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Yiin
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Posted - 2003.09.25 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Yiin on 25/09/2003 11:20:33
Well a lot of people have noticed that I have placed a lot of sell orders of Super Conductors around the core regions. Because of this the response I have gotten was from congratulating me to threats I would not like to mention here. Let me tell you how this thing happened.
Like a lot of other people I have been doing missions like a madman to receive implants. I wasnÆt able to get any memory or intel implants and I wanted to find out what the secret is. Then I found this thread and put 1 and 1 together. At that point I had no intention doing this ôscam-exploit-smart businessö call it what you feel fits best.
I went ahead and got me some Miniature electronics and put them up in the region my mission guy is for 30k each and went back doing missions. After about 15 min somebody actually bought these and I was rather amazed (4 jumps and he could have bought them a lot cheaper).
At this point the mentioned thread had a confirmation that this is the way that implant missions work û the commodity has to be on the market! On my trip finding Miniature electronics I found a sell order for huge cash (100M or so) for some super conductors. So again I put 1-1 together.
While waiting for my agent to give me another mission I had the idea of swamping the inner core regions with super conductors. So I thought why waste time waiting on my agent just log on your alt and find them ôsomewhereö. I did find a large amount and let missions be missions. About the time I was buying a large quantity of super conductors Enderweeks confirmed that these are really the commodities needed.
ôGoodö I thought I didnÆt waste my time and started placing all these sell orders in the core at a crazy price yes, but at a price I would have bought them for myself to finally get a memory implant.
Why the people that have known what the commodity is havenÆt done this themselves days ago is beyond me. I did. I am sure people will come around soon and undercut my prices. What I essentially did is enable about 13 regions (or so) to even GET implant missions. It is then up to the person to buy the required super conductors, or not. If they wouldnÆt have been there in the first place nobody but a selected few would have gotten memory implant missions. That this was a stupid choice on CCPs side is a whole different discussion.
And to make one thing absolutely clear, super conductors are rare and I was lucky to find a large enough stack to do this. It was not just buy them all up and resell them type of thing.
This post got a little longer then intended but now I can just point people to this post if they want an explanation.
Yiin (and not VIIN)
This is the thread i mentioned:
Memory Impant Rarity
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Astrid Tron
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Posted - 2003.09.25 11:14:00 -
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Keep on trucking, Yiin. I dont see a problem - this is a game of war and economics, not a giftshop. I have huge problems getting a Memory Implant mission from my agents, but that is part of the fun - struggle. When I work out how to get it done (ie find some SC's and place 100m sellorder so that i get the mission and can by the SC's from myself), it will be so much more rewarding than just doing another 'spacelane bonanza' mission.
Play the game, people, or not.
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Krashtest
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Posted - 2003.09.25 11:29:00 -
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I just got my first memory implant mission, only to see the supply of superconductors set at 1,000,000 per unit with 5 needed to complete the mission. The normal supply price is around 1000 or so (at least the npc demand is).
There is a big difference between smart business and highway robbery.
P.S. I had the superconductors in another station which i had not yet cleaned out so i did not get robbed, but many others will not have that option.
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2003.09.25 11:31:00 -
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Yiin, very grateful for your "reasonable" prices compared to some. 'Thanks for the memory' (who sang that, was it Ronald Reagan?).
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 11:34:00 -
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Yiin I did the same thing, just not in a core region. Anyone calling this an exploit is simply angry that they once again missed an opportunity.
Anyone doing agent missions had a fair opportunity to use their heads and work out what triggered the implant missions and what items were required to finish them. So a few people realized one of the missions was scarce because it relied on a scarce commodity.
Well guess what happens to an item that costs you 600 isk and can be used to win an implant worth 30M or more? Here's a hint: the price doesn't come down.
I had to travel almost 60 jumps and spent hours to find a personal stockpile of superconductors - anyone could have done the same with a little forethought and committment to the job.
Veruna Caseti
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Col Maxxe
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Posted - 2003.09.25 11:46:00 -
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I agree, supply and demand works every time, althou I also have to agree that the availability/seeding is a tad unfair but that will hopefully improve with the announced dynamic market-thingy.
Anyways, I jacked a convoy with 169 superconductors a few months ago which was impossible to sell, and now I'm stinkin' rich, yay!!
Ps. imo its friggin' great that tradecommoditys are coming to an use other than hauling across the universe, and I'd love to see more such ingredients in manufacturing
/Peace & out 
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:03:00 -
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Congradulations on spotting an oppertunity and taking it. Those who threatened you are pathetic for thinking you shouldnt have gone for it.
