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Killa Chick
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:43:00 -
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any chance of having you pod 'eject' at speed from your ship ?...getting a bit cheesed at interdictor bubble pk'ing, seems far too easy to pk with these.
16M clone
100M implants
and interdictor bubble gank squad...priceless !!!
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Dust Angel
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:57:00 -
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Perhaps you should fly a fast ship? it will get you out of the bubble most likely.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2006.06.04 08:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Dust Angel
Perhaps you should fly a fast ship? it will get you out of the bubble most likely.
Interceptors are quick. The majority of the time they have no trouble catching a ship and webbing it before it leaves the bubble, or just sniping the target before it makes it out.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.06.04 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gronsak on 04/06/2006 09:03:23
jump clones ftw
edit: you do have a good point, whats the point of ejecting into a pod to land on the interdictr bubble! kinda takes away the eject in the first place
perhaps they should make pods imune to them?
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2006.06.04 09:09:00 -
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Are you the alt of the "killer chick" and "slave chick" characters that we podded last night?
If so, you deserved it just for smacking us in local, and doing pvp without decent intel about enemy movements.
An interdictor is about the only real way to catch a pod that don't lag and know what's it's doing, and they're a double-edged weapon, so they're fine.
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Tolan
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Posted - 2006.06.04 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tolan on 04/06/2006 09:49:08
no im not....just consider your apology accepted. Try keeping it to the topic only please. I realize its difficult..for some. Didnt mean to post with alt.
The basics are. interdictor locks you..webbed..drops bubble can say good bye to pod. Pods should not be immune from bubbles but it should be a bit more tricky than that to pk someone especially as the consequence could be the most serious of all ....SP loss.
Of course killing peeps is all part of the fun, have no issues with that.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.06.04 09:50:00 -
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1) for gods sakes don't call it pk'ing.
2) seriously. just don't.
3) isn't the entire function of the interdictor as a way, in 0.0, to be able to catch the enemy without them being able to get away?
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Tolan
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:11:00 -
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you may be right, its an open discussion to freely give your opinion. What i was wondering was, ok you use the bubble to catch the ship...ok thats fine...but should the same bubble catch the pod with no extra effort?
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KillmAll187
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tolan
doesnt mention specialized 'blowing-upness of ones pod'..(PK is so much easier).
See the dictionary on left hand column. The easy to say word you are looking for is "podding". Which is why I think you shouldn't be in 0.0 anyhow.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:31:00 -
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I hope you do know, that fighting INSIDE the bubble is risky for both sides? I got podded twice already inside my own bubble when my own dictor went *pop* and i couldnt escape.
Also like it was stated earlier - this is the only way of catching pods if hostile pilot knows what is he doing.
And there are many ways of escaping from dictor bubbles (speed/cloak etc) - but as dictor pilot i wont give you details :)
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Kuninia
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:43:00 -
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Sad to say it but this freaking interdictor podding discourage even more the carebears to touch 0.0.And wait till they become hugely popular...it'll be a mess...
With this concept CCP was too cruel with its casual playerbase.
Just my 2c
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Korun Kiatarr
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Posted - 2006.06.04 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kuninia
Sad to say it but this freaking interdictor podding discourage even more the carebears to touch 0.0.And wait till they become hugely popular...it'll be a mess...
With this concept CCP was too cruel with its casual playerbase.
Just my 2c
The sort of carebear who cries about losing his pod to an interdictor doesnt belong in 0.0 anyway.
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Palx
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kuninia
Sad to say it but this freaking interdictor podding discourage even more the carebears to touch 0.0.And wait till they become hugely popular...it'll be a mess...
With this concept CCP was too cruel with its casual playerbase.
Just my 2c
Not like you can use all that standing you have gained by running lvl4s in empire t buy a jump clone so you don't et podded with implants, is it?
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jernej
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Posted - 2006.06.04 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Are you the alt of the "killer chick" and "slave chick" characters that we podded last night?
If so, you deserved it just for smacking us in local, and doing pvp without decent intel about enemy movements.
An interdictor is about the only real way to catch a pod that don't lag and know what's it's doing, and they're a double-edged weapon, so they're fine.
Buhu you killed chick? Well 7 more to match me:P
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Hoshi
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Posted - 2006.06.04 12:40:00 -
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You can always log off, that will get the pod out of the bubble. But any good interdictor pilot will have a covert standing by to catch those that try, starting to loose count on the number of ships/pods probed down and killed after logging to get out of a bubble.
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FFGR
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Posted - 2006.06.04 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kuninia
Sad to say it but this freaking interdictor podding discourage even more the carebears to touch 0.0.And wait till they become hugely popular...it'll be a mess...
With this concept CCP was too cruel with its casual playerbase.
Just my 2c
Risk vs Reward
And what will you do about alt spies that use shuttles/pods ? How can you catch them ?
An ID is an invaluable asset to any fleet small or big (even roaming squads benefit) because you have a mobile bubble launcher.
