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Ohhhh Feely Nice
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:51:00 -
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If you are travelling at dozens/hundreds of times the speed of light, you should not be able to see the light from the stars and planets so clearly.
As you approach the speed of light things start looking like this http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/faster-speed-of-light-1.jpg
As you pass the speed of light things get very weird. Some theorize you'd see the past unraveling before your eyes. Others claim it's impossible and therefore futile to determine what may happen.
What we can be quite sure of is it certainly wouldn't look the way it does in game.
At the very least please adjust the world of New Eden to look like the linked picture when in warp. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1532
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:52:00 -
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thing is, warp isn't really FTL. it's more akin to space-time bending. You only get the impression that you are travelling faster than light, when in fact, you're bending space-time around you.
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes
Spaceship Samurai
714
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:54:00 -
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Just shut off your screen while you're in warp and imagine something else. I quite enjoy looking around. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:59:00 -
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Next thing you're gonna say is sounds in space? Or how we see overview and brackets in space. |
Lothrus Andastar
Associated North American Lovers of Dolphins
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:02:00 -
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Pod computer is simulating it because otherwise our brains explode from madness.
READ THE LORE! |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:08:00 -
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A "warp tunnel" bends the fabric of space to allow you to move at FTL speeds. This is also why you pass through planets and stars.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:11:00 -
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The capsular interface provides a simulation of the outside universe via ship sensors, a great deal of filtering and enhancement goes on to provide the pilot with essential information without overwhelming him or her. Optical light is only a tiny part of the overall feed and is highly filtered, else flying near the local sun would completely overwhelming as the incredible brightness would overpower all other sensory input.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1756
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:15:00 -
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Quote:As you pass the speed of light things get very weird. Some theorize you'd see the past unraveling before your eyes. Others claim it's impossible and therefore futile to determine what may happen.
Not a past, because what we see now from across the universe is in fact past. We would see the universe aging quite fast everywhere we would go with this speeds. And ultimately we would see an end to the stars we are journeying to. We would come to a desolate space.
When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
641
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:16:00 -
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I close my eyes and wish for targets on grid.
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
311
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:20:00 -
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If were gonna get all technical about this isn't the hud supposed to be like the capsuleer looking at a screen?
So the ship computer could just be building that visual based on where you are in system and what the computer knows about the system.
Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1940
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:28:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote:As you pass the speed of light things get very weird. Some theorize you'd see the past unraveling before your eyes. Others claim it's impossible and therefore futile to determine what may happen. Not a past, because what we see now from across the universe is in fact past. We would see the universe aging quite fast everywhere we would go with this speeds. And ultimately we would see an end to the stars we are journeying to. We would come to a desolate space.
You wouldn't be able to see anything since the only way to achieve anything close to the speed of light is to be broken down into particles. Theoretics are fun and all but is nothing but wishful thinking and educated guesses.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
389
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:34:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:If were gonna get all technical about this isn't the hud supposed to be like the capsuleer looking at a screen?
So the ship computer could just be building that visual based on where you are in system and what the computer knows about the system.
If by screen you mean virtual interface as all information is downloaded into our heads and we are basically in our own virtual reality yes. |
Cypherous
Evil Monkey Asylum
Exploding Supremacy
89
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:41:00 -
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Try https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Warp_drives |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1756
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:41:00 -
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Quote:You wouldn't be able to see anything since the only way to achieve anything close to the speed of light is to be broken down into particles. Theoretics are fun and all but is nothing but wishful thinking and educated guesses.
In theory you could stop for a second there to see how things are going. 
Because theorizing is like unveiling something, predicting.
If theory is correct then the state of the universe we can calculate, we don't have to go anywhere.
When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Doreen Kaundur
353
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:44:00 -
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RL physics dont apply in EVE.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1940
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:50:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:RL physics dont apply in EVE.
This is true, watching them try and explain Concord in the lore, was painful to say the least.
CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it.
Improving NPE-á/ Dynamic New Eden |
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
249
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Posted - 2014.05.27 22:54:00 -
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I think you are wrong. I operate my ship at velocities faster than light speed all the time and it never looks like your picture 
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:As you pass the speed of light things get very weird. Some theorize you'd see the past unraveling before your eyes. Others claim it's impossible and therefore futile to determine what may happen.
There are also theories that allow for FTL travel between A und B by shifting the space around an object without accelerating that object to light speed or faster (i.e. Alcubierre drive). And other theories use natural or artificial wormholes as shortcuts to go from A to B much faster than light, without actually moving faster than light.
Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:What we can be quite sure of is it certainly wouldn't look the way it does in game.
Where did it say that the game is scientifically accurate?
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6416
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Posted - 2014.05.27 23:01:00 -
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I would think things would be a bit morphed visually. Or light you move towards becoming brighter while behind start fading or flickering.
The thing is, warp speed is ~FTL from outside of the bubble perspective, if you can see the traveler go by. And if you are in the bubble looking out from the bubble, sure, things would look distorted to some degree if you could even see out of the bubble. Originally when they put the effect into EVE, it was more correct, less transparent, but they toned it down after complaints. I suppose it's for the best in that case, since it is just a game, and not a hard to do adjustment. But still, it does distort, you can still see the effect in place. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
390
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Posted - 2014.05.27 23:51:00 -
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A friend of mine who is a physicist once told me that while travelling FTL you'd see gorgeous naked space fairies.
CCP please fix animation accordingly. |
Moonlit Raid
State War Academy
Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2014.05.27 23:52:00 -
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I heard this somewhere.
