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Iris Sagitta Blue-Fire 0	Posted - 2014.12.17 02:32:27 - [121] - Quote Not sure how much that 400mm plate is helping you but I'm not sure there is anything better to put there since you really need the buffer. Also hammerhead 1's. I also question whether a single armor rep can tank enough with only 2 resist mods one of which being a rig...
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2014.12.23 10:26:13 - [122] - Quote Khun Maa wrote: Whats wrong with this C3 Legion fit? I took it to a C2 to get a feel for it and the tank was more than enough of course but it seemed to take a while to kill the battleships. Can I drop a tank mod somewhere and add DPS for C3's or is this about the best I can do? http://i.imgur.com/xx0zBpG.png Against Battleships use Conflag, not INMF! Maybe you have done that, but your fitting Shows INMF. But even than. Sleeper Battleships are tough. They have quite high resists and lot of buffer. They take longer than the usual K-Space NPC Battleship. Don't worry. For C3 you can not do much more, except pimping it or use another ship. But you can have a similar Legion with 150M less pimp, more tank, but same dps stats. Just search the forums for Double-MAR2 Fittings. Tuketh Sagus wrote: Just created this fit, what do you think? Its supposed to be for c2 and maybe 3 anomalies. [sleepix, Brutix] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II 400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M Drone Link Augmentor II Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Hammerhead I x5 Will defenitely die in C3 and will have big problems in C2s. Why mix Buffer with Rep? Not needed. 125dps Tank is far away from enough, even for C2 and probably with this ship for C1 ... Obviously you want to kite. No Prop-Mod. Sleepers are fast, even Battleships and close the distance sooner or later, which will force you to warp in and off repeatedly. Your drones will die, because even if you can kite, Hammerheads are too slow to get back to Drone bay from Kiting-Distances as soon as they get aggro. Not enough Dronebay to replace them and even more important no space left for "Small Drones", which you would need against Close-range-kinting Sleeper Frigs.
LLeugh Probe Patrol 3	Posted - 2014.12.26 23:02:36 - [123] - Quote they cranked up those sleepers i sure those sleepers are smarter than many players
Tuketh Sagus Strategic Exploration and Development Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.12.27 10:05:05 - [124] - Quote Somebody recommended me this, I guess its good. Zand Vor wrote: I changed your fit a bit, simply because I knew the tank was so light you would have a serious hard time in a C2. My numbers show 194 eHP/sec, with all resists 60%+. Cap stable and actually you get some neut protection with the Large battery. You even have a modest 27k ehp buffer on top of it. Don't use crap ammo. Spend the money on Navy or Tech 2. This is 700+ dps including drones. [Brutix, Brutix Test] Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Reactor Control Unit II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Capacitor Battery II 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Salvager I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Nanobot Accelerator II Hobgoblin II x5
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2014.12.29 15:03:49 - [125] - Quote Tuketh Sagus wrote: [Brutix, Brutix Test] Did you tried that one already? Would assume, that tracking is too bad and applied damage is quite low maybe?
Tuketh Sagus Strategic Exploration and Development Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance 1	Posted - 2014.12.29 15:12:30 - [126] - Quote HoruSeth wrote: Tuketh Sagus wrote: [Brutix, Brutix Test] Did you tried that one already? Would assume, that tracking is too bad and applied damage is quite low maybe? No, im making an wh alt.... can anyone fix it then?
minuseb CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 5	Posted - 2014.12.31 10:48:20 - [127] - Quote Tuketh Sagus wrote: HoruSeth wrote: Tuketh Sagus wrote: [Brutix, Brutix Test] Did you tried that one already? Would assume, that tracking is too bad and applied damage is quite low maybe? No, im making an wh alt.... can anyone fix it then? i dont think the battery is worth enough to be forced to loose a low slot for it a cap recharge need only 1 med slot something like this ? [Brutix, cheap] Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Salvager I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I cap stable (without salvager) changing all rigs to t2 (lots if isk) gives just ~10% better tank DC gives some nice buffer in case you make mistakes and ~15% better tank or could be changed to a 3rd MFS for ~13% more dmg or to a TE for a little more range/tracking for railguns or since cap stability is not really needed you could change one CR to a tracking computer/tracking script for a lot better tracking you still have cap for ~5 minutes which should be enough probably :)
Tuketh Sagus Strategic Exploration and Development Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance 1	Posted - 2015.01.01 03:03:48 - [128] - Quote Ok thanks, what sites can I do with it and how long do you t hink they will take with averarge skills?
minuseb CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 5	Posted - 2015.01.04 10:29:18 - [129] - Quote i havent used it but should be ok for cosmic anomalies from class 1 wh you get some info here about them http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass1 put the fit in eft with your skills to check your tank and damage if you got a friend to join you either with damage or with salvaging it would be a lot easier not sure how much time you would need, just try it or if you got the time and dont want to risk the ship you could try it on test server
Garr Khan Future Methods 15	Posted - 2015.01.12 23:02:48 - [130] - Quote I tried out C2 sites in this confessor, it worked pretty well; about as fast as a t2-fit BC. You can swap a Heat Sink for an ANP for more tank.

