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Z0MBlE	Posted - 2006.05.30 17:26:00 - [1] I would like a clarification and ruling on a recent event. While undocking and subsequent run to ZXIC gate I was attacked and podded by an AXIOM force in KDF. I had announced my presence in local as an ISS law abiding friend and pilot. As I left from a market (Badger II) run at ISS Marginis (KDF) where I sell merchandise I spotted a small gate camp of Axiom at the ZXIC gate. I had previously checked the ASCN standing board. AWSOME board Celestial Horizon has put together there by the by. Anyway the board showed them ISS friendly. Per ASCN standings post as a -5 target I am subject to being hunted. Per ISS law attacks upon NAP'd haulers in they're sovereign space is considered piracy and those of us considering ourselves friends are NOT expected to initiate hostilities there. 1.Does ASCN/AXIOM wish to ammend the posted standings change rules? Was this an unmarked warzone and do ASCN/AXIOM recognize ISS rules for friendlies in they're space? 2.Will ISS ammend they're rules and allow NAP'd alliances to pursue personal standings in ISSN protected space? Can we then prosecute targets freely in KDF/ZXIC? Will the ISSN take a position on this small event with ASCN/AXIOM and get me reimbursement for my ship and cargo? I must admit I find the whole situation rather amusing. All those of you who profess non-NBSI policies lets hear how this would work? I just sell ammo to NPC hunters so the hauler and contents are of little total value. However the political possibilities of this event are most interesting.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.05.30 17:42:00 - [2] Edited by: Grimpak on 30/05/2006 17:43:37 even if ASCN has close ties with AXIOM, I belive that they don't follow the same standings as we do, so don't take our (ASCN's) standings page as the same for AXE. ...this is just me talking tho, so I might be wrong. PS: are you (Z0MBIE) in a PC or NPC corp? ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Coahim Madden	Posted - 2006.05.30 17:44:00 - [3] Edited by: Coahim Madden on 30/05/2006 17:44:47 Quote: -5.0 Curse Coalition CC 21-May-06 Shot at AXE & ASCN Quote: -5.0 Your just a political enemy. ASCN may or may not be activetly "hunting" you. You will be fired on in all of 0.0. that means yes you will be shot afaik. ------- Theres 2 kinds of people in the world. 1. Those that need closure
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.05.30 17:47:00 - [4] Well since it was an AXIOM gank squad it has really nothing todo with ASCN. As fare as i know ASCN dont pirate or shoot neutrals.. I take it it was prop DDC who killed you and well you can prop try to ask for reimbursment but i doubt you will get any since DDC is preatty busy watching Evol movies Omg i didnt say that out loud Omg i broke our corp rule but since its summer and i just saw a naked picture of steel rat and well he was kind of cute i think im alloved
Coahim Madden	Posted - 2006.05.30 17:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Well since it was an AXIOM gank squad it has really nothing todo with ASCN. As fare as i know ASCN dont pirate or shoot neutrals.. I take it it was prop DDC who killed you and well you can prop try to ask for reimbursment but i doubt you will get any since DDC is preatty busy watching Evol movies Omg i didnt say that out loud Omg i broke our corp rule but since its summer and i just saw a naked picture of steel rat and well he was kind of cute i think im alloved Ok next time use your diary for that. ------- Theres 2 kinds of people in the world. 1. Those that need closure
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.05.30 17:55:00 - [6] Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 30/05/2006 17:56:00 Originally by: Coahim Madden Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Well since it was an AXIOM gank squad it has really nothing todo with ASCN. As fare as i know ASCN dont pirate or shoot neutrals.. I take it it was prop DDC who killed you and well you can prop try to ask for reimbursment but i doubt you will get any since DDC is preatty busy watching Evol movies Omg i didnt say that out loud Omg i broke our corp rule but since its summer and i just saw a naked picture of steel rat and well he was kind of cute i think im alloved Ok next time use your diary for that. Dear Sir, sorry if my spelling sucks.. When i die ill try to be reincarnated in an english speaking country so i dont offend you next time Edit: I have no idea how i actually manage to spell reincarnated
TheKiller8	Posted - 2006.05.30 18:14:00 - [7] Pff it has been known for ages that ASCN harbors horrible 0.4 roaming warpcore stabbing griefers. See: Quote: 2005.05.17 21:51:00 Victim: Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Knights of Chaos Destroyed Type: Procurer Solar System: Nasesharafa System Security Level: 0.2 Involved parties: Name: TheKiller8 (laid the final blow) Security Status: -0.1 Alliance: Ascendant Frontier Corporation: Eve Defence Force Ship Type: Scorpion Weapon Type: Bane Torpedo I Destroyed items: Type: Strip Miner I (Fitted - High slot) Type: Small Capacitor Battery I (Fitted - Medium slot) Type: Basic Power Diagnostic System (Fitted - Low slot) Type: Radiant Hemorphite (Cargo) Quantity: 333 So stop complaining and start arming yourself. .: Click 2 See My Flash Animations :.
