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Diemex
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Posted - 2006.06.02 01:40:00 -
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I've heard this term a few times.
Is it really viable ? I can pull lvl 2 agent missions... but all i've seen is Veldspar roids.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.06.02 02:07:00 -
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In some missions, at least at level 4, there are omber roids to pick at. When "omber roids" amounts to 700,000 units of the stuff, it's worth doing. 
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Krav
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Posted - 2006.06.02 02:35:00 -
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What mission should I pay attention to the roids for? I always have them off overview while I pwn the npcs. I would recognize the mission name tho, and know to mine it.
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Yves DeFleur
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Posted - 2006.06.02 02:38:00 -
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Level 3 Downing the Slavers (part 2 of 2)...the first area has 400k of omber.
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9854365
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Posted - 2006.06.02 02:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Krav
What mission should I pay attention to the roids for? I always have them off overview while I pwn the npcs. I would recognize the mission name tho, and know to mine it.
Krav
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Doragee
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Posted - 2006.06.02 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Yves DeFleur
Level 3 Downing the Slavers (part 2 of 2)...the first area has 400k of omber.
Duo of death Lvl4, too...
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Nice View
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Posted - 2006.06.02 06:17:00 -
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In "Portal of War" (lvl 2 mission)
There is a 88k roid of Omber.
The bigger Omber is in the Lvl 3 missions.
I farmed it in the past, the bonus for doing the mission fast was only 200k. Over 4 days I got 352k Omber, 390k ISK from the gun towers and some pretty good loot from the ships in the mission (Alb heavy, barton cap, X3200 heavy, plus more).
I have a few agents in the same area, so I ran missions for them while I farmed this mission.
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randy andy
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Posted - 2006.06.02 14:25:00 -
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missions with omber
human cattle lvl 2 & 3 90k units
massive attack lvl 3 need a guard
downing the slaver lvl 3 & 4 400k units
in the midst of deadspace part 1 lvl 4 90k units
in the midst of deadspace part 3 lvl 4 90k units
angel exravaganza lvl 4 4 roids
thats what i have found so far
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Andargor theWise
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Andargor theWise on 02/06/2006 15:16:59
Originally by: randy andy
missions with omber
human cattle lvl 2 & 3 90k units
massive attack lvl 3 need a guard
downing the slaver lvl 3 & 4 400k units
in the midst of deadspace part 1 lvl 4 90k units
in the midst of deadspace part 3 lvl 4 90k units
angel exravaganza lvl 4 4 roids
thats what i have found so far
I concur, Downing the Slavers (The Rogue Slave Trader 2/2) is the most profitable, with a worth in the 25M-30M.
It however takes a long time to mine, even with a Domi w/ 6 x Miner IIs. So make it a corp event or get your friends with covetors/hulks. 
More profitable is Infiltrated Outposts L4, where "mining" (i.e. blowing up drones) nets you around 3000 units of Zyd.
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Shoele Lialos
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:59:00 -
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Ugh! All those times I did Human Cattle, and I never mined up that Omber! Stupid me!
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Lickety
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Posted - 2006.06.02 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lickety on 02/06/2006 21:58:02
Originally by: randy andy
missions with omber
human cattle lvl 2 & 3 90k units
massive attack lvl 3 need a guard
downing the slaver lvl 3 & 4 400k units
in the midst of deadspace part 1 lvl 4 90k units
in the midst of deadspace part 3 lvl 4 90k units
angel exravaganza lvl 4 4 roids
thats what i have found so far
gurista extra lvl 3 bonus 10k omber
massive attack lvl 3, 3rd pocket 75k omber
tech secrets 1/1 lvl 2 50k omber
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Hawkeye Orlando
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Posted - 2006.06.03 06:39:00 -
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And don't forget the fact that the roids respawn every day after Downtime. With Downing the Slavers, just don't clear the 2nd room until you're totally done mining. You get the mission for 7 days, so you can easily make 200m with it. :-p
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Hockston Axe
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Posted - 2006.06.04 06:16:00 -
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This is a lvl 2 I think, has 2 80k and 1 30k omber roids in the second to last room. It's nice to have a private spot for a bit.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:52:00 -
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Vengeance (Mordus version) L4: 270k Omber
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Shadarles
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Posted - 2006.06.04 18:54:00 -
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Unless you have a decked out mining ship it seems like mining is far slower than simply running more missions. You can make 5 mill/hour running level 3's without breaking a sweat, not counting LP's which nearly double this. From my calculations, mining omber isn't even close to this profit level... so why waste time with it?
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Duradam
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Posted - 2006.06.04 19:52:00 -
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Because when you have 3 or 4 retrivers and a hauler work that feild, its a lot faster. If you have just 1 ship working it, you're time may be better spent mission running.
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Shadarles
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Posted - 2006.06.06 01:44:00 -
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But if those 3-4 players were just running missions themselves they'd make far more money as well... so I still don't get it.
Unless you're saying one person with 3-4 accounts or some such... in which case it seems like a pretty pointless excersize for most people.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.06.06 06:32:00 -
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Nothing wrong with sicking your other accounts and maybe those of other corp members against those pebbles, especially if the roids happen to sit right where you need the minerals anyway.
They would not run L4 combat missions on their own in that time anyway, and moving the ore from the hold to the can every couple of miutes doesn't disrupt running missions, hauling goods, gating camps, ... on the main accounts.
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Makaera Koshito
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Posted - 2006.06.06 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Makaera Ko****o on 06/06/2006 07:12:48
Tech Secrets 1 has an Omber 'roid which fills a little more than a jet can- 30k m3, I think.
Oops. Just saw that this has been said already. 
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Dust Rocket
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Posted - 2006.06.06 18:20:00 -
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You may mine or not mine these roids its your choice
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Shadarles
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Posted - 2006.06.06 23:41:00 -
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I still don't understand why anyone would spend time mining these unless they have multiple accounts that they couldn't run missions with at the same time, but they can pull off mining.
Why would 4-5 players all mine omber from a vein instead of each just running missions? Even running level 3's is far more isk/hour and noobs can get up to level 3 missions in 2 weeks or less easily. It seems like a waste of time to mine omber... unless you intend to only play as a miner and are just using it as a stepping stone to make money. But even in this case it seems easier to get a simple combat ship setup with 1 mil in combat skills to do level 3's (which are easily done with that many).
Mining omber is simply time in-efficient with a single account... 5 players with single accounts doesn't make it more efficient, they could each be making more money individually. So please explain, why would any single account player spend time doing this instead of grabbing more missions?
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Nials Corva
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Posted - 2006.06.07 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarles
So please explain, why would any single account player spend time doing this instead of grabbing more missions?
