With the new industry overhaul I am wondering what industrial alliances/corps that are based out of highsec plan on doing. The one's I've spoken to seem to feel that highsec indy will be nerfed so much, moving out will be necessary. I've had several clients opting for lowsec but of course 0.0 is also a popular choice to move to. What are people's thoughts/preferences and what pros and cons do you find?

With the new industry overhaul I am wondering what industrial alliances/corps that are based out of highsec plan on doing. The one's I've spoken to seem to feel that highsec indy will be nerfed so much, moving out will be necessary. I've had several clients opting for lowsec but of course 0.0 is also a popular choice to move to. What are people's thoughts/preferences and what pros and cons do you find?

I can see HighSec research cost becoming more of an issue. Even the "middle of nowhere" HighSec stations have all their research slots regularly filled.

I don't see hisec as becoming less profitable so much as I see everyone staying crammed into a few NPC stations near major trade hubs as being less profitable. When you consider that a flood of new hisec POSes is likely going up soon, there should be plenty of industrial capacity in hisec to offset the increased NPC station prices.

Also, +1 for stealth advertising your losec "rental" services. Well played.

So from what I'm seeing, the production side of things in and by itself won't be as much affected aside from people using more highsec poses. However how do we factor in the re-balancing of belts with the new update? Or would we just have to wait and see how values adjust afterward?

I think the big factor will be how many otherwise losec-averse folks will train the new Prospect CovOps mining frigate and head off in search of more profitable belts. Even if that number is high, I doubt that production and research will necessarily follow, at least not until all the new hisec moons are claimed.


Also, apologies if it seemed like I was giving you crap or calling you out re: my "well played" comment. As a former losec resident myself, I was just giving props where I saw props due. o7

With the new industry overhaul I am wondering what industrial alliances/corps that are based out of highsec plan on doing. The one's I've spoken to seem to feel that highsec indy will be nerfed so much, moving out will be necessary. I've had several clients opting for lowsec but of course 0.0 is also a popular choice to move to. What are people's thoughts/preferences and what pros and cons do you find?

So it seems opinions are split based on which part of production you focus on, which is natural of course.


How do you guys see the contrasts between minerals in highsec vs lowsec vs nulsec?

[quote=Seraph IX Basarab]So it seems opinions are split based on which part of production you focus on, which is natural of course.


How do you guys see the contrasts between minerals in highsec vs lowsec vs nulsec?

When you consider that a flood of new hisec POSes is likely going up soon, there should be plenty of industrial capacity in hisec to offset the increased NPC station prices.

I think that pos manufacturing will get hit with the same price increases, minus the 2% discount to cover fuel costs. So manufacturers can be forced to move their towers far away from Jita to get the most profit.
This should be really good for Red Frog.

I also expect the market to get flooded with ultra cheap BPC's of great quality after the expansion.
My plan is to mass manufacture without even owning a single BPO :)

So maybe we'll see public BPO research slots in low demand instead of high.

[quote=Mos7Wan7ed]Opinions are split among those solo industrialists that are buying minerals from a regional market hub, carting it to a station, building XYZ and taking it back to the market hub and those that choose to mine their minerals.

The biggest reason people both buy and sell at hubs rather than at highsec-nullsec entry points is that market hubs have everything you need to fit up a ship, or a POS, or whatever for that matter. I know when I want to fit up a ship I don't fly all over trying to find the cheapest price for everything. I go to a market hub because I know I can dock in a shuttle and leave the station with a fully fit ship.

Even if you are buying SRP fits in bulk to take back to null, you still want to be able to buy the entire SRP wherever you are going to stop. You don't want to buy all of your ships and guns at one station, then go somewhere else to buy all of your tanking mods, and somewhere else to pick up ammo and rigs. You will just fly to Jita or whatever, buy a full load, and jump it back out to null.

What I wonder is why more nullsec or lowsec groups, especially those that don't have much of an industry arm, don't just find one or more manufacturers and say "OK, we need this much of this stuff every month, and we will pay you this much for it if you deliver to a highsec exit system." This is the way a group that needs a large amount of stuff on a regular or semi-regular basis works in the real world. Most restaurants don't go to the grocery store to buy all their meat. They place an order with someone that specializes in delivering meat, and meat is delivered to the restaurant.

The biggest reason people both buy and sell at hubs rather than at highsec-nullsec entry points is that market hubs have everything you need to fit up a ship, or a POS, or whatever for that matter. I know when I want to fit up a ship I don't fly all over trying to find the cheapest price for everything. I go to a market hub because I know I can dock in a shuttle and leave the station with a fully fit ship.

Even if you are buying SRP fits in bulk to take back to null, you still want to be able to buy the entire SRP wherever you are going to stop. You don't want to buy all of your ships and guns at one station, then go somewhere else to buy all of your tanking mods, and somewhere else to pick up ammo and rigs. You will just fly to Jita or whatever, buy a full load, and jump it back out to null.

What I wonder is why more nullsec or lowsec groups, especially those that don't have much of an industry arm, don't just find one or more manufacturers and say "OK, we need this much of this stuff every month, and we will pay you this much for it if you deliver to a highsec exit system." This is the way a group that needs a large amount of stuff on a regular or semi-regular basis works in the real world. Most restaurants don't go to the grocery store to buy all their meat. They place an order with someone that specializes in delivering meat, and meat is delivered to the restaurant.

I'll take a clokie camper to an empire ganker any day of the week. Bring on the Covetors, EC-300's, Falcon\Blackbird, or even the Ventures for the LOLs.

Why is it has always to be sell back at market hubs ? you can always haul your goods to the entry hisec systems to nullsec or lowsec active systems using JF. I'm sure they won't mind buying if you are selling at fair prices but not ridiculously high prices that make them import from nearest market hub.

Personally I think mining, refining, building, and eventually selling when done as a group from start to finish offers a better income for the effort.