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Trin Javidan Caymen Labs 21	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:20:00 - [1] - Quote Hi, I am wondering what the 0.0 renter status and the isk injection means for the eve economy. Does someone know this?
Mag's the united 17297	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:22:00 - [2] - Quote ISK injection? Do you mean bounties? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1938	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:23:00 - [3] - Quote How is it injecting isk? Outside of normal ratting/anomaly income that would have come from non-renters anyways. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Trin Javidan Caymen Labs 21	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:23:00 - [4] - Quote Mag's wrote: ISK injection? You mean bounties? yes and easy obtainable plex loot
Trin Javidan Caymen Labs 21	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:24:00 - [5] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: How is it injecting isk? Outside of normal ratting/anomaly income that would have come from non-renters anyways. the focus lies on the easyness off obtaining it with the current 0.0 geographics & the botlord agreements
Mag's the united 17297	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:25:00 - [6] - Quote Trin Javidan wrote: Mag's wrote: ISK injection? You mean bounties? yes and easy obtainable plex loot Well if renters didn't do it, then the alliance holder pilots would. So I'm not sure I understand the problem. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1938	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:26:00 - [7] - Quote Plex loot doesn't cause isk injection, and 0.0 bounty income has always been high with or without renters. There has always been meatshield ratters in 0.0 CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Mag's the united 17298	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:27:00 - [8] - Quote Trin Javidan wrote: botlord agreements Ahh, so you actually wish to talk about bots and their role in this? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Trin Javidan Caymen Labs 21	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:29:00 - [9] - Quote Mag's wrote: Trin Javidan wrote: Mag's wrote: ISK injection? You mean bounties? yes and easy obtainable plex loot Well if renters didn't do it, then the alliance holder pilots would. So I'm not sure I understand the problem. If all the supermarkets would hand out cookies for free and other food still cost $$$, what effect would it have on the eating paterns of the supermarket customers?
Mag's the united 17298	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:31:00 - [10] - Quote Still waiting for you to tell us of these serious concerns tbh. I care not for supermarket taste testers or loss leaders. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Trin Javidan Caymen Labs 21	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:32:00 - [11] - Quote Mag's wrote: Trin Javidan wrote: botlord agreements Ahh, so you actually wish to talk about bots and their role in this? no, no botting talks; just curious after the effects of the other stuff thats going on. Another timeframe for this interesting event was just before CCP changed the anomaly spawn sec status spawns somewhere in 2012?
Trin Javidan Caymen Labs 21	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:33:00 - [12] - Quote Mag's wrote: Still waiting for you to tell us of these serious concerns tbh. I care not for supermarket taste testers or loss leaders. I know you dont care, you are just a troll
Dave Stark 6021	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:35:00 - [13] - Quote not sure if bad at english, or troll thread.
Mag's the united 17298	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:35:00 - [14] - Quote Trin Javidan wrote: Mag's wrote: Still waiting for you to tell us of these serious concerns tbh. I care not for supermarket taste testers or loss leaders. I know you dont care, you are just trolling Ahh so you not telling us the actual serious concerns you allude too, makes me a troll? So I ask, what serious concerns do you mean? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Trin Javidan Caymen Labs 21	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:37:00 - [15] - Quote Mag's wrote: Trin Javidan wrote: Mag's wrote: Still waiting for you to tell us of these serious concerns tbh. I care not for supermarket taste testers or loss leaders. I know you dont care, you are just trolling Ahh so you not telling us the actual serious concerns you allude too, makes me a troll? So I ask, what serious concerns do you mean? i dont know, you tell me... me thinks i should place my forgotten ? behind it i guess
Mag's the united 17298	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:38:00 - [16] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: not sure if bad at english, or troll thread. Both I think. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mag's the united 17298	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:39:00 - [17] - Quote Trin Javidan wrote: Mag's wrote: Trin Javidan wrote: Mag's wrote: Still waiting for you to tell us of these serious concerns tbh. I care not for supermarket taste testers or loss leaders. I know you dont care, you are just trolling Ahh so you not telling us the actual serious concerns you allude too, makes me a troll? So I ask, what serious concerns do you mean? i dont know, you tell me... me thinks i should place my forgotten ? behind it i guess ~~I have abso....~~ Wat? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1938	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:42:00 - [18] - Quote The concern would be inflation, however outside of plex prices normal prices don't seem to be increasing greatly. Granted I haven't checked in detail, nor will I. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Mag's the united 17298	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:44:00 - [19] - Quote Well the last report said there was just about the right amount of inflation. But I'd like the OP to detail these serious concerns they have and why renters create them. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1939	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:47:00 - [20] - Quote Most likely because the flood of FW alts are offsetting the 0.0 renters. That is IF the renter situation was that bad, which I wouldn't know. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Trin Javidan Caymen Labs 22	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:57:00 - [21] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: Most likely because the flood of FW alts are offsetting the 0.0 renters. That is IF the renter situation was that bad, which I wouldn't know. Isnt FW more dangerous? Srry i am a noob, i would think that in FW you can be shot by a whole coalition everywere and in renter system you simply hide when some red is in local? an or use mobile bubbles?
