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Lathera Hen
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Posted - 2006.06.02 01:04:00 -
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ok i know some of ye want to shoot me now just for metioning it. .... BUT
i for one that actualy like the damn thing!
any ways ...
dose any one know what its gona be .... like an Ewar ship or a misile platform or what not ...any idea?
and please dont flame i just want info on it
or jsut your thoghts
Hen
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Talori'i
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Posted - 2006.06.02 01:29:00 -
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I think the missle battleship for Gallente is fulfilled by the Megathron, as much as I hate it though. So I think the Gallente Tier3 BS is going to be an EW vessel. Which in one way saddens me, but my guess is the drone bay will be bigger then the Mega's but much smaller then the Dom's. The second bonus could go either with large turrets or a drone bonus, my guess is large turret bonus with 8 turret hardpoints.
Slotwise who knows, I want to see an 8 hi - 6 mid - 8 low. But I don't think I will get my wish there.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.06.02 01:46:00 -
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I'd like the new one to be a blaster one.
8 turrets, 3 mids, 7 lows, small drone bay, big armor, low shields, agile, solid capacitor.
Bonuses would be 15% reduction to MWD cap penalty, 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level.
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.06.02 02:06:00 -
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 Originally by: jbob2000
I'd like the new one to be a blaster one.
8 turrets, 3 mids, 7 lows, small drone bay, big armor, low shields, agile, solid capacitor.
Bonuses would be 15% reduction to MWD cap penalty, 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level.
Blasters need the dmg and tracking bonus, the dmg one at least. And I hate that cap penalty reduction bonus which is not really a bonus compared to what other ships have, sadly MWD is a mandatory module on blaster boats.
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miro hirisko
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Posted - 2006.06.02 02:09:00 -
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thought the mega was supposed to be the balster boat?
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.02 02:10:00 -
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MWD and falloff with 8 turrets is my bet,
The extra range and speed negates the tracking issue without making the ship a megathron clone.
Proposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.06.02 03:21:00 -
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Any pure gunship is a pointless adition to gallente battleships, as the Megathron is pretty much the model gunship already IMO. It can go short range, it can go long range, I'd really see something that can do a little more then just shoot.
Preferably with a drone bonus, there are way too many gun based battleships in this game already, and just one that uses drones...
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Amerame
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Posted - 2006.06.02 03:36:00 -
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I was wondering that too, how would you design a blasterboat better than the megathron with blaster but inferior to the megathron with rails ? Do we want better sniping BS than mega / tempest / apoc ? Will the caldari railboat be better than tempest / mega / apoc at long range insta damage ?
To me it seems a real nightmare to balance tier 3 BS.
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Ceiri
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Posted - 2006.06.02 04:40:00 -
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I'm hoping it's an electronic warfare ship.
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Dearwin
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Posted - 2006.06.02 04:47:00 -
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I really hope its an EW based platform, it would be an appropriate chain from the Celest, and I think would do a good job of rounding out the higher end Gallente fleet.
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franny
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Posted - 2006.06.02 05:07:00 -
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i'm hoping for an ewar boat
+% to optimal, %damped(lock range and scan res), and falloff of damps
decent sized dronebay(not domi sized, but bigish)
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.06.02 06:33:00 -
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Would not mind a Blasterboat with a dampening and damage bonuss. Maybee a 8-6-6 with enough grid to fit a rack of nuetrons.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2006.06.02 08:14:00 -
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I'm also hoping for an EW platform. A battleship-size Celestis would finally make me train up that Gallente BS lvl 5. If it has some missile capability, so much the better. We already have the pure gunship angle covered with the Mega, and the drone stuff with the Dom.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.06.02 08:18:00 -
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its 8-5-7 from all ive seen
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.06.02 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
I'd like the new one to be a blaster one.
8 turrets, 3 mids, 7 lows, small drone bay, big armor, low shields, agile, solid capacitor.
Bonuses would be 15% reduction to MWD cap penalty, 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level.
3mids for a blasterthron? What are you gonna drop, mwd, tackling gear or cap injector?
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Lathera Hen
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Posted - 2006.06.02 10:51:00 -
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wow ...
thanks for the reply's... id like to see mor ideas if you have them.
:)
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.06.02 10:55:00 -
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A big celestis would be nice. Damps are under-rated.
Im hoping against a dedicated blaster boat, simply becuase the thron does fairly well at that already. Also if it has 8 turrets, you may as well put your thron in the garage because you just found a new fleet BS.
<Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing
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Morreia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 11:04:00 -
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I'd love to see it be quite agile. I've never been that much into EW mainly because the ships that use it do shocking damage but if it can keep up damage wise with the other battleship, and with 8 turrets I'd be surprised if it couldnt, then I suppose it may be nice to fly.
Just the look of it makes it seem to me like it should be quite agile. It has absolutly huge thrusters and looks quite streamlined.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.06.02 11:22:00 -
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It should be an ewar ship that can compete with a scorp. For this it needs.
At LEAST 7 mids, preferably 8.
A RANGE bonus to EW so it can operate at fleet ranges (falloff would be the one for damps, not optimal, their optimal sucks).
That's all it needs, the rest is gravy. I'd go with...
Highs - 6
Mids - 8
Lows - 6
Turret - 5
Missile - 4
Bonus1 - 20% to Falloff range of Remote Sensor Dampeners per level
Bonus2 - 10% to Large Hybrid Turret optimal range per level
4000 shield
6000 armor
8000 struct
5000 cap
800s recharge
CPU - 1,100
Powergrid - 20,000
Velocity - 90 m/s
Dronebay - 200 m3
Lockrange - 130km
Magnetometric Sensor Strength - 45
Sigradius - 600
Scanres - 80mm
And make it turn like a slug.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.06.02 11:25:00 -
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well, its got 5 mids, so...
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Waragha
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Posted - 2006.06.02 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
I'd like the new one to be a blaster one.
8 turrets, 3 mids, 7 lows, small drone bay, big armor, low shields, agile, solid capacitor.
Bonuses would be 15% reduction to MWD cap penalty, 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level.
wtf
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Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.06.02 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Breed Love on 02/06/2006 11:43:29
omg people stfu about ew ships already, what if sissy-pee listens to that crap?
We need a proper bs-sized blasterboat, mega sux monkey balls at that. And it has to have some form of damage bonus, though to make it worse with rails than the megathron, it could get a turret rof bonus instead. This way it would have a nice dps, closer to what the dps of a real blasterboat should be like. And perhaps a MWD bonus, but I'd rather see it as a built in bonus, and have a tracking bonus or something like that instead.
This way it would atleast perform well in its very niche role.
------ Originally by: Gazon
In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.06.02 11:44:00 -
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How about we get an EW BS since we lack one, and we fix the megathron?
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Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.06.02 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kaell Meynn
How about we get an EW BS since we lack one, and we fix the megathron?
The best option would be to make domi the ew bs, just switch the large hybrid bonus for a damper bonus.. And megathron can't really be fixed without a complete re-design.
------ Originally by: Gazon
In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.06.02 12:47:00 -
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If the Dominix got a damper bonus it should also have at least one more medslot IMO. Maybe trade for a highslot since without the gun bonus 4 NOS is going to be pretty much standart.
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VeNT
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Posted - 2006.06.02 12:53:00 -
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err, why would gallente get a EW ship?
thought they specilised in drones rather than EW?
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Darpz
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:35:00 -
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Here is how it should be and no it won't be overpowerd
8H
5M
7L
Bonus 10% Hybrid Damage (Double Bonus)
then the pilot can figure out how to get past the shortcommings of the ship to get into range and to be able to track the ship to unleash that pwnage.
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Morreia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Morreia on 02/06/2006 13:37:31
Minny are generally associated with hit and run but they have a kick ass fleet ship.
What the previous poster said sounds like a good ship.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:43:00 -
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I saw Tux's screen that tier 3 Gallentean BS is going to be a gate camping ship. Heavy bonuses to sentry drones.
/me hides.
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
EvE is ecstatically malevolent.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Breed Love
Edited by: Breed Love on 02/06/2006 11:43:29
omg people stfu about ew ships already, what if sissy-pee listens to that crap?
We need a proper bs-sized blasterboat, mega sux monkey balls at that. And it has to have some form of damage bonus, though to make it worse with rails than the megathron, it could get a turret rof bonus instead. This way it would have a nice dps, closer to what the dps of a real blasterboat should be like. And perhaps a MWD bonus, but I'd rather see it as a built in bonus, and have a tracking bonus or something like that instead.
This way it would atleast perform well in its very niche role.
Sounds quite nice indeed.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2006.06.02 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Waragha
Originally by: jbob2000
I'd like the new one to be a blaster one.
8 turrets, 3 mids, 7 lows, small drone bay, big armor, low shields, agile, solid capacitor.
Bonuses would be 15% reduction to MWD cap penalty, 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level.
wtf
dont want it to be TOO powerful, and yeah, maybe a tracking bonus instead of the cap, but the MWD cap reduction is almost essential for blasters.
