+1 here

While it would make sense, it would be a bit out of step with their current habit of splitting skills apart.

Still, its not as if we can launch torpedoes from light missile launchers. The change (and reimbursed SP) would be welcome.

This is something that should have been changed a long time ago.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4528549

+1 even with a failure to use search

You can skip nearly all missile skills and only level up cruise missiles to V with spec, while heavies only reqire level III.

Currently, gunnery is an excessive, SP-absorbing field to invest SP into. To get decent gunnery skills with a pve-ship for example, you need small lasers, med lasers, large lasers V, specs to IV for ALL of those, and a bunch of support skills. (Think it was around 8mil or so total before you can decently use those gunnery skills).

You're going the wrong way around:

Currently, gunnery is an excessive, SP-absorbing field to invest SP into. To get decent gunnery skills with a PVP-ship for example, you need small lasers, med lasers, large lasers V, specs to IV for ALL of those, and a bunch of support skills. (Think it was around 8mil or so total before you can decently use those gunnery skills).

Missiles on the other hand are wonderful, they require a fraction of the training. You can skip nearly all missile skills and only level up cruise missiles to V with spec, while heavies only require level III.

So in order to equalize those two, either use heavy missile spec IV as a prereq for cruise missile spec I - or drop the small-med-large-progression for turrets.

Currently, SP-wise missiles are favorable, when training for PVP fits. Which ironically, missiles are the least liked PVP option

No. Why does everything have to be the same?

No. Why does everything have to be the same?

Blasters require Motion Prediction, rails require Sharpshooter.

There is one drastically major change that will hit TQ with Rubicon: gunnery training no longer needs the previous sizes of guns trained to V to get the next sized up T2 guns. This does bring the gunnery training times more in line with missile training times. However, this creates a new unbalance: it doesn't fix the issue that the base missile skills take twice as long to train as the base skills of a single type of turret. I have some numbers below:



The numbers made sense previously as missiles allowed quicker specialization, but slower generalization. Turrets offered better generalization and slower specialization. Now that turrets get the generalization and specialization it would be nice for missiles to join them. If you could unify the training times missiles and turrets that would finally make these changes complete and restore balance.

Also, if it is possible to decouple the gunnery skills at the same time that would be awesome. So in other words, break small projectile turret in to small autocannon turret and small artillery turret each that takes half as long to train as the unified skill did. This would help people that only want autocaonnon skills because they have no use for artillery skills or the other way around while not penalizing if you want to train both. Both of these changes combined would make gunnery and missiles nearly equal.

In fact, the opposite should happen. Gunnery skills should be split and the training times unified. There are set cases where only one type of turret/launcher needs to be trained. With gunnery you have no choice but to train something you may not want. That is a disadvantage missiles does not have.

Small Missile Systems, Medium Missile Systems, Large Missile Systems, Capital Missile Systems

I do like the fact the mordus ships that are coming are getting increased missile velocity, it was something thats been suggested off and on for ages as a partial fix to the issues missiles have in general.

one thing I've also never understood eve wise with missiles, is after your ship fires them, why the missiles then require the ships guidance and not rely on their own? ie why cant people first a volley, warp to a perch, fire another volley, warp etc? :)

+1 here

bump, please redo missile skill progression much like turrets

I'm personally on the fence because a good point is brought up early in this post talking about the SP sink we call gunnery. Raw SP wise are these 2 skill groups take roughly the equal amount of SP to master the similar class ships?

Can someone post some hard numbers to prove or disprove this. Until then its not going to happen.

This difference is present at every level of missile tier.
Capital: 1,792,000 SP
Large: 1,280,000 SP
Medium: 768,000 SP
Small: 256,000 SP
Total Difference: 4,096,000 SP

Yeah, when you look at the breakdown of support skills between missiles and turrets you have a total of 18 ranks for turrets and 21 for missiles.

Turrets
Rate of Fire: Rank 3
Tracking: Rank 2
Optimal: Rank 2
Falloff: Rank 5
Capacitor: Rank 2
Damage: Rank 4
Total: Rank 18

Missiles
Rate of Fire: Rank 3
Tracking: Rank 7
Optimal: Rank 4
Falloff: Rank 2
Capacitor: N/A
Damage: Rank 5
Total: Rank 21

Why is this being bumped ?