Lord Buckwild Buckwild's Children 0	Posted - 2015.01.15 19:47:15 - [131] - Quote I didn't see this on previous pages, but does anyone have fittings for a class 2 worthy Harbinger or any other amarr ship standard/advanved BC or less? Assume skills for any ship except T3. I am trying to figure out the cheapest fit/ship to take on C2 sites solo. Thanks in advance.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2015.01.16 10:45:38 - [132] - Quote Do you mean Advanced Cruiser maybe? If so a Zealot can do this Job quite well. can be a Little tough in one of the data or relic sites because of Neuting, but for the rest should go w/o bigger Problems if you have the skills. Edit: Ah sorry. Saw you are looking for the cheapest ship. In that case I think a Harbinger with Heavy Pulse Laser, Dual MAR2, 2-3 Heat Sinks, 1-2EANMs can do the Job. AB+Web + Tracking/Cap in the Medslots depending on your skills. Drones I would use Mediums for more damage when it Comes to BS / Cruiser.
Lord Buckwild Buckwild's Children 1	Posted - 2015.01.17 02:36:13 - [133] - Quote Thanks for the reply. Why an ab over a mwd?
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2015.01.19 09:48:20 - [134] - Quote maybe just personal preference, as on the Drake I use MWD for example. But for this fit I would assume it slightly better due to: - Cap (in some sites sleeper neut, in one hacking site a little more than in all the others) - A Little Speed tank - Fitting ressources If you can squeeze in a MWD you can do that as well. It should work. Guess it's more module management and in a wh I use as many time as possible to check DS, not the modules. In Addition this Harbinger relies more on cap, than my Drake and as soon as you get to know the anoms you know where the next spawn will come and which sleeper you kite and which not, so you can Manager your targets accordingly. Except for the drake I use ABs on all my other fittings as well.
Lord Buckwild Buckwild's Children 1	Posted - 2015.01.19 20:35:48 - [135] - Quote This is off-topic but since I am already posting here, what is the best way to directional scan? Just spam it as you are revolving around an NPC shooting it down?
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2015.01.20 11:41:19 - [136] - Quote Sorry I typed it manually. Made one row of Pulse Lasers too much :) Nevertheless 772dps with Conflag and Drones is correct, like all other stats as well. @DS: I know there are ways to Support that by using macros, but I never tried to find out wether they are allowed or not. I tend to play a game Vanilla Style! Nothing changed. Solo for me is solo as well. That's why I press D-Scan whenever I can and not bothering to use macros or bots or anything else like that.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2015.01.22 11:30:42 - [137] - Quote For C2 [Gila, sleeper ] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 10MN Afterburner II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Small Nosferatu II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II 'Augmented' Hammerhead x2 Infiltrator II x2 Valkyrie II x2 Vespa EC-600 x2 33k EHP 164dps passive tank 666m/s 996dps I had one T2 rigged Gila left from the time before they have been patched by CCP. Don't know what to do with it, so took into the wormhole to try. This one is so easy and fast to solo all C2 sites! Did not found a ship at the same price tag which is as fast or faster than this Gila in C2. For sure will work in C1 as well, but with the drones guess it's more designed for C2. Use both Target painters and your drones never get aggro! Works better than my standard T2 Tengu before. You can use RLML as well if you prefer that. I did not recognise a difference in completion times.
Winter Archipelago Furtherance. 340	Posted - 2015.01.23 04:10:59 - [138] - Quote I've been thinking of giving this a whirl as a solo ship in C1's and C2's, but looking at the data on the first page, I suspect that it isn't anywhere close to being feasible (only just over 200 EHP / sec passive shield, for instance). Eagle, "Solo C1, C2 Test" wrote: Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Javelin M x5000 Spike M x5000 Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x5000 ~500 DPS with CN Antimatter, range of 40km / 15km Javelin would probably never be used as it adds a meager 7 DPS while halving the range. Spike kicks it out to 146km optimal with 300 DPS. 64k EHP (53k from shields), 250 passive regen. All shield resists are 75%+ 600 m / s with prop on, 240 off. It needs a PG implant, but that isn't too difficult (1% at max skills, 2% at high skills). It can reach much higher passive shield regen by switching out the MagStabs for Shield Power Relays, pumping the passive regen to just over 500 EHP / sec, but it drops down to only 8 minutes of cap. Tossing in a 5% controlled bursts implant pushes it up to 9 minutes. Any considerations on this? Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Mods, Ships, and Dolls.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2015.01.23 08:22:16 - [139] - Quote 200 passive tank on a cruiser-sized ship is enough for all c1 and c2 sites as long as you are not webbed! No need to gimp the low dps anymore. I don't know about the tracking, but my assumption is, that combined with "just" 500dps the tracking will be bad and therefore killspeed unsatisfying.