You thought about it and took a chance. It worked so congrats to you.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:08:00 -
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Yup well done on spotting this lucrative exploit.
That is indeed what it is.
I dont hold any malice toward you well done.
Its just another example of someone not thinking in the offices of OCP.
It would have been oh so simple to make this required item part of the random mission generation.
So a random item was picked..
Ho hum there u go..
I guess i better start looking more closley to see if i can spot any exploits..
If you cant fight em join em thats what i say ..
Im putting in an application to Tech as soon as i log bakc on
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 12:14:45
"Yup well done on spotting this lucrative exploit.
That is indeed what it is."
... "Exploit" implies unfair use of something for one's own advantage; given this particular practice is open to all, what's "unfair" about it?
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:21:00 -
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Oh available to all...
No its been cornered..
Now people know whats going on they will undercut each other.
Smashin.
Still an exploit..
An exploit as i see it is something that is in the game helps players and was unintended.
So unless this was intended its an exploit.
Full marks to the guy who posted the FIRST post saying YIIN was exploiting
Cos he was 
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Enderweeks
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:30:00 -
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It is not an exploit it is a use of a free market.
I was the person/one of many who put the super conductors on sale for a high price in one region because I get the memory implant missions. I use the sc to get memory implants so it makes sense for me to protect my supply by buying as many as I can.
I don't know Yiin or whether he has access to the missions but if he doesn't then kudos to him for spotting the market and putting the sc for sale in other regions - this means that a lot more people now get the mission for which they have to buy a commodity at inflated prices but still get a valuable reward in return.
Is it fair? - pass
Is it part of the game? - definately
This is a golden moment for some people and hopefully there will be many more along the way that if you play the game you might be involved in.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:37:00 -
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Still an exploit..
An exploit as i see it is something that is in the game helps players and was unintended.
So unless this was intended its an exploit.
Anything that wasn't intended is an exploit? I hate to resort to flaming so early in the morning but you are a fool.
Unintended side effects, player innovations, clever tactics and new strategies for gaining an advantage are the things that make online gaming interesting and fun.
If you want a game whose only features are set out in the manual that comes with it, may I suggest 'Chutes and Ladders'?
An 'exploit' is something which takes advantage of a bug in the code or a loophole in the rules to gain an unfair advantage over other players. This is not a bug, it's not a loophole - and considering EVERYONE had a fair chance to figure this out and take the time to find what SCs were on the market, it's definitely not unfair.
Veruna Caseti
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 12:45:45
"Oh available to all...
No its been cornered.."
... It was available to everyone with a working brain; for that matter, still is.
Am sorry if this is a requirement some find too difficult to pass.
"Now people know whats going on they will undercut each other."
Yes; the price of superconductors will go down, just like the prices of implants themselves. Given you're crying the prices of superconductors are at the moment too high and 'exploitive', how's them going down a bad thing, again?
"Still an exploit.."
No, pure and simple. Being able to spot business opportunity and taking advantage of it before others do is good market sense and nothing more.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:51:00 -
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Yup .. Untill the next big "free market" Exploit
I look at it this way .. Im on lvl 1 Agents.
All you wonderfull guys have just been playing longer.
When i get to the position you gus have passed it will cost me dear.
I do not think this was intended as part of the agent missions system.
Ok its been modified by players.
Was it supposed to be is my point.
I think not.
Exploits/money bugs like this should be squashed as they arise.
After all your not being asked to make the implants.. Just do a job.
People work hard to follow the agents missions now they will have to find extra money.
What if they dont have enough money at the time to buy the things ..
Too bad huh..
No i can see your point and dont disagree with players taking advantage of this BUT it must be seen as an exploit by DEVS and fixed.
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Col Maxxe
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Posted - 2003.09.25 12:58:00 -
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oh well, prices are about to drop as there will be thousands of new superconductors with every restart, give it a few days and prices should be back to more normal rates.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 12:45:45
"Oh available to all...
No its been cornered.."
... It was available to everyone with a working brain; for that matter, still is.
Am sorry if this is a requirement some find too difficult to pass.
"Now people know whats going on they will undercut each other."
Yes; the price of superconductors will go down, just like the prices of implants themselves. Given you're crying the prices of superconductors are at the moment too high and 'exploitive', how's them going down a bad thing, again?
"Still an exploit.."
No, pure and simple. Being able to spot business opportunity and taking advantage of it before others do is good market sense and nothing more.
LOL keep your knickers on.
Jeez
People are allowed their own oppinions you know
Whining about my oppinion wont change it.