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1939	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:02:00 - [22] - Quote Trin Javidan wrote: Brooks Puuntai wrote: Most likely because the flood of FW alts are offsetting the 0.0 renters. That is IF the renter situation was that bad, which I wouldn't know. Isnt FW more dangerous? Srry i am a noob, i would think that in FW you can be shot by a whole coalition everywere and in renter system you simply hide when some red is in local? an or use mobile bubbles? Yes and no, you can gain a massive amount of LP just by orbiting a beacon with little risk so long as you spam D-scan. I gained 50k last night in a 2 week old pilot by doing that, without guns even. That is until I got extremely bored and started playing WoT. However it is easy to avoid conflict for the most part, using similar tactics to renters, with more ease actually because you don't need to deal with bubbles. The only benefit of FW or LP in general is the fact that it is a massive ISK sink, in comparison to 0.0 plexing/ratting. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
John Ending GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 31	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:07:00 - [23] - Quote Trin Javidan wrote: Hi, I am wondering what the 0.0 renter status and the isk injection means for the eve economy. Does someone know this? It means a lot of Titans.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 805	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:14:00 - [24] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: ... Yes and no, you can gain a massive amount of LP just by orbiting a beacon with little risk so long as you spam D-scan. I gained 50k last night in a 2 week old pilot by doing that, without guns even..... Totally. FW dudes cloak when disturbed, decloak when short d-scan goes clear. It's dumber and more lucrative than mining and they make very satisfying kills. Smug farmer frozen corpses are the best. I don't think OP understands what isk injection really is, so easy on the points and dps yo. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 161	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:23:00 - [25] - Quote Trin Javidan wrote: Brooks Puuntai wrote: Most likely because the flood of FW alts are offsetting the 0.0 renters. That is IF the renter situation was that bad, which I wouldn't know. Isnt FW more dangerous? Srry i am a noob, i would think that in FW you can be shot by a whole coalition everywere and in renter system you simply hide when some red is in local? an or use mobile bubbles? If you know what you are doing you can farm all the plexes in one system from DT to DT even while AFK and only moving your farmer when the timer is done. Some FW systems are so dead you might as well have rolled into Jove space with no way in or out.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10769	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:33:00 - [26] - Quote Mag's wrote: Well if renters didn't do it, then the alliance holder pilots would. So I'm not sure I understand the problem. Also, loot is not an ISK injector. Renting works because of the huge amount of otherwise unoccupied space in nullsec. If members of the alliances that own that space would inject that level of ISK, renting wouldn't need to exist because more alliances would make more ISK from taxes than they would from renting that space out. Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 2768	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:44:00 - [27] - Quote Brooks Puuntai wrote: How is it injecting isk? Outside of normal ratting/anomaly income that would have come from non-renters anyways. Because there are more people out there due to the ability to rent than there would be if renting was not possible. Right now there are renters AND alliance members. If renting were impossible, there would just be alliance members. Result: More people slurping up the big bounties. But I see no way to make renting impossible, so we have what we have. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. 1940	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:49:00 - [28] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Brooks Puuntai wrote: How is it injecting isk? Outside of normal ratting/anomaly income that would have come from non-renters anyways. Because there are more people out there due to the ability to rent than there would be if renting was not possible. Right now there are renters AND alliance members. If renting were impossible, there would just be alliance members. Result: More people slurping up the big bounties. But I see no way to make renting impossible, so we have what we have. Not much different than the old NC that would recruit anything with a pulse and would just PVE all the time. Only difference is they charge for it now. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 22246	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:52:00 - [29] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Because there are more people out there due to the ability to rent than there would be if renting was not possible. Right now there are renters AND alliance members. If renting were impossible, there would just be alliance members. Result: More people slurping up the big bounties. That assumes that they wouldn't make the same kind of ISK elsewhere and that the alliances wouldn't compensate for their income loss by generating more ISK themselves. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 2768	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:53:00 - [30] - Quote These days, would you invite your typical renter into your alliance, if, somehow, renting became impossible? No? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/

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