Quote Malcanis wrote: I don't think its "hi-sec" subs that are at risk. I don't either but they are the loudest ones. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 486	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:15:00 - [87] - Quote Malcanis wrote: I don't think its "hi-sec" subs that are at risk. Bluntly we don't have good information on who's what where. We're speculating.until the 2014 6 month comes out in June, based on limited info.
General Nusense Not Posting With My Main 139	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:16:00 - [88] - Quote Sato Page wrote: http://nerdsoliloquy.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/eve-online-may-have-experienced-its.html We would love to know the subscription number of EvE after the CSM9 election. I could see no reason for CCP to withhold this information from its players. I'm sure CCP just over looked this "minor" detail while compiling this year's election report. So yeah...... CCP, if you could just go ahead and tell us the number..... That would be great.... Thanks. Edit1: tl;dr: Until CSM8 CCP releases the number players who participated in the election as well as the total number of subscription on TQ. This year, for the first time, CCP only released the participation number but not the total number of subscription. I dont care about the sub numbers, many others feel the same way. Please reword your post. Thanks CCP keep up the good work.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 486	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:17:00 - [89] - Quote General Nusense wrote: I dont care about the sub numbers, many others feel the same way. Please reword your post. Thanks CCP keep up the good work. They should. Lower subs mean less money for developing new stuff for everyone.

ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1314	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:24:00 - [90] - Quote CCP will release those numbers if and when they want to release them. Until the any speculation on thos numbers is nothing more then that: speculation. Thread locked. The Rules: 31. Rumor mongering is prohibited. Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the well being and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department




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