Winter Archipelago Furtherance. 340	Posted - 2015.01.23 17:09:16 - [140] - Quote HoruSeth wrote: 200 passive tank on a cruiser-sized ship is enough for all c1 and c2 sites as long as you are not webbed! No need to gimp the low dps anymore. I don't know about the tracking, but my assumption is, that combined with "just" 500dps the tracking will be bad and therefore killspeed unsatisfying. I had checked the tracking against some highsec anoms, and while not quite comparable to wormhole anoms, the tracking wasn't terrible. I'll probably go back to the drawing board, though, and see if I can't get something with better DPS. Thank you for the help! Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Mods, Ships, and Dolls.

Aiyshimin Shiva Furnace 371	Posted - 2015.01.24 14:09:19 - [141] - Quote Winter Archipelago wrote: HoruSeth wrote: 200 passive tank on a cruiser-sized ship is enough for all c1 and c2 sites as long as you are not webbed! No need to gimp the low dps anymore. I don't know about the tracking, but my assumption is, that combined with "just" 500dps the tracking will be bad and therefore killspeed unsatisfying. I had checked the tracking against some highsec anoms, and while not quite comparable to wormhole anoms, the tracking wasn't terrible. I'll probably go back to the drawing board, though, and see if I can't get something with better DPS. Thank you for the help! What she means is that your dps is just fine, but consider the tracking. Also, tracking is the reason to use Javelin, not dps. However even with that, you'll have a hard time tracking orbiting frigates.
Janeway84 Def Squadron Pride Before Fall 136	Posted - 2015.01.24 17:06:19 - [142] - Quote Winter Archipelago wrote: I've been thinking of giving this a whirl as a solo ship in C1's and C2's, but looking at the data on the first page, I suspect that it isn't anywhere close to being feasible (only just over 200 EHP / sec passive shield, for instance). Eagle, "Solo C1, C2 Test" wrote: Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Javelin M x5000 Spike M x5000 Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x5000 ~500 DPS with CN Antimatter, range of 40km / 15km Javelin would probably never be used as it adds a meager 7 DPS while halving the range. Spike kicks it out to 146km optimal with 300 DPS. 64k EHP (53k from shields), 250 passive regen. All shield resists are 75%+ 600 m / s with prop on, 240 off. It needs a PG implant, but that isn't too difficult (1% at max skills, 2% at high skills). It can reach much higher passive shield regen by switching out the MagStabs for Shield Power Relays, pumping the passive regen to just over 500 EHP / sec, but it drops down to only 8 minutes of cap. Tossing in a 5% controlled bursts implant pushes it up to 9 minutes. Any considerations on this? Needs tracking computer or web
Susan Rhodan Birds of Steel Kraftwerk. 0	Posted - 2015.01.27 13:54:48 - [143] - Quote Aquila Sagitta wrote: [reserved for c5/c6] Escalation Guide so.. is this cap - escalation - guide up to date or is it outdated?
Orange Aideron Blue-Fire 56	Posted - 2015.01.28 01:02:41 - [144] - Quote Susan Rhodan wrote: ... so.. is this cap - escalation - guide up to date or is it outdated? It's still pretty good. IMO you can change it around a bit with practice.
Lord Buckwild Buckwild's Children 1	Posted - 2015.02.21 17:26:38 - [145] - Quote So I've been using the C2 Harbi noted above with good results as well as a respectively similar fit for my C3 Abaddon that does well (get those watchman asap!) with hacking C3 sleeper sites (I don't dare try anoms for fear of ganks). At this point, I am looking for a combat/scan/hack ship for C3s. I am getting tired of scanning down, switching to an attack ship then switching back to a hacker. I have not seen the stratios mentioned in the OPs page and wonder where it fits in? I have great amarr/drone skills, but will need to train up gallente skills. Before doing so, does anyone have a C3 stratios fit? I don't mind using a mobile depot if needed to switch out hacking/probe modules if needed. Thanks ahead of time!
Aquila Sagitta Blue-Fire 571	Posted - 2015.02.21 17:36:52 - [146] - Quote You could also use a strategic cruiser to scan/hack/complete sites Blue-Fire Best Fire
Lord Buckwild Buckwild's Children 1	Posted - 2015.02.21 17:53:40 - [147] - Quote People have written above that T3 cruisers takes a long time to do C3 sites.
HoruSeth Republic University Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2015.02.24 10:02:26 - [148] - Quote Rattlesnake could do the job quite well I think if you have the skills for hacking / scanning @ ALL V. Nestor might be an option as well and if you are wiling to accept the price tag. Fit it for Sniper. PS: It depends on the point of view. If you look at the legion from a Paladin or Carrier doing C3s, yes the legion / Tengu might be slow, but they are OK killspeed wise if you use a pure combat fit. But at the end it might be more effective to do the combat part in a combat ship. Bookmark the sites and return later with hacking and salvaging ship.
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 2108	Posted - 2015.02.27 04:47:20 - [149] - Quote SVIPULSAR C4 sites in Svipuls. Prolapse. Taking fights since 2014. Sudden Buggery. Got duumb? Hola, Batmanuel! http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Odin Skydiver Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 2	Posted - 2015.03.03 21:05:47 - [150] - Quote Ghetto Golem update [Raven, Frontier Barrack] Damage Control II Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Heavy Capacitor Booster II Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Large EMP Smartbomb II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I



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