NereSky	Posted - 2006.05.30 18:21:00 - [8] Edited by: NereSky on 30/05/2006 18:21:24 Originally by: TheKiller8 Pff it has been known for ages that ASCN harbors horrible 0.4 roaming warpcore stabbing griefers. See: Quote: 2005.05.17 21:51:00 Victim: Alliance: Unknown Corporation: Knights of Chaos Destroyed Type: Procurer Solar System: Nasesharafa System Security Level: 0.2 Involved parties: Name: TheKiller8 (laid the final blow) Security Status: -0.1 Alliance: Ascendant Frontier Corporation: Eve Defence Force Ship Type: Scorpion Weapon Type: Bane Torpedo I Destroyed items: Type: Strip Miner I (Fitted - High slot) Type: Small Capacitor Battery I (Fitted - Medium slot) Type: Basic Power Diagnostic System (Fitted - Low slot) Type: Radiant Hemorphite (Cargo) Quantity: 333 So stop complaining and start arming yourself. Id be chuffed to bits to be ganked by thekiller8 tbh :)
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2006.05.30 18:23:00 - [9] Alert ISS. If ASCN is really doing gate camps in ISS sovereign space, ISS will sort it out themselves. ---- Cultural Advisor of the Omber Administration
Adhamhnon	Posted - 2006.05.30 18:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Z0MBlE I would like a clarification and ruling on a recent event. While undocking and subsequent run to ZXIC gate I was attacked and podded by an AXIOM force in KDF. I had announced my presence in local as an ISS law abiding friend and pilot. As I left from a market (Badger II) run at ISS Marginis (KDF) where I sell merchandise I spotted a small gate camp of Axiom at the ZXIC gate. I had previously checked the ASCN standing board. AWSOME board Celestial Horizon has put together there by the by. Anyway the board showed them ISS friendly. Per ASCN standings post as a -5 target I am subject to being hunted. Per ISS law attacks upon NAP'd haulers in they're sovereign space is considered piracy and those of us considering ourselves friends are NOT expected to initiate hostilities there. 1.Does ASCN/AXIOM wish to ammend the posted standings change rules? Was this an unmarked warzone and do ASCN/AXIOM recognize ISS rules for friendlies in they're space? 2.Will ISS ammend they're rules and allow NAP'd alliances to pursue personal standings in ISSN protected space? Can we then prosecute targets freely in KDF/ZXIC? Will the ISSN take a position on this small event with ASCN/AXIOM and get me reimbursement for my ship and cargo? I must admit I find the whole situation rather amusing. All those of you who profess non-NBSI policies lets hear how this would work? I just sell ammo to NPC hunters so the hauler and contents are of little total value. However the political possibilities of this event are most interesting. You are -5.0 to ASCN. Therefore you will be shot in 0.0. We are friendly to ISS, you aren't in ISS. Pretty simple really.
