Making it impossible for Hi Sec industrial and missioning corps to play the part of the game that they enjoy and ultimately turning Hi Sec into another form of Low Sec since it is really cheap to ask concorde to look the other way.

My concern in part 2 destroys the gameplay experience for these "carebears" who actually fill a central role in the overall game. Trading in LP for special mods to sell on the market to people that enjoy PVP'ing. Or mining and producing ships that will later be destroyed in combat. This line of work is becoming way too risky and is being trolled way too often, and it seems that CCP just keeps making it easier to troll these people.

It seems for a 2009 char you know very little.

CCP increased the cost of deccing corps and alliance a lot. Remember when it was 2 mil for your first dec, 4 for your second and 8 mil for you 3rd war.

It is now 50 mil up to 500mil depending on the number of people you have.

Educate yourself before you post something that makes you look like you know nothing.

And as well... Thanks for adding you alliance on my list of wardecs.

I'm concerned that you're not too familiar with the old war dec system. Yes war deccing a single corp use to be cheaper (which I stated) but war deccing alliances was much more expensive. I recommend you do your research my friend.

LOL telling Cannibal Kane to do his research on war decs. That's rich. If Kane says it's X, you can believe it's X.

I'm not saying he's wrong. As a matter of fact he is correct. Perhaps he should just read my original post a little more diligently before attempting to correct me. And he stated nothing on war decc'ing alliances. So again. Maybe don't troll, but instead actually read.

My suggestion, which is really just a base suggestion and is in no way perfect, is to either;

1) make war more costly for the aggressor as this will inspire them to choose targets more selectively (No war is started without a purpose or to just find easy targets, which is the case now in HiSec).

2) allow "carebears" the same right that you allow PVPer's. Since PvP corps can pay concorde a sum of isk every week to look the other way. Why not allow carebears to pay concorde a sum of isk every week to not allow them to be war decc'd.

I know a lot of pvp people will hate the 2nd idea because it'll make it too easy to keep safe in high-sec. To this I argue that it is currently too unsafe. I propose that a mixture of these 2 be instantiated. Increase the cost to war dec someone and continue war decc'ing them in order to make people choose targets more selectively and allow corps to pay a large sum each week to keep from being war decc'd.

I look forward to hearing people's replies and any stemming ideas.
-D

war deccing alliances was much more expensive.

Look at his post again. He most definitely did mention alliances.

That's only fair. I don't like the idea of invulnerable people in HiSec either, but there needs to be a reason or objective behind war. No war is fought just to shed blood of random people.

there needs to be a reason or objective behind war. No war is fought just to shed blood of random people.

2nd is to Katherine Raven. If people want targets to shoot at, grow some balls and move out to low sec or null sec. Don't be pansies about it and only shoot at people that don't want to fight. The war decc'ing system should not be a way to bribe Concorde to look the other way unless there's a way to bribe them to stand up for you. That's only fair. I don't like the idea of invulnerable people in HiSec either, but there needs to be a reason or objective behind war. No war is fought just to shed blood of random people.

I understand what you mean when you say that no war is fought just to shed blood of random people

1) The 'Why won't you just leave me alone?!' types. They do not understand that being 'left alone' in a competitive MMO is nonsense and would make everybody's gameplay pointless - including their own. They basically do not want competition in a competitive MMO . They don't want to actually PLAY a game, they want to 'just relax' (their own words, often).

2) The 'Come at me bro!' types. They take time to learn and understand game mechanics. They have no issue at all in dealing with wardecs, either through 'drop corp' tricks or by good awareness and piloting. They also enjoy EVE competition in non-combat activities and they might sometimes use the wardec system themselves (hiring mercs) to gain an edge over other carebear corps.


IMHO the first category doesn't contribute much to the game (they might as well play on SiSi) while the second one does. So the game certainly shouldn't be made duller for the second type of players (+ all the PVPers) just to make the first category happier.

Actually the first group contributes all those ships and mods we so love to go blow things up with. They they're pretty much the entire reason that the pvp even exists in the first place and we're not all just flying around in pods bumping eachother.

There are a bunch of pretty good examples of entire peoples having their lands invaded and populations exterminated/eaten/enslaved even though it served very little appreciable benefit for the people doing it.

In those cases it tends to be what happened is one group with a predilection for violence and the ability to carry it out becomes aware of another group that has an aversion to violence and no means or even a particular inclination to resist it. The subsequent conflict typically favors the aggressor pretty strongly. A good example is what happened with the Moriori people of the Chatham islands. Tribes are a good lens to look at groups of players in EVE through.

I probably wasn't clear enough. The second group are PVEers/industrialists too. They just don't whine, so arguably they mine, loot, salvage and manufacture much more than the first.

Can't speak for any of those "griefer corps" but my guess is they're mostly looking to do just that, shed blood of random people - on the off chance one undocks their prized mission boat or hauler stuffed with all their belongings.

Everyone goes for softer expensive targets when they get the chance - say you go out low-sec in your assault frig. You get the choice of either engaging that bomber running FW missions, or that criminal Omen Navy on the gate, CLEARLY prepared for what you're about to bring to the table. It's not rocket science - everyone is gonna go for that bomber in hopes of taking down at least 30mil with the only effort being catching the damn thing.

Fair is not an integral part of this game.

On the issue of there needs to be a reason for a war, not according to the devblog when the wardec mechanism was changed:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/changes-to-war-mechanics

The guidelines even make it clear that wars are a valid career path for merc corps. No reason more than that involved.

1 that is meant to be somewhat safe... "meant to be"

2.) This has gone beyond merc coprs. There's corps out there with 100+ war decs. I guarantee you that they are not "guns for hire" in most of them. Since their targets tend to be smaller insignificant, easy target corps that a larger alliance with money to hire mercs could easily attack on their own. Most actual merc corps get hired to take out much bigger targets.

So I invite you again to come up with another legitimate example of when any people started attacking large numbers of random groups of people for absolutely no reason.