Now, have you done ANY PvP ? Been in 0.0 ever ? Well, personally I'm bored of having to dedicate 2-3 of my slots just to be able to scramble somebody cause of the multible stabs fitted.
How about people that use a full wrack of stabs ? You need multible people on him and people that die that way tend to scream "GANK! GANK!".
I'm happy that the ID is here ... I can finally kill all those annoying shuttles and pods.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.04 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
You can always log off, that will get the pod out of the bubble. But any good interdictor pilot will have a covert standing by to catch those that try, starting to loose count on the number of ships/pods probed down and killed after logging to get out of a bubble.
Any smart interdictor pilot will petition you for exploiting (yes it is known bug with spheres).
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.06.04 15:32:00 -
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/me hugs jump clones.
Easy way to avoid dictor bubbles would be to stay out of 0.0.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.04 15:42:00 -
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... or just scout ahead...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.04 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/06/2006 16:02:43
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
... or just scout ahead...
Yea, because you should need a scout alt for moving a T1 frigate through 0.0. Or maybe that's a LITTLE overreaction.
Oh and Deva, I know plenty of 'dictor pilots who drop the bubble and log, so...
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AnxietyAttack
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Posted - 2006.06.04 16:12:00 -
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If you log in combat you deserve to die imo. If you don't know how to travel safely through 0.0, maybe you shouldn't be in it, instead takin the easy way and complaining because you couldn't be assed to scout, use map function or swap to jump clone without implants.
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.04 16:13:00 -
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Maya - then petition them. It isnt that hard.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.04 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Oh and Deva, I know plenty of 'dictor pilots who drop the bubble and log, so...
Those guys don't know how to fly an interdictor... its quite easy to get out of trouble with an interdictor since dropping a sphere is not aggressive (nor should it be - anchoring a bubble isn't either).
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.04 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/06/2006 16:44:36
Assumption - that the combats were at a gate. They were not.
Deva Blackfire, can you provide a link to where it's declared an exploit? Thanks!
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.04 16:47:00 -
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Cant because all posts concerning that thingy were deleted by mods some time ago :)
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.04 16:48:00 -
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Then I'm not going to waste my time on it.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.06.04 17:36:00 -
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if you don't like bubbles, stay out of 0.0.
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Sakura Nihil
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Posted - 2006.06.04 17:50:00 -
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Don't risk something you can't afford to lose. If you didn't have an up-to-date clone, and the ability to take a podkill loss without financial problems, you shouldn't have been out there - its your fault, simple as that.
Either accept the risks or stay in empire.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.06.04 17:59:00 -
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there is allways bringing out a battlecruiser or even a cruiser, doubt an interdictor can take much firepower since they are destroyers based and as such have ****ty defense.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.06.04 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
there is allways bringing out a battlecruiser or even a cruiser, doubt an interdictor can take much firepower since they are destroyers based and as such have ****ty defense.
Interdictors are rarely, if ever, alone.
Oh, and if you see one alone its probably a trap and you should immediately safespot.
(now I should be able to run gate camps easier!  )
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2006.06.04 18:35:00 -
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I don't really see why people are so peeved about 'dictors. We're talking about a 20-30 million isk ship with the structural integrity of wet paper that does basically the same thing as a t1 frigate carrying a warp bubble (I know, I know, there are tactical differences, but those mostly apply to fleet battles. Gate camping is almost always better served by warp bubbles than by interdictors). I mean, they're not "I win" ships by a long shot. A few days ago I was running some cargo around in a Kestrel and jumped into a 'dictor bubble camp (inty + 'dictor + something larger). I was able to MWD out of range of the bubble (yay web, slowing that inty down just enough!) and get away with about 80% armor remaining. And if I can do it in a slow-a** t1 frigate with just a MWD & web, then anyone can.
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madaluap
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Posted - 2006.06.04 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
I don't really see why people are so peeved about 'dictors. We're talking about a 20-30 million isk ship with the structural integrity of wet paper that does basically the same thing as a t1 frigate carrying a warp bubble (I know, I know, there are tactical differences, but those mostly apply to fleet battles. Gate camping is almost always better served by warp bubbles than by interdictors). I mean, they're not "I win" ships by a long shot. A few days ago I was running some cargo around in a Kestrel and jumped into a 'dictor bubble camp (inty + 'dictor + something larger). I was able to MWD out of range of the bubble (yay web, slowing that inty down just enough!) and get away with about 80% armor remaining. And if I can do it in a slow-a** t1 frigate with just a MWD & web, then anyone can.
That you survived a noobcamp isnt weird, a inty would mwd rightaway speed up to 4 km/s and than while you web it, it webs you and scrambles you aswell. Not to mention by the time you decloacked the guns/missiles from the interdictor will be firing, you will take a lot of damage.
