Just another instance of a Goon showing how they have become what they once despised.

CCP can not force us to play, therefore they can not force us to play the way they/some want us to play. Allow us to play the way we want, or we simply stop playing.... and with the 40 million write off for WoD, sub-par revenues from Dust and NEX store, and the debt they were racking up working on those projects, CCP simply can not afford to have the casual players walk away.

If you would actually walk away rather than threaten it every other post, I'm pretty sure that would only get chalked up as a net gain.

You haven't actually shown any of these changes are destroying the game though, just wrecking your little fringe industry bubble.

After cussing at my monitor the other night, my wife who can barely add 2+2, understood the concept of ME 0-10 in 5 minutes. She isn't dumb by any means, but she doesn't get math very easily.

This isn't dumbing the game down, it is opening it to a wider audience.

And she fully understands how those 1-10% levels interact with # of items needed, and batch runs, to create new inflection points?

Somehow, I doubt that someone who couldn't understand 10% * 1/1, 10% * 1/2, 10% * 1/3..... will be understand ceil(5 * .85) = 5, or that she needs to produce billion ISK ships in batches of 20 or more to actually see most of the 85% reduction that the UI indicates she should be getting from -10% research and -5% outpost.

Moving the complexity is NOT removing it.

And, how does the wife that can't add 2+2 feel about research times measured in decades?

Just out of curiosity, have you figured out worse case scenario using the worst rounding error how much extra single batch of something will end up costing you in production?

Like, say, I put on 3 archons instead of a single archon? My BPO are currently ME5, so they will be ME9 1% after the patch. Worse case an extra 12 mil, I think. Not even a significant digit in the job cost.

LoL. Because it is so perfectly reasonable that the BPO that you research for 6 months should be rounded up to one that will take 3 years to research post patch...

And it is so reasonable that people will be cranking out billion ISK ships in batches of 3 or more?

All my accounts are fully unsubbed at this point. The first couple expire in a couple days, and I have 60 days left on a couple that I'd over-subbed for 90 days instead of 30.

You have done nothing to make my friends and I re-consider our decision to cease empire industry. At the last count 15 accounts had been mothballed a few more will go in the coming weeks.

We have one POS remaining to finish off some work and with the delay may add some research jobs but I am not sure any of us can be arsed.

Remember eve is supposed to be fun no matter if you blowing crap up or making ISK from mining, industry and PVE. The changes to Industry in particular the need to have the BPO in the POS makes having a research POS to damn risky. Then you have the need to move BPO's to different system to build so unlock the BPO, undock, pop your BPO is gone. No thanks.

The changes increase the risk for established industry corps based in empire to the point where the risk is too great, the game becomes a job. Why bother? We all have jobs in real life we don't want another.

Not all our accounts have been mothballed some may decided to do some PVE or join a null sec alliance, most have the funds to plex their accounts for a long time. However doing industry in empire, you can shove that where the sun don't shine.

You changes are a mandate for the griefers and bullies of eve to continue their campaign against high sec. No risk griefing for them. You want to fix the game then sodding well fix the game, don't make it even easier for these no risk high reward alts.

You have done nothing to make my friends and I re-consider our decision to cease empire industry.

It is absolutely impossible for you to lose BPO in highsec if you're willing to put in even the slightest bit of effort. Is this what you're complaining about? That you have to actually do something besides sit in a station and push buttons?

But when I made the decision to stop paying to not play because AFK cloaky camping is far too easy

CCP isn't as dumb as you are LHA. There are plenty of people who think it is brilliant, they just have better things to do than copy and paste how they feel over countless pages on 8 different threads. You aren't fooling anybody.

Then you have the need to move BPO's to different system to build so unlock the BPO, undock, pop your BPO is gone. No thanks.

I see rent a troll are in force tonight.

We are complaining that the efforts and risks involved to operate a small industry corp will increase significantly and rewards are going to reduce significantly. We currently move billions worth of materials each week to support the industry corps. We lost a few ships on the way but we have adapted our style of play to compensate for the risks.

Meanwhile your corps and alt corps will be looking at more targets and whilst we would take precautions moving BPO's as I said we don't want to come home to another job of finding a station and then having to move 10 bil of materials just to run a few jobs.

I find you input reflects well on your troll corp. Now please STFU and go troll someone else.

I agree the coming industry overhaul is pretty dismal.

Goons seem to like it. Other people, not so much.

Blob warfare comes to industry.

What the originally proposed changes (teams, unlimited slots, BPO research round up, ME reductions for outposts and large batch runs, etc) did was allow the mega corps, with thousands of toons, capable of running tens of thousands of concurrent jobs, to completely dominate the market and thus crush any smaller corp that could not build in a fully upgraded outpost that was loaded up with all the best teams, then jump freighter to Jita.

No one would have been able to make any manufacturing profit unless they were part of the swarm.

Another goon troll. If you can't contribute to the topic STFU.

I'd argue countering the point that 'no one likes the industry changes but goons' is absolutely contributing to the topic.

I'd argue countering the point that 'no one likes the industry changes but goons' is absolutely contributing to the topic.

Again, as some one on the goon blacklist for lets say previous transgressions and in reality it was a simple misunderstanding

I love the changes as well...how can that be??