Megathron is more sniper, imo
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Phrixus Zephyr
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Posted - 2006.06.02 14:16:00 -
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The only way i can see them finding a niche for Tier 3 Gallente is changing the role(s) of the Mega or Domi somehow. Even if it means just changing one bonus.
Originally by: Jude Kopenhagen
I heard a little bird tell me that the new Battle Ship will be called "The sky is falling, I'm gonna have to learn more skills, oh woe are us!" |
Svenholio
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:45:00 -
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I want to see a picture, anyone have a linky for the new BS?
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Lathera Hen
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:58:00 -
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here you go Gllante Ti3 BS
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Madcap Magician
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Breed Love
Edited by: Breed Love on 02/06/2006 11:43:29
omg people stfu about ew ships already, what if sissy-pee listens to that crap?
This way it would atleast perform well in its very niche role.
Sounds quite nice indeed.
Except we shouldn't have Tech 1 ships that are forced into their role. I personally feel (and I fly the Blasterthron a lot and would love a better Vindicator) we should wait for Tech 2 battleships before the Gallente get a truly designed Blastership.
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Lathera Hen
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:04:00 -
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i think you will get them with kali... but thats just me blabering jiberish...
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:04:00 -
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t2 battleships will never see the light, and if they ever do then you wont get a heavy assault version
Originally by: Oveur
This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Svenholio
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:11:00 -
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Thanks for the link
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I saw Tux's screen that tier 3 Gallentean BS is going to be a gate camping ship. Heavy bonuses to sentry drones.
/me hides.
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Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:26:00 -
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I don't care about anything else (4 hi slots? yarr!  ) , but please give me a dronebay of 175m¦. 
Thank you very much. 
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Morreia
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Morreia on 02/06/2006 16:30:41
There is a tech 1 blaster boat in frigs (kinda, but frigs can adapt to most weapons), and cruisers (the thorax if used with rails will just get laughed at) so why shouldn't there be a battleship one.
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Serkis
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:42:00 -
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Poor guy asks if anyone knows or has any idea what its gonna be and according to the replies it will be EW/sniping/blaster/drone pwn mobile with mwd cap bonus and 8-5-8 slot layout.
Someone is going to be disappointed when the real stats are official 
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lathera Hen
i think you will get them with kali... but thats just me blabering jiberish...
kali brings tier 3 battleships
100% no tech 2 BS
Originally by: Oveur
This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Lathera Hen
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Posted - 2006.06.02 16:53:00 -
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i said i think!
any way id love a dev to say somthing in the mater...
and kali will bring Ti2 BC's to dont forget that... plus a few other things that some have been dreaming for a long time...
and who's to say they wont bring in some plase holder for the T2 BS's
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Artica Silverfox
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Posted - 2006.06.02 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lathera Hen
i said i think!
The rest of us know. :)
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Talori'i
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Posted - 2006.06.02 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Serkis
Poor guy asks if anyone knows or has any idea what its gonna be and according to the replies it will be EW/sniping/blaster/drone pwn mobile with mwd cap bonus and 8-5-8 slot layout.
Someone is going to be disappointed when the real stats are official
At least I won't whine about it like the Caldari's and that Railgun platform(bonuses likely to be Optimal and Damage bonus), so it will beat out the megathron as the Sniping railgun platform. So the Megathron will have to be redesigned for more focus on blasters or something.
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2006.06.03 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 03/06/2006 01:28:17
8-4-8 with 8 turret HP, 125m3 drone bay, 155m/s base speed and 5% dmg, 10% bonus to falloff per level. That is what I want, yarr!
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.06.03 01:43:00 -
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I think the "problem" is that unlike the Caldari one, it doesn't really give away what it is by its appearance. the caldari one LOOKS like a rail boat, for example. the abaddon has obvious places to put turrets... ect.
personally I don't expect to have much interest in the Gall third tier BS. alot of people hate the idea but for me it being half turrets half rails, with a decent armor tank, is about the only thing that'd make me not go "meh".
that is, since it can't be a plain drone ship without totally obsolete-ifying the dominix.
EW would make some sense I guess, but it doesn't interest me.
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And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2006.06.03 01:51:00 -
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Personally I feel a tier 3 gal BS that is strong in missles, or a tier 3 caldari strong in rails is stupid. At the frig level, ok, let the noobs experiment, there isn't a whole lot of skills invested there, but I for one, having near 10 mil in gunnery (and less than 500K in missles) am not going to go train up missle skills just so I can fly a tier 3 gal BS, and I feel many veteran raven pilots will feel the same about a caldari railboat.
"Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.06.03 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus
Personally I feel a tier 3 gal BS that is strong in missles, or a tier 3 caldari strong in rails is stupid. At the frig level, ok, let the noobs experiment, there isn't a whole lot of skills invested there, but I for one, having near 10 mil in gunnery (and less than 500K in missles) am not going to go train up missle skills just so I can fly a tier 3 gal BS, and I feel many veteran raven pilots will feel the same about a caldari railboat.
"vetran" BS pilots will be shy about training cross-racial battleships?
wheres it say you have to be able to fly every ship of your race's design, with one set of specializations?
wheres it say there can't be racial crossover?
I mean look at gallente recon ships, then look at amarr... wtf?
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.06.03 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lathera Hen
ok i know some of ye want to shoot me now just for metioning it. .... BUT
*shoots you*
Quote:
i for one that actualy like the damn thing!
any ways ...
*shoots you more*
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and please dont flame i just want info on it
or jsut your thoghts
*gets out the flame thrower*
RUN! 
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2006.06.03 02:05:00 -
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A) Recon ships are heavily geared towards cloaking and nos/web/scrambling, so turrets matter far less.
B) If it were a mix of turrets and rails, what would the bonuses be? If you make it dmg for turrets and dmg for missles, then something else, such as tracking, range, ect. wont be there. That is why ships generally tend to focus on one weapon type, because it makes their bonuses more effective.
"Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.06.03 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I saw Tux's screen that tier 3 Gallentean BS is going to be a gate camping ship. Heavy bonuses to sentry drones.
/me hides.
What
I demand a link.
A sentry drone ship would be the dumbest thing ever
We have that ship already, it's called a fracking Dominix.
Please, for the love of the litte baby Jesus child, make it a Sensor Damp boat, possibly with an ECM drone bonus.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.06.03 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 03/06/2006 02:26:37
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
make it a Sensor Damp boat, possibly with an ECM drone bonus.
Ugh  It better be CHEAP (around scorp price?), there is no way anyone is going to convince ME to drag a 150mil battleship out to a fleet battle to get called primary.
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2006.06.03 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 03/06/2006 02:43:54
Well I can't imagine Tier 3 BS being cheaper than tier 2, that seems to be counter-intuitive. Personally, I think the domi does a pretty dang good job at ecm, but I'd rather have an ECM gal BS than a half missle, half turret pos. Still, why not just change the domi turret damage bonus to damper strength bonus and make the tier 3 a blaster boat?
Personally, I see it like this:
Domi: EW/Drones
Mega: Rails
Tier3: Blasters
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2006.06.03 03:41:00 -
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Because damper strength is about useless in fleet combat. (you asked)
A damper falloff bonus on the domi, I could live with.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.06.03 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I saw Tux's screen that tier 3 Gallentean BS is going to be a gate camping ship. Heavy bonuses to sentry drones.
/me hides.
What
I demand a link.
A sentry drone ship would be the dumbest thing ever
We have that ship already, it's called a fracking Dominix.
Please, for the love of the litte baby Jesus child, make it a Sensor Damp boat, possibly with an ECM drone bonus.
Dominix isnt a specialised gate camping ship, is it?
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
EvE is ecstatically malevolent.
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Infel Delria
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Posted - 2006.06.03 06:56:00 -
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the new BS will be based off modeling for the blind.
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Morreia
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Posted - 2006.06.03 10:12:00 -
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Well the Domi obviously follows on from the vexor, the Thron follows on from the thorax (well its meant to), so it would kinda make sense to have something follow on from the celestis.
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St Dragon
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Posted - 2006.06.03 12:19:00 -
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With those BIG engines i wouldnt be saprised if it got some sort of MWD or Afterburner bonus.
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Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.06.03 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dominix isnt a specialised gate camping ship, is it?
I know, I know! How to make a specialized gate-camping ship! Give it a bonus of +10% chance of WCS going offline on enemy ship per level  .
------ Originally by: Gazon
In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: SpaceDrake Storyteller on 03/06/2006 13:05:44
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dominix isnt a specialised gate camping ship, is it?
Precisely what the crap do you call a vessel with both a gun damage bonus and a huge drone damage bonus, with enough mids and lows to stuff multiple tracking comps and magstabs on if you have a care enough?
I can think of at least one really nasty Dominix camping setup off the top of my head.
Please, if you have any love at all for the little baby Buddha, give the Gallente a new EWar ship. Is this one thing too much to ask?