And please try to attack the correct person i havent said anything about how high prices are.
Agent missions should not rely on market forces.
Its inconcievable that an agent mission should fail because a player cannot get something because of pc interference.(ie he does not have the money)
Im so tempted to hark on about your selfishness and ignorance but i wont.
That would just inflame you new hights of Flamery.
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:10:00 -
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Still an exploit..
An exploit as i see it is something that is in the game helps players and was unintended.
So unless this was intended its an exploit.
Anything that wasn't intended is an exploit? I hate to resort to flaming so early in the morning but you are a fool.
Unintended side effects, player innovations, clever tactics and new strategies for gaining an advantage are the things that make online gaming interesting and fun.
If you want a game whose only features are set out in the manual that comes with it, may I suggest 'Chutes and Ladders'?
An 'exploit' is something which takes advantage of a bug in the code or a loophole in the rules to gain an unfair advantage over other players. This is not a bug, it's not a loophole - and considering EVERYONE had a fair chance to figure this out and take the time to find what SCs were on the market, it's definitely not unfair.
That time of the month?
Im sure you feel Flaming is an elogant pastime.
I dont.
Do you really believe that this is a loophole.
The Agent missions are part of the games main mechanics. Doing this can affect a players ability to complete the mission.
Can you not see that that is unacceptable?
People work HARD to get to the point where an agent is offering something of value and because of an error Pc can screw it up for them?
Nahh it sucks Get a grip use you head.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:21:00 -
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Do you really believe that this is a loophole.
No, it's not a loophole. That's exactly my point. It's a perfectly valid, legal and straightforward method for using a player-based economy driven by supply and demand.
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The Agent missions are part of the games main mechanics.
Yah? Well so is the Market; players have recognized an opportunity to combine a demand created by Agent missions with a supply provided by the Market - and turn the situation to their advantage.
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Doing this can affect a players ability to complete the mission.
Can you not see that that is unacceptable?
No, not at all. I expect to have my ability to do things affected by other players - that's why I play online games.
I could hunt you down and blow your ship up - that would "affect your ability to complete missions." Does that make it an exploit? No, it is part of the game as well.
Veruna Caseti
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:23:00 -
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It clearly is a loophole - read the CSM if you don't think it is for the Dev's idea on what should affect mission success, and it's entirely possible that if things are left like they are people *will* buy every single last superconductor available. It is this which makes it *slightly* exploity - if someone is doing agent missions gets a memory mission they HAVE to buy your goods or fail the mission. If there are no superconductors on the market then they are completely cut out of these missions and apart from hanging around at downtime to grab a supply there's *nothing* they can do about it.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:28:00 -
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there's *nothing* they can do about it.
Yes there is - purchase the superconductors at the inflated price. Even at 500k per unit you are still looking at 2.5M invested to receive an item worth over 15M and often upwards of 20M.
Veruna Caseti
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:32:00 -
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Do you really believe that this is a loophole.
No, it's not a loophole. That's exactly my point. It's a perfectly valid, legal and straightforward method for using a player-based economy driven by supply and demand.
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The Agent missions are part of the games main mechanics.
Yah? Well so is the Market; players have recognized an opportunity to combine a demand created by Agent missions with a supply provided by the Market - and turn the situation to their advantage.
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Doing this can affect a players ability to complete the mission.
Can you not see that that is unacceptable?
No, not at all. I expect to have my ability to do things affected by other players - that's why I play online games.
I could hunt you down and blow your ship up - that would "affect your ability to complete missions." Does that make it an exploit? No, it is part of the game as well.
I can see that you are no open to others views.
This is not a "true market" so dont talk about it as such.
It is TOTALLY controlled by the game mechanics.
Trade items were designed to be moved from point a to point b to make a profit.
This isnt what is happening..
If what you are doing was correct the the sale prices for these items would be in line withe the values u resell them at.
FFS get a grip ..
This is a game and can is controlled when people see things that are so stupid it isnt real they post these comments in the hopes that a DEV will correct the problem.
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: NastyLlama on 25/09/2003 13:55:54
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Why the people that have known what the commodity is havenÆt done this themselves days ago is beyond me. I did.
Well I see your point, but for the poor noobs you just killed a good way to get ahead in eve.
It should not be alowed that a few players can kill off an agent mission, the agents are there to give all players, rich or poor, some content and player fun.
I for 1 will not be paying your prices, and I hope ccp will seed the market to a point that makes it impossible to strip the hole eve universe of agent missions.
Have you ever thought that this has been known about but players did not want to kill off the agents.