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.05.30 18:28:00 - [11] Edited by: BoinKlasik on 30/05/2006 18:28:58 I belive ISS talked to us about it yesterday, talk to your directors if it has been sorted out (@ ISS poster). Heard it mentioned on TS. But I havent a clue. I resmeble that gank squad! Originally by: Adhamhnon snip You are -5.0 to ASCN. Therefore you will be shot in 0.0. We are friendly to ISS, you aren't in ISS. Pretty simple really. I think hes talking about how this may effect ISS standings toward us if we go around messing w/ their laws in their space. doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Choralone	Posted - 2006.05.30 18:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 30/05/2006 17:56:00 Originally by: Coahim Madden Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Well since it was an AXIOM gank squad it has really nothing todo with ASCN. As fare as i know ASCN dont pirate or shoot neutrals.. I take it it was prop DDC who killed you and well you can prop try to ask for reimbursment but i doubt you will get any since DDC is preatty busy watching Evol movies Omg i didnt say that out loud Omg i broke our corp rule but since its summer and i just saw a naked picture of steel rat and well he was kind of cute i think im alloved Ok next time use your diary for that. Dear Sir, sorry if my spelling sucks.. When i die ill try to be reincarnated in an english speaking country so i dont offend you next time Edit: I have no idea how i actually manage to spell reincarnated Actually he wasn't commenting on your spelling or language abilities - a diary is for recording your private thoughts, like your feelings about a naked Steelrat. Though if you had a dictionary I guess you would have known what a diary was.
Josiah Bartlet	Posted - 2006.05.30 18:31:00 - [13] A Tyrell Character, lol. Not too mention, you are clearly an alt of an older player, so why not use your real character if you wanted to express this outrage so much? --- SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR
phredrik	Posted - 2006.05.30 18:47:00 - [14] I assume you don't want to post how it was worked out. Did this guy get his stuff back or what ?
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.05.30 18:49:00 - [15] Edited by: BoinKlasik on 30/05/2006 18:54:42 Originally by: phredrik I assume you don't want to post how it was worked out. Did this guy get his stuff back or what ? If that was directed at me, I DONT know how it was worked out, hence reccomending the ISS guy talk to his directors. edit: just realized it was IAC that posted that stuff instead of ISS, im incapable of reading anything but the first word. doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Z0MBlE	Posted - 2006.05.30 20:10:00 - [16] Edited by: Z0MBlE on 30/05/2006 20:13:53 Originally by: Josiah Bartlet A Tyrell Character, lol. Not too mention, you are clearly an alt of an older player, so why not use your real character if you wanted to express this outrage so much? Because it happened to this character. Its no outrage. Its either a boo boo on the part of Axiom or we CC should also be allowed to excercise our NBSI policy in the same ISS space. The clarification request allows me to understand whom we can shoot at in this area if anyone. FYI - ASCN you might want to reword that post about the standings or put a disclaimer on the standings page that AXIOM don't follow your standings if thatis the case. Just read as is it seems to suggest this is the case. As we are -5 to ASCN due to a similar standings mix up between our partner alliance. You can see how these confusions can grow into potential issue when others may not understand you don't run 100% mirrored standings lists. Many on this thread already correctly realized what I was reffering too. I was hoping to see an ISS point of view as Zombie has not yet recieved any disposition. However, it should be properly noted that Count Tassesine himself personally acknoledged the report when I sent it from this unknown alt character. That says volumes as to ISS credibility towards they're charter. Much respect to the ISS.
DeathGrip	Posted - 2006.05.30 22:45:00 - [17] Just pointing out a few things. A) You are - to AXE and ASCN you said that yourself, you are in 0.0 space, what do you expect. So why would this be considered pirating to those above. B) We did not do a gate camp, we went through the system on our way to your systems. You happend to be at a gate, we shot you down, personally in 0.0 if i find you and you are -I die or kill you, dont' know many alliances that dont do this. C) Again this had nothing to do with Pirating, he said himself he is negative standings to ASCN/AXE.
