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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:15:00 -
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"LOL keep your knickers on.
Jeez
People are allowed their own oppinions you know
Whining about my oppinion wont change it."
*shrugs* Am sorry you can't tell 'whining' from pointing out you are, imo, wrong. Expressing your opinion may cause others to disagree with you, you know.
"And please try to attack the correct person i havent said anything about how high prices are."
Indeed; you are merely complaining people are exploiting the situation and make others fail agent missions due to lack of money to purchase the necessary goods....
... Sorry, on second thought i guess i really don't get what your point might be. Elaborate, please?.. :s
"Im so tempted to hark on about your selfishness and ignorance but i wont."
Dearie, but you just did; except you have no guts to do it outright, and no leg to stand on considering you're fresh to the agent missions yourself.
... And of course, since i have no part whatsoever in this whole superconductor business, 'tis quite a silly complaint on your part. But that's another story...
Responding to my points is valid and usefull.
You do so with bile and arrogance.
So what
Its not my fault you mix up lots of peoples opinions into one you can understand and apply it to my posts.
Its not my fault you cant make your self understood without all the extra's that impede proper discussion.
Perhaps I should join in.
Nope its beneath me.
You are not listening to what i and others are saying.
Jo
can i acall you Jo..
No. well who gives a ****.
This is an exploit.
the thing at the end of the line on the last sentace is a full stop.
If this was "Real" which it isnt then the stuff you buy at extremly low prices would not stay at extremly low price.
Its because this isnt "real" that it does.
Can you understand that.
Take it one line at a time.
Dont be shy with your incendury response.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:16:00 -
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heh, i bought some when they were still *only* 30k each. Sorta wish I'd bought more now. 
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Thalia
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:29:00 -
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Nasty Llama it goes like this.
Most of people didn't get any memory implants except for few that were selling them in 20-50 mill range then on trade channel.
Reason for that is that superconductor need to be on your region market for agent to give out this mission.
And reality is that superconductors are sold ONLY IN ONE REGION BY DEFAULT.
That is why most of people never got memory implants, as such were available only in one region.
I personaly bought mine SC for 1 mill each and that puts price at 5 mill for memory implant.
It still beats paying 20-50 mill or trading battleship for it.
Now get a grip.
Few people have figured out the system and now are making nice profit.
And as a result of it you have a shoot at memoty implant at 10% of its original cost on trade channel.
The way I see it both parties are making money.
First one for entrepenurial spirit and you in form of huge savings.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 25/09/2003 14:31:58
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I wonder how you would feel if after 90 or so missions you find all that work is wasted.
"All" your work is wasted because it is difficult to get one implant? Please, spare me.
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You hypocrit.
Stop bashing Techell because you and others missed an opportunity with Miner II BPCs!
This situation doesn't even begin to compare. Hundreds of people were doing level 3 agent missions and had the opportunity to take advantage of this situation - and still can if they would use their heads on other methods for acquiring superconductors besides just *****ing until CCP floods the market.
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And how is that, I dont understad how players buying all the stock enables the missions, could you explane
As I have explained in every thread on this subject super conductors MUST be on the market in order for the implant mission to be offered in the first place.
When people first started doing the missions, Superconductors were not on the market in almost ALL major regions - why do you think Memory implants were so rare BEFORE people were aware of this?
Yiin bought the superconductors and DISTRIBUTED them throughout the unviverse - effecitvely "Activating" the mission for hundreds of people. So he wants to make a little money for his efforts? I say more power to him.
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And how long untill all the others go the same way.
Never. The other trade goods are in astounding supplies. You would need to invest hundreds of millions to clear the market of the other commodities and you would never make your money back.
Veruna Caseti
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Maiglin
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:35:00 -
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Exploit or not, i don't think it was ccp meaning to make some guys rich whitout doing noting. let me remind you that the profit you make is 50000%.
So much is not earnd on the miner 2
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 25/09/2003 14:38:54
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Exploit or not, i don't think it was ccp meaning to make some guys rich whitout doing noting. let me remind you that the profit you make is 50000%.
So much is not earnd on the miner 2
What a joke even beginning to compare this to the Miner 2. It will be a frosty day in Hell before anyone can make 1B/week selling implants - it will never happen.
It takes a long time to do missions, and you get maybe 1 implant mission per hour. Even then you have a 1/5 chance of getting a Memory implant.
Let's see do the math on that one and find out how many years I would have to sit here hauling livestock around to make a billion ISK. Hahaha. Hilarious stuff, really.
Veruna Caseti
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:45:00 -
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As i have said before, some level 2 agents Give superconductors out for missions, one of mine gives me 30 for one mission!
Memory implants are supposed to be rare.