I jetcan mine from Rogue Slavers while doing homework since I only have to dump every couple minutes. Dunno why I'd do it if I had the choice of actually playing. That's all I got.
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Jincha Mungchungi
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Posted - 2006.06.07 01:23:00 -
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Shadarles...I guess you've not seen a Hulk mining omber with t2 crystals and ++ mining implants/bonuses up the yingyang. Makes short work of the 400k omber in downing the slavers.
I just call in nearby corpmates when I have this mission....we clean it out and go back to regular business. I keep the mission open for a few days and we all make some nice cash/isogen.
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Shadarles
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Posted - 2006.06.07 03:51:00 -
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Ok, so a ship you need months worth of skills to fly can make you decent money mining? But if you have spent that much time training skills you could just do level 4's instead of 3's and make 10+ mill/hour or far more (ive not yet done level 4's so not sure, but it must be twice as profitable as level 3's, right?).
The best I could come up with was 1 mill/hour mining omber from what I recall... tho I'm sure you could easily raise that to 2mill or even 3 mill/hour with better ships/etc.
How much omber can you mine/hour with a hulk?
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Shadarles
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Posted - 2006.06.07 03:59:00 -
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Also, doesn't a hulk with all that stuff cost close to a billion isk? On top of that, why would you spend a billion ISK to mine omber? Wouldn't it be far more profitable to mine rare minerals?
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Jincha Mungchungi
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Posted - 2006.06.09 01:14:00 -
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You'll figure it out.
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Shadarles
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Posted - 2006.06.09 01:55:00 -
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It just seems as though you realize you don't have a reasonable counter to my argument 
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Dagle
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Posted - 2006.06.09 02:56:00 -
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It just seems that you don't realise some people like to mine.
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aquontium
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Posted - 2006.06.09 03:01:00 -
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Hmmm..........hulk mining in 0.0 and getting shot at, or in empire, safe in deadspace. either is profitable, but the risk vs reward modifier is very different.
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Shadarles
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Posted - 2006.06.09 04:09:00 -
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The original argument was that hulk mining was ultra-profitable on omber... not that people like to mine.
If you just like mining, fine... but it doesn't mean it's more efficient to mine omber than run missions.
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Carniflex
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Posted - 2006.06.09 04:31:00 -
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Mining Omber in mission enviroment is approximately as profitable as running Lev 3 missions, while mining Crokite and Bistot in 0.0 yelds you up to 45 mil / h (that is 'pure' amount, you will need to haul on refine it too -- large barge with T2 crystals)
So in that light, if you are willing to mine high ends in 0.0 then running ANY missions is not reasonable. But mining that Omber is quite nice and stressfree semi afk opportunity to pass some time. Not ultra profitable if you will do it for isk, but you usually need that isogen sooner or later anyway 
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Shadarles
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Posted - 2006.06.09 12:55:00 -
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How profitable is omber mining per hour? How much can be pulled out of the rock per hour with the best barge out there?
5 mil/hour is an easily attainable amount from level 3 missions, I'd assume 15+ from level 4's. I still havnt seen anyone with hard numbers about omber and since i am not a hardcore miner I don't think I should be the one to calc it.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.06.09 14:31:00 -
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omber miners pull upto 7-8mil per hour if it is hulks r us mining. Hulks mining in 0.0 can earn around 80mil/hour, but given the number of refinery outposts poping up, and the fact that it only takes you 1-2 months to get almost perfect refine at 35% stations, means you get to keep most of that.
However, you forget the biggist mission for spawining roids - Enemies abound. 80k units per roid and over 16 roids = tons of stuff.
In the past, the fugative hideout provided omber as well, and was accessable in the same way a complex is accessable, and was available in places as high sec as 0.8, but ccp removed them
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Dagle
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Posted - 2006.06.09 19:42:00 -
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For me (2 covetors) Omber is about 10m/hour including hauling time.
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Melkinor T'sbanion
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Posted - 2006.06.11 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarles
How profitable is omber mining per hour? How much can be pulled out of the rock per hour with the best barge out there?
5 mil/hour is an easily attainable amount from level 3 missions, I'd assume 15+ from level 4's. ...
You would assume wrong on 15 mil per hour on level 4s. OFten the sheer amount of time it takes to do a mission totally borks your X isk/hour calculations.
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Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2006.06.12 01:53:00 -
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well once you've killed all the rats then theres basically 40mil of omber sitting in completely safe space. try finding that much in 0.5 belts, its v.hard (and theres rats too) or 0.4 and lower belts if you like dying
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.06.12 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 12/06/2006 11:56:51
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
well once you've killed all the rats then theres basically 40mil of omber sitting in completely safe space. try finding that much in 0.5 belts, its v.hard (and theres rats too) or 0.4 and lower belts if you like dying
If you mine mission roids, then it forces the game to run the rat respawn formula, meaning rats will spawn in of the same type depending on the belts of the system you are in.
It appears that it is not just mission roids, but any roid, even hidden belts. Thats why I rat in 0.0 in a mining setup. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
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Lumel
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Posted - 2006.06.12 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lumel on 12/06/2006 21:40:18
Originally by: Shadarles
Edited by: Shadarles on 07/06/2006 03:57:43
The best I could come up with was 1 mill/hour mining omber from what I recall... tho I'm sure you could easily raise that to 2mill or even 3 mill/hour with better ships/etc.
In Downing the Slavers, each 50k Omber roid is worth about 3mil apiece. Given a Tempest w/ 6xMiner II, Astrogeology 1(?), 3xMining Upgrades, and other stuff you can haul in about 570m3 per minute (plus 4xMiner I drones gets to about 590ishm3, Tempest has 600m3 cargo). That equates to popping one roid an hour, for a sum of 3mil an hour. I'm not sure what "the best you could come up with" comes from though.. a theoretical best? or just the ships you can fly? but you're far underselling how much cash can be made in 0.8 space mining this mission for 7 days. 
Edit: and it's peaceful, brainless cash making. It might not be optimal compared to running Lv4's, but while I'm still training up the skills to actually run them, it's nice.
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allmus
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Posted - 2006.06.13 18:45:00 -
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well, in downing the slavers i have been using a large barge.
with it i can pop an omber riod every 25 minutes, so that's about 6 mill an hour.
to be honest i just wish that there were 1 or 2 rare riods in the lvl4 missions to be mined, like gniess,crokite, or bistot.
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Trioxis
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Posted - 2006.06.14 07:28:00 -
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The best omber farm I know of is Downing the Slavers. With a decent mining setup (I know a guy who can pull off 1K m3 per minute with a Raven, but he does have mining drones and mining upgrades) and because the roids respawn after every DT you can pretty much make loads of cash.