Z0MBlE	Posted - 2006.05.30 23:39:00 - [18] Originally by: DeathGrip Just pointing out a few things. A) You are - to AXE and ASCN you said that yourself, you are in 0.0 space, what do you expect. So why would this be considered pirating to those above. B) We did not do a gate camp, we went through the system on our way to your systems. You happend to be at a gate, we shot you down, personally in 0.0 if i find you and you are -I die or kill you, dont' know many alliances that dont do this. C) Again this had nothing to do with Pirating, he said himself he is negative standings to ASCN/AXE. A. I expect our fellow friends in the ISS to treat me the same as they do you. It appears they have actually done so as not only did they acknowledge the petition but your parties acknowledge having been contacted by them. B. I have no problem with you shooting anyone you please. I would be happy to have been able to do the same thing to those on my neg standings. It wasn't a complaint. C. Its nothing to do with NBSI policy in 0.0 We run the same one you do. ISS however, consider firing on a NAP'd hauler in they're space as "piracy" regardless of standings you have to the hauler. This is why I don't get to shoot haulers in that area. You sir, are in fact guilty of piracy incurred in the ISS Soveriegn system of KDF under ISS rules and regulations. Its nothing personal and I don't care about the hauler. I do care about the rules either being enforced or discarded. In any case equal for me as you.
Darpz	Posted - 2006.05.30 23:54:00 - [19] but pirating around ISS is just so much fun The only good fix is a DEAD fix
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2006.05.30 23:58:00 - [20] Axiom will attack neutrals in 0.0... They had a bubble camp near HED this weekend, NBSI style... Just get used to it, they arent 'friendly'... Ison's notches
Jesus	Posted - 2006.05.31 00:01:00 - [21] what we can actually dock at ISS outposts. everyone i have tried i have been denied
Hawkings SJ	Posted - 2006.05.31 00:15:00 - [22] Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 31/05/2006 00:19:56 Originally by: Z0MBlE Originally by: DeathGrip Just pointing out a few things. A) You are - to AXE and ASCN you said that yourself, you are in 0.0 space, what do you expect. So why would this be considered pirating to those above. B) We did not do a gate camp, we went through the system on our way to your systems. You happend to be at a gate, we shot you down, personally in 0.0 if i find you and you are -I die or kill you, dont' know many alliances that dont do this. C) Again this had nothing to do with Pirating, he said himself he is negative standings to ASCN/AXE. A. I expect our fellow friends in the ISS to treat me the same as they do you. It appears they have actually done so as not only did they acknowledge the petition but your parties acknowledge having been contacted by them. B. I have no problem with you shooting anyone you please. I would be happy to have been able to do the same thing to those on my neg standings. It wasn't a complaint. C. Its nothing to do with NBSI policy in 0.0 We run the same one you do. ISS however, consider firing on a NAP'd hauler in they're space as "piracy" regardless of standings you have to the hauler. This is why I don't get to shoot haulers in that area. You sir, are in fact guilty of piracy incurred in the ISS Soveriegn system of KDF under ISS rules and regulations. Its nothing personal and I don't care about the hauler. I do care about the rules either being enforced or discarded. In any case equal for me as you. As a great man once said : "Yap, Yap, Yap."
Pride NL	Posted - 2006.05.31 00:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Z0MBlE I would like a clarification and ruling on a recent event. While undocking and subsequent run to ZXIC gate I was attacked and podded by an AXIOM force in KDF. I had announced my presence in local as an ISS law abiding friend and pilot. As I left from a market (Badger II) run at ISS Marginis (KDF) where I sell merchandise I spotted a small gate camp of Axiom at the ZXIC gate. I had previously checked the ASCN standing board. AWSOME board Celestial Horizon has put together there by the by. Anyway the board showed them ISS friendly. Per ASCN standings post as a -5 target I am subject to being hunted. Per ISS law attacks upon NAP'd haulers in they're sovereign space is considered piracy and those of us considering ourselves friends are NOT expected to initiate hostilities there. 1.Does ASCN/AXIOM wish to ammend the posted standings change rules? Was this an unmarked warzone and do ASCN/AXIOM recognize ISS rules for friendlies in they're space? 2.Will ISS ammend they're rules and allow NAP'd alliances to pursue personal standings in ISSN protected space? Can we then prosecute targets freely in KDF/ZXIC? Will the ISSN take a position on this small event with ASCN/AXIOM and get me reimbursement for my ship and cargo? I must admit I find the whole situation rather amusing. All those of you who profess non-NBSI policies lets hear how this would work? I just sell ammo to NPC hunters so the hauler and contents are of little total value. However the political possibilities of this event are most interesting. To my knowledge, all systems with ISS stations in it are DMZ for everyone, including blues. And also, ISS should react on these events, according to their charter anyhow.
