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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.05.29 16:47:00 -
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If it bothers you that much, fit up a cloaked ship and go spend some time cutting down their income. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1236
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Posted - 2014.05.29 16:54:00 -
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This topic is so old, it is allowed to drink in the Us. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Magnus Cortex
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
153
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Posted - 2014.05.29 17:12:00 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:Could i draw the following conclusings from the quote's above? -In the past is was mainly only Alliance members that used up space, now it is Alliance members AND renters. And looking at dotlan (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances) the renter alliances combined exist out of 22,000 characters, which is equal or slighly more than all the sov owner alliances combined. Where some renter alliances are 4*size of sov owner Alliance. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.pngIf renter & sov corp are the same size or more, why are renters not just take it or how are sov holders manage to capture / maintain the space? Is it because of titans? like what John Ending sais? (I am sorry i am a noob) And where is isk actualy spend on, by those 2 groups? What effects will that have? Could i draw the conclusion that eve is just scaling up and that titans are a common thing now? Would it be something to have that can doomsday a titan?
Renting has been a thing for many years but the recent explosion in growth is due to the Technetium nerf. Alliances like PL could fund themselves indefinitely by holding a number of these high value moons and didnt bother with sov anywhere at all.
The R64 buff never panned out to the same levels as Technetium and they are much more scattered to begin with so alliances cannot fund themselves solely off of moons like they used to during the Tech days.
Sov in its current form is heavily skewed to the defender and essentially- that big 'ol block of Brothers of Tangra and Northern Associates space (the whole right side of the map) is held by Archons and Supercaps. With an Archon carrier group they can cross all of that space in minutes and defend any timer. If anything that can threaten the Archons come along the Supers show up.
Should such a small group of people be able to control that much space for very little effort? That is a design and balance question only CCP can answer. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
15689
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Posted - 2014.05.29 17:15:00 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:Hi,
I am wondering what the 0.0 renter status and the isk injection means for the eve economy. Does someone know this?
Why would this be a concern? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
114
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Posted - 2014.05.29 17:49:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If it bothers you that much, fit up a cloaked ship and go spend some time cutting down their income.
Damn right, they'd be hiding in NPC null and taking out "disruptive and highly destructive" inty gangs daily to destroy all of sov-holding scum!
Wait, what? |
BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
423
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:13:00 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:[If all the supermarkets would hand out cookies for free and other food still cost $$$, what effect would it have on the eating paterns of the supermarket customers?
Wut?
They would probably get some cookies, but still buy what they needed... except for cookies. Unless they don't like the cookies the supermarket is giving away, since the supermarket is profit based and is probably giving away stale or unpopular overstock items. In which case, the free cookie program will not change the dietary patterns of many humans except the ones who cannot control themselves.
Again, how is this related to your question? Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
JITAALT808
Boom. Boom. Boom.
21
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:31:00 -
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There is an assumption that alliance members and renters are always separate people/groups. This isn't necessarily true. There are many "renter" corps that are run by alliance alts who are running businesses to rake in taxes from what amounts to sub-renters. There are also many "renter" corps that aren't really renters, they are hidden cap producers/material suppliers taking advantage of the protection of the renter accords.
Also, many of the FW alts are alliance alts grinding ISK for the titans produced by those hidden producers. The Russians are all over the FW grind right now.
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Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.05.29 20:30:00 -
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Renting can suck when your opponent loves to stealth bomber - camp the area and titans are bridging into your territories. lol |
Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.29 21:26:00 -
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Personally I'd like to see renting as a supported game mechanic rather than just something CFC and some of the others use.