With decent skills and a 6-7 full-time farm you can pretty much make about a hundred Mill or more. Very worth it if you don't/can't mine in lowsec. I don't think anything else but lowsec mining beats the cash (except maybe a few lvl 4's, but I have no experience with lvl 4 missions).
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Raider Zero
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Posted - 2006.06.16 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Trioxis
The best omber farm I know of is Downing the Slavers. With a decent mining setup (I know a guy who can pull off 1K m3 per minute with a Raven, but he does have mining drones and mining upgrades) and because the roids respawn after every DT you can pretty much make loads of cash.
With decent skills and a 6-7 full-time farm you can pretty much make about a hundred Mill or more. Very worth it if you don't/can't mine in lowsec. I don't think anything else but lowsec mining beats the cash (except maybe a few lvl 4's, but I have no experience with lvl 4 missions).
I dunno about the raven mining thing, but I just had Downing the Slavers and my corp mates and I mined out about 70% of the ore (aggregate percentage after 7 days). We had roughly 2 million units of omber and it refined and got sold for 150 million. I don't know about the hourly, but it was worth it for the big cash payout at the end imo.
One thing that it would really be worth it for: a training ground for new miners in your corp. Make it an event, leave the mission open for all 7 days and go clear out the rats for them once a day. Let them mine the omber and keep 80% of what they make, giving the other 20% to you. They make more isk and learn how to mine efficiently and you make free money while running other missions.
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Red Freak
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Raider Zero
Originally by: Trioxis
The best omber farm I know of is Downing the Slavers. With a decent mining setup (I know a guy who can pull off 1K m3 per minute with a Raven, but he does have mining drones and mining upgrades) and because the roids respawn after every DT you can pretty much make loads of cash.
With decent skills and a 6-7 full-time farm you can pretty much make about a hundred Mill or more. Very worth it if you don't/can't mine in lowsec. I don't think anything else but lowsec mining beats the cash (except maybe a few lvl 4's, but I have no experience with lvl 4 missions).
I dunno about the raven mining thing, but I just had Downing the Slavers and my corp mates and I mined out about 70% of the ore (aggregate percentage after 7 days). We had roughly 2 million units of omber and it refined and got sold for 150 million. I don't know about the hourly, but it was worth it for the big cash payout at the end imo.
One thing that it would really be worth it for: a training ground for new miners in your corp. Make it an event, leave the mission open for all 7 days and go clear out the rats for them once a day. Let them mine the omber and keep 80% of what they make, giving the other 20% to you. They make more isk and learn how to mine efficiently and you make free money while running other missions.
oeih, i like this idea!
doing almost nothing and still getting cash 
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Trioxis
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:37:00 -
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Well, I don't know what BS my friend uses to mine in, as he has multiple ones. But his Megathron does about 960-ish m3 per minute, but I don't know if that includes mining drones.
Downing the Slavers is very profitable and indeed a good place for starting miners to make money and get some experience. But when you are solo it's almost impossible to get all of the omber from it.
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Admiral Keyes
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Posted - 2006.06.18 11:44:00 -
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Friend of mine just got downing the slavers 2 of 2 so i got him to leave it open for 7 days. I mine with covetor with mod strip II's with tech 2 omber crystals and i mine 1177m3 per minute. at that speed it takes me 3 hours to mine all the omber myself and haul it out with my second account. Very profitable. Then again, not this time since i brought my friend a tempest instead of half the isk to keep it open so there goes most of my profit LOL
Great mission, cause youd be hard pressed to find an entire system in high sec that has 400'000 omber overall let alone 7 times a week LOL
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MercedesBenz
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Posted - 2006.06.20 07:36:00 -
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I just got The Rogue Slave Trader (2 of 2) Downing The Slavers and I was considering mining it out with my covetor while my 2nd account hauls, but I have one question, do the sansha spawn re-spawn after a given ammount of time? I'd hate to lose my covetor with T2 strips and cystals to a sansha spawn
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Shadarles
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Posted - 2006.06.21 18:18:00 -
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I think a lot of people here just don't run level 3 missions very efficiently, if they think mining omber is better. After reading everything it seems like people say they do it because,
1) It is very profitable
2) It is very easy
3) It is very safe
4) It is mindless
5) It lets people learn to refine their mining skills
As to point 5, that one was the best reason I saw. So koodos to whoever actually does this :) But for 1 to 4 I'll explain why I disagree with omber mining still.
1) It is no more profitable than running level 3's. You can easily run any extraveganza in 1 hour, including the bonus stage if you wanted. If you did this, you'd make a MINIMUM of 5 mill isk from bounties+reward+items. Then you also get 2-2500+ lp, which is worth at least 3-5 mill more isk. So 7-10 mill from that one mission. Massive attack will yield slightly less money, but also takes only 30-45 mins, leaving enough time to run another quick mission or two or even 3 in some cases. The quicker missions often have higher value drops than the previous missions... thus are worth equal or more isk/hour. Black Market hub/ Slavers 2of2 are extremely fast missions and yield insane isk/lp. I can run just a few missions/day and make well over 150 mil/week... not even including the chance of implants from storyline missions.
2) Level 3's are very easy. VERY easy. If you don't agree, you're using the wrong ships. Get a raven, 6 heavy launchers 2 tractors, 4 appropriate hardeners t2 booster AB, 3 BCS II 3 PDS II. With 1.5 mil sp level 3's were a cakewalk, every single one of em.
3) I havn't lost a ship to a level 3 ever. It's impossible to lose that raven I named above unless you go afk. Even not paying attention for a few mins you can do just fine. I havn't gotten into armor once since I broke 1.5 mil sp.
4) I watch TV half of the time I play... the rest of the time I'm posting here, talking to friends, reading websites, etc. Level 3's are completely mindless in my setup.
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Satomila Kunis
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Posted - 2006.06.21 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: MercedesBenz
I just got The Rogue Slave Trader (2 of 2) Downing The Slavers and I was considering mining it out with my covetor while my 2nd account hauls, but I have one question, do the sansha spawn re-spawn after a given ammount of time? I'd hate to lose my covetor with T2 strips and cystals to a sansha spawn
The mission sanshas respawn every downtime (as does the omber). If you are in lower than 0.9 sec, than random rats will spawn that are equivalent to what you'd find at belts in the same system.
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Tsoula Chimaera
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Posted - 2006.06.21 18:42:00 -
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it kinda strikes me that nobody mentioned enemies abound 1/5 here :)
it contains more omber and kernite than all other mentioned missions stuffed together (by far)
all you need to do is clear some annoying gallente ships out of the way:D
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Satomila Kunis
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Posted - 2006.06.21 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tsoula Chimaera
it kinda strikes me that nobody mentioned enemies abound 1/5 here :)
it contains more omber and kernite than all other mentioned missions stuffed together (by far)
all you need to do is clear some annoying gallente ships out of the way:D
I got this the other night, but didn't have time to mine it. I know there are 14 or so Omber rocks at 90k units per and about the same number of Kernite rocks. Any ideas how much ore is in each Kernite rock?