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:14:00 -
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a missile boat
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That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:14:00 -
[64]
a missile boat
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That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:21:00 -
[65]
Originally by: The Wizz117
a missile boat
Originally by: Kilrock
Pod yourself untill you have no skills
Originally by: Tamora
its not the skills that make the eve
player... its the smack that back him up
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Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.06.03 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: The Wizz117
a missile boat
Originally by: Kilrock
Pod yourself untill you have no skills
QFT
------ Originally by: Gazon
In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.06.03 15:43:00 -
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My idea ->
8 High (8 turret)
4 Meds
6 Lows
140m/s speed
200m¦ Dronebay
5% to Blaster-dmg and 5% less Microwarpdrive-cap-penalty
Current Location: Relax and drinking a beer with Dreez and waiting for Blaster changes UPDATE -> Still waiting... |
Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.06.03 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto
My idea ->
8 High (8 turret)
4 Meds
6 Lows*
140m/s speed
200m¦ Dronebay
5% to Blaster-dmg and 5% less Microwarpdrive-cap-penalty
* 7 lows.
------ Originally by: Gazon
In any case, the whole affair had one lasting effect: Awarding Stormriders the label of ridiculous drug addicts with a tendency towards utterly foolish actions.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.06.03 16:56:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Breed Love
Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: The Wizz117
a missile boat
Originally by: Kilrock
Pod yourself untill you have no skills
QFT
don't worry - he have no skills already!
seriously though - can't wait to see the 'near finish' slot/bonus/layout of all the new bs (and bc for that matter) 
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
I'd like the new one to be a blaster one.
8 turrets, 3 mids, 7 lows, small drone bay, big armor, low shields, agile, solid capacitor.
Bonuses would be 15% reduction to MWD cap penalty, 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level.
Blastership with only 3 mids is useless... You need a mwd, webber, scrambler and cap booster.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
I'd like the new one to be a blaster one.
8 turrets, 3 mids, 7 lows, small drone bay, big armor, low shields, agile, solid capacitor.
Bonuses would be 15% reduction to MWD cap penalty, 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level.
True blaster ship? Less damage and tracking than the megathron, not enough mids to fit Scram/web/injector/MWD
Not worth it at all IMO
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:08:00 -
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^^ didn't i just say that? 
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Robota
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Posted - 2006.06.03 17:37:00 -
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you're all wrong: it's gonna be a evolution of the Exequror, and get a bonus to cargohold and miners cpu usage 
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Morreia
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:03:00 -
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If it got a decent bonus to mining lasers, mining drones, and cargo hold that could probably outmine a large barge if it had 8 turrets.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:10:00 -
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MWD Bonus and falloff
Its the only combination which fits Gallente philosophy and doesnt make the existing ships useless.
It would be a beast of a ship, less pure damage then the mega, far far more usability.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
MWD Bonus and falloff
Its the only combination which fits Gallente philosophy and doesnt make the existing ships useless.
It would be a beast of a ship, less pure damage then the mega, far far more usability.
Can't hit the broadside of a barn without the tracking boost though. Blasters on a dominix are kind of depressing due to the lack of a tracking bonus...
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.03 18:20:00 -
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BLasters really wouldn't have any trouble hitting anything with a 50% falloff boost.
As range increases the need for tracking decreases significantly.
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Lathera Hen
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Posted - 2006.06.03 22:19:00 -
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i think that the new BS's are going to have one aditional slot compared to the Ti2 BS's same gose for the BC's ... but i think they will have it ether in low or mid ... cos guys those things theoreticly will have enogh space for more stuf.
any way please confine your replys to stats and fitings ... and dont flame
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2006.06.03 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Luc Boye on 03/06/2006 22:48:18
Well I am glad that most of the ppl in this thread aren't devs. Like tier 3 bs with less slots then megathron, or dedicated gallente missile boat.
Even EW, EW imho is a tier1 thing.
Blasterboat ftw, no less then 4 mids thx.
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Virida
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Posted - 2006.06.03 23:20:00 -
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Make a ship with drone bonuses beyond anyones dream, NO highslots, and 8mid, 8low.
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2006.06.03 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Robota
you're all wrong: it's gonna be a evolution of the Exequror, and get a bonus to cargohold and miners cpu usage
My god, it's all coming together now! Yessss!
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2006.06.04 00:01:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Gierling
BLasters really wouldn't have any trouble hitting anything with a 50% falloff boost.
As range increases the need for tracking decreases significantly.
Here is at 60m/s transversal and 150m/s transversal. (Blue is neut II with +25% tracking, red is +50% falloff.)
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.06.04 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Luc Boye
Edited by: Luc Boye on 03/06/2006 22:48:18
Well I am glad that most of the ppl in this thread aren't devs. Like tier 3 bs with less slots then megathron, or dedicated gallente missile boat.
