ISK injection? You mean bounties?

How is it injecting isk? Outside of normal ratting/anomaly income that would have come from non-renters anyways.

yes and easy obtainable plex loot

botlord agreements

Well if renters didn't do it, then the alliance holder pilots would. So I'm not sure I understand the problem.

Ahh, so you actually wish to talk about bots and their role in this?

Still waiting for you to tell us of these serious concerns tbh. I care not for supermarket taste testers or loss leaders.

I know you dont care, you are just trolling

Ahh so you not telling us the actual serious concerns you allude too, makes me a troll?

So I ask, what serious concerns do you mean?

not sure if bad at english, or troll thread.

i dont know, you tell me... me thinks i should place my forgotten ? behind it i guess

Most likely because the flood of FW alts are offsetting the 0.0 renters. That is IF the renter situation was that bad, which I wouldn't know.

Isnt FW more dangerous? Srry i am a noob, i would think that in FW you can be shot by a whole coalition everywere and in renter system you simply hide when some red is in local? an or use mobile bubbles?

Hi,

I am wondering what the 0.0 renter status and the isk injection means for the eve economy. Does someone know this?

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Yes and no, you can gain a massive amount of LP just by orbiting a beacon with little risk so long as you spam D-scan. I gained 50k last night in a 2 week old pilot by doing that, without guns even.....

Isnt FW more dangerous? Srry i am a noob, i would think that in FW you can be shot by a whole coalition everywere and in renter system you simply hide when some red is in local? an or use mobile bubbles?

Well if renters didn't do it, then the alliance holder pilots would. So I'm not sure I understand the problem.

Also, loot is not an ISK injector.

How is it injecting isk? Outside of normal ratting/anomaly income that would have come from non-renters anyways.

Because there are more people out there due to the ability to rent than there would be if renting was not possible. Right now there are renters AND alliance members. If renting were impossible, there would just be alliance members. Result: More people slurping up the big bounties.

But I see no way to make renting impossible, so we have what we have.

Because there are more people out there due to the ability to rent than there would be if renting was not possible. Right now there are renters AND alliance members. If renting were impossible, there would just be alliance members. Result: More people slurping up the big bounties.

That assumes that they wouldn't make the same kind of ISK elsewhere and that the alliances wouldn't compensate for their income loss by generating more ISK themselves.

Yes and no, you can gain a massive amount of LP just by orbiting a beacon with little risk so long as you spam D-scan. I gained 50k last night in a 2 week old pilot by doing that, without guns even. That is until I got extremely bored and started playing WoT. However it is easy to avoid conflict for the most part, using similar tactics to renters, with more ease actually because you don't need to deal with bubbles.

The only benefit of FW or LP in general is the fact that it is a massive ISK sink, in comparison to 0.0 plexing/ratting.

Hi,

I am wondering what the 0.0 renter status and the isk injection means for the eve economy. Does someone know this?

That.s right, I'm assuming the bounties from rats in null sec belts are higher than the ones in low sec and high sec. Remember, the OPs question was about isk injection, not income.

Quick actual figures. Based on CCP's figures for 2012-2013 Null sec ratting/anoms injected somewhere in the region of 25-30 Trillion isk a month which is about 50% of isk injected into the economy.

i dont know, you tell me... me thinks i should place my forgotten ? behind it i guess

That sounds awfully high, considering that bounties as a whole is maybe 50% of the ISK injected.

But I see no way to make renting impossible, so we have what we have.

Link appears to have been taken down to my reference material, but bounties were around 60-70% if I remember right, I'll look through the 2014 fanfest economy video at home tonight if I get time to check if they put the 2013-2014 graph up at any point showing the same dataset, and what numbers that had.

Ahh, so you actually wish to talk about bots and their role in this?

There's too many Bulgarians and Romanians in EvE.

What is going to happen is this:

With the industry overhaul, we are looking at a serious spike in overall prices.
Plexes are already out of control, but CCP has stated explicitly that the rest of the economy is in a deflationary state.

However, we are faced with the perfect storm of the new huge industry fees and ever-accelerating null sec PvE cranking overall prices higher. Naturally, the cartel propagandists will come out of the wordwork and blame high sec PvE as the culprit. CCP will then use that as an excuse to hammer high sec PvE in some manner.

Where is CCP Diagoras when you need him? Oh yeah, now I remember what CCP did with him for supplying too many facts that punched holes in the lies of the null sec cartels.

On the one hand dinsfoildale says its all our fault, but on the other hand, I don't remember actually asking CCP to multiply the minerals required to build a dominix from my BPO by 2.2 - ie I was happy selling brutixes for 24, and dominixes for 55m.

I'd have to say that if you were to look at that change, and the price of plexes, you'd have to say that both prices that dinsfoildale cares about (things, and plex), would probably be being set by isoboxer.

Yes yes Dino, whatever you say, keep it in church

your quoting-fu is weak

yes and easy obtainable plex loot

Dinsdale is a pawn of the High Sec Empires, more notably the Amarr Emperor Family and the Brutor Tribe Treasury. His propagandist ranting and xenophobic attitude in regards to anyone who dares live in security under 0.5 is a clear indictation of what he wants.

I like to think of him as one of the best and most serious role-players on these forums. You know he does his job well because of the reactions he gets and the emotions he stirs.

"botlord" is what lazy people say in reference to the B0TLRD Accord. It has nothing to do with botting - B0T is the Brothers of Tangra alliance, PL's renters.