With so many new players already feeling fed up trying to get ahead it will make the new player fed up quite quickly if all avenues are cornered by the few.
I do understand your opinion and you are correct in what your saying about the economics of eve.
Just a shame for the new players, that just a few peeps can kill agents dead
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 13:55:00 -
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Well I see your point, but for the poor noobs you just killed a good way to get ahead in eve.
Well, I am a new player and that's exactly what I'm using this situation to do.
Veruna Caseti
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:00:00 -
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Well, I am a new player and that's exactly what I'm using this situation to do.
And what is that to do with it, the ones who have worked hard to get a lvl 3 agent who dont have the cash or ability are now stuffed up the creek with no paddle
I wonder how you would feel if after 90 or so missions you find all that work is wasted.
I bet you would not be very happy
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I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Yiin
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:02:00 -
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The major thing is this didnÆt kill the agent missions. It enabeled them for memory implants. Its not that I bought up all SC in those regions and then resold them at big profit. I actually went and brought them from 1 region and then dispersed them to all those regions where they werenÆt available in the first place. And the way these missions work is you DONÆT get the mission if the commodity is NOT on the market. These things are rare. It doesnÆt matter now anyways as people are already starting to sell for less.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:03:00 -
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"LOL keep your knickers on.
Jeez
People are allowed their own oppinions you know
Whining about my oppinion wont change it."
*shrugs* Am sorry you can't tell 'whining' from pointing out you are, imo, wrong. Expressing your opinion may cause others to disagree with you, you know.
"And please try to attack the correct person i havent said anything about how high prices are."
Indeed; you are merely complaining people are exploiting the situation and make others fail agent missions due to lack of money to purchase the necessary goods....
... Sorry, on second thought i guess i really don't get what your point might be. Elaborate, please?.. :s
"Im so tempted to hark on about your selfishness and ignorance but i wont."
Dearie, but you just did; except you have no guts to do it outright, and no leg to stand on considering you're fresh to the agent missions yourself.
... And of course, since i have no part whatsoever in this whole superconductor business, 'tis quite a silly complaint on your part. But that's another story...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 14:10:31
"I for 1 will not be paying your prices, and I hope ccp will seed the market to a point that makes it impossible to strip the hole eve universe of agent missions."
... Why don't you check how many of those needed goods are actually generated every day on the market, before you complain and demand CCP to 'fix things'?
Those bloody super conductors people are crying about now are used for one implant type out of five.
You can easily get other implant types for which the goods are generated in abundance, sell them for millions and use this money to get the parts for the memory implant, if you so desire. Or put up buy orders and get the super conductors at NPC prices. Or wait until the PC super conductor prices fall down due to people undercutting one another. Or think of yet another solution that didn't occur to me at the moment, there's plenty of them....
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:11:00 -
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The major thing is this didnÆt kill the agent missions. It enabeled them for memory implants
And how is that, I dont understad how players buying all the stock enables the missions, could you explane
So you only bought them from 1 region, but I looked and cant find any
The prices are droping, where and to what level is the drop
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:11:00 -
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Yiin I did the same thing, just not in a core region. Anyone calling this an exploit is simply angry that they once again missed an opportunity.
You hypocrit.
Stop bashing Techell because you and others missed an opportunity with Miner II BPCs!
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: NastyLlama on 25/09/2003 14:19:12
Edited by: NastyLlama on 25/09/2003 14:17:10
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Those bloody super conductors people are crying about now are used for one implant type out of five
And how long untill all the others go the same way.
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... Why don't you check how many of those needed goods are actually generated every day on the market, before you complain and demand CCP to 'fix things'?
You should know that the genarated quantity are not above being sold out in the first 10 min's after down time, like so many other goods on the market.
This is again another problem with how the market is seeded after down time
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:15:00 -
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"LOL keep your knickers on.
Jeez
People are allowed their own oppinions you know
Whining about my oppinion wont change it."
*shrugs* Am sorry you can't tell 'whining' from pointing out you are, imo, wrong. Expressing your opinion may cause others to disagree with you, you know.
"And please try to attack the correct person i havent said anything about how high prices are."
Indeed; you are merely complaining people are exploiting the situation and make others fail agent missions due to lack of money to purchase the necessary goods....
... Sorry, on second thought i guess i really don't get what your point might be. Elaborate, please?.. :s
"Im so tempted to hark on about your selfishness and ignorance but i wont."
Dearie, but you just did; except you have no guts to do it outright, and no leg to stand on considering you're fresh to the agent missions yourself.
... And of course, since i have no part whatsoever in this whole superconductor business, 'tis quite a silly complaint on your part. But that's another story...
