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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.06.04 07:25:00 -
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A) Recon ships are heavily geared towards cloaking and nos/web/scrambling, so damage matters far less.
if you didn't know.... the pilgrim and curse are drone ships. that is, they get a drone bonus, and have a worthwhile drone bay. if I want to fly all the drone specailized ships avaliable, it takes 2 races cruisers to 5... which sucks hard.
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B) If it were a mix of turrets and rails, what would the bonuses be? If you make it dmg for turrets and dmg for missles, then something else, such as tracking, range, ect. wont be there. That is why ships generally tend to focus on one weapon type, because it makes their bonuses more effective.
Finally, I'm not being combative on this, just curious, why exactly do you want a half missle half turret gal bs?
personally my favorite Tech 1 frig is the merlin. and while I haven't actually gotten around to playing with it(though I can currently fly it, and I have one... lol) the Moa looks pretty slick to me. I like some of the behavior of turrets, and I like some of the behavior of missiles. I do NOT like overspecialization if it can be avoided. I'm planning to train and try the raven, and while it sounds like it should be able to kick some ass pretty solidly... and obviously its popular, relying on missiles like that seems... it seems vulnerable to me, in some weird psychological way. having both as an option, and combined uses of them, I like.
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If it got a decent bonus to mining lasers, mining drones, and cargo hold that could probably outmine a large barge if it had 8 turrets.
as sick as it sounds... even without a mining laser bonus. as long as it had at least 125m3 drone bay... I'd love that  it'd cease my impulse to train amarr so I can mine in an apoc,  
the fact that the design gives little to no meaningful "feel" for what it could POSSIBLY do, annoys the hell out of me. thinking really really out of the box... what about something really odd... maybe a cap size/recharge bonus... or maybe actually designed as a shield tanker or something screwy like that.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.05 13:31:00 -
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BTW thanks for the graphs
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Posted - 2006.06.05 14:29:00 -
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If the tier 3 is going to be a blasterboat, it needs some sort of damage bonus. Gierling, get a clue. Blasters already do crap damage, a ship without a bonus for them is going to be pretty useless, we are talking around 600 dps here from guns in realistic conditions, and its still at crappy range. Even some hacs do better than that  . MWD bonus and damage or rof bonus.
They could also fix the mega but it would need a complete redesign, not just bonuses but also speed, agility etc..
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2006.06.05 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
the fact that the design gives little to no meaningful "feel" for what it could POSSIBLY do, annoys the hell out of me. thinking really really out of the box... what about something really odd... maybe a cap size/recharge bonus... or maybe actually designed as a shield tanker or something screwy like that.
Actually it looks like a construction or recycling ship to me.
I'm thinking an EW (via drones/mids) ship with the ability to pound on people with guns is in order.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:08:00 -
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I'm going to have to play with excel aren't I...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lathera Hen
i think that the new BS's are going to have one aditional slot compared to the Ti2 BS's same gose for the BC's
unlikely. Another slot on the tier3s would make them exactly what a lot of people want and CCP have said they won't be (thank god): faction BSs for everyone.
With the BCs, the command variants only have one more slot atm, i doubt the tier2s will have the same amount as the tech2s.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:25:00 -
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Im hoping your right Hipp,
However the preliminary stats for the tier 3's had the extra slot, lets hope they fix that (All you pwnmobile folk can shut it).
The Gallente one had a slot layout of 8-5-7 in the prelim database rip, which is the same as a mega plus one midslot (which also means that compared to the mega the Tracking bonus is immaterial, as the tier 3 has a midslot bonus that can do the same thing or more).
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Rodney Caston
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:43:00 -
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I hope the Gal T3 BS is going to be a ECM / Drone Boat.
A cross between the Scorpian and the Dominix :)
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Ctair Pilru
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:46:00 -
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Drone boat for the win!
I'm not all that worried about what it's function will be, I just know it looks 100% badass!
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Largo Lagrange
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:56:00 -
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Drone Boat; it needs to be a Drone Boat... 
+20% dmg bonus to drones per lvl of Gal BS.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:56:00 -
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well, a sensor damp boat WOULD work in a small gang with jammers/damps so the target can;t relock if your jam doesn't work. Would work well with an ecm domi/scorp in a gang hunting stuff down.
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Lobo Noturno
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Posted - 2006.06.05 20:03:00 -
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I really don't see it as a new drone boat, at all. Although consistent with gallente philosophy, that would render the dominix useless.
Only way I see to get a Tier 3 gallente ship now is to fix the other two.
Dominix: Drop the damage bonus(which few people uses after the stacking penalty nerf on mods) and replace it with a relevant EW bonus(increased dampener range.)
That would make the Domi the Gallente EW+drone ship it's slot layout seems to favour. It might even start to be used in fleet battles to mess with sniping fleets.
Megathron: Either becomes a Blasterboat, or becomes a railboat. I think it should be a railboat to be coherent with ship classes. Hell, it already works as a nice railboat for fleet ops... Drop the tracking bonus and give it an optimal bonus, maybe smaller than the tier3 caldari BS bonus. It could also be a targeting range bonus.(anything that will keep it close, but not better than caldari railguns)
Tier3: This looks like a blasterboat. It's stats will allow it's utilization as a rail platform, but the bonuses should be for blaster utilization. I think it will get damage bonus and falloff bonus(agree that tracking bonus does squat for blasters most of the time). Even better, it could have a webifier range bonus... If that's just wishfull thinking, at least the MWD cap bonus(make it MWD accel though, much better)...