Because there are more people out there due to the ability to rent than there would be if renting was not possible. Right now there are renters AND alliance members. If renting were impossible, there would just be alliance members. Result: More people slurping up the big bounties.
But I see no way to make renting impossible, so we have what we have.

It means a lot of Titans.

That assumes that they wouldn't make the same kind of ISK elsewhere and that the alliances wouldn't compensate for their income loss by generating more ISK themselves.

What an odd thing to say - as if renting only exists because there isn't a technical way to render it impossible, and if only there were such a mechanism, it would be done away with as something undesirable.

Quick actual figures. Based on CCP's figures for 2012-2013 Null sec ratting/anoms injected somewhere in the region of 25-30 Trillion isk a month which is about 50% of isk injected into the economy.

Thanks for all the replies! I think i begin to understand it.

Could i draw the following conclusings from the quote's above?
-In the past is was mainly only Alliance members that used up space, now it is Alliance members AND renters. And looking at dotlan (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances) the renter alliances combined exist out of 22,000 characters, which is equal or slighly more than all the sov owner alliances combined. Where some renter alliances are 4*size of sov owner Alliance.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

If renter & sov corp are the same size or more, why are renters not just take it or how are sov holders manage to capture / maintain the space? Is it because of titans? like what John Ending sais? (I am sorry i am a noob)

And where is isk actualy spend on, by those 2 groups? What effects will that have? Could i draw the conclusion that eve is just scaling up and that titans are a common thing now? Would it be something to have that can doomsday a titan?

-In the past is was mainly only Alliance members that used up space, now it is Alliance members AND renters.

Hey everyone I have concerns about this thing that I know nothing about & magic money it's a huge problem.

Could i draw the following conclusings from the quote's above?
-In the past is was mainly only Alliance members that used up space, now it is Alliance members AND renters. And looking at dotlan (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances) the renter alliances combined exist out of 22,000 characters, which is equal or slighly more than all the sov owner alliances combined. Where some renter alliances are 4*size of sov owner Alliance.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

If renter & sov corp are the same size or more, why are renters not just take it or how are sov holders manage to capture / maintain the space? Is it because of titans? like what John Ending sais? (I am sorry i am a noob)

And where is isk actualy spend on, by those 2 groups? What effects will that have? Could i draw the conclusion that eve is just scaling up and that titans are a common thing now? Would it be something to have that can doomsday a titan?

Apparently, Shadow of Death and Solar Wing were pretty big renter alliances. I just do not remember how big they were compared to what we see today. But like it was said above, renters have existed in Eve for a very long time! Its not a new things but...it is probably bigger then what it was before.

And if renters would try to take the sov from their "owners"....I think it would end pretty badly for them. The owners would not even need Titans!

Could i draw the following conclusings from the quote's above?
-In the past is was mainly only Alliance members that used up space, now it is Alliance members AND renters. And looking at dotlan (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances) the renter alliances combined exist out of 22,000 characters, which is equal or slighly more than all the sov owner alliances combined. Where some renter alliances are 4*size of sov owner Alliance.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

If renter & sov corp are the same size or more, why are renters not just take it or how are sov holders manage to capture / maintain the space? Is it because of titans? like what John Ending sais? (I am sorry i am a noob)

And where is isk actualy spend on, by those 2 groups? What effects will that have? Could i draw the conclusion that eve is just scaling up and that titans are a common thing now? Would it be something to have that can doomsday a titan?

Hi,

I am wondering what the 0.0 renter status and the isk injection means for the eve economy. Does someone know this?

If it bothers you that much, fit up a cloaked ship and go spend some time cutting down their income.

[If all the supermarkets would hand out cookies for free and other food still cost $$$, what effect would it have on the eating paterns of the supermarket customers?

Personally I'd like to see renting as a supported game mechanic rather than just something CFC and some of the others use.

Apparently, Shadow of Death and Solar Wing were pretty big renter alliances. I just do not remember how big they were compared to what we see today. But like it was said above, renters have existed in Eve for a very long time! Its not a new things but...it is probably bigger then what it was before.

And if renters would try to take the sov from their "owners"....I think it would end pretty badly for them. The owners would not even need Titans!

Thanks for all the replies! I think i begin to understand it.

Could i draw the following conclusings from the quote's above?
-In the past is was mainly only Alliance members that used up space, now it is Alliance members AND renters. And looking at dotlan (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliances) the renter alliances combined exist out of 22,000 characters, which is equal or slighly more than all the sov owner alliances combined. Where some renter alliances are 4*size of sov owner Alliance.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

If renter & sov corp are the same size or more, why are renters not just take it or how are sov holders manage to capture / maintain the space? Is it because of titans? like what John Ending sais? (I am sorry i am a noob)

And where is isk actualy spend on, by those 2 groups? What effects will that have? Could i draw the conclusion that eve is just scaling up and that titans are a common thing now? Would it be something to have that can doomsday a titan?

Renting has been a "thing" for as long as I can remember. It's not new. Pearl-clutching histrionics over renters is kind of new, though.

Hi,I am wondering what the 0.0 renter status and the isk injection means for the eve economy. Does someone know this?

the focus lies on the easyness off obtaining it with the current 0.0 geographics & the botlord agreements

Oh wait I get it!

Renters = Immigrants

Stealth xenophobia thread

Gotcha

Oh wait I get it!

Renters = Immigrants

Stealth xenophobia thread

Gotcha