Responding to my points is valid and usefull.
You do so with bile and arrogance.
So what
Its not my fault you mix up lots of peoples opinions into one you can understand and apply it to my posts.
Its not my fault you cant make your self understood without all the extra's that impede proper discussion.
Perhaps I should join in.
Nope its beneath me.
You are not listening to what i and others are saying.
Jo
can i acall you Jo..
No. well who gives a ****.
This is an exploit.
the thing at the end of the line on the last sentace is a full stop.
If this was "Real" which it isnt then the stuff you buy at extremly low prices would not stay at extremly low price.
Its because this isnt "real" that it does.
Can you understand that.
Take it one line at a time.
Dont be shy with your incendury response.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:16:00 -
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heh, i bought some when they were still *only* 30k each. Sorta wish I'd bought more now. 
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Thalia
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:29:00 -
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Nasty Llama it goes like this.
Most of people didn't get any memory implants except for few that were selling them in 20-50 mill range then on trade channel.
Reason for that is that superconductor need to be on your region market for agent to give out this mission.
And reality is that superconductors are sold ONLY IN ONE REGION BY DEFAULT.
That is why most of people never got memory implants, as such were available only in one region.
I personaly bought mine SC for 1 mill each and that puts price at 5 mill for memory implant.
It still beats paying 20-50 mill or trading battleship for it.
Now get a grip.
Few people have figured out the system and now are making nice profit.
And as a result of it you have a shoot at memoty implant at 10% of its original cost on trade channel.
The way I see it both parties are making money.
First one for entrepenurial spirit and you in form of huge savings.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 25/09/2003 14:31:58
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I wonder how you would feel if after 90 or so missions you find all that work is wasted.
"All" your work is wasted because it is difficult to get one implant? Please, spare me.
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You hypocrit.
Stop bashing Techell because you and others missed an opportunity with Miner II BPCs!
This situation doesn't even begin to compare. Hundreds of people were doing level 3 agent missions and had the opportunity to take advantage of this situation - and still can if they would use their heads on other methods for acquiring superconductors besides just *****ing until CCP floods the market.
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And how is that, I dont understad how players buying all the stock enables the missions, could you explane
As I have explained in every thread on this subject super conductors MUST be on the market in order for the implant mission to be offered in the first place.
When people first started doing the missions, Superconductors were not on the market in almost ALL major regions - why do you think Memory implants were so rare BEFORE people were aware of this?
Yiin bought the superconductors and DISTRIBUTED them throughout the unviverse - effecitvely "Activating" the mission for hundreds of people. So he wants to make a little money for his efforts? I say more power to him.
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And how long untill all the others go the same way.
Never. The other trade goods are in astounding supplies. You would need to invest hundreds of millions to clear the market of the other commodities and you would never make your money back.
Veruna Caseti
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Maiglin
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:35:00 -
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Exploit or not, i don't think it was ccp meaning to make some guys rich whitout doing noting. let me remind you that the profit you make is 50000%.
So much is not earnd on the miner 2
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 25/09/2003 14:38:54
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Exploit or not, i don't think it was ccp meaning to make some guys rich whitout doing noting. let me remind you that the profit you make is 50000%.
So much is not earnd on the miner 2
What a joke even beginning to compare this to the Miner 2. It will be a frosty day in Hell before anyone can make 1B/week selling implants - it will never happen.
It takes a long time to do missions, and you get maybe 1 implant mission per hour. Even then you have a 1/5 chance of getting a Memory implant.
Let's see do the math on that one and find out how many years I would have to sit here hauling livestock around to make a billion ISK. Hahaha. Hilarious stuff, really.
Veruna Caseti
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:45:00 -
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As i have said before, some level 2 agents Give superconductors out for missions, one of mine gives me 30 for one mission!
Memory implants are supposed to be rare.
On a side note, i have a large stock of super-conductors i could be willing to part with, as well as 4 memory implants ;)
All depends if im offered a good price.
Capitalism is good
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:46:00 -
[38]
Quote:
As i have said before, some level 2 agents Give superconductors out for missions, one of mine gives me 30 for one mission!
Memory implants are supposed to be rare.
On a side note, i have a large stock of super-conductors i could be willing to part with, as well as 4 memory implants ;)
All depends if im offered a good price.
Capitalism is good
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:47:00 -
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Exploit or not, i don't think it was ccp meaning to make some guys rich whitout doing noting. let me remind you that the profit you make is 50000%.