Even EW, EW imho is a tier1 thing.
Blasterboat ftw, no less then 4 mids thx.
Originally by: Gierling
BLasters really wouldn't have any trouble hitting anything with a 50% falloff boost.
As range increases the need for tracking decreases significantly.
Here here, would love something like that. A nice workable bs lvl blasterboat, with mega as a blasterboat if you want it, but better off as a rail platform. Perfect if you ask me.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:25:00 -
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I love those graphs they demonstrate exactly what I was talking about making a ship that is slightly different in how it executes design philosophy without eclipsing an existing ship.
The mega is still the damage king but you need to work for it. With an MWD and a flaooff bonus, even with 8 turrets you owuldnt do as much raw damage however you really gain a whole new attack profile. A tracking comp isnt out of the question especially seeing as how much more forgiving the ship would be.
Id be hesitant to say that even with the same slot layout as the mega you could forego the large cap injector on a ship thus outfitted.
The great thing is that it uses bonuses that actually exist in game on other Gallente ships, unlike some of the ideas I'm hearing (Blaster damage bonus only etc).
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Qayos
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Posted - 2006.06.04 01:58:00 -
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Bleh, if you want a megathron that works, suggest a fix for the megathron. We dont need 2 megathrons.
EWar should be tier 1, but it's too late for that, we got the Domi. A tier 3 EWar ship would rock. They'd have to make it exceptionally good EWar though, since it'll get primaried like a scorp, and cost 3 times as much.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.04 03:04:00 -
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Caldari can have an EW ship becuase thier EW does not Suck, Gallente don't have the same option.
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Dreez
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Posted - 2006.06.04 04:05:00 -
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If the tier3 Gallente BS becomes a specific blasterboat, im buying 2 things.
Ticket to iceland and a submachingun  .
Having Tuxford fixing the blasters is like having
a blind man teaching you how to drive - just wont work.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.04 04:18:00 -
[88]
Actually 8 rails with a falloff bonus is no slouch either, just.... different.
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Qayos
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Posted - 2006.06.04 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Qayos on 04/06/2006 04:48:39
Originally by: Gierling
Caldari can have an EW ship becuase thier EW does not Suck, Gallente don't have the same option.
For certain kinds of combat it kinda sucks, sure. Since even if you get damps on em, they can still lock and shoot your friends if in range, or warp away if not in range.
But for fleet it is awesome, save for one thing... LACK OF AN EW BS with a RANGE bonus!  Thus the suggestion ;P.
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GandalfTHEGrey
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Posted - 2006.06.04 05:24:00 -
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im hoping that the gall tier 3 is aseveryone thinks/rumourd n thats
8/5/7
but i would be happy with the same bonuses as stands on the megathron , so it would be just more exspencive and u could still use rails on it, as i dnt want to have to use one gun on any ship ^^ i mean in the 5 mid people could put in an extran cap inject, use the 4 800 chrges for the mwd, then the other one for ur tank ^^
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.06.04 07:25:00 -
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Quote:
A) Recon ships are heavily geared towards cloaking and nos/web/scrambling, so damage matters far less.
if you didn't know.... the pilgrim and curse are drone ships. that is, they get a drone bonus, and have a worthwhile drone bay. if I want to fly all the drone specailized ships avaliable, it takes 2 races cruisers to 5... which sucks hard.
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B) If it were a mix of turrets and rails, what would the bonuses be? If you make it dmg for turrets and dmg for missles, then something else, such as tracking, range, ect. wont be there. That is why ships generally tend to focus on one weapon type, because it makes their bonuses more effective.
Finally, I'm not being combative on this, just curious, why exactly do you want a half missle half turret gal bs?
personally my favorite Tech 1 frig is the merlin. and while I haven't actually gotten around to playing with it(though I can currently fly it, and I have one... lol) the Moa looks pretty slick to me. I like some of the behavior of turrets, and I like some of the behavior of missiles. I do NOT like overspecialization if it can be avoided. I'm planning to train and try the raven, and while it sounds like it should be able to kick some ass pretty solidly... and obviously its popular, relying on missiles like that seems... it seems vulnerable to me, in some weird psychological way. having both as an option, and combined uses of them, I like.