On a side note, i have a large stock of super-conductors i could be willing to part with, as well as 4 memory implants ;)
All depends if im offered a good price.
Capitalism is good 
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:46:00 -
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As i have said before, some level 2 agents Give superconductors out for missions, one of mine gives me 30 for one mission!
Memory implants are supposed to be rare.
On a side note, i have a large stock of super-conductors i could be willing to part with, as well as 4 memory implants ;)
All depends if im offered a good price.
Capitalism is good
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:47:00 -
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Exploit or not, i don't think it was ccp meaning to make some guys rich whitout doing noting. let me remind you that the profit you make is 50000%.
So much is not earnd on the miner 2
Get real! Some of us spotted an opportunity before you, we acted on it, and spent the last few days buying superconductors.
Now we sell at inflated prices, when in reality we could just keep them to ourself and sell the memory implants at inflated prices.
You just missed out, deal with it
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:48:00 -
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As i keep saying i dont care that people are getting rich ..
Not arsed.
I care about game mechanics and this = spanner
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:49:00 -
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This situation doesn't even begin to compare. Hundreds of people were doing level 3 agent missions and had the opportunity to take advantage of this situation - and still can if they would use their heads on other methods for acquiring superconductors besides just *****ing until CCP floods the market.
I agree with your point of market forces, if it were not that your actions are making it impossible for new players to carry out agent missions, some new players are doing the agents work to try and get a foot hold in eve, and after a lot of work they will find that with out a grate deal of cash, [a couple of mill is a lot to some, not me btw] thay will have to find other ways of getting the cash before they can continue, I dont think ccp had the idea that the agent missions were only for players who are able to aford it.
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:52:00 -
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NastyLlama simply because it's difficult to do a single mission doesn't halt all Agent mission progress, I'm sorry. There are still plenty of other opportunities offered by Agent missions including 4 other implant types which are worth millions.
Veruna Caseti
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:54:00 -
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As i keep saying i dont care that people are getting rich ..
Not arsed.
I care about game mechanics and this = spanner
Why, i just bought up 89 Superconductors for 75k each
Try looking a bit further afield.
Its good that some things are rare, buying 5 superconductors for 3-5m aint too bad, considering you can sell the implant for 15-25m
Not a bad profit for such a small investment :)
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:56:00 -
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As i keep saying i dont care that people are getting rich ..
Not arsed.
I care about game mechanics and this = spanner
Why, i just bought up 89 Superconductors for 75k each
Try looking a bit further afield.
Its good that some things are rare, buying 5 superconductors for 3-5m aint too bad, considering you can sell the implant for 15-25m
Not a bad profit for such a small investment :)
Well done 
like i said a spanner.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:58:00 -
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This situation doesn't even begin to compare. Hundreds of people were doing level 3 agent missions and had the opportunity to take advantage of this situation - and still can if they would use their heads on other methods for acquiring superconductors besides just *****ing until CCP floods the market.
I agree with your point of market forces, if it were not that your actions are making it impossible for new players to carry out agent missions, some new players are doing the agents work to try and get a foot hold in eve, and after a lot of work they will find that with out a grate deal of cash, [a couple of mill is a lot to some, not me btw] thay will have to find other ways of getting the cash before they can continue, I dont think ccp had the idea that the agent missions were only for players who are able to aford it.
Or they could just decline the mission, or fail it.
We have too many people who have done 200 missions with no failures. Its good that the odd mission might make you rush round like a mad man looking for rare items.
It stops that whole, accept a mission and instantly click the completed button as you already have 10k of the item in your hangar as you have done the mission 10 times before
Mercenary | The Azath |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 15:13:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 15:13:08
/superconductors not being everything/
"And how long untill all the others go the same way."
Considering some of those items are available in hundreds of thousands per region, (and you know what they are, so you can easily buy yourself enough to run hundreds of missions) and one can even be manufactured... i'd say it's very unlikely it will happen to all implant types.
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elementalSEVEN
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Posted - 2003.09.25 15:15:00 -
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Yiin... I was 1 sukkers who brought the mini electronics... 30k 8 of them off u lastnight, gotta say i didnt realy look at the price you were asking befor i brought them, but i just think nice one... you saw a profit in this and used it to your advantage, this is what its all about!!
You defenitly dont deserve any arsy comments!