So much is not earnd on the miner 2
Get real! Some of us spotted an opportunity before you, we acted on it, and spent the last few days buying superconductors.
Now we sell at inflated prices, when in reality we could just keep them to ourself and sell the memory implants at inflated prices.
You just missed out, deal with it
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:48:00 -
[40]
As i keep saying i dont care that people are getting rich ..
Not arsed.
I care about game mechanics and this = spanner
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:49:00 -
[41]
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This situation doesn't even begin to compare. Hundreds of people were doing level 3 agent missions and had the opportunity to take advantage of this situation - and still can if they would use their heads on other methods for acquiring superconductors besides just *****ing until CCP floods the market.
I agree with your point of market forces, if it were not that your actions are making it impossible for new players to carry out agent missions, some new players are doing the agents work to try and get a foot hold in eve, and after a lot of work they will find that with out a grate deal of cash, [a couple of mill is a lot to some, not me btw] thay will have to find other ways of getting the cash before they can continue, I dont think ccp had the idea that the agent missions were only for players who are able to aford it.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:52:00 -
[42]
NastyLlama simply because it's difficult to do a single mission doesn't halt all Agent mission progress, I'm sorry. There are still plenty of other opportunities offered by Agent missions including 4 other implant types which are worth millions.
Veruna Caseti
Ishukone |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:54:00 -
[43]
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As i keep saying i dont care that people are getting rich ..
Not arsed.
I care about game mechanics and this = spanner
Why, i just bought up 89 Superconductors for 75k each
Try looking a bit further afield.
Its good that some things are rare, buying 5 superconductors for 3-5m aint too bad, considering you can sell the implant for 15-25m
Not a bad profit for such a small investment :)
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:56:00 -
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Quote:
Quote:
As i keep saying i dont care that people are getting rich ..
Not arsed.
I care about game mechanics and this = spanner
Why, i just bought up 89 Superconductors for 75k each
Try looking a bit further afield.
Its good that some things are rare, buying 5 superconductors for 3-5m aint too bad, considering you can sell the implant for 15-25m
Not a bad profit for such a small investment :)
Well done 
like i said a spanner.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 14:58:00 -
[45]
Quote:
Quote:
This situation doesn't even begin to compare. Hundreds of people were doing level 3 agent missions and had the opportunity to take advantage of this situation - and still can if they would use their heads on other methods for acquiring superconductors besides just *****ing until CCP floods the market.
I agree with your point of market forces, if it were not that your actions are making it impossible for new players to carry out agent missions, some new players are doing the agents work to try and get a foot hold in eve, and after a lot of work they will find that with out a grate deal of cash, [a couple of mill is a lot to some, not me btw] thay will have to find other ways of getting the cash before they can continue, I dont think ccp had the idea that the agent missions were only for players who are able to aford it.
Or they could just decline the mission, or fail it.
We have too many people who have done 200 missions with no failures. Its good that the odd mission might make you rush round like a mad man looking for rare items.
It stops that whole, accept a mission and instantly click the completed button as you already have 10k of the item in your hangar as you have done the mission 10 times before
Mercenary | The Azath |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 15:13:00 -
[46]
Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 15:13:08
/superconductors not being everything/
"And how long untill all the others go the same way."
Considering some of those items are available in hundreds of thousands per region, (and you know what they are, so you can easily buy yourself enough to run hundreds of missions) and one can even be manufactured... i'd say it's very unlikely it will happen to all implant types.
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elementalSEVEN
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Posted - 2003.09.25 15:15:00 -
[47]
Yiin... I was 1 sukkers who brought the mini electronics... 30k 8 of them off u lastnight, gotta say i didnt realy look at the price you were asking befor i brought them, but i just think nice one... you saw a profit in this and used it to your advantage, this is what its all about!!
You defenitly dont deserve any arsy comments!
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Jideo
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Posted - 2003.09.25 15:53:00 -
[48]
I don't see what the problem here is. I was one of those that bought some Superconductors off Yiin at 500k each and in fact, I'm glad he brought these over to the region my agent is in. Frankly I have no intention of going to every single region in Eve to try to find Superconductors. How long would it have taken me to search all the regions? I'd rather use the time to do agent missions and land a few implants. Do the math people, 2.5 million investment for an item worth 15-30 million. I think his price of 500k each is pretty reasonable. Also, the newbs won't be able to do this mission argument is pretty weak in my opinion. If you have a level 3 agent, chances are you have gotten the charisma, willpower, and perception implants multiple times. All of these are still selling at 2.5 million or higher! With one sale, you've just made enough for 5 Superconductors at 500k each. I don't get what the crying is about.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 15:59:00 -
[49]
Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 16:01:06
"If this was "Real" which it isnt then the stuff you buy at extremly low prices would not stay at extremly low price.