CYVOK	Posted - 2006.05.31 00:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Z0MBlE I would like a clarification and ruling on a recent event. While undocking and subsequent run to ZXIC gate I was attacked and podded by an AXIOM force in KDF. I had announced my presence in local as an ISS law abiding friend and pilot. As I left from a market (Badger II) run at ISS Marginis (KDF) where I sell merchandise I spotted a small gate camp of Axiom at the ZXIC gate. I had previously checked the ASCN standing board. AWSOME board Celestial Horizon has put together there by the by. Anyway the board showed them ISS friendly. Per ASCN standings post as a -5 target I am subject to being hunted. Per ISS law attacks upon NAP'd haulers in they're sovereign space is considered piracy and those of us considering ourselves friends are NOT expected to initiate hostilities there. 1.Does ASCN/AXIOM wish to ammend the posted standings change rules? Was this an unmarked warzone and do ASCN/AXIOM recognize ISS rules for friendlies in they're space? 2.Will ISS ammend they're rules and allow NAP'd alliances to pursue personal standings in ISSN protected space? Can we then prosecute targets freely in KDF/ZXIC? Will the ISSN take a position on this small event with ASCN/AXIOM and get me reimbursement for my ship and cargo? I must admit I find the whole situation rather amusing. All those of you who profess non-NBSI policies lets hear how this would work? I just sell ammo to NPC hunters so the hauler and contents are of little total value. However the political possibilities of this event are most interesting. ASCN & AXE will shoot all players with hostile standings reguardless of ISS local policies. Just because ISS has an outpost in that system dosen't mean your safe in it.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.05.31 00:52:00 - [25] I dont know what happened but in general, anyone whos not born yesterday knows that waving a hauler in front of pvp gang without being 100% sure of positive standings = bad idea. Tbh I suspect you simply saw fit in sacrificing your hauler just to stir some sht up on the forums... Quote:* I had previously checked the ASCN standing board. [...] Per ASCN standings post as a -5 target I am subject to being hunted. I mean comon you said you realised that your standings wer -5 yet you still went to gate? Naughty, naughty... - Gob [IXC] Admiral Goberius
DTee	Posted - 2006.05.31 01:00:00 - [26] Edited by: DTee on 31/05/2006 01:01:17 Originally by: Pride NL Originally by: Z0MBlE I would like a clarification and ruling on a recent event. While undocking and subsequent run to ZXIC gate I was attacked and podded by an AXIOM force in KDF. I had announced my presence in local as an ISS law abiding friend and pilot. As I left from a market (Badger II) run at ISS Marginis (KDF) where I sell merchandise I spotted a small gate camp of Axiom at the ZXIC gate. I had previously checked the ASCN standing board. AWSOME board Celestial Horizon has put together there by the by. Anyway the board showed them ISS friendly. Per ASCN standings post as a -5 target I am subject to being hunted. Per ISS law attacks upon NAP'd haulers in they're sovereign space is considered piracy and those of us considering ourselves friends are NOT expected to initiate hostilities there. 1.Does ASCN/AXIOM wish to ammend the posted standings change rules? Was this an unmarked warzone and do ASCN/AXIOM recognize ISS rules for friendlies in they're space? 2.Will ISS ammend they're rules and allow NAP'd alliances to pursue personal standings in ISSN protected space? Can we then prosecute targets freely in KDF/ZXIC? Will the ISSN take a position on this small event with ASCN/AXIOM and get me reimbursement for my ship and cargo? I must admit I find the whole situation rather amusing. All those of you who profess non-NBSI policies lets hear how this would work? I just sell ammo to NPC hunters so the hauler and contents are of little total value. However the political possibilities of this event are most interesting. To my knowledge, all systems with ISS stations in it are DMZ for everyone, including blues. And also, ISS should react on these events, according to their charter anyhow. This is offtopic but nice try on ripping off the dice sigs funny thats smiliar to a sample i saw. You do need more practise though.