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Mukrakr Li
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Posted - 2006.06.21 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Satomila Kunis
Originally by: Tsoula Chimaera
it kinda strikes me that nobody mentioned enemies abound 1/5 here :)
it contains more omber and kernite than all other mentioned missions stuffed together (by far)
all you need to do is clear some annoying gallente ships out of the way:D
I got this the other night, but didn't have time to mine it. I know there are 14 or so Omber rocks at 90k units per and about the same number of Kernite rocks. Any ideas how much ore is in each Kernite rock?
25K of Kernite can be found in each rock.
90K of Omber can be found in each rock.
Word of caution......Enemies Abound has caved even some the best CNR setups. Look before you leap........kill everything......mine for 18 hrs and still won't get it all solo.
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Tsoula Chimaera
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Posted - 2006.06.21 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mukrakr Li
Originally by: Satomila Kunis
Originally by: Tsoula Chimaera
it kinda strikes me that nobody mentioned enemies abound 1/5 here :)
it contains more omber and kernite than all other mentioned missions stuffed together (by far)
all you need to do is clear some annoying gallente ships out of the way:D
I got this the other night, but didn't have time to mine it. I know there are 14 or so Omber rocks at 90k units per and about the same number of Kernite rocks. Any ideas how much ore is in each Kernite rock?
25K of Kernite can be found in each rock.
90K of Omber can be found in each rock.
Word of caution......Enemies Abound has caved even some the best CNR setups. Look before you leap........kill everything......mine for 18 hrs and still won't get it all solo.
Heh it's easy when you do it in 2 steps
i jump in with a megathron fitted with webber and small t2 guns (autocannons in my case) and wipe out the 5 ceptors, then jump into my arty machariel and pop the rest nice and easy from a safe distance:)
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Betrana
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Posted - 2006.06.25 16:08:00 -
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I found an 50k omber roid doing tech secrets part 1 lvl 2 mission, but when I went back the next day to work the roid, the whole area was empty, no roids at all. I did not turn in the mission, though I did talk to the agent to turn down an offer, would that cause the mission asteroids to disappear? I don't understand why everything is gone.
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Lickety
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Posted - 2006.06.25 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Betrana
I found an 50k omber roid doing tech secrets part 1 lvl 2 mission, but when I went back the next day to work the roid, the whole area was empty, no roids at all. I did not turn in the mission, though I did talk to the agent to turn down an offer, would that cause the mission asteroids to disappear? I don't understand why everything is gone.
If your journal entry says "Objective complete" than the mission bookmark will be empty after a downtime. You need to mine that omber before the downtime.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.06.25 20:41:00 -
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I tend to tire of lvl 3 combat missions (I normally run courier) so if I completed Downing the Slavers I might decide to mine the roids but if I'm still in the mood to run missions it doesn't sound like it's worth it.
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(Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Rhamnousia
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Posted - 2006.06.25 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarles
I think a lot of people here just don't run level 3 missions very efficiently, if they think mining omber is better. After reading everything it seems like people say they do it because,
1) It is very profitable
2) It is very easy
3) It is very safe
4) It is mindless
5) It lets people learn to refine their mining skills
As to point 5, that one was the best reason I saw. So koodos to whoever actually does this :) But for 1 to 4 I'll explain why I disagree with omber mining still.
1) It is no more profitable than running level 3's. You can easily run any extraveganza in 1 hour, including the bonus stage if you wanted. If you did this, you'd make a MINIMUM of 5 mill isk from bounties+reward+items. Then you also get 2-2500+ lp, which is worth at least 3-5 mill more isk. So 7-10 mill from that one mission. Massive attack will yield slightly less money, but also takes only 30-45 mins, leaving enough time to run another quick mission or two or even 3 in some cases. The quicker missions often have higher value drops than the previous missions... thus are worth equal or more isk/hour. Black Market hub/ Slavers 2of2 are extremely fast missions and yield insane isk/lp. I can run just a few missions/day and make well over 150 mil/week... not even including the chance of implants from storyline missions.
2) Level 3's are very easy. VERY easy. If you don't agree, you're using the wrong ships. Get a raven, 6 heavy launchers 2 tractors, 4 appropriate hardeners t2 booster AB, 3 BCS II 3 PDS II. With 1.5 mil sp level 3's were a cakewalk, every single one of em.
3) I havn't lost a ship to a level 3 ever. It's impossible to lose that raven I named above unless you go afk. Even not paying attention for a few mins you can do just fine. I havn't gotten into armor once since I broke 1.5 mil sp.
4) I watch TV half of the time I play... the rest of the time I'm posting here, talking to friends, reading websites, etc. Level 3's are completely mindless in my setup.
u are dead wrong, i used a ferox on lvl 3 missions, (0.2 system) for the fun of it, and i was tired and wasn't gonna concentrate on killing. my set up was 5 arbies heavies, 2 nos, 2 active hardeners (EM/therm) 3 best named large extenders, 4 shield power relay, 1 PDU, i fell asleep half way through the mission, at 47% shield, and woke up with 42% half an hour later, nos on a single target i hav locked with about 10 more 4 cruisers and 6 frigs shooting me the whole time (i left FoF missile running when i fell asleep) and hardeners on....why use a raven on lvl 3s when they cant break a ferox?
mining in mission isn't wrong, mining is mining, doesn't matter where, if u can do it safely, then u should, use hulk to mine omber isn't wrong, the ships do cost billions, that why when u mine in it, u watch ur back, if u can mine WITHOUT lookin at ur ass every other second, it's a comfort.
and my last word, Shadarles, u are a moron.
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Betrana
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Posted - 2006.06.25 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lickety
Originally by: Betrana
I found an 50k omber roid doing tech secrets part 1 lvl 2 mission, but when I went back the next day to work the roid, the whole area was empty, no roids at all. I did not turn in the mission, though I did talk to the agent to turn down an offer, would that cause the mission asteroids to disappear? I don't understand why everything is gone.
If your journal entry says "Objective complete" than the mission bookmark will be empty after a downtime. You need to mine that omber before the downtime.
OK, that was the problem then, thanks.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.07.17 04:40:00 -
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For those miners out there looking for good missions to mine in I figured I'd bump this.
I still don't see why someone who can run level 3's easily would mine in them instead of running them. They take just about the same amount of effort but mining yields a smaller reward. But in any case, this is a handy thread for the miners out there who have friends nice enough to leave the missions open for em.
"and my last word, Shadarles, u are a moron."