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Lathera Hen
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:52:00 -
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any more thoghts?
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PriceCheckMax
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:23:00 -
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Tier3: EW, and give it bonuses that makes it worthy enough to be a primary.
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Dimitrius Zabelle
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:02:00 -
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Personally, im kinda hoping its gonna have a 5% bonus to effectiveness of sensor dampeners and a 5% bonus to large hybrid damage. A bigger version of the maulus / celestis. Would make a pretty neat sniper that can prevent the enemy from sniping back..
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lobo Noturno
I really don't see it as a new drone boat, at all. Although consistent with gallente philosophy, that would render the dominix useless.
Only way I see to get a Tier 3 gallente ship now is to fix the other two.
Dominix: Drop the damage bonus(which few people uses after the stacking penalty nerf on mods) and replace it with a relevant EW bonus(increased dampener range.)
That would make the Domi the Gallente EW+drone ship it's slot layout seems to favour. It might even start to be used in fleet battles to mess with sniping fleets.
Megathron: Either becomes a Blasterboat, or becomes a railboat. I think it should be a railboat to be coherent with ship classes. Hell, it already works as a nice railboat for fleet ops... Drop the tracking bonus and give it an optimal bonus, maybe smaller than the tier3 caldari BS bonus. It could also be a targeting range bonus.(anything that will keep it close, but not better than caldari railguns)
Tier3: This looks like a blasterboat. It's stats will allow it's utilization as a rail platform, but the bonuses should be for blaster utilization. I think it will get damage bonus and falloff bonus(agree that tracking bonus does squat for blasters most of the time). Even better, it could have a webifier range bonus... If that's just wishfull thinking, at least the MWD cap bonus(make it MWD accel though, much better)...
Exactly my tought really. Tuxford has mentioned that he's going to modify the Tier 1 BSs when the Tier 3's come out. I think domi will get a dampner bonus and become "the scorp" of gallente. I'd really like the Mega as a rail boat and make the tier 3 a blasterboat. Domi is pretty much the EW boat of gallente anyway, what gallente really misses is a blasterboat.
I think same will happen with the geddon, it will turn into an EW boat (a la arbitator), while the apoc is the heavy tank and tier 3 the 8 turret dmg boat.
Ppl keep forgetting that the devs said they gonna modify tier 1's to balance out the 3 tiers of battleship, and prevent any from becoming obsolete.
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Inanara
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:02:00 -
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Hyperion
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5% large hybrid weapon damage per level
5% increase in capacitor when using microwarpdrive
You might have guessed from the bonuses that this is a kind of blaster ship. Its not only noticable by the bonuses but also the attributes of the ship. Everything on this ships is optimized for it getting in range fast. Its lighter and faster than Megathron, it has unusually large capacitor but slower recharge time. It has roughly the same peak cap recharge rate as the other tier 3 battleships but when it has to take that long sprint toward its enemy it has more cap when it finally gets in range.
Now you might be asking your self what is the use of megathron then? Well not everything is better on the Hyperion, it has really crappy targetting range, and I mean really crappy. It also has smaller drone bay than Megathron and obviously worse tracking. Megathron would therefor be considerable better long range ship, while still being a decent blaster boat.
----From the DEv blog on the new Battleships. What this says to me is.. I hope you like you Dominix or megathron as This ship will just suck.
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Kunming
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Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Inanara
Hyperion
Bonuses:
5% large hybrid weapon damage per level
5% increase in capacitor when using microwarpdrive
You might have guessed from the bonuses that this is a kind of blaster ship. Its not only noticable by the bonuses but also the attributes of the ship. Everything on this ships is optimized for it getting in range fast. Its lighter and faster than Megathron, it has unusually large capacitor but slower recharge time. It has roughly the same peak cap recharge rate as the other tier 3 battleships but when it has to take that long sprint toward its enemy it has more cap when it finally gets in range.
Now you might be asking your self what is the use of megathron then? Well not everything is better on the Hyperion, it has really crappy targetting range, and I mean really crappy. It also has smaller drone bay than Megathron and obviously worse tracking. Megathron would therefor be considerable better long range ship, while still being a decent blaster boat.
----From the DEv blog on the new Battleships. What this says to me is.. I hope you like you Dominix or megathron as This ship will just suck.
Old news, old stats. Tux's latest dev blog said the MWD penalty reduction bonus is not satisfactory (OMG what a suprise, guess he flew a blasterboat for the first time ) so they were experimenting on a mass reduction bonus, no idea what came out of that though.
I hope they also look as the deimos, now that Tux finally saw MWD penalty bonus (oxymoron?) aint really that good, infact it sux arse!
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:14:00 -
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Inanara, necromancy is bad. This thred died nearly 4 months ago.
Kunming, if you want to blame someone for introducing the MWD anti-nerf, blame TomB. The reason? The Thorax needed a bonus that wasn't quite as powerful as what the others got, considering it already had a HUGE drone bay (literally bigger than the drone cruisers') to it's name.
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