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If it got a decent bonus to mining lasers, mining drones, and cargo hold that could probably outmine a large barge if it had 8 turrets.
as sick as it sounds... even without a mining laser bonus. as long as it had at least 125m3 drone bay... I'd love that it'd cease my impulse to train amarr so I can mine in an apoc,
the fact that the design gives little to no meaningful "feel" for what it could POSSIBLY do, annoys the hell out of me. thinking really really out of the box... what about something really odd... maybe a cap size/recharge bonus... or maybe actually designed as a shield tanker or something screwy like that.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.05 13:31:00 -
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BTW thanks for the graphs
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Breed Love
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Posted - 2006.06.05 14:29:00 -
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If the tier 3 is going to be a blasterboat, it needs some sort of damage bonus. Gierling, get a clue. Blasters already do crap damage, a ship without a bonus for them is going to be pretty useless, we are talking around 600 dps here from guns in realistic conditions, and its still at crappy range. Even some hacs do better than that  . MWD bonus and damage or rof bonus.
They could also fix the mega but it would need a complete redesign, not just bonuses but also speed, agility etc..
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Posted - 2006.06.05 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
the fact that the design gives little to no meaningful "feel" for what it could POSSIBLY do, annoys the hell out of me. thinking really really out of the box... what about something really odd... maybe a cap size/recharge bonus... or maybe actually designed as a shield tanker or something screwy like that.
Actually it looks like a construction or recycling ship to me.
I'm thinking an EW (via drones/mids) ship with the ability to pound on people with guns is in order.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:08:00 -
[95]
I'm going to have to play with excel aren't I...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:19:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Lathera Hen
i think that the new BS's are going to have one aditional slot compared to the Ti2 BS's same gose for the BC's
unlikely. Another slot on the tier3s would make them exactly what a lot of people want and CCP have said they won't be (thank god): faction BSs for everyone.
With the BCs, the command variants only have one more slot atm, i doubt the tier2s will have the same amount as the tech2s.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:25:00 -
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Im hoping your right Hipp,
However the preliminary stats for the tier 3's had the extra slot, lets hope they fix that (All you pwnmobile folk can shut it).
The Gallente one had a slot layout of 8-5-7 in the prelim database rip, which is the same as a mega plus one midslot (which also means that compared to the mega the Tracking bonus is immaterial, as the tier 3 has a midslot bonus that can do the same thing or more).
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Rodney Caston
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:43:00 -
[98]
I hope the Gal T3 BS is going to be a ECM / Drone Boat.
A cross between the Scorpian and the Dominix :)
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Ctair Pilru
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:46:00 -
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Drone boat for the win!
I'm not all that worried about what it's function will be, I just know it looks 100% badass!
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Largo Lagrange
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:56:00 -
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Drone Boat; it needs to be a Drone Boat...
+20% dmg bonus to drones per lvl of Gal BS.
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Samirol
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Posted - 2006.06.05 17:56:00 -
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well, a sensor damp boat WOULD work in a small gang with jammers/damps so the target can;t relock if your jam doesn't work. Would work well with an ecm domi/scorp in a gang hunting stuff down.
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Lobo Noturno
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Posted - 2006.06.05 20:03:00 -
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I really don't see it as a new drone boat, at all. Although consistent with gallente philosophy, that would render the dominix useless.
Only way I see to get a Tier 3 gallente ship now is to fix the other two.
Dominix: Drop the damage bonus(which few people uses after the stacking penalty nerf on mods) and replace it with a relevant EW bonus(increased dampener range.)
That would make the Domi the Gallente EW+drone ship it's slot layout seems to favour. It might even start to be used in fleet battles to mess with sniping fleets.
Megathron: Either becomes a Blasterboat, or becomes a railboat. I think it should be a railboat to be coherent with ship classes. Hell, it already works as a nice railboat for fleet ops... Drop the tracking bonus and give it an optimal bonus, maybe smaller than the tier3 caldari BS bonus. It could also be a targeting range bonus.(anything that will keep it close, but not better than caldari railguns)
Tier3: This looks like a blasterboat. It's stats will allow it's utilization as a rail platform, but the bonuses should be for blaster utilization. I think it will get damage bonus and falloff bonus(agree that tracking bonus does squat for blasters most of the time). Even better, it could have a webifier range bonus... If that's just wishfull thinking, at least the MWD cap bonus(make it MWD accel though, much better)...
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Lathera Hen
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Posted - 2006.06.14 09:52:00 -
[103]
any more thoghts?
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PriceCheckMax
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Posted - 2006.06.14 10:23:00 -
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Tier3: EW, and give it bonuses that makes it worthy enough to be a primary.
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Dimitrius Zabelle
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:02:00 -
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Personally, im kinda hoping its gonna have a 5% bonus to effectiveness of sensor dampeners and a 5% bonus to large hybrid damage. A bigger version of the maulus / celestis. Would make a pretty neat sniper that can prevent the enemy from sniping back..