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Jideo
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Posted - 2003.09.25 15:53:00 -
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I don't see what the problem here is. I was one of those that bought some Superconductors off Yiin at 500k each and in fact, I'm glad he brought these over to the region my agent is in. Frankly I have no intention of going to every single region in Eve to try to find Superconductors. How long would it have taken me to search all the regions? I'd rather use the time to do agent missions and land a few implants. Do the math people, 2.5 million investment for an item worth 15-30 million. I think his price of 500k each is pretty reasonable. Also, the newbs won't be able to do this mission argument is pretty weak in my opinion. If you have a level 3 agent, chances are you have gotten the charisma, willpower, and perception implants multiple times. All of these are still selling at 2.5 million or higher! With one sale, you've just made enough for 5 Superconductors at 500k each. I don't get what the crying is about.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 16:01:06
"If this was "Real" which it isnt then the stuff you buy at extremly low prices would not stay at extremly low price.
Its because this isnt "real" that it does.
Can you understand that.
Take it one line at a time.
Dont be shy with your incendury response.
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OK dearie; you think small steps are the way to go, maybe you are right. So here goes:
player-driven economy.
players, the people participating in this game.
players buy and sell the goods at prices they deem acceptable.
price is shaped by demand. (and supply, but let's keep thing simple)
if the item is in demand, people are willing to pay more to get the item and the price goes up.
if there is not enough people willing to pay the price, the price of the item goes down.
things being "real" or "not real" does not matter as long as the rules of "not real" are based on "real".
hope this helps.
... Oh, and contrary to your belief i do listen to what you're saying. I simply disagree with you because imo your arguments are weak. :s
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gadgets on 25/09/2003 16:13:47
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 16:01:06
"If this was "Real" which it isnt then the stuff you buy at extremly low prices would not stay at extremly low price.
Its because this isnt "real" that it does.
Can you understand that.
Take it one line at a time.
Dont be shy with your incendury response.
"
OK dearie; you think small steps are the way to go, maybe you are right. So here goes:
player-driven economy.
players, the people participating in this game.
players buy and sell the goods at prices they deem acceptable.
price is shaped by demand. (and supply, but let's keep thing simple)
if the item is in demand, people are willing to pay more to get the item and the price goes up.
if there is not enough people willing to pay the price, the price of the item goes down.
things being "real" or "not real" does not matter as long as the rules of "not real" are based on "real".
hope this helps.
... Oh, and contrary to your belief i do listen to what you're saying. I simply disagree with you because imo your arguments are weak. :s
HEHE ok lets totally ignore supply.
So when you say players buy and sell stuff you talkin outa ya ass.
Players buy stuff from the numb NPC guys who dont react to te market increase in prices ..
WHOOOO
Please stop embarising yourself
U dumb ass!!!!!
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:11:00 -
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Bored now..
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 16:21:07
"HEHE ok lets totally ignore supply.
U dumb ass!!!!!"
There's infinite (primary) supply trickling in at steady rate. With everyone having the same chance to acquire goods from it.
Does it change the picture much?..
... btw, i thought you're posing to be one that gets unfairly flamed, but doesn't stoop to the level himself? Hope falling off that high horse didn't hurt... :s
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:17:00 -
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Players buy stuff from the numb NPC guys who dont react to te market increase in prices ..
Well, just like you didn't see this coming and take advantage of it - neither do the NPCs.
Veruna Caseti
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:28:00 -
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"HEHE ok lets totally ignore supply.
U dumb ass!!!!!"
There's infinite supply trickling in at steady rate. With everyone having the same chance to acquire goods from it.
Does it change the picture much?..
... btw, i thought you're posing to be one that gets unfairly flamed, but doesn't stoop to the level himself? Hope falling off that high horse didn't hurt... :s
So sorry
Did you want to keep to intelligent flaming...
Sly remarks.
ok
Like the last post states IM BORED with this
IM not going to get anywhere since all you do is ignore what people are saying.
I dont care that you are making a lot of money.
I dont care that you percieve this as a normal market process.
I dont care that others are finding it hard to get in on the money.
I care that this is something that is happening and shouldn't
Its a flaw in design.
Can you not even accept that.
if you accept that then you have to accept that it is an exploit.
Now likw i said im bored with this its like hitting your head on a particularily thick brick wall
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:33:00 -
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Rubbish, Everyone had an equal chance as these agent missions.
Not our fault ppl didnt want to do agent missions before, not our fault we know where to buy all the required good.
What the hell do you expect? CCP to give everyone the best item of everything and call it balanced?
So far today i have bought over 200 Superconductors, and havent spent more than 2m yet.
either get of your arse and go find where they sell, or quit whining and accept the fact you will have to pay premium prices for the items i spend endless hours running around gather items for.
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:37:00 -
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Bang BAng Boing Bang
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:38:00 -
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Bang BAng Boing Bang
Good idea, that might re-seat the intel implant that has obviously come loose
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:39:00 -
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:41:00 -
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Gadgets has to be the biggest tool I have ever seen on these forums, and by God I've seen a few
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:42:00 -
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Why thanks
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