As to this, I was trying to be civil and to educate the general eve populace that reads these threads. Most people don't understand how profitable it is to simply run missions. I also was very curious if I had missed something about the profitability of such a venture... but apparantly I had not. But you can feel free to call me names all you want, I will still post in threads when I feel I can add something to them or when I have questions to ask. If you don't like it, that really is not my concern.
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Depko
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Posted - 2006.07.17 08:57:00 -
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I have cca 13.5 mil SP. Doing mining in Megathron i get slightly less than 1000 m3/min. that makes about 5-6 mil. mining jaspet or omber.
Running missions with lvl=3 q=18 agent in 0.8 system makes about 1900 LP in Extravaganza (1h needed to complete mission) for me (military connections = 5) . As 15.000LP implant costs about 20M these cca 2.000LP yield about 2.3 mil ISK.
Bounty is crap, may be less than 1M totally, loot is crap too.
thats about 2.5-3.5 mil. reward for best lvl3 in a hour.
running easier lvl3 missions 1-2 systems far from agent yields even less LP and ISK.
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Kire Nrehciw
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Posted - 2006.07.17 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
For those miners out there looking for good missions to mine in I figured I'd bump this.
I still don't see why someone who can run level 3's easily would mine in them instead of running them. They take just about the same amount of effort but mining yields a smaller reward. But in any case, this is a handy thread for the miners out there who have friends nice enough to leave the missions open for em.
"and my last word, Shadarles, u are a moron."
As to this, I was trying to be civil and to educate the general eve populace that reads these threads. Most people don't understand how profitable it is to simply run missions. I also was very curious if I had missed something about the profitability of such a venture... but apparantly I had not. But you can feel free to call me names all you want, I will still post in threads when I feel I can add something to them or when I have questions to ask. If you don't like it, that really is not my concern.
Shadarle: I'm a bit late to the party here, but I think you're at the receiving end of some animosity because you're criticizing and dismissing mission mining. Just because you feel like missing running is more profitable doesn't mean that everyone feels the same way, and there are many other reasons to mine (or not to mine) besides the ISK/hr.
Stating your opinions is of course welcome and contributes to a lively discussion, but you're coming across as a bit combative. Restating your position and summarily dismissing the opinions and experiences of others in every reply does nothing to reinforce the veracity of your statements. Rather, it serves only to frustrate and irritate when you fail to acknowledge the validity of others' perspectives.
Mission mining is easy and mindless and makes significant amounts of ISK for almost zero effort. Maybe Shadarle is somehow special, but I wouldn't go AFK or alt tab out to read/post on message boards while running a kill mission. Kill missions require at least a little bit of attention, and no matter what you're flying there's always some risk.
It's also relatively quick and reliable profit. You could get a string of lowish paying missions from an agent or several long couriers that kill your ISK/hr. Mining you know you can make ____ ISK per hour and you'll be ____ million ISK richer when you're done. This can be done every day for a week. Nowhere else can you find as much ore as reliably as you can by a respawning mission rock.
Hell, throw all that out the window and realize that some people like mining, and many people find a few hours of mining a nice break from mission running and ratting. Just because YOU play a certain way, don't try to shove it down everyone else's throats.
Course... I think you're both wrong and low-sec ratting in throwaway T1 frigs is the way to go. ;) Plus a lot of this depends on available capital and skill points. It takes most people 6-8 weeks before they're in a BC/BS and have access to good L3 agents. If you've only got frigs, cruisers, and maybe industrials trained, your options for making ISK are more limited and jetcan mining a mission rock in an Osprey or a Vexor/Thorax with 4-5 mining drones is pretty good money for very little risk. Bah, I'm done
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Skyee
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Posted - 2006.07.19 11:29:00 -
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There has been some discussion as to whither mining in missions is worthwhile. Though for people who do not like mining and prefer making their isk from the missions this might not be something they want to do, it is a viable option for others :)
For instance we are industrial and mine to get the minerals for production, but do missions mainly for standing gains. In this instance mining roids in a mission is a good way of obtaining the minerals as we will be mining anyway, especially considering the size of the roids in some of these missions :)
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Queen Eowyn
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Posted - 2006.07.19 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Queen Eowyn on 19/07/2006 14:10:20
Edited by: Queen Eowyn on 19/07/2006 14:09:48
"2) Level 3's are very easy. VERY easy. If you don't agree, you're using the wrong ships. Get a raven, 6 heavy launchers 2 tractors, 4 appropriate hardeners t2 booster AB,3 BCS II 3 PDS II. With 1.5 mil sp level 3's were a cakewalk, every single one of em."
Shadarles
Can I have a billion isk and 1.5 mill skill points to have a Raven with 6 low slots. Not all noobs can afford Faction or Navy Ships think its the nightmare or something that has 6 low slots.
I say mine the roids and build something
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Big Al
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.31 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Big Al on 31/07/2006 16:22:50
To mine out the omber and kernite in enemies abound with 3 covetors takes awhile... a long while, I'd suggest at least 5-6 to keep it reasonable. You will also need more haulers than normal as the roids are in a deadspace pocket.
My memory is a bit fuzzy but I believe 990k Omber and 350k Kernite are the totals.
In addition, if you are able to clear Enemies Abound solo, the money you make from mining it out wouldn't compare to the money you would be making running missions (unless perhaps you were an evil macrominer and did it while you slept  )
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.08.01 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarles
I think a lot of people here just don't run level 3 missions very efficiently, if they think mining omber is better. After reading everything it seems like people say they do it because,
1) It is very profitable
2) It is very easy
3) It is very safe
4) It is mindless
5) It lets people learn to refine their mining skills
As to point 5, that one was the best reason I saw. So koodos to whoever actually does this :) But for 1 to 4 I'll explain why I disagree with omber mining still.
1) It is no more profitable than running level 3's. You can easily run any extraveganza in 1 hour, including the bonus stage if you wanted. If you did this, you'd make a MINIMUM of 5 mill isk from bounties+reward+items. Then you also get 2-2500+ lp, which is worth at least 3-5 mill more isk. So 7-10 mill from that one mission. Massive attack will yield slightly less money, but also takes only 30-45 mins, leaving enough time to run another quick mission or two or even 3 in some cases. The quicker missions often have higher value drops than the previous missions... thus are worth equal or more isk/hour. Black Market hub/ Slavers 2of2 are extremely fast missions and yield insane isk/lp. I can run just a few missions/day and make well over 150 mil/week... not even including the chance of implants from storyline missions.
2) Level 3's are very easy. VERY easy. If you don't agree, you're using the wrong ships. Get a raven, 6 heavy launchers 2 tractors, 4 appropriate hardeners t2 booster AB, 3 BCS II 3 PDS II. With 1.5 mil sp level 3's were a cakewalk, every single one of em.
