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Dhaq
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Posted - 2014.06.28 22:56:00 -
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Honestly, the fact that this post was not locked within the first page is astounding. The mere idea, let alone how it is being presented, drips of elitism and hypocrisy. Why is it not surprising that this abomination of an idea is put forward by a member of the one group that have stated and shown time and time again that their goal is to ruin the enjoyment, game-play, and interactions of others. Yes, let us silence all those dirty pubbies that want to have their voice heard. Simply outrageous.
The fact that CAOD is used as some kind of evidence that the implementation of this idea would have sweeping changes on the quality of postings is absolutely laughable. This is even noted by our own ISD LackOfFaith in the 14th post of this thread.
I will give you credit for one of the most impressive meta-trolls I have ever seen. Well done. |
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Posted - 2014.07.10 01:59:00 -
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People keep talking about improving the forum quality, but as one other person already noted these forums are one the better ones there is. It is a solution to a problem that really doesn't exist. The restrictions on the CAOD forums makes since because it's a forum about.. Corps, Alliances, and Organizations. This idea is just silly though. The only people this will affect will be new players that don't meet the criteria and do not know any better.
If it goes into effect, all someone has to do is create an Anonymous Posters corp. Then hop over to the recruitment forum and say, "Hey guys here is a safe place to put your posting refugee." And nothing has changed. Or are we not allowed to post there as well unless you have a certain number of members? That would be a hoot wouldn't it.
Maybe we should have different criteria for each sub-forum. Please expand upon your idea and take each sub-forum and list the size of the corporation a player would need to be in to post. At the moment you are just using broad strokes and generalities, which I think makes it a little hard for some of us to get behind.
I'm glad you are back though and I hope you had a wonderful vacation.
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Posted - 2014.07.12 16:38:00 -
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Well unless someone can provide some hard numbers on how much "quality" this change can provide, I personally don't see a point in it. Using CAOD as an example is a bit misleading. In a meta-game of corps/alliances ****-posting and sperging one other, of course there is going to be a lot of ****-posting and troll posts.
When looking at the post from NPC alts and from ones player corps, I'm not really seeing a big difference in the quality to tell you the truth. There are good and bad on both sides. So from my point of view, this change would only do more harm than good. And until we have any kind of real data, this discussion is just opinion vs opinion with nothing to back it up.
Forums that continually try to restrict activity in the name of "quality" generally do not fair well. Neither do those that let posters run wild. There has to be a decent balance, and I think these forums have those right now. |
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Posted - 2014.07.12 18:27:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Dhaq wrote:Well unless someone can provide some hard numbers on how much "quality" this change can provide, I personally don't see a point in it. Using CAOD as an example is a bit misleading. In a meta-game of corps/alliances ****-posting and sperging one other, of course there is going to be a lot of ****-posting and troll posts.
When looking at the post from NPC alts and from ones player corps, I'm not really seeing a big difference in the quality to tell you the truth. There are good and bad on both sides. So from my point of view, this change would only do more harm than good. And until we have any kind of real data, this discussion is just opinion vs opinion with nothing to back it up.
Forums that continually try to restrict activity in the name of "quality" generally do not fair well. Neither do those that let posters run wild. There has to be a decent balance, and I think these forums have those right now. Someone brought this up earlier but, this is pretty much the same thing as companies wanting to continue doing a bad thing because "we don't know" what could happen. I think the example the poster used was the cigarette companies like Philip Morris trying to prevent legislative action with stalling tactics like this.
Whereas tactics like this are used by a vocal minority to push their own ideals even if it doesn't make sense. Similar to how in the US anti-********* activist pushed the idea it caused minorities to go crazy and violent, lead to communism, and would make you go insane and kill your brother. All nonsense of course, just like like this idea that the forums are being overrun with troll posting NPC corp bots 24/7. So much so that the good ideas from fine upstanding player corp members can't even be heard.
If you can get some forum moderators in here to say, "Yeah troll post from NPC corp members that it is a serious problem and something really needs to be done about it." Then I'll say lets talk about how to fix it. Until then you're just taking your opinion on something and pushing an agenda to remove posters because you don't like them. It is a corprotist attitude and very discriminatory toward a portion of the player base. |
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Posted - 2014.07.20 14:39:00 -
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Perhaps the forums should just be switched over to a Plex-To-Post type of system. Paying for your actual account gives you access to the game, but no one ever said that the forums are a "right". If you think about it, the forum is just a different type of game to a number of people here. Some that almost exclusively pay their subscription just to be apart of the forum meta.
Requiring that users pay to use this service would filter out most all of the users you are trying to ban. PLUS it would provide extra income for CCP who could then hire more moderators to make sure that the forums are even more organized than they are now.
Reading over the forums the past couple of days I have so many bad ideas and topics even from so-called "legitimate" corps. I just don't think the ideas in this thread go far enough to combat the situation we are in. |
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:28:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Your concern troll is blatant and we already went over this earlier in the thread an isk/$$$ cost to posting would be a bad thing.
Wasn't really a blatant troll. See I think that's part of the problem, you try to see too many troll post where there are none.
