It would be nice even if the initial redistribution is just temporary. The systems with terrible sec status and thus not worth putting military upgrades in need something to make them actually worth holding and populating.

i hope not, we want high-sec ice to stay there forever

Quite right, because at least it gives the Goons something to do and forces miners to be aware rather than AFK mining.

You people are ******* dense.



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yeah but moving it to null does the exact same thing.


Anybody remember this dev blog?

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946


ole source of ice and high-end minerals
For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting (at least some of the) ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game. This ensures that nullsec mining retains a unique value proposition, and guarantees that mining time for these types is priced according the risk and effort involved in nullsec extraction.

It was never about moving all Ice out of hi-sec, only about leaving only the lowest value ice in hi-sec.

Moving ICE to null allows easier botting. Mining in H sec is way more risky than mining in Null.

A correctly set up ICE mining operation in any Null sec system allows 100% risk free ICE mining.

The only way to stop this is an AFK cloaker in system.. but you still will not get kills, just prevent them from mining.

You guys gave heavy impressions during the summer that this expansion was going to have massive redistribution. But, on the crucible page, there wasn't anything about it and you've been mum on the topic. Any change to the plan?

It would be nice even if the initial redistribution is just temporary. The systems with terrible sec status and thus not worth putting military upgrades in need something to make them actually worth holding and populating.

I was never intended to move to null only.

The only thing they thought about was changing the belts to be exhaustible.

Moving ICE to null allows easier botting. Mining in H sec is way more risky than mining in Null.

A correctly set up ICE mining operation in any Null sec system allows 100% risk free ICE mining.

The only way to stop this is an AFK cloaker in system.. but you still will not get kills, just prevent them from mining.

Quite right, because at least it gives the Goons something to do and forces miners to be aware rather than AFK mining.

I doubt CCP would move all Ice to null, unless they also put ice in wormhole exploration sites. WHs are very dependent on ice products being widley available all over high sec. If ice were only in null, then ice would likely end up with much fewer distribution points on the markets, the major trade hubs.

Not only is that not good for the WH life style, it reduces the market dynamics of the game, reduces game play options, makes Eve more bland. Personaly I am too lazy to bother with it, but I know a number of people that ship ice products to regions far and wide. They can make a profit doing this because ice products are all over the place, there is enough varinace in distribution and potential transaction cost to make it worth while.

If the sources were only in null, then the majority of the transaction cost would be consumed in getting it to the major trade hubs and there would be little left for the high sec transportation trade players - their incentive to redistribute would be much reduced.

To your point, I'd like to point out that people would still ship ice they'd just be at the major trade hubs and far more expensive. As is, most people who use isotopes, heavy water, and sodium chlorides already buy from the major trade hubs in bulk and ship it tot heir home, whether that be 1 jump from highsec, or deep in sov territory.

It's not as simple as you think. High sec ice miners won't go to null or even low to mine ice... if that's what they wanted to do they'd already be there. As such, the market would dry up considerably, making it prohibitively expensive to maintain a pos. Smaller high sec and wormhole corps wouldn't be able to afford their pos anymore, and as a restult all that research being done, all that T3 production, would grind to a halt causing secondary market effects, like Tengus skyrocketing in price. On top of the incoming PI nerfs (PCOs and the impending spike in PI products) and pos fuel changes there would be too much chaos for the markets to properly absorb.

It would, simply put, break Eve.

Well yes but you're also forgetting that it'd help smaller alliances break into null. I mean imagine that oxygen isotopes, for example, reached 5,000 ipu.An erebus need 1,000 isotopes to make 1 jump without skills. 750 to make it with max fuel skills. So it'd, for example, cost 37.5 million isk to move the titan once. Which means alliances aren't going to deploy 33 titans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZDME4zZdMQ&feature=related) into an engagement over a -0.3 systems without good moon stuff. As it is now, big alliances will go over to a 1 system corp/alliance just because they can (Example TEST on Chirbba).
As CCP Soundwave said, Ice is like oil. And alliances would have to consider the systems they want to deploy caps/super caps over more.

As for highsec research, frankly I think highsec should be such a ***** to live in. If they want to research a BP, they have to use the station queues or they have to move to low sec. Also, I'd like to point out the fact that Eve existed as a game long before there were jump drives.

No it wouldn't. Smaller alliances would still be targets... and the ice fields would tell everyone where those juicy, carebear targets are. How many supercap hotdrops on the macks would it take, do you think, before they say "screw this" and head back to high? People aren't there for a reason, and that reason isn't the lack of things to do to make isk.

Your opinion, by the way, on high sec is irrelevant when you consider the numbers of paying subscribers in high sec that disagree with you. You break high sec, you break Eve, and people leave. This is bad for the game as a whole.

They should put ice in W-space with outposts and moon goo. Then we can forget about null sec completely, big waste of space, good dumping ground for some types of players.

nah it more to do with the fact that in 0.0 you have intel channels to warn you if goons are coming... in high sec its alot harder to spot goons coming because you have to constantly scroll up n down through the list of 100+ mining bots in the local list to see if a goon is somewhere in there.

let me let you in on a secret

is there blue ice on your overview?

then the goons are coming

presto problem solved