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Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
3953
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Posted - 2014.06.07 06:45:00 -
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I always try to but most of these post is because of the OP's self interest in it. Not because he thinks it is for the good of everybody.
And 99% of these posts comes from people that are under wardecs the whole time which is why I will always question their motives.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
Tengu Grib
Maniacal Laughter Ltd.
CODE.
145
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Posted - 2014.06.07 13:36:00 -
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In addition to what Kane has already said, you would inevitably end up with a merc alliance out tree with excellent faction standing that would now get help from faction police when steamrolling smaller corps. Congrats, you just made the problem you identified worse. Now you'd have players getting killed on gates by NPC's then wondering why cops are shooting them.
Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever.
SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
Donima
HappyPantz Inc
Slopy-Drop
9
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Posted - 2014.06.08 09:30:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:In addition to what Kane has already said, you would inevitably end up with a merc alliance out tree with excellent faction standing that would now get help from faction police when steamrolling smaller corps. Congrats, you just made the problem you identified worse. Now you'd have players getting killed on gates by NPC's then wondering why cops are shooting them.
Again, reading must be hard. I clearly stated (twice) that if the aggressor had a higher standing then the NPC's would stay out of the fight because the aggressing corp has the advantage of picking the target.
To Cannibal, I find that there seems to be an equal number of posts by people currently being war decc'd, and people doing the war decc'ing (actually heavier on the latter side). Then there's a few neutral people such as myself, the OP, that are actually exploring possible solutions. I invite you to join us. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
923
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:15:00 -
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Donima wrote:
I'm just saying it'd be an interesting addition to the mechanic.
Everyone thinks their proposed changes would be an interesting change to the game, regardless of how stupid or pointless the proposal actually is.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
546
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:29:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Donima wrote:
I'm just saying it'd be an interesting addition to the mechanic.
Everyone thinks their proposed changes would be an interesting change to the game, regardless of how stupid or pointless the proposal actually is. This proposal at least has some fresh ideas and some serious effort put in it. A long-ish read, but worth it, imo. Check it out. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:41:00 -
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I want to start off by saying that on my main I live in null sec and run anoms all day so this mechanic does not really effect me much directly. That being said I agree mostly with the OP and I think the current war dec mechanics are very crappy and affect corps friendly to new players far more than anyone else.
I've noticed any time my CEO posts a recruitment add on the forums we get war deced shortly after and it usually last for a few weeks after we stop looking for new players. My corp is very noob friendly and over the years I've helped a lot of new players get up and going in the game. With the current system I've seen a lot of new players just stop playing after they have been under war dec for two or three weeks strait and can't even undock with out getting blown up and they have no idea how to avoid it.
High sec needs to be much safer than low and null and have a much lower earning potential so that players have a reason to move to low sec once they have the understanding of game mechanics to be able to survive the experience or at least understand their mistakes enough to learn from them.
Right now the people that benefit from concord protection the most are gankers and carebear war dec corps. The people that benefit the least are industrialist, PvEers and newer players. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2315
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Posted - 2014.06.25 22:30:00 -
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Players actually mine, transport, and to other high sec ops (not related to operating a POS) in non-NPC corporations? WHY??!!! |
Respute
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.26 07:11:00 -
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When will industrialists understand that wardecs and suicide ganking improves their own profit margin and reduces their competition?
Think about the big picture instead of your own existence for a moment.
Ships exploding drives the economy. More boom more buck. Best part is the wardec might be against a competing corp and now you have a week to reap the benefits. If your smarter/better than the competition then let them die in fire, and when a wardec comes your be better at surviving than they were... It's really not hard, and has been explained in detail in this thread.
Oh wait you mentioned paying concord to be wardec immune. Yea... Not only is that boring, hurts the little Indy corps, makes rich pilots safer, and reduces economic activity. How about spending 50mill on a corp to help defend you. There are plenty of corps that will take the job just for the targets alone, and thus generating more pew, more profits, and more fun.
You that is the fundamental aspect that makes EVE unique. Stop trying to ruin it because you refuse to adapt, socialize, or make an effort. In fact there is a place for you people... It's called an NPC corp. If you want a chat channel to chat with your other little bear buddies there are multi person chat channels built in for a reason.
If you can't or refuse to deal with an integral and fun part of EVE then stay in the NPC corp.
Posted by someone who has only been on the receiving end of wardecs |
Respute
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.26 07:15:00 -
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Oh and in reply to the bear above me who is talking about war decs hurting noob friendly corps. The last thing a noob needs is to group up with people who can't take care of themselves. That noob will learn far more in a legit and competent corp first. In fact being in a corp that knows how to deal with wardecs will prolly create lifelong positive memories of the game. With you they will bore out or be miserable during war cause their corp is too inexperienced. |
munitqua
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.26 09:05:00 -
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These are all great tears.... 