3) I havn't lost a ship to a level 3 ever. It's impossible to lose that raven I named above unless you go afk. Even not paying attention for a few mins you can do just fine. I havn't gotten into armor once since I broke 1.5 mil sp.
4) I watch TV half of the time I play... the rest of the time I'm posting here, talking to friends, reading websites, etc. Level 3's are completely mindless in my setup.
OMG, you use a Raven for lvl III's lol. I smell Overkill. Whatever makes you feel all warm and cozy, just as bad as mining imho. Run lvl III's with a BC.
The omber field yields about 30ml in 4hrs. And if you're building battleships its a quick easy way to get yer omber (no more lost 3 minute cycles on 1,000unit kernite rocks and alt ore gankers). So there.
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Meat Wadd
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.01 20:22:00 -
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The 3 missions I harvest are
Portal of war 1 of 5
This mission is loaded with Omber and Kernite. Took us 4 hours of mining with 3 coveters and netted from 120mil to 150mil worth of minerals. ItÆs a great boon to your production when isogen is not to be found in empire space. One thing to note is that this is not an easy mission. And if you donÆt know what youÆre doing you will lose your ship(s)!
Hard mission
All day mining operation (6hr alone)
Net value 150 mil in minerals
Drone infestation
This mission has been nurfed. It use to drop about 3k zyd for a value of 30mil for all mins and took about 30 min to clear and clean up. But now it only drops about 1.2k zyd.
Easy mission
30 min
Net Value 20mil in minerals
Downing the Slavers 2 of 2
This mission is easy and has 8 omber roids that yield 400k omber in all.
Easy mission
2hrs
Net value 30mil in minerals
I hope that helped
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Egil Kolsto
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Posted - 2006.08.02 18:23:00 -
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Just wanted to add my two cents as a fairly new player.
Clean out the spawn, park an industrial with a Miner II and go away doing house chores. Dock, empty and warp back, setup before you go to bed. In morning, log in Battle-platform and clear spawn, swap to industrial and continue clearing.
Granted actively running level 3/4 missions pay better cash while at the keyboard but afk-mining Omber with close to zero risk of loosing ship = very decent profit boost for the 6-7 days you can keep the mission running. Best part of it all, since the Badger as an afk mining platform has a very low entry level, you can even train up on your alt and use your main for running missions.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.08.02 23:05:00 -
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"Can I have a billion isk and 1.5 mill skill points to have a Raven with 6 low slots. Not all noobs can afford Faction or Navy Ships think its the nightmare or something that has 6 low slots."
I actually misposted there. I meant to say 3 BCS or 3 PDS and 2 of the other. I use a regular raven.
As to using a Raven for level 3's... if I make more money using a Raven than a ferox on level 3's, why in the world would I use a Ferox? I am not doing level 3's for the challenge, I am doing them for ISK. On top of this, people here are saying they like mining because it's so easy and safe... well that's why I like my Raven, it's easy and safe. Plus I can make more doing level 3's incredibly fast, than I can running level 4's slowly... maybe others have different experiences in this regard.
Also, The extravaganza's are not the best isk/hour by any means. They are quite bad actually... as their loot rewards are generally pitiful. Turning them down is often a good idea. The short quick missions often yield the most reward for your time. This is because the rats in small missions generally have a 100% drop rate, which means you have a much better chance of getting 500k+ items. I'd say I make just as much money from loot as I do from mission rewards+bounties combined. Then LP get added on.
Even so, using Extravaganza's as an example. They take ~1 hour and yield me ~1.8 mil in reward, 2500-2800 LP (.5 sec system, Q15/19 agents, Mil/Pol/HT Connections 4). These days LP are worth between 1100-1300 each, but we'll say 1000. So 2.5 mil ISK from LP + 1.8 mil from rewards = 4.3 mil. Now there is at least 1.5 mil in bounties on the extravs if I remember correctly, so thats 5.8 mil in one hour. This is not counting a single loot can. I generally fill up my entire raven's hold with cargo from extravs and I still do them within an hour. You're gauranteed at least 300k worth of loot, if not millions worth. So a minimum of 6 mil/hour and it can ramp up to 10+, especially if you end up with a connections book offer instead of an implant offer. And this is doing the extravs which are not even close to the top money makers.
I am not dismissing mining out of hand. It is definately safe and easy, but honestly I could alt-tab out of 95% of level 3's for over a min and not worry about dying. I have friends who mine for all their ISK and now a miner in my corp is making a combat alt because of how much more I make in a fraction of the playtime. I am not trying to talk the hardcore miners out of it, or the people that are doing it while they eat/watch tv/work/etc. I am simply explaining to those that run level 3's and are trying to decide if mining those missions is worth their time that it isn't.
I would HIGHLY recommend mining to traders. People who play the market and have high trade skills can place orders/modify them while in space... so they can mine and work on the market at the same time. IMO that's probably the best way to make loads of money.
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Talori'i
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.08.03 00:42:00 -
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On the missions with Omber, in my Megathron, I can mine approximately 700m3 a minute. Which in terms of Omber is like 1111 or so Omber(without mining drones), and that means about 75k ISK a minute. and this doesn't really require too much attention to mine it. Whereas missions require a ton more attention.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:34:00 -
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You have to factor in the time it takes to bring the ore back to the station and the time it takes to sell it, or do whatever it is you do with it. That's all part of the time. Mission runners don't say it takes them 40 mins from the time they start attacking the first guy... it counts from the minute they accept the mission to the minute they turn it in completed.
Like I've said though, if you're wanting something that is very low threat, low stress, and takes less brain power (so you can do other things) than mining is great. There are times I've wished I had my mining skills up a bit more so I could just go mining while watching a movie, but I generally just fly level 3's and watch... as it doesn't take much concentration in a Raven :)
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Roddic
Gallente
The Blood Roses
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Posted - 2006.08.03 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Roddic on 03/08/2006 03:09:38
Shardles(misspelling intentional) like the name by the way, its obvoius you dont like mission minning. this thread is for those that do.
guys, im compiling the information in here in a spread sheet, and there are a few large holes.
What level is Enemis abound and drone infestation. how many kern roids are there in angel extra, im assuming the roids are also in the bonus stage.
in drone infestation what ore do you get the zydrine from.
cheers,
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343Guiltyspark
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Posted - 2006.08.03 04:35:00 -
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Please stop talking about this openly in the forums. CCP will end up nerfing roids in missions because someone always yells "Exploit!". If you have questions about this issue, ask a fellow mission runner...in game.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.08.03 08:44:00 -
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Yeah, because CCP has no clue there are asteroids in missions that people mine...
