What? Loads of people run exactly that in low sec.. And sure you could get gate camped.. But how often does that happen? I've died to gatecamps maybe five or six times total..

As for people saying those stats aren't real, they are but they are with heat.

The thing you have to take into consideration is how insanely stuff like point range and speed synergizes with lml's.. Thats the biggest problem here, if the garmur had guns you wouldn't be able to do any of that **** because orbiting at 8km would mean you hit ****.

Bring lml's down to the level of small rails and beams when it comes to damage projection at range and the garmur will be a much more reasonable ship. The Garmur and Orthus just show really really well how stupid links and lml's are atm.

Frig.....

8.3km/sec before overheating cap stable.... yes with booster alt.
150 dps at 70km.
59 km disruptor before overheating to 70km.


Seriously I speed tank light missiles... this ship is faster than light missiles as it orbits other frigs that cant even lock it while still pointing. I understand the idea behind this ship, however CCP.... its nerf bat time.



Before you say oooo you got owned you mad.........

Since release I've gotten 30+ kills with this garmur. I write this post because this ship is truely op.... needs balancing.

It's over 200m. That's really all you need to know to understand why it's not op.

Linked, Snaked, faction fit frigates aren't pheasible outside of RVB 1v1's and Hi-Sec wars. Jump that into a gate camp and see how effective it is.

I remember Crow's moving at 18km/s without links. That was OP.

I'm not able to pick out how the garmur is OP. All these people waffling on about the missiles applying perfect damage I ask to you *how*? Do you know how missiles work at all? Even rockets can be speed tanked.

It's over 200m. That's really all you need to know to understand why it's not op.

Your narrow mindedness is hilarious. Classic, can't think five minutes ahead mentality. The Garmur will stabilize around 60 to 70m. It will still be over powered then. Derp goes the tard.

I'm not able to pick out how the garmur is OP. All these people waffling on about the missiles applying perfect damage I ask to you *how*? Do you know how missiles work at all? Even rockets can be speed tanked.

cant get near your stats except point range) even with hg snakes & maxed loki links. That must be some fit you got there.....

Maybe nerf booster alts? I'm sure the tank on it is paper thin and Interceptors/Fast T1/Faction frigs will be able to scram it and kill it if you don't have the massive booster alt advantage on them.

Use a Claymore or an astarte, loki took a hit to its boost effectiveness during the T3 rebalancing a while back

I can actually almost mimic these stats on EFT but to be practical in game? Not a chance for that cost vs risk

You ever notice how Crows are ******* everywhere but nobody flies Raptors?

Stop whining and bring boosters to help your ceptors as well!!


Wtf people always want to not even have to WORK for something.

Nothing the hookbill can't do if all you do is buy a faction scram. P.S. you try that on a dd pilot worth his salt and he is going to ruin that garmurs day.

Links are the problem. CCP loves links (extra subscription money) over balance, thus there will never be balance in Eve.

Weren't you whining loudly about having to fit a scram in the MMJD thread......irony much?

Stop whining and bring boosters to help your ceptors as well!!


Wtf people always want to not even have to WORK for something.

Everything CCP has said about links has been a straight forward assertion that they're going to be nerfed as soon as the technical issues are resolved.

Unfortunately they have said it would be a miracle if the problem was solved.

All these nuanced discussions of ship balance always boil down to this:

If you do not have a link alt you will not be able to compete in this game.


The problem will come when ccp realizes that although there are 30,000 characters logged in there are only 12,000 actual people playing the game. Maybe it will be at that point that they realize not many people want to play games where you are required to log in multiple characters at once. Whether they really try to solve this technical problem at that point I can't say.

Unfortunately they have said it would be a miracle if the problem was solved.

Hey guys, I used Max Links + HG Snakes with +6% + Strong drug + Deadspace mods.

My ship is OP, I don't understand.

And please buff drugs! Drugs should be the poor mans way to fight HG implanted people.