It's a game.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
295
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Posted - 2014.05.28 00:07:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:Just shut off your screen while you're in warp and imagine something else. I quite enjoy looking around.
You're actually far more correct than you might think. Technically, the only thing capsuleers actually see is a computer generated representation of the environment around the ship displayed by a screen a mere several inches from their faces. We (as in capsuleers) aren't looking out a window at real light anyways.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.05.28 00:19:00 -
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I'm aware this does not answer the question completely, but to quote a relevant EVELopedia article:
'So what is the elusive answer to FTL travel? It was found through advanced research in the field of quantum electrodynamics. By creating depleted vacuum, that is, vacuum as found in space but completely stripped of all energy, and then expanding this depleted vacuum to envelop a ship, the ship is capable of moving faster than light. A depleted vacuum bubble is more than frictionless; it is so anti-friction that things (including light) actually move faster in it than they would in complete vacuum.'
ISD Ezwal
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4592
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Posted - 2014.05.28 06:45:00 -
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Ohhhh Feely Nice wrote:If you are travelling at dozens/hundreds of times the speed of light, you should not be able to see the light from the stars and planets so clearly.
Having travelled at the speed of light many times myself I can say without hesitation that it looks EXACTLY like it does in this computer game.
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares
"As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Yabba Addict
The Lost Minmatar Legion
The Scourge.
97
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Posted - 2014.05.28 07:15:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:RL physics dont apply in EVE.
Not true, this is the best submarine sim out there. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4593
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Posted - 2014.05.28 07:16:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I'm aware this does not answer OP's question completely, but to quote a relevant EVELopedia article:
'So what is the elusive answer to FTL travel? It was found through advanced research in the field of quantum electrodynamics. By creating depleted vacuum, that is, vacuum as found in space but completely stripped of all energy, and then expanding this depleted vacuum to envelop a ship, the ship is capable of moving faster than light. A depleted vacuum bubble is more than frictionless; it is so anti-friction that things (including light) actually move faster in it than they would in complete vacuum.'Edit: Sobaan Tali wrote:Technically, the only thing capsuleers actually see is a computer generated representation of the environment around the ship displayed by a screen a mere several inches from their faces. You are correct on that what capsuleers see is a computer generate image, send to their ship by the Camera drones . You are however incorrect in your assumption that said image is projected on a physical screen in front of your eyes. The visual input is directly fed to the visual cortex, the part of the brain that actually makes you 'see' things. That direct input can be in such a way as that it appears to be shown on a display in front of your eyes, but that is not actually the case.
So... in the Rubicon video...
She wasn't looking at a screen (the light of which was reflected on her face), we were in fact looking at an external simulation of what she thought she saw in her head?
Heavy
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares
"As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1504
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Posted - 2014.05.28 07:29:00 -
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i would like to see one thing in Eve Online which actually makes sense from non-gamer POV 
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4594
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Posted - 2014.05.28 07:33:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:i would like to see one thing in Eve Online which actually makes sense from non-gamer POV
Well as you have one, you can show us what that might look like
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares
"As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
329
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Posted - 2014.05.28 08:36:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:A friend of mine who is a physicist once told me that while travelling FTL you'd see gorgeous naked space fairies.
CCP please fix animation accordingly.
Be careful, you may get lots of big bearded blokes from Brighton...
GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥
- Nicholas Culpeper |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
6490
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Posted - 2014.05.28 09:06:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:i would like to see one thing in Eve Online which actually makes sense from non-gamer POV
well... there is that couch in CQ..
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Nami Kumamato
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2014.05.28 09:12:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:i would like to see one thing in Eve Online which actually makes sense from non-gamer POV
It all actually makes sense, in a way...
Many things in EVE are based on scientific theories.
FTL imagery - actually it would be nothing like that picture as the visual stimuli would change so fast that all that your retina would be able to pick would be a mishmash of COLORS! That Star-Trek zooooom thing is fake as fake can get. Considering that Warp Drives in EVE function on the Alcubierre principle (bending the space-time continuum rather than propelling you at speeds that would liquify your organs, if an image could be generated from outside the Warp bubble it would be exactly as you see in EVE- tho a lil bit faster - as basically it's space around you that moves and not you). (Check out the new trailer for Nolan's Interstellar and you'll get a glimpse of what a warp bubble looks like, or possibly a WH entrance ).
ATM the Alcubierre drive is considered by most scientist to be theoretically achievable, the only thing stopping them is finding a big enough power source that could generate the warp field (the most powerful we got - nuclear - is actually not even remotely close to the power required, anti-matter is proposed but since we can make like a tablespoon per millennium, well you get it...).
Interstellar Communication - in EVE,instant communication between star-systems is done via the so called fluid-router which is nothing more than a collection of quantum entangled particles. Einstein called this "spooky action at a distance" - basically a pair of particles that are quantum entangled will retain their entanglement even after separation (i.e. they will move as if they were one even if separated by vast distances). Simply put, bump upwards particle A in solar system X and the particle B in solar system Y will suffer the effect "in mirror". Simple communication can be achieved via this.
ATM this is also theoretically possible - the only thing we have to figure out is a) how to brake the entanglement b) how to efficiently send the signal (as we are talking quantum here, even the action of viewing the particle may register as a motion on the other particle as viewing simply means spraying it with photons, thus already applying a stimulus to it)
Cloning - achieved.
The only thing which is dodgy in EVE about cloning is the act of conscience transfer - this is something for the more philosophical minds to debate - are you really you or are you just an evolving copy of something that was once you?
"And now my ship is oh so cloaked and fit
It never felt so good, I never felt so hid"
- Ramona McCandless, Untitled |
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