How many times do I have to repeat that I'm not against it. I am simply trying to inform people of ALL the info. What it really seems like is some people here are against missions themselves more than I'm against mining. I've constantly stated that there are multiple good reasons to mine... but peak isk/hour isn't one
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Trracer
Nos4a2 Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.03 08:50:00 -
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They have already started to nerf it. Human Cattle 5/5 for example, earlier you had to go thru the last gate and kill the inty to complete the mission, now you get your objectives completed when clearing the 2nd gate.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.08.03 08:55:00 -
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If CCP wants to nerf mining in missions they will do it, posts about people mining isn't going to make it happen sooner. I've known about mission mining since I first saw an omber roid in a mission... it's not exactly an unknown thing. CCP wouldn't have put omber roids in missions if they didn't want them mined... or they would just remove them.
If they don't want missions to be run every day to be farmed they will change mission respawning.
ps. What was the comment about my name supposed to be? For some reason it always defaults to my alts name... which annoys me. When I remember I change it to my main. It's obviously not like I'm trying to troll or hide who I am, the names are nearly identical
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randy andy
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Posted - 2006.08.03 09:18:00 -
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Shadarle
its a simple case of different things for different folks.
reasons for mining in missions
1> corp op to get minerals for building
2> not all players have it easy doing lvl 3's lack of SP mainly
3> gives a break from kills missions
4> allows semi afk time and still earn isk
5> allows corp's tp train new members in corp op's(group op's)
6> can still give isk rate about the same as running missions if you have the sp's in mining
i take write more but doing lvl 4 angel extra so need to spend time on the hard bits of it
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.08.03 18:19:00 -
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Again, if you read my posts I've already said mining has its uses, obviously. But three of your points are simply wrong in the case of omber mission mining.
"1> corp op to get minerals for building"
If you make more money doing missions you could simply buy the minerals and have extra money leftover.
"2> not all players have it easy doing lvl 3's lack of SP mainly"
I did level 3's easily with 1.5-2mil SP's... and was running them with under 1 mil SP. Many people won't even have the standing to do level 3's before that, so SP shouldn't be an issue if you outfit a ship as I posted above.
"6> can still give isk rate about the same as running missions if you have the sp's in mining"
Again, this simply isn't true. A miner with perfect skills will make money slower than a 2 mil SP mission runner if they use my setup. The only possible miner that could keep up is someone in a hulk with perfect skills there.... but someone like that won't be mission mining omber I doubt. Even then I don't think they could keep up profit wise, especially not with one account.
I think it's a major problem that mining requires two accounts to be profitable... otherwise you're stuck switching ships and doing multiple hauling runs, etc. Whereas a mission runner never needs an alt. Seems a little unbalanced to me. I'd personally really like to mine... but I can't justify losing so much profit. That's one reason I posted in this thread, I was hoping people could convince me that the profit was there... but it seems the only argument is that it is "easier and safer", which is not what I'm after. Some are, which is great and this thread won't talk those people out of it. But it should provide information to those who want to know the best way to make money period if they have the time and focus to do it.
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Egil Kolsto
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:27:00 -
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There are two VERY positive sides with Omber / mission mining you are completely overlooking Shardlane (excuse any mis-spelling). With my mediocre Mining skills my Osp pulls in roughly 47k Omber / hour. Normally what you do is grab a buddy or two, take a break from mission running, sit and chat while you jetti-mine.
If you have only one friend, you or he fly the Industrial and mine from one, slightly reducing the profit but when I shared this with a buddy of mine, he had a hauler alt and the three of us mining got the keep what they mined. If you sell the Omber straight = roughly 3.5 M Isk, or refine it and roughly 5-7M depend on how much you willing to haul the Isogen (Main sellers are Isogen and Trit).
As for making it profitable, very simple, you and 3-4 buddies all keep the mission that generate 400k Omber open and you have a chat-break when-ever you are open for taking a mine/chat away from the mission running.
Granted the setup to make decent cash mission running is very different from mining, however, no matter how you twist and bend it, someone HAS TO MINE or there will be no ore or material for sale. I find it much more relaxed to chat while mine and laugh at some stupid T1 frigate splatting all over your shield while you and your buddy argue who is supposed to trigger their drones/missiles to remove the offender.
As for the economic side of things, I can make money roughly 500 times as fast as you. It is called real life work =P Work and buy Isk if you are so concerned about making money as fast as possible. For me ANY online games main purpose is to interact with other people and mining unlike getting webbed/jammed by 5 T2 frigates makes for a much easier avenue of chatting with friends.
Everyone does what they like best in Eve, clearly mining is not for you. Us trying to convince you that this is better is pointless as we obviously have a very different view of how we enjoy the game than you do. And much as we can talk back and forth about what is better/faster/more enjoyable, I mine because I like the ease of it, it encourages friendship (unless you like to jetti mine for 7 hrs solid alone) and if you have to drop the keyboard and go see your family for an hour...no harm as long as you don't have hauler duty. Even then, just remind your buddies to update their cans and still no harm done.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.08.03 20:40:00 -
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Can no one read my posts? I will say it one last time. MINING IS GOOD BECAUSE IT IS SAFE AND EASY!
Why can't miners understand that I am not saying mining sucks or that miners are stupid or anything of the sort. I am simply saying it is not the most profitable way to spend your time. Stop telling me you do it because it's safe and easy. I understand that. I'd still love to see more actual numbers from miners using different setups as to their actual profits per hour, just so I can see if it's worth doing it while I setup all my trade orders.
And one final point. If more people stop mining then it will mean ore + mineral prices will rise, which means mining will become more valuable to those that do it. The point I'm making is that so many people seem to do it now that the prices are lower than they could be to have a great return for the time.
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Roddic
Gallente
The Blood Roses
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Posted - 2006.08.03 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Roddic on 03/08/2006 23:55:34
Originally by: Shadarles
Unless you have a decked out mining ship it seems like mining is far slower than simply running more missions. You can make 5 mill/hour running level 3's without breaking a sweat, not counting LP's which nearly double this. From my calculations, mining omber isn't even close to this profit level... so why waste time with it?
if this is not your origanal post Shadarle sorry for the confussion. where in it does it actually say minning that you agree with what people are talking about, here i looks like your trying to convince us why we need to convince you of mission mining goodness.
the simple answer is we don't, do your missions as you see fit. but i will say one thing that may have skipped your notice, and that is after dt the rats repop as well. so for a corp op perspective, the is the ability for everyone to be trained with fighting together and in large groupd, then there is the loot wich drops as well, and then as a reward for participating the miners get a go at the ore, and the fighters if they are inclined mine or haul as well.
so from a comunity orientated point of view mission mining is quite lucrative, as it encourages all the guys to work together. just goes to show that, isk isn't everything. ps 750k isogen give or take a bit in a freighter, and about 110-120mil trit.
also you want people to mine, if they didn't it would be alot harder to locate ships(good ones anyway).