Afrodite Etnellag	Posted - 2006.05.31 01:12:00 - [27] Originally by: CYVOK ASCN & AXE will shoot all players with hostile standings reguardless of ISS local policies. Just because ISS has an outpost in that system dosen't mean your safe in it. Huh? so you demand your blues that travel your space not to shoot their enemys, ( they are allowed to shoot your enemys only ) but you do not respect ISS rules which are preaty much the same as yours? I do not get it. it seems to me that you do not give a crap about ISS policies, do you? But hey you have docking rights, lets see how you 'll feel when you docking rights go I am a shareholder of ISS and i will demand the rules to apply on all Tata
Princess Alvilda	Posted - 2006.05.31 01:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Afrodite Etnellag Originally by: CYVOK ASCN & AXE will shoot all players with hostile standings reguardless of ISS local policies. Just because ISS has an outpost in that system dosen't mean your safe in it. Huh? so you demand your blues that travel your space not to shoot their enemys, ( they are allowed to shoot your enemys only ) but you do not respect ISS rules which are preaty much the same as yours? I do not get it. it seems to me that you do not give a crap about ISS policies, do you? But hey you have docking rights, lets see how you 'll feel when you docking rights go I am a shareholder of ISS and i will demand the rules to apply on all Tata go enforce your rules then lol
Troye	Posted - 2006.05.31 01:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Z0MBlE I must admit I find the whole situation rather amusing. All those of you who profess non-NBSI policies lets hear how this would work? I just sell ammo to NPC hunters so the hauler and contents are of little total value. However the political possibilities of this event are most interesting. A hauler gets shot down by a PvP gang with -5 standings and this has political implications? _______________________________________________
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.05.31 01:31:00 - [30] Originally by: CYVOK Originally by: Z0MBlE I would like a clarification and ruling on a recent event. While undocking and subsequent run to ZXIC gate I was attacked and podded by an AXIOM force in KDF. I had announced my presence in local as an ISS law abiding friend and pilot. As I left from a market (Badger II) run at ISS Marginis (KDF) where I sell merchandise I spotted a small gate camp of Axiom at the ZXIC gate. I had previously checked the ASCN standing board. AWSOME board Celestial Horizon has put together there by the by. Anyway the board showed them ISS friendly. Per ASCN standings post as a -5 target I am subject to being hunted. Per ISS law attacks upon NAP'd haulers in they're sovereign space is considered piracy and those of us considering ourselves friends are NOT expected to initiate hostilities there. 1.Does ASCN/AXIOM wish to ammend the posted standings change rules? Was this an unmarked warzone and do ASCN/AXIOM recognize ISS rules for friendlies in they're space? 2.Will ISS ammend they're rules and allow NAP'd alliances to pursue personal standings in ISSN protected space? Can we then prosecute targets freely in KDF/ZXIC? Will the ISSN take a position on this small event with ASCN/AXIOM and get me reimbursement for my ship and cargo? I must admit I find the whole situation rather amusing. All those of you who profess non-NBSI policies lets hear how this would work? I just sell ammo to NPC hunters so the hauler and contents are of little total value. However the political possibilities of this event are most interesting. ASCN & AXE will shoot all players with hostile standings reguardless of ISS local policies. Just because ISS has an outpost in that system dosen't mean your safe in it. Cyvok I love it when you talk dirty.

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