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Kunming
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Posted - 2006.06.14 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lobo Noturno
I really don't see it as a new drone boat, at all. Although consistent with gallente philosophy, that would render the dominix useless.
Only way I see to get a Tier 3 gallente ship now is to fix the other two.
Dominix: Drop the damage bonus(which few people uses after the stacking penalty nerf on mods) and replace it with a relevant EW bonus(increased dampener range.)
That would make the Domi the Gallente EW+drone ship it's slot layout seems to favour. It might even start to be used in fleet battles to mess with sniping fleets.
Megathron: Either becomes a Blasterboat, or becomes a railboat. I think it should be a railboat to be coherent with ship classes. Hell, it already works as a nice railboat for fleet ops... Drop the tracking bonus and give it an optimal bonus, maybe smaller than the tier3 caldari BS bonus. It could also be a targeting range bonus.(anything that will keep it close, but not better than caldari railguns)
Tier3: This looks like a blasterboat. It's stats will allow it's utilization as a rail platform, but the bonuses should be for blaster utilization. I think it will get damage bonus and falloff bonus(agree that tracking bonus does squat for blasters most of the time). Even better, it could have a webifier range bonus... If that's just wishfull thinking, at least the MWD cap bonus(make it MWD accel though, much better)...
Exactly my tought really. Tuxford has mentioned that he's going to modify the Tier 1 BSs when the Tier 3's come out. I think domi will get a dampner bonus and become "the scorp" of gallente. I'd really like the Mega as a rail boat and make the tier 3 a blasterboat. Domi is pretty much the EW boat of gallente anyway, what gallente really misses is a blasterboat.
I think same will happen with the geddon, it will turn into an EW boat (a la arbitator), while the apoc is the heavy tank and tier 3 the 8 turret dmg boat.
Ppl keep forgetting that the devs said they gonna modify tier 1's to balance out the 3 tiers of battleship, and prevent any from becoming obsolete.
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Inanara
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:02:00 -
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Hyperion
Bonuses:
5% large hybrid weapon damage per level
5% increase in capacitor when using microwarpdrive
You might have guessed from the bonuses that this is a kind of blaster ship. Its not only noticable by the bonuses but also the attributes of the ship. Everything on this ships is optimized for it getting in range fast. Its lighter and faster than Megathron, it has unusually large capacitor but slower recharge time. It has roughly the same peak cap recharge rate as the other tier 3 battleships but when it has to take that long sprint toward its enemy it has more cap when it finally gets in range.
Now you might be asking your self what is the use of megathron then? Well not everything is better on the Hyperion, it has really crappy targetting range, and I mean really crappy. It also has smaller drone bay than Megathron and obviously worse tracking. Megathron would therefor be considerable better long range ship, while still being a decent blaster boat.
----From the DEv blog on the new Battleships. What this says to me is.. I hope you like you Dominix or megathron as This ship will just suck.
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Kunming
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:08:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Inanara
Hyperion
Bonuses:
5% large hybrid weapon damage per level
5% increase in capacitor when using microwarpdrive
You might have guessed from the bonuses that this is a kind of blaster ship. Its not only noticable by the bonuses but also the attributes of the ship. Everything on this ships is optimized for it getting in range fast. Its lighter and faster than Megathron, it has unusually large capacitor but slower recharge time. It has roughly the same peak cap recharge rate as the other tier 3 battleships but when it has to take that long sprint toward its enemy it has more cap when it finally gets in range.
Now you might be asking your self what is the use of megathron then? Well not everything is better on the Hyperion, it has really crappy targetting range, and I mean really crappy. It also has smaller drone bay than Megathron and obviously worse tracking. Megathron would therefor be considerable better long range ship, while still being a decent blaster boat.
----From the DEv blog on the new Battleships. What this says to me is.. I hope you like you Dominix or megathron as This ship will just suck.
Old news, old stats. Tux's latest dev blog said the MWD penalty reduction bonus is not satisfactory (OMG what a suprise, guess he flew a blasterboat for the first time ) so they were experimenting on a mass reduction bonus, no idea what came out of that though.
I hope they also look as the deimos, now that Tux finally saw MWD penalty bonus (oxymoron?) aint really that good, infact it sux arse!
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.10.05 07:14:00 -
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Inanara, necromancy is bad. This thred died nearly 4 months ago.
Kunming, if you want to blame someone for introducing the MWD anti-nerf, blame TomB. The reason? The Thorax needed a bonus that wasn't quite as powerful as what the others got, considering it already had a HUGE drone bay (literally bigger than the drone cruisers') to it's name.
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