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Originally by: Shadarles
... so why waste time with it?
from this i take it you didn't calculate into it, the respawned rats for bounty and loot. so are your calculations incomplete?
or the fact that that part of the question could be viewed as an insult by some, and a challenge by most(of those that mission mine anyway).
one other thing; mission mining isn't an exploit, those asteroids where put into missions on purpose(probably to encourage miners to do missions as well). what is an exploit however; is if you find a fault in the game and use it to your advantage, with no intention of informing the gm's.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.08.04 00:54:00 -
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"also you want people to mine, if they didn't it would be alot harder to locate ships(good ones anyway)."
No, I would rather prices went up actually. I am a trader as well.. so increased prices generally means larger margins as well :)
"from this i take it you didn't calculate into it, the respawned rats for bounty and loot. so are your calculations incomplete?"
Yeah, npc's that spawn once a day and that are worth 300-400k drastically increase the value of the mining
"or the fact that that part of the question could be viewed as an insult by some, and a challenge by most(of those that mission mine anyway)."
Which is why for the last two pages I've refined what I said. Amazingly these forums allow people to post multiple times so they can answer other posts and explain what they mean when questioned... I know it's hard to look past my first post though and read the whole thread.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.08.15 03:45:00 -
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Bump for people interested in mission mining.
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Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2006.08.15 04:28:00 -
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I didn't noticed this thread when I created a thread on Mission Mining a few weeks back.
Ok just some personal experience. I'm a fairly new character less then 3 months old under 3mill SP.
Downing the Slavers 2 of 2 is the current Level 3 mission I farm. I've received it 3 times out of 3 weeks.
As I'm only new I'm not in a Raven, but have Barge skills (Retriever). Some calculations for those to compare. I wont put mission running amounts as I'm a miner not a mission runner. Now as a base account I get 565.05/min, but as I've recently started a second hauler account with gang bonuses and alt ship have gotten yield to 918.78/min.
Constants for calculations Tritanium 1.8, Pyerite 4.05, Isogen 115.01.
400k Omber at 565.05 ORE/m yield = 7.08 hours
400k Omber at 918.78 ORE/m yield = 4.36 hours
100% refine yield mineral worth = 29,087,056
90.5% refine yield mineral worth = 26,323,786
29,087,056 / 7.08 = 4,108,341
29,087,056 / 4.36 = 6,671,343
26,323,786 / 7.08 = 3,718,048
26,323,786 / 4.36 = 6,037,565
So at the lowest end of the scale make 3,718,048 per hour or higher end of the scale make 6,671,343. Not sure how many people not in 100m Ravens can make that much per hour in the relative safety of Empire space all in one location. The hardest part I find is actually completing the last part of the mission as the DPS is quite high for my lowly low skill Ferox. But I've done it, but usually call upon a corp mate to help.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:14:00 -
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Should calculate the time it takes to sell all those minerals into consideration as well. Loading up a Badger or some such with stuff and heading off multiple jumps can take quite a while.
In any case, I don't see any reason mission runners couldn't make 10 mil/hour just like I can with only 2 mil SP... can make 5+ with less than 1.5 mil.
That said, I have a mining ferox setup and and osprey for when I'm busy and have no time to pay attention to missions. That's why I've been so curious about numbers from hardcore miners, because I want to know what to shoot for. I've never been 100% against mining, I've just wanted to see if anyone could show me it was more profitable than missions in safe space... which for me it isn't. So I run mission when I'm not busy, mine when busy, and just play the market when I'm ultra busy (which is actually better money per time spent than mining or mission running).
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BaronSengir
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Posted - 2006.08.15 11:34:00 -
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It is very time consuming even with hulks and covetors. We mine them only when they are in our HQ system. takes 2 of us about 90 minutes to do downing the slavers and 4 of us about 3-4 hours to clear enemies abound. ( only 2 we bother with)
10 mil an hour huh? been a long time since I have done lvl 3 missions but I dont remember them paying that well. I suppose I did do them in a ferox
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Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2006.08.16 01:41:00 -
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Well I'm usually 8 jumps from a system that can take all the minerals I can ever mine. So 1/2 hour to sell the minerals. But if you can get the mission to spawn in a busy system you might not have to even move...
10 mill per hour running missions for your lvl 3 Agent ... come now are you to have us believe that? Even pure kill mission Agents have 5% chance of a courier mission, then you have all those time wasting long kill mission for little bounties/reward. Luck of the drawn mission running compared to guaranteed mission mining op set for 7 or so days.
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Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.08.16 08:05:00 -
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You mean I can make the hell that is slavers 2/2 worth more?
THANK GOD!
That mission has roasted more ships in my corp than anything else. Thankfully none of my own, but several cruisers just a bit too eager to jump into the action before the tanking BC made it :).
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.17 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dahak2150
You mean I can make the hell that is slavers 2/2 worth more?
THANK GOD!
That mission has roasted more ships in my corp than anything else. Thankfully none of my own, but several cruisers just a bit too eager to jump into the action before the tanking BC made it :).
As has been suggested mission mining is only 'worth it' in most cases if you are not going to run any more missions for a while.
IOW:If you are thinking of taking a break from combat missions and get offered one that is mineable you might as well mine it.
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Celeste Storm
Gallente
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.08.17 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Celeste Storm on 17/08/2006 10:50:11
Edited by: Celeste Storm on 17/08/2006 10:46:51
I've read the whole thread and would like to add my own expirience.
First of all, I cannot stand people who are demanding that they make 10-15M ISK / hour or even more with an L3 mission any longer - thats absolutly bull**** and impossible. U might be lucky and get some nice drop once in a while which sells for a few millions but thats very rare.
the bounties of L3 rats give you around a million maybe a bit more or less depending on what mission u do and the reward from ur agent is usually around a million too. Melting down crap loot u may get another 450-550k. So lets sum it up: 2.5M maybe 3M and regulary I need about 35-45min for a L3 mission, which gives me at best 5M/hour if I calculate out all time I didnt spend on the mission itself (e.g. traveling, refiting). Just for the records I have a Q18 agent.
Now something about my experience with mission mining. I got Drowing the Slavers 2 days ago and decided to try mining the omber. I had mining only at L3 (not much mining in my past ;) ) and did it with a phoon, 4 gaussian exvac laser and 5 mining drones I.
Result: about 1.6M/hour
Yesterday I had trained up to use Miners II.
Result: about 3.1M/hour (almost doubled, but still worse then what I get when doing kill missions)
By now I'm training up to use at least a Retriever Barge and then try again.
I'm still convinced that it is worth. :) I wrote down this example for all u out there with the same crapy mining skills like my. Until u have a barge, it really not worth.
Hope u find it a bit useful.
Cel
/edit: typo.
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