Good luck with your crusade, though. Not that this idea will ever be implemented for the forum as a whole in any way, shape or form. Hey, let's take a forum for the community that only a small number of the player base is active in and try to reduce participation even further. Yeah that's ****** brilliant. |
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Posted - 2014.07.20 18:29:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Your concern troll is blatant and we already went over this earlier in the thread an isk/$$$ cost to posting would be a bad thing.
Wasn't really a blatant troll. See I think that's part of the problem, you try to see too many troll post where there are none.
Good luck with your crusade, though. Hey, let's take a forum for the community that only a small number of the player base is active in and try to reduce participation even further. Yeah that's ****** brilliant. |
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Posted - 2014.07.21 19:10:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Yep we've already been over this not all alts are trolls but, enough are that this change is worth doing. I encourage you to read the thread and post in a coherent manner.
So if a number of players in any corporation are found to be troll posting can we ban all members within that corporation from posting as well?
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Posted - 2014.07.22 02:18:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Dhaq wrote: So if a number of players in any corporation are found to be troll posting can we ban all members within that corporation from posting as well?
Sure once players can create a fresh character that starts in that player corporation, be immune to awoxing, be immune to corporation theft, be immune to war declarations, be recyclable without any significant cost, and be used to troll to the point they degrade the quality of the forum. Until then no.
Other than starting location, the rest of your points do not apply to an alt that is made and simply joins some random corp. So the argument is weak. |
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:06:00 -
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admiral root wrote:I don't like what you're saying, therefore you must be a troll?
Almost 50 pages summed up in one sentence.
A fun statistic, almost 1/3 of the post in this thread are by one person saying exactly what you just said.
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Posted - 2014.07.22 18:23:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Dhaq wrote:admiral root wrote:I don't like what you're saying, therefore you must be a troll? Almost 50 pages summed up in one sentence. A fun statistic, almost 1/3 of the post in this thread are by one person saying exactly what you just said. All those people arguing with La Nariz are one person?
No but the almost 300 post made by La Nariz are.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 15:45:00 -
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I'd rather CCP allow community managers to simply hand out 30 day bans on the entire account if slot is being used as a constant blatant troll account. This was discussed a billion pages back about the possible disadvantages of giving more powerful tools to the moderators, so there is that issue. But I'd much rather have that over a blanket ban on a large subset of the population.
If CCP is truly committed to cleaning up the forums, then they should dedicate more resources and people to bringing it up to the state that they want it. We're not talking about pulling game developers off and putting them to work moderating the forums, so don't even start in with that "I'd rather them fix the game than worry about the forums" nonsense.
Implementing some contrived half-ass measure that does nothing but punish a large portion of the player base is worse than doing nothing. I would hope CCP can see the problem in implementing these types of knee-jerk reactionary ideas by now. |
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Posted - 2014.07.23 16:28:00 -
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La Nariz wrote: No because then you get a cesspit like kugu that actively drives people away and looks horrible to the outside looking in crowd that has been so beneficial to EVE like national news agencies. EVE-O isn't there yet but, its quickly approaching that level of terrible. It makes the most sense to put in a filter like this, one that has been tested, and enact other small changes to fix the problem.
Are we looking at the same forums? Can you provide some examples of how NPC troll alts are causing the EVE-O forums to "quickly approach that level of terrible"? Am I just blind to all these posts?
You continue to repeat the same mantra about how god awful the quality is here and it is just completely baffling to me.
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Posted - 2014.07.23 20:37:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Disagreeing with a bad idea isn't trolling, it's disagreeing with a bad idea.
100% agree
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Dhaq
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Posted - 2014.07.24 14:37:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:La Nariz wrote:.
Unlike NPC corporations player corporations have far more constraints and the effects of bad posting can be a self moderating force. Which is one of the many reasons why NPC corporations need to have their posting abilities restricted. There is plenty of evidence from those of us that read the forums regularly that members of your very alliance frequently troll the forums, so no your alliance isn't self moderating at all. If you want to keep debating the issue you have to get the goonspiracy out of your arguments, it only serves to show that there isn't so much opposition against my idea as there is against the person who posted it.
I'm sorry but the GRR GOONS shield does not protect you from the point he was making. Player corporations do not have "far more" constraints and are not a "self moderating force".
If you want to keep making baseless claims without any evidence to back them up, it only serves to show that there isn't so much merit to your ideas as there is trollish intent. |
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Posted - 2014.07.24 16:18:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Its ad hom it does not in any way target my argument and instead targets me. Fine you can insult me all you want but, that means there's no opposition to my idea.
No, the comment specifically mentions the alliance that you happen to be a part of, not you.
So let's recap:
1) You make a bold suggestion to ban a large number of forum users, and force them into some alternate game play that they obviously do not care for.
2) You provide no evidence, other than your opinion, to support your idea that NPC corps are lowering the quality of the forum. So much in fact, that every last one of them should all be banned.
Now if you were to go through and get a detailed number of threads and post and be able to give actual hard numbers on how NPC corps are lowering the quality maybe your idea wouldn't seem so absurd. All this information is freely available for you to go gather, organize and submit before us. But you haven't. And you won't. So why on earth should an idea that negatively affects so many people be taken seriously or even considered when the presenter and those few in agreement cannot be bothered to put a tiny bit of effort into backing up your claim.
So, no. You are not under attack. Your ridiculous idea is. |
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