Its because this isnt "real" that it does.
Can you understand that.
Take it one line at a time.
Dont be shy with your incendury response.
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OK dearie; you think small steps are the way to go, maybe you are right. So here goes:
player-driven economy.
players, the people participating in this game.
players buy and sell the goods at prices they deem acceptable.
price is shaped by demand. (and supply, but let's keep thing simple)
if the item is in demand, people are willing to pay more to get the item and the price goes up.
if there is not enough people willing to pay the price, the price of the item goes down.
things being "real" or "not real" does not matter as long as the rules of "not real" are based on "real".
hope this helps.
... Oh, and contrary to your belief i do listen to what you're saying. I simply disagree with you because imo your arguments are weak. :s
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gadgets on 25/09/2003 16:13:47
Quote:
Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 16:01:06
"If this was "Real" which it isnt then the stuff you buy at extremly low prices would not stay at extremly low price.
Its because this isnt "real" that it does.
Can you understand that.
Take it one line at a time.
Dont be shy with your incendury response.
"
OK dearie; you think small steps are the way to go, maybe you are right. So here goes:
player-driven economy.
players, the people participating in this game.
players buy and sell the goods at prices they deem acceptable.
price is shaped by demand. (and supply, but let's keep thing simple)
if the item is in demand, people are willing to pay more to get the item and the price goes up.
if there is not enough people willing to pay the price, the price of the item goes down.
things being "real" or "not real" does not matter as long as the rules of "not real" are based on "real".
hope this helps.
... Oh, and contrary to your belief i do listen to what you're saying. I simply disagree with you because imo your arguments are weak. :s
HEHE ok lets totally ignore supply.
So when you say players buy and sell stuff you talkin outa ya ass.
Players buy stuff from the numb NPC guys who dont react to te market increase in prices ..
WHOOOO
Please stop embarising yourself
U dumb ass!!!!!
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:11:00 -
[51]
Bored now..
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:17:00 -
[52]
Edited by: j0sephine on 25/09/2003 16:21:07
"HEHE ok lets totally ignore supply.
U dumb ass!!!!!"
There's infinite (primary) supply trickling in at steady rate. With everyone having the same chance to acquire goods from it.
Does it change the picture much?..
... btw, i thought you're posing to be one that gets unfairly flamed, but doesn't stoop to the level himself? Hope falling off that high horse didn't hurt... :s
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:17:00 -
[53]
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Players buy stuff from the numb NPC guys who dont react to te market increase in prices ..
Well, just like you didn't see this coming and take advantage of it - neither do the NPCs.
Veruna Caseti
Ishukone |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:28:00 -
[54]
Quote:
"HEHE ok lets totally ignore supply.
U dumb ass!!!!!"
There's infinite supply trickling in at steady rate. With everyone having the same chance to acquire goods from it.
Does it change the picture much?..
... btw, i thought you're posing to be one that gets unfairly flamed, but doesn't stoop to the level himself? Hope falling off that high horse didn't hurt... :s
So sorry
Did you want to keep to intelligent flaming...
Sly remarks.
ok
Like the last post states IM BORED with this
IM not going to get anywhere since all you do is ignore what people are saying.
I dont care that you are making a lot of money.
I dont care that you percieve this as a normal market process.
I dont care that others are finding it hard to get in on the money.
I care that this is something that is happening and shouldn't
Its a flaw in design.
Can you not even accept that.
if you accept that then you have to accept that it is an exploit.
Now likw i said im bored with this its like hitting your head on a particularily thick brick wall
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:33:00 -
[55]
Rubbish, Everyone had an equal chance as these agent missions.
Not our fault ppl didnt want to do agent missions before, not our fault we know where to buy all the required good.
What the hell do you expect? CCP to give everyone the best item of everything and call it balanced?
So far today i have bought over 200 Superconductors, and havent spent more than 2m yet.
either get of your arse and go find where they sell, or quit whining and accept the fact you will have to pay premium prices for the items i spend endless hours running around gather items for.
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:37:00 -
[56]
Bang BAng Boing Bang
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:38:00 -
[57]
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Bang BAng Boing Bang
Good idea, that might re-seat the intel implant that has obviously come loose
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:39:00 -
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agrizla
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:41:00 -
[59]
Gadgets has to be the biggest tool I have ever seen on these forums, and by God I've seen a few
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:42:00 -
[60]
Why thanks
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.09.25 16:43:00 -
[61]
It isn't an exploit.