LIke other people said in the thread, if you dont want to adapt, join a NPC corp, and stop complaining. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1333
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:06:00 -
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Respute wrote:Oh and in reply to the bear above me who is talking about war decs hurting noob friendly corps. The last thing a noob needs is to group up with people who can't take care of themselves.
QFT.
Once you start or join a corporation you are subject to corporate rivalry from that moment on. You gain a number of benefits (taxations, anchorage) in exchange for your immunity to wardecs. This is a basic requirement of a corporation, the bottom line is that you can retain your members and create content, even in the face of hardship. That simply is what it takes to be recognized as a corporation in Eve Online. This is a choice that is forced on nobody, but alas more people then actual content creators make use of the liberty, and find themselves decced, outnumbered and outclassed for an 11% tax cut. |
Intar Medris
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
208
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:34:00 -
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What is broken about it is it is entirely too easy and cost free to dodge a war dec.
1. Just drop corp and hide out in an NPC corp till the dec ends.
2. Have a pre setup corp or two then have all members join that corp till the dec ends.
Not difficult for carebears to dodge war decs nor does it cost them anything. They should either have to pay or carry the war dec with them.
The ease at which war decs are dodged is what breaks the system.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
832
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:48:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:What is broken about it is it is entirely too easy and cost free to dodge a war dec.
1. Just drop corp and hide out in an NPC corp till the dec ends.
2. Have a pre setup corp or two then have all members join that corp till the dec ends.
Not difficult for carebears to dodge war decs nor does it cost them anything. They should either have to pay or carry the war dec with them.
The ease at which war decs are dodged is what breaks the system. I sort of agree but... you can always look for people that actually want to fight. |
Thalos Elongus
30plus
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
6
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Posted - 2014.07.02 10:33:00 -
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I dont see a Problem
You are in Eve, a PVP game..
You agree to beeing blown up the moment you undock...
You agree to join wars by joining a non-NPC Corp |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2014.07.03 20:26:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:What is broken about it is it is entirely too easy and cost free to dodge a war dec.
1. Just drop corp and hide out in an NPC corp till the dec ends.
2. Have a pre setup corp or two then have all members join that corp till the dec ends.
Not difficult for carebears to dodge war decs nor does it cost them anything. They should either have to pay or carry the war dec with them.
The ease at which war decs are dodged is what breaks the system.
Yes, because highsec would be at all functional if 50 mil bought anybody an inescapable week-long carebare hunting license.
Don't forget to pair this with the commonly proposed changes to make NPC corps utterly unlivable just to make sure nobody can ever undock a Freighter again.
Listen, I love killing idiots in hisec, but don't come at this with the perspective that hisec exists primarily to provide a game preserve for real players or that the deer are doing something wrong by running away instead of standing there and letting you shoot them. |
Deebo Singleton
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:46:00 -
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Abla Tive wrote:My carebear alliance was recently decced.
Corp mining events were cancelled and the most
common reaction to the dec was that members stopped logging in.
When the war was over, many but not all of our members started logging in again.
Yes, there are many different ways to respond to a war dec,
but the stop playing response is quite strong in many players.
I am sure to be informed that those players who stopped playing were not "right" for EVE anyway and therefore no loss to the game.
I'm not sure what you need to be informed of, but that was/is self-evident. If someone plays a game, gets fed up with it for whatever reason, and quits playing it... what does the game lose? Are they "good," for the game?
People stop and start playing on a daily basis for diffirent reasons, many of them mutually contradictory. If you point was to say that "had it not been for wardecing, this game would have many more subs today," I would have to say, I doubt it. The game has marched on a long time with more griefplay than is in the game at present. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum
14
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Posted - 2014.07.07 12:47:00 -
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High sec is another form of low sec, until your redeemer pilot turns his safety to red and shoots a fleet member and gets concorded forgetting it wasnt low sec. RIP
Anyways yes its cheap to make war these days ( and the rising cost of hookers means make war not love ) which has lead to the rise of high sec merc corps and war dec corps, but the way i see it that also acts as incentive to move people out of high sec and into more dangerous zones of space to avoid mercenary corps that usually wont enter low sec where they lose the upper hand of neutral logi and untouchable bump ships.
Yes war dec system could use tweaking, but its not quite broken. almost but not yet
Is it bad if your friend says "that was a Metaphor" and you say "Meta 4? Get Tech II or faction" ?I love the sound of silent explosions in Space.-á |
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