More Deadspace/Officer mods coming into the economy? Awesome. I fail to see how an increase in content use is a problem. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1850
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Posted - 2014.05.29 21:45:00 -
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If you have a problem with renters, grab an inty and have some fun. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10152
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Posted - 2014.05.30 04:05:00 -
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Dominus Tempus wrote:Personally I'd like to see renting as a supported game mechanic rather than just something CFC and some of the others use. Uh, it is a supported game mechanic. Everything you need to make it work is already in place, as you can see quite plainly. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10152
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Posted - 2014.05.30 04:08:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:Trin Javidan wrote:Could i draw the following conclusings from the quote's above? -In the past is was mainly only Alliance members that used up space, now it is Alliance members AND renters. And looking at dotlan (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances) the renter alliances combined exist out of 22,000 characters, which is equal or slighly more than all the sov owner alliances combined. Where some renter alliances are 4*size of sov owner Alliance. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.pngIf renter & sov corp are the same size or more, why are renters not just take it or how are sov holders manage to capture / maintain the space? Is it because of titans? like what John Ending sais? (I am sorry i am a noob) And where is isk actualy spend on, by those 2 groups? What effects will that have? Could i draw the conclusion that eve is just scaling up and that titans are a common thing now? Would it be something to have that can doomsday a titan? Apparently, Shadow of Death and Solar Wing were pretty big renter alliances. I just do not remember how big they were compared to what we see today. But like it was said above, renters have existed in Eve for a very long time! Its not a new things but...it is probably bigger then what it was before. And if renters would try to take the sov from their "owners"....I think it would end pretty badly for them. The owners would not even need Titans! Solar Wing was absolutely massive. I don't remember quite how big but for quite a while they had the most systems by far. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Snakebyte Jack
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.05.31 06:39:00 -
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Its kind of simple. If you dont want to support such tactics, dont be a rent-boy. |
flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2179
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Posted - 2014.05.31 09:04:00 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:Thanks for all the replies! I think i begin to understand it. Could i draw the following conclusings from the quote's above? -In the past is was mainly only Alliance members that used up space, now it is Alliance members AND renters. And looking at dotlan (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances) the renter alliances combined exist out of 22,000 characters, which is equal or slighly more than all the sov owner alliances combined. Where some renter alliances are 4*size of sov owner Alliance. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.pngIf renter & sov corp are the same size or more, why are renters not just take it or how are sov holders manage to capture / maintain the space? Is it because of titans? like what John Ending sais? (I am sorry i am a noob) And where is isk actualy spend on, by those 2 groups? What effects will that have? Could i draw the conclusion that eve is just scaling up and that titans are a common thing now? Would it be something to have that can doomsday a titan?
Ow now that would be fun to watch , we could make it a new CCP live event as i'm sure the outcome would be about the same as the last live event wich went to null-sec to 'kick some ass' .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
2179
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Posted - 2014.05.31 09:06:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Trin Javidan wrote: -In the past is was mainly only Alliance members that used up space, now it is Alliance members AND renters.
Renting has been a "thing" for as long as I can remember. It's not new. Pearl-clutching histrionics over renters is kind of new, though.
Well there is a slight difference i think in regards to the 'old renters' also having the 'rule' to come to their landlords aid in fights/wars while these days i think that is mostly not the case but more of a 'hell if you insist on joining our fleet sure but we rather not have you bears in it tbfh' though not 100% sure .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Serene Repose
1358
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Posted - 2014.05.31 14:39:00 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:Hi,I am wondering what the 0.0 renter status and the isk injection means for the eve economy. Does someone know this? Hi,I am wondering where's this "serious concern"?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
420
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Posted - 2014.05.31 21:55:00 -
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Hey, someone has to farm the ISK for me to destroy (by trading and cashing in FW LPs). |
Sergeant Dashing
Margaritas and Fajitas
17
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Posted - 2014.06.01 06:26:00 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:How is it injecting isk? Outside of normal ratting/anomaly income that would have come from non-renters anyways. the focus lies on the easyness off obtaining it with the current 0.0 geographics & the botlord agreements
What did I even read |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4662
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Posted - 2014.06.01 11:18:00 -
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Oh wait I get it!
Renters = Immigrants
Stealth xenophobia thread
Gotcha "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
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Posted - 2014.06.04 13:34:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Oh wait I get it!
Renters = Immigrants
Stealth xenophobia thread
Gotcha
No, stealth "wtf all this renting is making mah plex too high topic", but most pancakes dont even get it. Fair enough. |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6638
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Posted - 2014.06.04 13:43:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Oh wait I get it!
Renters = Immigrants
Stealth xenophobia thread
Gotcha
DEY DERK AR DERBS
Derbs = anoms btw.
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