However it will be nice when CCP finally sort the market seeding code out so that it trickles 24/7 rather than just after DT.
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Comsic Goat
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Posted - 2003.09.25 17:54:00 -
[62]
Yiin -
You aint gotten my supply of dem thingies. Thx for killen my competors.
Yous have made lot of enemies also. Best of lucks.
The Great Comsic Goat
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Yiin
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Posted - 2003.09.25 20:13:00 -
[63]
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Yous have made lot of enemies also. Best of lucks.
And thats what im not understanding. Who did i hurt in any way doing this?
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.09.25 20:17:00 -
[64]
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Now likw i said im bored with this its like hitting your head on a particularily thick brick wall
I'm guessing a common occurance for this guy judging by his posts.
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.09.25 20:33:00 -
[65]
I think it is great the way people have used a little tactics to make a profit.
I think it sucks the way it can prohibit one from maintaining a perfect Agent mission record. I like doing the missions just to have lots of high agents and to be able to see perfect records (yeah, I know cheap thrill). It bothers when I hit a mission and come to find out I am going to fail it because I cannot come up with the requirements due to the actions of other players.
I know there has been justification of the price due to the reward of a memory implant. When you don't have the money to finish the mission in adequate time, you fail the mission. I could really care less about the implant, but I want to be able to finish the mission.
So while the ability to make a profit should exist, there should also be the option to complete the mission perhaps without the reward. For example, station X needs superconductors (rare and player controlled) or silicate glass (common). If you get them superconductors you get an implant or if you get them silicate glass you get X ISK.
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Netrunner
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Posted - 2003.09.26 03:32:00 -
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Thats the way the market works, supply and demand - I just blew 8 mil buying 10 superconductors.... but considering it gave me the ability to make 60 mil a few hours later I won't complain much 
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PERCYDAMAN
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Posted - 2003.09.26 04:02:00 -
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ill tell ya what...i wrote down a long time ago a location that drops super conductors while doing research for convoy hunting...ill check it out and double check...if its still dropping ill give the location away for free
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Golgrath
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Posted - 2003.09.26 04:25:00 -
[68]
You people havent considered it the other way around. If i dont have the money or will to buy the super conductors i have to wait until the mission expires. This slows down getting other implants.
Just noticed that this thing is happening with other goods too. Someone had placed Slaves to my region for ridicilous price. And guess what? My mission was to get the agent 20 Slaves (btw minmatar agent). I am now going to get the rarest trade good from 80 jumps away and seed it to all regions. Would you like it?
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.09.26 08:08:00 -
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Now likw i said im bored with this its like hitting your head on a particularily thick brick wall
I'm guessing a common occurance for this guy judging by his posts.
Yes it is i get bored with selfish people real fast.
Unfortunatly forums are stuffed full of that sort of person.
Looking for exploits and easy ways to screw the other guy.
Reading the forums you can see "sets" of people from thier responses and threads.
The number of people who actually read and digest the information is quite small.
Its as if the skip parts of the information just looking for argument.
Or picking on one point which is realy irrelivent to the discussion.
If you read my posts you will have noticed that there are only a few mostly relating to the m2 joke.
I see this thing here as a similar problem.
Agent missons are here for solo players to progress. They are now being systematically nurfed.
How people can say thats ok i dont know ..
Unless of course they have absolutlty no interest in the agent missions other than making themselves a quik buck.
It gaulls me that the mechanics of the game can be twisted by greedy players and more importantly the situation is not being fixed
If this is how the eve universe will continue i will have to become like the people i dislike in order to progress.
A pirate perhaps.
This is why i am bored.
And yes it is like banging your head on a brick wall.
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Jenn
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Posted - 2003.09.26 08:15:00 -
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And thats what im not understanding. Who did i hurt in any way doing this?
What you don't seem to realize is that you're hurting lots of people doing missions.
Superconductors are needed for lvl-1 missions
too.
New players simply can't afford millions of isks
to sucessfully complete such often reoccuring missions (we all know lvl-1 agents are rather repatative ;) )...
It's not an exploit, with that I agree.
I congratulate you on your smart move,
BUT these prices are a bit over the top
don't you agree ?
Why not sell at a reasonable price (say 10k
instead of 500...) that way you'll get rich too
(just takes a bit longer) AND allow others to
play the game too...
I'm happy I bought a stash of the stuff two
weeks ago when I was doing those lvl-1 missions.
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Yiin
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Posted - 2003.09.26 10:25:00 -
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I haven taken all of my sell orders from the market
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