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Delhaven
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Posted - 2014.05.17 23:54:00 -
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CCP Seagull wrote:There are some people who make things work - they pre-fit ships for a fleet op, they run mega-spreadsheets for the industry production lines needed to equip the war effort, build tools to manage a corporation or command large fleets. Their activities enable others to have fun in EVE. So... these changes help these folks how?
To me, at least making them take large rigs would be a big help. What's the point of adding flexibility to ships, if the cost makes it too expensive to change them? Capital-sized rigs mean people will rig once, and never change them again. |
Delhaven
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Posted - 2014.05.18 15:21:00 -
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Just to make sure I've got this straight for Freighters (all numbers are rough and relative to current):
Option 1, 3 x cargo rigs: +70K m3 cargo, -12K EHP Option 2, 3 x warp speed rigs: +0.78 AU/sec, -210K m3 cargo, -9K EHP Option 3, 3 x hull HP rigs: +29K EHP, -250K m3 cargo Option 4, 1 x hull HP rig, 2 x cargo rigs: -40K m3 cargo
This is a nerf. You can slightly improve one stat, at a high cost to one other, or at a decrease in multiple stats. Maintaining the status quo for defense means a drop in cargo. So the question is whether this is as intended, like it is with Jump Freighters. |
Delhaven
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Posted - 2014.05.19 15:57:00 -
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Aerissa Nolen wrote:I've been working on a web tool to help wrap my head around these changes. Fairly limited right now but gets some basic info across. Works in IGB as well, does not require trust. http://xyjax.com/optimizer_kronos/index.html Thank you. This has been really useful to try and figure out how to best deal with these... changes.
One upside to this: I'll be able to get my Obelisk up to 1.93 AU/sec, which reduces the worst part of freighting. Sure I lose a third of my cargo capacity, but who moves big volumes of stuff with a freighter anyway?
I can't wait to see what Black Frog will be doing with this. I feel bad for the folks there who will have to come up with the new load limits. |
Delhaven
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Posted - 2014.05.20 01:31:00 -
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Delhaven wrote:I can't wait to see what Black Frog will be doing with this. I feel bad for the folks there who will have to come up with the new load limits. Interesting. Does that mean they're requiring all of their pilots to spend 140M ISK on a pair of Cargohold Optimization Rigs to reach that volume?
I'd have guessed that they'd have dropped it to 500K m3 to accommodate all of the various rigging options. |
Delhaven
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:41:00 -
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Some random thoughts:
1. Why not just nerf capital cargohold rigs and increase the base amount of cargo space on Freighters and Jump Freighters? They only other ship that they might get used on is the Rorqual, but it's due for a rebalance soon anyway and it could be accommodated then.
2. Will the Orca be getting capital-sized rigs next? It is, after all, also a capital ship. If not, can this exception also be used with Freighters and Jump Freighters so that they can also use large rigs? I like the idea of being able to customize my freighters, and having spent most of yesterday playing with the numbers, I'm not completely opposed to the changes as they stand. My beef is that the cost of capital rigs will eliminate any flexibility.
3. Can the Freighter and Jump Freighter changes be put off until after the big industry patch? With the changes in refining, IGÇÖm guessing there will be a lot more ore moved, and a lot less minerals. Personally, IGÇÖd like to see how the market shakes out before I commit to spending a couple of hundred million ISK on rigs only to find out IGÇÖll have to change them later because the economy is completely different. |
Delhaven
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Posted - 2014.05.20 17:59:00 -
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Aerissa Nolen wrote:I have a really simple suggestion to help with the cargo issue, assuming that CCP did not intend to nerf cargo capacity for the general use-case. (EDIT: I have updated my optimizer tool (see my sig) with a button that lets you try out these changes).
Give T1 freighters 250 calibration instead of 400. This would allow a T1 freighter to fit no more than 1 T1 and 1 T2 cargo rig at maximum. You could not have 2 x T2 rigs OR 3 x T1 rigs (or 2 x T2 + 1 T1). Then re-up the base cargo sizes by 50,000m3 from the current suggested values to compensate for not being able to use 3 cargo rigs.
Most other rigs of interest for a T1 freighter are 50/75 calibration and will fit just fine within the 250 limit. The only ones at 100/150 are the aux thrusters and polycarbons, but I see no reason they can't have the same restricted use as the cargoholds since base agility/velocity is not changing on T1 freighters anyway.
This may have been suggested elsewhere, but it would be a really simple change to the proposal. Here is what the sizing would look like in this case, based on max skills:
[Numbers] This seems like a pretty simple and elegant solution. I like it.
EDIT: Brilliant tool, by the way. |
Delhaven
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Posted - 2014.05.22 00:26:00 -
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Aerissa Nolen wrote:http://xyjax.com/optimizer_kronos/Has been updated to replace rigs with cargo expander mods and the new base stats. Other mods to come "soon" as I get a chance to tinker. For those who want to play with the numbers. |
Delhaven
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Posted - 2014.05.22 01:34:00 -
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Rowells wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Ben Hatton wrote:Rowells wrote:Has anyone run the numbers on the total value a fully tanked a anshar can hold now? 121,167 m3 with Bulkhead IIs giving it 662,692 EHP http://xyjax.com/optimizer_kronos/ With max skills it's giving me 712,327 EHP Flying fortress trucking its way to Jita! Sorry, meant to know what value the ship can hold in isk before it's profitable to gank. Plug it into the site. The values are at the bottom. |
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