I survived jump-in from empire to 0.0 in a hauler they had 8 bs and tacklers, does that make bs crap, no the pilots are just crap.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2006.06.04 19:02:00 -
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Nothing wrong with interdictors, personally i always get into an empty jump clone before going to 0.0 
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Scarlet Pimpernel
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Posted - 2006.06.05 10:13:00 -
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Since we're on the subject would someone mind explaining how the probes work?
Is it like scan probes in that your just fire them with no target (in which case how do you know where the bubble will be?) or is the bubble created around the 'dictor ship (so you're stuck in the centre)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.05 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 05/06/2006 10:22:52
Originally by: Scarlet Pimpernel
Since we're on the subject would someone mind explaining how the probes work?
Is it like scan probes in that your just fire them with no target (in which case how do you know where the bubble will be?) or is the bubble created around the 'dictor ship (so you're stuck in the centre)
dropped like a scan probe. of couse, it means the dictor has to get out of his bubble before being able to warp off, but there are other solutions to that in this thread 
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If you go into 0.0 without an up-to-date clone, you deserve to get podded and lose skills. If your clone was up-to-date and you still lost skills, petition it and you'll get them back.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.06.05 10:31:00 -
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Interdictors are fine.
Interdictors with huggin support is a sploitz 
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Semkhet
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Posted - 2006.06.05 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
I don't really see why people are so peeved about 'dictors. We're talking about a 20-30 million isk ship with the structural integrity of wet paper that does basically the same thing as a t1 frigate carrying a warp bubble (I know, I know, there are tactical differences, but those mostly apply to fleet battles. Gate camping is almost always better served by warp bubbles than by interdictors). I mean, they're not "I win" ships by a long shot. A few days ago I was running some cargo around in a Kestrel and jumped into a 'dictor bubble camp (inty + 'dictor + something larger). I was able to MWD out of range of the bubble (yay web, slowing that inty down just enough!) and get away with about 80% armor remaining. And if I can do it in a slow-a** t1 frigate with just a MWD & web, then anyone can.
Your tactic was succesfull only because your opponents either had crap skills, low quality gear, or a mix of both. You webbed the inty (engaged as interdictor support) while he did'n web you ? And you believe that you faced competent players ?
Besides dropping spheres, Interdictors may fly over 4 Km/sec and don't have the ROF penalty afflicting their T1 counterpart.
Therefore I kindly advise you not to draw conclusions based on a single interaction with a mickey mouse camp...
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.06.05 12:03:00 -
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Don't whine about interdictors look at it this way: if something other then an inty or a hauler warps into the bubble it's dead
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Scarlet Pimpernel
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Posted - 2006.06.05 20:20:00 -
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How are you supposed to fit the disrupt probe launcher anyway, it needs a huge amount of CPU and I dont see any reductions to CPU use on the ship or the skills
What am I missing?
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.05 20:23:00 -
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Hidden bonus for dictors. It needs only 100CPU to fit launcher
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Pointless Vengence
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Posted - 2006.06.05 20:31:00 -
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Are interdectors scary? Yep . . . BUT
It has given players a reason to fit Smartbombs which can bring a sphere down in one pulse . . . thus making useful what was once . . .
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.06.05 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/06/2006 16:44:36
Assumption - that the combats were at a gate. They were not.
Deva Blackfire, can you provide a link to where it's declared an exploit? Thanks!
Intentional disco for personal gain has been considered an exploit in pretty much every online game I've played.
Also, if you want a really priceless moment, try the interdictor pilot that bubbled himself in a panic in M-O - two of us in inties attacked a lone interdictor, who just managed to get a bubble out before he died. And yes, we podded him for his trouble and went along our merry way.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2006.06.05 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Joerd Toastius
Also, if you want a really priceless moment, try the interdictor pilot that bubbled self in panic ... who just managed to get a bubble out before died.....
Weirda have done that to self... 
bubble now assigned to f-12 instead of right next to other weapon...
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2006.06.05 21:51:00 -
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Noobish q... can you actually assign stuff to F9-F12 keys? 
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2006.06.05 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet
Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Yadda yadda about surviving a 'dictor camp
Your tactic was succesfull only because your opponents either had crap skills, low quality gear, or a mix of both. You webbed the inty (engaged as interdictor support) while he did'n web you ? And you believe that you faced competent players ?
Well, I can't make any claims about those campers competence, but it seemed like a good arguement against the folks who claim that interdictors are unfairly strong. If they were, then even a poor camp would have no problem taking out ships. My main point is that they're really not much more, tactically, than a frigate carrying a bubble when it comes to gate camps.
And for the record, the inty did web me, it just didn't web me until I was just leaving the bubble - which, I think, just gave me a nice boost into warp
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Jin Masaru
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Posted - 2006.06.06 05:28:00 -
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Perhaps CCP should install a delay system whereby players cannot post on the forums for an hour after losing a ship/pod. That way people can cool down a bit and we will have alot less teary eyed posts about how such and such is too powerful.
Just relax. You'll be fine. Interdictors are nowhere near overpowered, they just perform their role well.
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